An Xbox handheld has to be able to play console games (without streaming). If it's "just" a handheld PC then it'll be lost against the rival handheld PCs that are cheaper or more powerful.
Give me a handheld that gives me my full library and I am there, regardless of how well Xbox is doing
Xbox sales have been plummeting every quarter ever since they wanted to by Activision and had to fight all the regulators and their only defense was "we need them to compete, we all ready lost".
Turns out taking a world tour to say your platform sucks isn't great for the platform a d the current "no exclusives" push isn't helping.
I'm sure there will be a next Xbox but I don't see that helping. We need to make sure Third party support stays solid, if that slips we know we're heading to Wii U, Dreamcast, and Vita town.
@sixrings They'd also get less from your purchase of their game on PS as Sony would take their licencing cut and if you buy it digitally they also get the retailers' cut too.
At least to pretend to care about Xbox by staggering the release. You know buy is dinner first lol
Xbox is gonna have to do alot to convince me to buy the next Xbox. Might aswell use that money upgrading my PC. I would save money on GP as I wouldn't need ultimate for day ones and I'll have access to the games Sony ports on PC too.
@UndyingInsurgent95 I doubt they'll do romance, not sure they've had a game with one in since Kotor 2 (and even then I was very minor compared to biowarès Kotor 1)
Yesterday I contacted support about the Horrizon 4 offer. They asked for the order number of the expansion pass, I found it sent it and they said it didn't exist.
Spent an hour telling them I could see it on my orders, gave them the date it was ordered the billing address and last 4 digits of the card that used it, took screen shots of it but nope.
I have to give WB props here, they might have jumped into that live service pool and sank but at least they aren't letting it drown (giving it an offline mode) @shoeses I hope that Multiverses gets a similar treatment. I'd happily pay for a version without the LS stuff.
Considering how much a of a quiet night the game awards are going to be for Xbox, I would assume they'd have a bunch of announcements just to be part of the conversation. I'd annouce the backwards compatibility program is back even if its secretly just the Activision titles they now own.
Getting Sony games on Xbox was always going to need either a Xbox in position of strength (which just isn't happening) or via some sort of very public trade offer.
"PS5 gets Sea of Thieves, Xbox gets Helldivers 2 and we both get more people buying the games and paying the MTXs".
But with Xbox seemingly happy to port everything onto PS there isn't any reason for Sony to engage with that.
@StylesT agreed. Even if the next gen system is real, is good and they boldly declare "exclusives are back" no one is going to believe them knowing Xbox is one poor year from porting everything to PS and probably Switch 2.
If it actually launches on Xbox I'll be delighted but more suprised they managed it. Game made my PC weep.
@parappatherapper to be fair it seems many Unreal games seem to be suffering performance problems too so the alternative universe version of the game probably has new and exciting (read: different) performance issues lol.
@Donutsquad00 in terms of bugs, at launch. I got really lucky and the whole thing played well bo noticible bugs or crashes whilst pretty much everyone else was hitting every bug and crash.
Now with Stalker 2 I'm hitting all the bugs and my friends are not seeing a thing.
When the game isn't freaking out at me, I love it but it is freaking out at me a lot.
I think this might be "balance" after Cyberpunk where I didn't get any noticeable bugs or t-pose in my first play through. Stalker 2 hits every bug it can lol.
@Rangers420 @Ricky-Spanish I bought the upgrade for Gamepass before the game come out, I haven't got a key yet either. I know some who got their keys though.
Maybe we're right at the bottom of the list for "reasons"
1. This push means nothing whilst you can only use an non-console Xbox as an Xbox with the premium Ultimate Sub.
2. Was that supposed to be reassuring?
Concern: addressing the lack of growth in Xbox sales by removing the reasons to buy an Xbox is a death spiral for the consoles, a spiral that threatens the digital libraries we built across three generations of consoles (remember the big deal they made off forward compatibility.)
Spencer: but we can make money.
(Yes, they keep saying they plan on more consoles but they change plan every 6 months.)
@TheEstablishment They'll need to prove that before I spend any more in the Xbox console ecosystem. An Xbox layer on Windows seems doable, we did see someone doing that with X1 not long ago.
