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@Cakefish it’s a numbers thing.

They are hitting the limit of GPU subscribers on console (I believe last figures said console made up over 50% of gp users).

So they give more to PC gamers to try and sway them away from steam etc as PC is more than likely a faster growing area for gamepass

The analysis figures just don’t make sense.

3 consoles are currently selling. (Yes one has to be the best, one ends up 3rd) so why would they suddenly drop off a cliff?

We are going/just gone through a financial crisis and Covid yet consoles are still selling well. So what’s happening in the next 3years that’s going to change this? People now have digital libraries built up that they are going to want to access too.

After reading their ‘analysis’ there is nothing of substance in it to explain why they came to this decision either.

@Balaam_ yes there’s a day 1 patch for pro.

Pushsquare article is more in depth announcing other changes too like monsters running away less.

So feedback from beta being acted on

I don’t think Sony would have held Fromsoft games from other platforms (well I’d like to hope they wouldn’t) especially as they did it before with bungee.

I get it. They realised they can make more money by releasing everywhere.

They are now just figuring out whether to release day 1 or with a delay.

I’m not going to quit Xbox after coming back but I’ll potentially not buy the next console. I will just sub to GP over cloud when games release. (Hopefully cloud is in a better state in a couple of years).

Fable perfect dark or gears would be my guess

@Real_game_passion I get it in a way. Right now you need to be multiplatform to access all games.

But if they are coming to PS, you can just focus one console to build your digital library. You no longer have to spread it. Then you can just sub to GP for a month or 2 over a fire stick etc.

I don’t personally trust Jez.

But MS now have data on where and what is making them the most money. (Hence seeing some day 1,some 6month later)

MS didn’t become so big by caring about their consumer, they did it by following the money. And thats their choice.

I don’t think it’s going to be a huge seller on any platform.

But the dev has been upfront and honest about it so good on them.

@Ricky-Spanish do you think the same for sonic, Mario and all those types of games?

The awards it won were well deserved so congratulations!

@Dimey they have the bean counters that will be working out what gives them the most money.

MS didn’t get so massive by caring about their users but by what will make them the most money.

Fair play to them for that.

Good luck to them with the release. If it’s enjoyable like the first one then happy days.

Regarding Sony release, I think they are trying to work out which makes the most money. Day 1 gp/sony or day 1 gp and Sony 6month later

@Millionski I think currently MS are testing which way brings the most money/subs.

Is it better to delay ps5 for 6month to boost GP sales, or is it better to sell ps5 day 1?

Which makes sense and fair thing to try

Just say nothing?

Probably the easiest thing.

@themightyant should have had a few bells dangling off the ring or make the Xbox logo a Xmas tree shape or something

@Kezelpaso it is day 4 release.

(On certain tiers)****

The ‘early access’ version was the finished game and available world wide.

MS/ubisoft/Sony or whoever can try spin it anyway they like. But it’s marketing nonsense.

Whatever is announced in general we will all be disappointed with the show. As we usually are.

It’s been solid.

Few lean months, few good months. Pretty much what you get from any subscription.

Last couple of months have been very good.

Biggest disappointment is how long it is taking to get many of the back catalogue games out from Abk - but they are starting to show.

Devs are doing a great job with the patches.

Deserve all the praise they are getting

Sigh. (Admittedly it was my least ‘wanted’ of the 3)

But I’ll wait a little longer for stalker.

edit Seems more positive reviews elsewhere so hopefully those who bought it enjoy it.

@Medic_alert that’s not an Xbox thing, you will see that with any game that does it.

But the PC specs are very beefy, so where a few days ago I was confident it would be good on series S. now I’m slightly more hesitant.

Still makes no sense that we can’t be told when review embargo are. It’s crazy

You only have to read the comments here that Xbox gamers don’t want the Sony ‘walking sims’ - that is until they get similar on Xbox like hellblade, Indy and DS.

But Sony has a different issue to MS, (with parity) Sony would HAVE to get the games running on the S. and Sony would want it to their standards is this part worth the effort?

