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I amy give the campaign a try if reviews say it’s decent.

Not an online multiplayer fan so won’t be touching that.

@cragis0001 the article hasn’t been updated, but the guy who tweeted this is rolling back his comments and other ‘insiders’ are saying their isn’t a deal.

So yeah probably not one on this occasion

@Jenkinss Square isn’t a first party studio. So that’s why they get less criticism. Bethesda/obsidian/santa Monica or whoever are.

New space marine 2 is a 3rd party game. That has a 60 option. What’s wrong with giving consumers a choice? If people want to play at 60 with reduced quality then give them the option - as most are aware what they are sacrificing

@Fiendish-Beaver but if it had nothing to do with getting it running on Series consoles. Why haven’t Microsoft come out and said that the statement was a lie?

Surely MS would come out and say something on it. Because it is damaging if it is untrue.

As I’ve said I wouldn’t put it past So y to have made a deal, but when Nvidea also have one plus everything else around it. For me it doesn’t add up.

@kelomaniack it wasn’t a last minute deal. It was announced months before release that it wouldn’t be on Xbox.

IGN have made articles about Game Science. Negative ones.

Sure it may be Sony but everything points elsewhere currently.

@kelomaniack Callisto protocol had TV adverts in the UK, was heavily marketed. Stellar blade had a lot of marketing also.

@themightyant @kelomaniack the rumours swirling (even from game science) is the game is not optimised for Series console.

Yet if this wasn’t the case, why would MS let this blatant lie run? It’s harming them and their consoles.

@Sol4ris nobody would be shocked.

I wouldn’t have been shocked had Sony said they had exclusivity. It’s something Sony is well known for. Something Sony admits when they do.

But would you say this ‘deal’ is like every other Sony exclusivity deal?

And imo it would be probably slightly better for Xbox it being Sony that have paid rather than it being issues with the S.

If it’s true (and I don’t believe it is) it has to be one of the worst ever signed exclusivity deals in history.

0 marketing to say console exclusive.

0 showing of it on a ps5

Everything prior to release was all about Nvidea including them giving the game away when making certain purchases.

And the fact most sales have turned out in China and on PC makes the ‘deal’ even worse.

Also wasn’t it reported that Game science said they hadn’t passed Xbox scrutiny of the game back in June (maybe a different game) - apologies it was. Rumour.

https://www.purexbox.com/news/2024/08/rumour-black-myth-wukong-memory-leak-has-caused-xbox-series-xs-delay

Oh and then the rumour just happens to leak on the same day Obsidian say they are still figuring out avowed on the S.

(I also believe far more people will believe this rumour because it’s anti Sony even though we are constantly told not to believe these ‘insiders’)

@Jenkinss sure the game is a steaming pile. No arguments there.

But

It does have a 60fps version. So yeah other developers do know that some gamers want 60.

@Fiendish-Beaver sorry I didn’t mean you. I meant in general the people who post here most likely have the good tvs who want the options and quite rightly be disappointed when they don’t get the options.

I get your point about Elden ring (personally I don’t notice too much between 30/60 so not a deal breaker) but this is also a first party release. Yet again that can’t seem to have a 60fps option available at launch. So why can’t first party games hit it?

@Fiendish-Beaver I’d wager that if you are posting on PX you probably have a decent (or at least relative recent) TV or Monitor, compared to the masses who probably do notice far less or simply don’t care.

@Fiendish-Beaver was totally different on older TV’s however. That’s the issue that all the people who say ‘oh nooooooo only 30fps how will I cope’ seem to forget.

There are people that are more susceptible to noticing it with newer TV’s (that’s not to say some don’t over dramatise it or jump on the band wagon)

I know it was delayed due to a ‘packed’ release schedule. But would have thought it would be running on Series S well at this stage.

Sounds like they gave a bit of a lame excuse for the original delay

@ExtremeGamer personally I don’t believe there is the willingness from either MS or Capcom to do the investment.

Sure a handful of people on a gaming site might be interested but it’s not like it’s a massive seller on other platforms.

If there was good money to be made, they would be working on it.

@BlueSheepz you do realise that NIS etc will have sales data of all the games you listed and would know if it’s worthwhile going forward right?

They try some, see how they sell then decide if it’s worth it for future games.

Why is it a shame it’s not coming to gamepass?

A game should be able to stand (and bought) on its own merit. Not hoped it’s included on a sub service for people to try it.

@Rog-X correct Sifi. But what’s that got to do with it not being on Xbox?

FYI eurogamer gave it 2* or 4/10 not 2.5.

They are often becoming the outlier on bigger games however.

Huh, another 3rd party that can do 60fps for those that want it.

Strange that

@BAMozzy ah yes. The free GPU that is £180 per year? To get the day 1 stuff. Always peddling that nonsense.

How is Indy/stalker/doom going to sell subs/hardware when anyone who owns a ps5 (and not an Xbox) doesn’t now need to sub/buy into Xbox to play these games? The math doesn’t add up - especially as all the available figures show Series consoles plummeting fast, growth in subscription is stagnant.

@NEStalgia didn’t returnal release with 60fps?

Didn’t SM2 have a pretty good 60fps?

I believe Astro bot is targeting 60 also?

Just as proof they can do it and give the option. And by various studios.

It doesn’t bother me tbh.

But im always of the opinion that there should be the choice. Because of modern tvs etc.

And as mentioned Phil/Greenburg have quoted about things releasing at 60fps.

If other companies can give the option then why can’t MS on their own platform?at release? Especially when they seem to be able to add it at a later date, starfield for instance.

@eduscxbox there was plenty of discourse around ff16 and continued to be so since the PC release.

Switch does get a pass because it’s 7 years old, switch2 probably won’t get the same grace.