I'm looking forward to this, I like what they are doing with the quest design but I do suspect a lot of people are going to roll into this expecting it to hold their hand and bouncing off it.
@Jenkinss Baring some major twist, I'm gonna be PC+Nintendo going forward. No point in investing in my Xbox console Libary anymore.
@pepsilover2008 That's pretty much my fear. We've already gotten a taste of Sony "not needing to compete" with the Pro pricing, and if Xbox as a console keeps fizzingly away it won't be long before they're back to trying to gouge devs and gamers again. We gamers NEED the competition.
@B_Lindz True, though I'd probably go for one of the open handhelds, seems like a lateral move to go from being limited to one library (Xbox) to another (SteamDeck Certified). So if I got the Ally or Go (much more expensive granted) I'd get access to part of my XB library, GP if I want it, my GoG titles, along with all the freebies I've gotten from Prime and Epic, and Steam.
Getting gamepass on other platforms is only possible from a position of strength. A "You need our games, our games are only sold where gamepass is avaliable" sort of thing.
Right now it's the other way, Xbox (seemingly) needs their games on PS/Nintendo/Steam.
@Deljo @Ricky-Spanish yeah. Whilst I like the idea of a system agnostic future, this isn't how you do it. Sony doesn't need to engage in this and let Xbox death spiral itself.
Well we wanted clarity, we got it. Crappy news that I'm sure will do wonders for Xbox hardware numbers.
Won't be buying more games on Xbox, looks like I'll be PC+Switch2 next gen. Will already seen Sony reaction with Pro pricing, so might as well buy a decent PC instead.
I hope they patch the abilty to chose to have the "beard mask" or not. I get that it's supposed to stop clipping but is annoying my character can't show of Tavinter 'stache and wear a hat, or display my fine dwarf beard with a open face helm.
I like the game but the f2p nature bothers me so much I wont play it. Let me pay for the game with a fair roster and then I'll buy a character pass, and maybe even costume DLC.
Right now this game is getting £0.00 off me, give it a paid release and I'd pay £40-70 off me (depending on the included content).
Doesn't seem to have the final mission bug, though it seems the Zealots Overach bug in the notes seems to be "same problem" so maybe it is fixed (probably not)
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Re: These Games Are Coming To Xbox Next Week (December 23-27)
I legit forgot Star Trek Legends existed, now I'm disappointed all over gain
Re: Xbox Exec Appearing At 'Future Of Gaming Handhelds' Panel Next Month
An Xbox handheld has to be able to play console games (without streaming). If it's "just" a handheld PC then it'll be lost against the rival handheld PCs that are cheaper or more powerful.
Give me a handheld that gives me my full library and I am there, regardless of how well Xbox is doing
Re: New Elder Scrolls 'Remake' Announcement Rumour Surfaces Online
@jesse_dylan it did appear on the offical documents but that was dated from before they was bought by MS.
I wouldn't be suprised if it existed at one point but was cancelled.
Re: Xbox Series X|S Console Sales Down Almost 30% In The US Compared To 2023
Xbox sales have been plummeting every quarter ever since they wanted to by Activision and had to fight all the regulators and their only defense was "we need them to compete, we all ready lost".
Turns out taking a world tour to say your platform sucks isn't great for the platform a d the current "no exclusives" push isn't helping.
I'm sure there will be a next Xbox but I don't see that helping. We need to make sure Third party support stays solid, if that slips we know we're heading to Wii U, Dreamcast, and Vita town.
Re: YouTuber Breaks Down Xbox's 'Almost Perfect' New Ad Campaign
For me the advert is dumb because cloud streaming is tied to Gamepass Ultimate.
You convince someone with the campaign and they discover they need the most expensive package to play
Re: Microsoft CEO: 'We Are Redefining What It Means To Be An Xbox Fan'
@sixrings They'd also get less from your purchase of their game on PS as Sony would take their licencing cut and if you buy it digitally they also get the retailers' cut too.
Re: Xbox Reporter Says That Microsoft 'Won't Have Exclusives Going Forward'
It occurs to me that Xbox probably isn't going to be having third party exclusives either, wonder if that's going to benefit Sony or Nintendo more.
