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@Darylb88 for me I think they should release at midnight in the US, would mean morning in Europe and evening in Asia.

Im looking forward to jumping in. Shame I have to wait till 6pm that’s annoying.

@Weebleman been saying it for ages that there will be a GP with just the first party stuff in Sony/nintendo.

Sony/Nintendo would still get their cut. MS can still offer an ultimate version on their own platform

@fatpunkslim you do realise that during MS shows they often stopped any mention of it coming to Sony/Nintendo for upto 48hrs after showing the trailer.

Both companies can do ***** things. Both do timed exclusivity. And it’s fine to admit that. You don’t have to defend every decision.

@fatpunkslim it’s most likely because this strategy has only just been decided upon (most likely after seeing how well the original 4 games sold).

MS can’t just magically make the games appear day 1, that were already announced/working on. it will probably start to change going forward with future releases, when the showcases start announcing next years games etc.

They’ve already also decided that going forward MS games will show their branding.

@Ricky-Spanish count yourself lucky it’s only here on Monday and the staff have a day off! It’s been everywhere else all weekend!

@SMJ so if a game is higher on PS it’s because of the Xbox tax …. But if it’s higher on Xbox all is as it should be?

@Weebleman yet none of them ever complain when ‘nobody’ reviewers give everything 10s regardless.

@Kaloudz avowed was never going to score highly. The devs have admitted it has jank. - reviewers won’t give that top marks - whereas a player is more likely to look past it.

But instead of just accepting 8 is a good score (and Infact right around other obsidian games) people try to make up excuses.

For me this 8 will be better than the 10 of Indy.

@themightyant I always try and go in as blind as possible, just skim reviews if it’s a game I know is for me

yeah I expected around 80-85. Might only be an 80, but for me it will be more enjoyable than Indy that scored (deservedly) high.

I don’t understand why people were expecting higher, the dev openly admitted it had jank etc, it was never going to get huge scores. But obviously it’s the Xbox tax and Sony have paid for these scores!

Not read it in full depth as I don’t want to spoil too much.

But glad it’s turned out well! Look forward to playing it.

@Ilyn yeah did you not know, we all have a meeting beforehand of a release. Decide who’s giving the score and who’s editing the wiki. And it’s decided who is being paid off too.

It’s like their favourite plastic box can’t be criticised - and most of the time it’s ‘adults’ that are defending everything.

Every company can be criticised there’s nothing wrong with that.

80-85. And that’s fine for it. Developer has admitted it has some jank in there, hence why I think it will be good, but flawed.

After things like Indy being goty worthy, the notion of ‘Xbox’ tax (which has always been nonsense) is gone.

I’ll be there day 5 smashing away at it until wilds.

@TheGameThrifter eventually yes, just like stalker 2 has plans, but until that point it is an Xbox console exclusive no?

@DeanyBabyy except this is? It’s only releasing on Xbox so console exclusive

Looking forward to reading the reviews. I’m expecting 8’s, developer has admitted there’s some jank. But as long as it’s released in a good state I’m looking forward to jumping in.

Tide me over till wilds drops

I will be doing eventually, but it’s so big, there’s no point yet, as avowed is dropping soon, then wilds at the end off the month. Bought that ready.

And let’s be fair while you are trying saying less than 30milliom, they are predicting 27-29m which can be quite a big difference you are neglecting to mention.

Let’s hope they are being conservative

No one going to mention the elephant in the room?

The fact EA fc also didn’t do as well as expected… you know that live service football game, loved by millions, filled to the brim with micro transactions and predatory loot boxes?

What’s the excuse for that? The fact it isn’t single player game?

Same as what I posted on PS.

@themightyant they didn’t become a $3trillion behemoth by leaving money on the table.

Putting games elsewhere makes that line go up and shareholders happy.

As you say, they have the figures that show it works for them. So whether it’s good, bad, or bit of both, it’s happening.

@fatpunkslim so are you just ignoring the fact that recently MS have said no red lines on games, 2 announcement in a week of games moving?

Oh and Indy, doom and outer worlds.

It’s all going, no one is believing your argument.

This depends on one thing.

Which makes them the most money.

Does Sony/MS paying for the exclusive give the developers more time to focus one console then move to the next, make a better release and more money. - does it create more hype for a pc/other console release? (Does Sony money cover the ‘expected sales on Xbox for instance?’)