@Nexozi personally I’m fine with 30. But it’s because of newer tv’s causes people more issues and more noticeable

It’s not a deal breaker for me so assuming it runs well I’ll be playing.

But there should be options for those that want them. It’s a first party title, it should be able to be optimised well etc.

@Weebleman unfortunately ‘gamers’ are largely fools and easily parted with their money.

Look how many preorder digital games. Yet we have proof after proof that games release needing a patch or two.

Many obviously buy this stuff or else it wouldn’t be available.

Personally I’ll wait for reviews, see the technical state and then potentially play day 4 or wait for a patch or two.

@OldGamer999 sadly it won’t be. I think that the game is going to be fable that is finally that big hit.

Msfs will also be very good but obviously that is a niche game.

Happy that it’s starting to take shape nicely as originally it did look rough and a little jank.

@Weebleman you lose the game afaik. Because you aren’t actually buying the full game.

At this point you may as well just put since we announced day 1 games, our subscription hasn’t increased as we expected, so we are going to make money elsewhere.

It’s all about money. No other reason. If Xbox had the Sony/nintendo user base there would be no discussion about things on other platforms.

Sony again have no reason to put it on Xbox. Because Sony would have to specifically deal with the series S. they don’t have that issue on their own console.

They haven’t even chosen to release concord on Xbox and my god will that need the players.

It just shows that if you release a good game, people are willing to pay for it. Even if it’s been out a while.

@OldGamer999 it’s because of EA college football.

Was there a price on the controller?

£550 is brave even with the bigger storage.

@BacklogBrad and don’t be so naive that once some games have gone, the rest won’t follow. In Feb Phil said Indiana jones wasn’t going to ps5, by August it is.

Fanboys said no games will come, rumours are a lie, they then said it’s only 4 old games no big ones will, now doom and Indy are announced it’s ’they won’t let any Xbox franchises like halo go’. Yet slowly they are being disproved.

A trajectory has started and we can all see where it’s going.

The incentive to own an Xbox is dropping daily. It’s also backed up by figures. Sales are tumbling. It’s not hyperbole it’s not railing on MS it is what is happening.

It’s not harming MS bottom line at all. They get more money doing this, it’s 100% understandable. They can do away with expensive hardware R&D, losing money on each console etc. but it harms us enthusiasts. Sony being the only manufacturer is not good.

Sure there’s Play anywhere but it’s currently just not as good to do.

@demian for argument sake.

Series X (I won’t use an S which is a good console but because comparisons should be like for like) is £480 GPU is £15 a month (I also won’t use rewards/3rd party sellers because it’s too variable) so £180 per year. You would assume most people stay subbed to GPU pretty much yearly.

So so far this generation it’s £480. + £600 for GPU (I’ve lowered the figure because it’s not been £15 a month yet) so £1080.

If I already have a ps5 I could buy 18 Xbox first party games for the cost of buying a second console and GPU. That’s without waiting for a discount.

Yes GPU offers more than just first party but over the course of a generation most games end up on GP and Plus. And obviously to savvy customers there are 3rd party sites etc, but this is slowly vanishing in value.

I’ve said it elsewhere but I think Microsoft/xbox will do a rebranding at the end of this cycle.

I think it will just become Microsoft gaming and do away with the Xbox term.

I can understand why they are doing it. Because money. It’s the one and only answer.

It’s just (as always) a mess. Consumers don’t know where they stand. Fans don’t know what’s happening. So much rumour. So much negative press.

I just wonder how a multi trillion dollar company can operate so hap hazard.

@BAMozzy always there to defend MS eh?

First it was no games to ps5, then it was ‘old’ games now it’s upcoming titles.

Not to mention this was a title MS specifically paid for exclusivity to keep off PS.

@cragis0001 but with MS prioritising GP/play anywhere. What audience would Sony actually have by releasing on Xbox?

By the time you take several million off the total, for those who own multiple consoles or a PC. Take a huge chunk more from people who wouldn’t want the game. Those who wait for a sale or only have Xbox for GP.

What’s left? Is it financially worth it? Hell they aren’t even doing it with w**k games like Concord.

Plus then Sony would HAVE to make it work on a series S which is an issue they don’t have with PS. It’s a lot trickier for Sony to release on Xbox than the other way round.

@cburg but doesn’t that also mean they will get the future games too?

While currently us GPU subscribers are being slowly boiled like a frog?

I think it will be an 80-85 range game. I’m
Not an Indy fan but if it rivals uncharted and releases in a good state I’ll be playing it.

E and barely.

Wilds saved it. Way too much mobile/f2p live device stuff

@theduckofdeath if it was Sony, they would be screaming it from the rooftops. Especially as they are working more on Chinese development etc.

For them to buy exclusivity and then do absolutely nothing with it - including no ps5 gameplay in the lead up - just makes 0 sense. Logically or financially.

@Rog-X ahhh Sifi changed account names.

@BacklogBrad yes sadly day 1 on GP is not a thing. Even on the highest tier.

I really hope this holds up better on big battles on the S, AoE2 really struggled.

Probably give atlas fallen a try. Looked a janky 6/10

Giving this game that has no release date a lot of coverage.

Feels like you are just teasing Xbox only players at this point!

It’s going to have rumours attached to every first party game released going forward.

For me this is a strange one, because didn’t Xbox pay to keep it off ps5? But with Disney struggling and Xbox not doing fantastic currently, maybe a new deal was struck?

I fully get why MS don’t want the mod used. It’s their IP.

But why not stop it months ago? Why wait till the day before release?

Cynic in me says it was to get the boost in sales

@tslog I guess because it’s not a new release, most people talked about it years ago?

I never played the original only this version when it was on PsPlus ages ago.