Re: Yes, The Outer Worlds 2 Is Another Xbox-Developed Game Heading To PS5
@UndyingInsurgent95 they says it's because they can't give it 100% what it deserves, I suspect its more a "don't want to"
Re: Yes, The Outer Worlds 2 Is Another Xbox-Developed Game Heading To PS5
@Cakefish all I've wanted since they've started what seems to be a hardware death spiral is for my digital library to be safe on PC.
Re: Yes, The Outer Worlds 2 Is Another Xbox-Developed Game Heading To PS5
At least to pretend to care about Xbox by staggering the release. You know buy is dinner first lol
Xbox is gonna have to do alot to convince me to buy the next Xbox. Might aswell use that money upgrading my PC. I would save money on GP as I wouldn't need ultimate for day ones and I'll have access to the games Sony ports on PC too.
@UndyingInsurgent95 I doubt they'll do romance, not sure they've had a game with one in since Kotor 2 (and even then I was very minor compared to biowarès Kotor 1)
Re: CD Projekt RED Officially Unveils 'The Witcher 4' With Lengthy Cinematic
@YeyoFairy I would hope this time management isn't making them target the tail end of a console generation again.
Re: Xbox User Insists Some Owned Games Are Being Hidden From Players' Libraries
@SoulChimera I'm not sure if it's reassuring that so many seem to have the same issue with them but at least isn't not just me.
Re: Xbox User Insists Some Owned Games Are Being Hidden From Players' Libraries
@Altaria_97 nice to know this is some BS they play and it's not just me.
Re: Xbox User Insists Some Owned Games Are Being Hidden From Players' Libraries
@Feffster they suggested I played it via gameshare or on another account. Despite me looking at it in my order page.
Re: Xbox User Insists Some Owned Games Are Being Hidden From Players' Libraries
Yesterday I contacted support about the Horrizon 4 offer. They asked for the order number of the expansion pass, I found it sent it and they said it didn't exist.
Spent an hour telling them I could see it on my orders, gave them the date it was ordered the billing address and last 4 digits of the card that used it, took screen shots of it but nope.
"Doesn't exist" and they refused to do anything.
Re: Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League Offline Mode Arrives Alongside Deep Discount On Xbox
I have to give WB props here, they might have jumped into that live service pool and sank but at least they aren't letting it drown (giving it an offline mode)
@shoeses I hope that Multiverses gets a similar treatment. I'd happily pay for a version without the LS stuff.
Re: Seven Games Will Leave Xbox Game Pass In Early December 2024
@PhileasFragg That was hell. They wanted the order number, I found it sent it to them and apparently, it doesn't exist.
Re: Xbox Might Be Preparing To Release Two First-Party Games In Early 2025
Considering how much a of a quiet night the game awards are going to be for Xbox, I would assume they'd have a bunch of announcements just to be part of the conversation.
I'd annouce the backwards compatibility program is back even if its secretly just the Activision titles they now own.
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Questions Why Sony Would Put PS5 Games On Xbox
Getting Sony games on Xbox was always going to need either a Xbox in position of strength (which just isn't happening) or via some sort of very public trade offer.
"PS5 gets Sea of Thieves, Xbox gets Helldivers 2 and we both get more people buying the games and paying the MTXs".
But with Xbox seemingly happy to port everything onto PS there isn't any reason for Sony to engage with that.
Re: Ubisoft Is Giving Up On XDefiant, Just Over Six Months Since It Launched
It's a shame they couldn't sell this to CoD players who really hate BO6's omnimovement.
I have to assume the free to play shooter Market is "full" now thanks to all the forever games eating up all the customers.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Expecting From Xbox At The Game Awards 2024?
Not really fond of what the Game Awards has morphed into so I wo t be watching.
It would be nice to get an big meaningful Xbox announcement that isn't "hey we're finally getting that big game" again.
Unrelated note: had a real hard time actually getting into this article via the mobile site as it kept loading the playstation advert instead.
Re: Eight Games Will Leave Xbox Game Pass In Early December 2024
Really need to finish The Bunker before it leaves.
Still haven't received my FH4 code.