Or does spreading thinner, port for 2/3 at once potentially need more staff during development lead to more overall sales? Would a poor release hurt things more?

Far more to it than what is said here. And they all have the data.

On the plus side, as always he has a 50/50 chance of being right!

Glad it’s reviewed well. Will be a while till I get to it, but at least it will be worth it.

I was always looking forward to this over Indy so yeah looking forward to playing it before wilds comes.

I dunno with it. It’s polished I’ll give it that.

But it’s just a little i dunno, average? I just feel meh with it. A lot of running around early on with little actually going on.

I’ve just started up eternal strands to see how it plays

@Weebleman it’s more ironic that Sony can cancel all their live service *****, and MS go here let us fill that release window for you.

Now we know why Sony have been able to do this. And still get good games.

@Kaloudz mate, you took a break from the site because all you was doing was defending Xbox.

You have come back and are doing the same. You are going to burn yourself out again. Would be a shame to see you leave again. You don’t need to defend MS every move!

Let people be annoyed. Let people feel let down. You don’t have to stand up for MS. It’s their job to communicate better.

They will release it in summer is my guess.

Forza in next couple of months, doom in may then halo.

They won’t port all the games close by, will be a little gap between them. Keep the hype up.

@Isolte im not denying there will be improvements. The issue is it’s not just something on Microsoft’s end. It’s the whole infrastructure of countries/towns and cities.

It’s awesome if you live in a major city with great internet. Now go somewhere else that doesn’t have this and it’s a big difference. Uk doesn’t even have total 5g or gig internet speeds. Some places can only get 3G!

Microsoft can’t fix that.

@Isolte there’s fire stick, Samsung, LG.

It’s out there and there was no mention of it when they did their earning call.

It’s still too early for it to be a big thing. Infrastructure isn’t there yet.

@Isolte remember that those casuals are going to be playing CoD. The lag is noticeable even to people who just play that kind of game.

@Odium I didn’t even claim it on ps+

@fraserG more importantly than this piece of crap… forza on ps this spring…

That sounds more encouraging

@Millionski it will never land on PS - in its current state - Sony wouldn’t have the 3rd party deals on there.

My belief? A ‘mini’ GP will land on ps. It will have all MS first party stuff (which is still plenty) and it will operate like Ubisoft/ea does etc.

@Friendly @Grumblevolcano as it’s YoY it also has to factor in the GP price increase that happened last summer.

Wonder how it would look then.

@Millionski it more depends if they can shift GP users from console to PC or tv/fire stick or whatever.

MS has all the R&D costs, losing money on each console sold (or they were last I knew). If they had gp numbers elsewhere they would drop consoles as it’s just an expense.

But considering something like 80% of gp is on consoles, they will have to take the hit. MS really need to find a way to get PC players onto gp, but I don’t see it happening quickly.

These numbers just reaffirm the multi platform plans - especially after the other article where 64% of December revenue was through PS.

If this is true (I don’t really frequent the site) -
https://insider-gaming.com/xbox-q2-2025-results/

That’s very low GP increase for CoD and Indy.

Well they didn’t drop 75billion to not be top publisher.

Porting elsewhere helps both sides. MS get 70% they weren’t getting, Sony get their 30% cut (or whatever deal is done) that they wouldn’t have if said game wasn’t ported.

MS are massively helping Sony out right now. Giving them access to games where otherwise they would be lean.

So these figures show exactly why MS are going multi platform. It’s always about the line ever going up.

I think Sony will get in bed with Nintendo long before MS.

Sony will already have data from MLB/destiny. They would have to downgrade games to run parity on series S too.

Even the best selling exclusives hit 20% of install base at the best.
So Xbox would be 6million (approx) then take into account people who own multiple consoles or PC and that number drops even further.

We may get there, but as PS console sales hold steady AND they are getting Xbox games their need to port is much less currently

@Isolte most of that is mobile. Throwing money at crap.

Well guess I got to give it a whirl then

They can’t drop it.

It was sold as having parity, and it’s the more popular console (or at worst close to 50%)

They would alienate too many. Next gen it will be different if suspect

@Weebleman most money made/ most active users.

The two most ridiculous things that are argued over.

But that said. Only reason MS are going this way is to make that line go up. They don’t give a crap about us. (Neither do Sony)

@Xbotsarefunny where is the 5% claim.

MS haven’t released any figures. So not sure if it’s even 5%

@TheGameThrifter MS make more money now with ABK incorporated.