I much prefer track racers over say horizon but I struggled with fm when it first came out and I haven’t gone back. I should at some point but then something else just comes along

I’m looking forward to reviews, the PC specs are extremely beefy (seems like RT is on by default) so hoping they are working magic to get it running well on console and my S

@RiverGenie I’m not bothered what game it is, the headline made it sound like there was 7 games being added (not pure Xbox fault) when in reality it’s 1.

I think MS should announce them all separately so no confusion, no questions to be asked. Make it simple.

So it’s actually 1 new game?

6 others moved around subs?

I dislike the way MS announce game pass titles now. They need to split the announcements up.

3 patches in 7 days or so really show that the devs are trying hard. To fix the issues they admitted to.

It’s very impressive, and looking forward to playing it!

@oopsiezz to be fair this month, November was pretty stacked.

Yet to play stalker but I know that’s will be my favourite.

A for this month as it is a strong lineup

Is the review embargo thur/fri anyone know?

I never understand why they can’t announce when reviews go live (not MS most games in general)

You would think companies would want people checking them out!

@themightyant it comes up because at some point it’s financially not stable.

As far as most estimates used to go there was a good chunk lost on hardware for MS. Plus R&D staffing etc if they can get similar sub numbers on other platforms like fire stick then it becomes more likely.

Is that anytime soon? Who knows? MS like to try and be ahead

Amazing that so many people are happy to pay higher prices and not have an option.

Anything that has save anywhere. It really helps for quick gaming sessions.

Bit of football manager always hits the spot.

That’s nice.

But we need a matching wrap. For me it doesn’t fit with the consoles

Im assuming (if it gets announced) it would have to have a pro patch now?

But let’s see

@NostromoXP PJ waited and played some with the day 1 patch. Eurogamer also waited for day 1 patch and didn’t score it much higher.

When do we wait till? A year after release when everything is sorted? 4years to re review cyberpunk now it’s done?

@GeorgeKal xbox bought steam?

@GeorgeKal good job it’s not Xbox exclusive then eh?

@awp69 some reviews did wait, PX and EG among them.

There’s still issues and no one can dispute this, because the devs themselves have acknowledged there are.

@IOI so how do you feel about the guys that have rated it 10/10 or 100? Clearly ignoring the issues that the developers themselves have come out and acknowledged.

Or the fact that Xbox tax is changing to ‘games not on ps5’ which doesn’t account for good ratings for things like age of mythology aoe2 etc. or the fact that hundreds of pc and switch games don’t come to ps5 and do perfectly fine in reviews.

@IOI see. Nonsense. It’s rated lower on PC than Xbox.

Oh and then let’s not mention the fact it isn’t even an Xbox game.

Sorry a game should be good to go day 1. - bar a few minor issues - that’s not just stalker that’s everything.

No other product do we stand for broken/half finished things.

Everything should be taken into account, but when there are issues they rightly should be marked down. And if they aren’t, where is the incentive for a dev to release a quality game.

There is plenty of goodwill for stalker to succeed, people are supporting the devs, willing to wait for updates.

But at the end of the day people also go to work 40hrs a week (or whatever) and choose to spend their disposable income on gaming, so it’s only fair that Consumers get a finished working product. Or else they will spend their money on a different hobby. - or as is happening wait for it to hit a sub.

@Fiendish-Beaver nope no criticism allowed. Even if deserved.

Good luck to the guy.

Hopefully he brings some quality testers with him!

Those shelves of 4 series X look super well stocked.

And the single row of some controllers too!

Jokes aside I’m glad they are stocking everywhere.

@themightyant beat me to it haha!

Quality releases.

Games that deliver and are polished from day 1.

No mess like MSFS.

Please stop the higher ups over promising (ie stalker being goty) just let the games do the talking.

They are struggling to get it running right on good PCs so I think consoles will be waiting

I like this kind of stuff nothing wrong with it at all.

But yeah the amount of careful treading that has to be done on social media is crazy