Re: Rumour: Forza Horizon 5 'Will Arrive' On PS5, Despite A Delay From Xbox
@StylesT agreed. Even if the next gen system is real, is good and they boldly declare "exclusives are back" no one is going to believe them knowing Xbox is one poor year from porting everything to PS and probably Switch 2.
Re: Sniper Elite: Resistance Preview - Rebellion's Rock Solid Shooter Returns To Xbox Game Pass
All I need from this entry is "more Sniper Elite 5 co-op" and that seems to be what it's delivering.
Related, was super bummed that neither the VR Sniper Elite games had co-op but at least the VR Zombie Army will.
Re: Cities: Skylines 2 Dev Struggling To Get Xbox Version Running For Game Pass Release
If it actually launches on Xbox I'll be delighted but more suprised they managed it. Game made my PC weep.
@parappatherapper to be fair it seems many Unreal games seem to be suffering performance problems too so the alternative universe version of the game probably has new and exciting (read: different) performance issues lol.
Re: Poll: What Do You Think Of Stalker 2 On Xbox Game Pass So Far?
@Donutsquad00 in terms of bugs, at launch.
I got really lucky and the whole thing played well bo noticible bugs or crashes whilst pretty much everyone else was hitting every bug and crash.
Now with Stalker 2 I'm hitting all the bugs and my friends are not seeing a thing.
Re: Poll: What Do You Think Of Stalker 2 On Xbox Game Pass So Far?
When the game isn't freaking out at me, I love it but it is freaking out at me a lot.
I think this might be "balance" after Cyberpunk where I didn't get any noticeable bugs or t-pose in my first play through. Stalker 2 hits every bug it can lol.
Re: Xbox Is Making Big Changes To Avatars In January 2025
I get not supporting it anymore but pulling it completely? That feels like more effort than just "keeping the lights on".
Re: Talking Point: What Have You Bought In The Xbox Black Friday Sale So Far?
Lots of stuff I want, some stuff I would have bought, but I'm not comfortable buying Xbox digital anymore.
Re: Xbox Introduces 'Stream Your Own Game' Feature With 50 Titles Supported At Launch
What a weird selection of titles.
Kinda surprised to see WWE on there with all the custom content and all. Guess they store that in the cloud data now.
Re: Xbox's Phil Spencer Knows How Annoying The Forza Horizon 4 Situation Is
@Rangers420 @Ricky-Spanish I bought the upgrade for Gamepass before the game come out, I haven't got a key yet either. I know some who got their keys though.
Maybe we're right at the bottom of the list for "reasons"
Re: Eight Games Will Leave Xbox Game Pass In Late November 2024
Kinda surprised Conan's going feels like it's been there forever.
Re: Phil Spencer Explains Why 'This Is An Xbox' Will Be Beneficial To Console Owners
@CallMeDuraSouka I love the actual series X console and I love playing on it, where ever possible I bought games for the Series X.
With the way Sony is pricing the Pro, I'm might as well go PC.
Re: Phil Spencer Explains Why 'This Is An Xbox' Will Be Beneficial To Console Owners
@JokerBoy322 it's already stopped me buying games on Xbox, it's a gamepass machine now.
I can't justify adding to my Xbox digital library. Hope something changes and I can return to it (My PC really isn't happy about this lol)
Re: Phil Spencer Explains Why 'This Is An Xbox' Will Be Beneficial To Console Owners
1. This push means nothing whilst you can only use an non-console Xbox as an Xbox with the premium Ultimate Sub.
2. Was that supposed to be reassuring?
Concern: addressing the lack of growth in Xbox sales by removing the reasons to buy an Xbox is a death spiral for the consoles, a spiral that threatens the digital libraries we built across three generations of consoles (remember the big deal they made off forward compatibility.)
Spencer: but we can make money.
(Yes, they keep saying they plan on more consoles but they change plan every 6 months.)
Re: Reaction: Like It Or Not, Xbox Has Gone Full Throttle On Multiplatform
@TheEstablishment They'll need to prove that before I spend any more in the Xbox console ecosystem. An Xbox layer on Windows seems doable, we did see someone doing that with X1 not long ago.
Re: 'Atomfall' Officially Launches On Xbox Game Pass In March 2025
I'm looking forward to this, I like what they are doing with the quest design but I do suspect a lot of people are going to roll into this expecting it to hold their hand and bouncing off it.
Re: Reaction: Like It Or Not, Xbox Has Gone Full Throttle On Multiplatform
@Jenkinss Baring some major twist, I'm gonna be PC+Nintendo going forward. No point in investing in my Xbox console Libary anymore.
@pepsilover2008 That's pretty much my fear. We've already gotten a taste of Sony "not needing to compete" with the Pro pricing, and if Xbox as a console keeps fizzingly away it won't be long before they're back to trying to gouge devs and gamers again. We gamers NEED the competition.
Re: Xbox Boss Says Everything Is On The Table When It Comes To PS5 Ports
@B_Lindz True, though I'd probably go for one of the open handhelds, seems like a lateral move to go from being limited to one library (Xbox) to another (SteamDeck Certified). So if I got the Ally or Go (much more expensive granted) I'd get access to part of my XB library, GP if I want it, my GoG titles, along with all the freebies I've gotten from Prime and Epic, and Steam.
Re: Xbox Boss Says Everything Is On The Table When It Comes To PS5 Ports
@Savage_Joe they don't want it.
Getting gamepass on other platforms is only possible from a position of strength. A
"You need our games, our games are only sold where gamepass is avaliable" sort of thing.
Right now it's the other way, Xbox (seemingly) needs their games on PS/Nintendo/Steam.
Re: Despite The ActiBlizz Deal, Xbox Remains 'In The Market' For New Dev Teams
After what happened to Tango I'd say the studios of Asia are not interested in being bought. Deals and partnerships sure, but acquisitions never.
Re: South Of Midnight Game Length & Xbox Tech Specs Revealed
Being able to turn off the animation should appeal to those who was saying it was making them sick.
@themightyant yeah 12 hours is "just right".
Re: Xbox Boss Says Everything Is On The Table When It Comes To PS5 Ports
@Deljo @Ricky-Spanish yeah. Whilst I like the idea of a system agnostic future, this isn't how you do it. Sony doesn't need to engage in this and let Xbox death spiral itself.
Re: Xbox Boss Says Everything Is On The Table When It Comes To PS5 Ports
Well we wanted clarity, we got it. Crappy news that I'm sure will do wonders for Xbox hardware numbers.
Won't be buying more games on Xbox, looks like I'll be PC+Switch2 next gen. Will already seen Sony reaction with Pro pricing, so might as well buy a decent PC instead.
Re: Dragon Age: The Veilguard's First Xbox Update Out Now, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
I hope they patch the abilty to chose to have the "beard mask" or not. I get that it's supposed to stop clipping but is annoying my character can't show of Tavinter 'stache and wear a hat, or display my fine dwarf beard with a open face helm.
Re: PSA: Death Stranding Has A Major Quick Resume Bug On Xbox
@PhileasFragg I think they can or do somethi that forces it, because I'm playing Shadows of Doubt and Quick Resume is very much not a thing.
Re: PSA: Death Stranding Has A Major Quick Resume Bug On Xbox
Oof.
I think witcher 3 had a similar bug on X1 where if you didn't close the game fully before going into standby you couldn't save
Re: Warner Bros CFO Admits MultiVersus Is A Big Underperformer Right Now
Just let me buy the thing.
I like the game but the f2p nature bothers me so much I wont play it. Let me pay for the game with a fair roster and then I'll buy a character pass, and maybe even costume DLC.
Right now this game is getting £0.00 off me, give it a paid release and I'd pay £40-70 off me (depending on the included content).
Re: 2K Provides Updated Launch Windows For Its Upcoming Xbox Lineup
Weirdly, Mafia over GTA.
Not saying GTA6 is going to be "worse" than Mafia, I know GTA6 is going to be great and very impressive.
Just when I look at that list my brain is going "ooo Mafia".
Re: Starfield Update 1.14.74 Revealed, Here Are The Full Xbox Patch Notes
Doesn't seem to have the final mission bug, though it seems the Zealots Overach bug in the notes seems to be "same problem" so maybe it is fixed (probably not)