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Really? It's a decent feature sure but I can't personally think of a game I've played with it and looking through the list there isn't many I would and add to that it's already finished and has no future.

If anything I suspect this only highlights Xbox's issues over the last few years if a handful of last gen or 360 games getting a boost is the best feature of a next gen console

@rockodoodle I think in general gaming hasn't really changed much in about a decade, like you say its diminishing returns visually and it's more about refinement from what we already have

I think just the faster loading in general is my favourite thing about these new consoles, it could become tiresome the last couple of generations but now its hardly noticable

I've played a few hours so far and it's great so far but at the moment it's competing with Sonic Frontiers for my attention and I think I'll finish that first

I suspect as someone who's played a lot of this in VR it will be hugely underwhelming outside of it. If they can make the controls half decent and it's your only means of playing it then definitely give it a try as it's a great game but I won't be playing it this way

@Would_you_kindly no its not capped and games like Ori are 4K on it

@AstraeaV yet here I am 6 hours or so in on PS5 and haven't noticed it running poorly

@SecretAgentCat that's not gonna happen anytime soon, AMD's implementation just isn't very good

Buys £450 gaming console and very expensive TV to take advantage of it but then wants to turn it down to save a few pennies on the electricity 🤔🤔🤔

Absolutely not and the amount of money you'd save is negligible

News: Person who plays video games is excited to play a video game.

That aside it really does look good and I'll be playing it next week and hopefully Xbox can step up their game going forward

A nice idea but generally the games I buy on Steam I want to keep and 99% of the time aren't on Gamepass anyway, so not much use for me.

I will say that these days the Xbox PC app is much better, it was next to useless just a few months ago. My only real complaint now is having to deal with EA's abysmal launcher for their games, so much so that I don't even bother with them

Persona 5 is the best game on that list but given I've already played it on Playstation I'll go for Plauge Tale, it's actually the first game I've played on the service for some time (I have it mainly for my son) and playing on PC without the need for 30fps I've been pleasantly surprised so far

That's what happens when you bank on the mythical mobile market. These are still good numbers taking into account consoles and PC but I'm tired of so many (not just Xbox) quote these billion or so mobile gamers, the overwhelming majority of whom would never play a console style game or buy dedicated hardware to play.

As I said I still think these are good numbers given their install base and it's clear cloud gaming isn't ready to take off. Then as others have pointed out, you have Xbox's own lack of first party output. When this picks up perhaps those numbers will be even better

I've moved to PC this gen, partly because of Sony's money grabbing antics and partly due to Xbox acquiring Bethesda, so long term will have more games I'm interested in and of course they're all on PC.

I have dabbled with Xbox in the past with the original but didn't really come back until the One X

@Bleachedsmiles if keystone had a hard drive then what is it for without any other hardware? It couldn't play games without connecting to the cloud rendering it a pointless inclusion.

I'm well aware of Stadia's other faults but there just isn't a demand for such a device and Microsoft obviously believe the same, hence why they went down the TV route which makes much more sense in the long run. The market for an Xbox that only plays a fraction of its games and have to be streamed, I would argue is very small.

I'm not really here to argue the merits of cloud gaming, I can see why it would be attractive to some but as for myself I have no use for it at all

@Bleachedsmiles it won't though, what's the market for a dedicated streaming gaming device? Otherwise they would have already done it and if keystone had hardware to download and play the games then that's just a Series S

@PhileasFragg is that really that much cheaper when you consider how much less capable it is and you wouldn't have access to the vast majority of the Xbox library? I don't see many not just buying the Series S instead and given that Stadia was a failure kind of proves it.

Cloud gaming makes sense on existing devices, not on dedicated hardware

Such a device makes no commercial sense, you're gonna have to pack it with a controller and realistically why would anyone buy it over a Series S which can do both? It makes much more sense for these cloud services just to be an app on existing devices such as your TV or cable box.

It's like those streaming handheld like that Logitech thing which are trying to compete with a Steam Deck for the same price

This is one of the reasons why I believe Activision being bought by Microsoft will only benefit gamers, as is they only chase money of stuff like Warzone and Call of Duty. Under Microsoft I believe they'll be much more likely to explore their vast catalogue of IP

@Acurisur I've already stated I was exaggerating but the chips in these are stricty speaking an SOC as opposed to an APU.

In either case a 3600 should not be beating any of these consoles and I feel its more likely a development time issue and they've just come up with an excuse rather than just simply saying we're targeting 30fps at launch

@Moto5 I was exaggerating but the point stands

@Agnostic yet weirdly their PC requirements for 60fps are a Ryzen 5 3600 which is a much less capable CPU then any of these consoles. I suspect the real reason is more the deadline to get the game out than any technological one

@Kaloudz it's funny you mention Dreamcast as more than half of its games run at 60fps, in fact it probably has the highest percentage of 60fps games until this generation. If anything being a gamer for over 30 years I'd say the PS3/360 years had some of the worst performance (along with N64) and those alongside PS4/Xbox One made 30fps the default for so many games.

The world according to Sony

Playstation exclusive = good

Xbox exclusive = bad

I couldn't care less about online play, the disappointment for me is that they haven't even done as much as what has been with the 1964 emulator which has upgraded hud elements. Then the elephant in the room of that leaked 360 version and all of the improvements that brought that's easily emulated

It's good to finally see it but it could have been so much more

@themightyant both are, it's just usually a bit more obvious with Jim.

I've been gaming for far too long and things like this are nothing new. Nintendo used to do it with Sega, then Sony took over and did it to everyone and now its back and forth between Xbox and Playstation. I just wish they wouldn't say things like how they think it'll affect their fans as neither care when taking games away from the other. Jim is worried about losing put on the microtransactions flowing through their store and nothing else.

Needs to set the record straight? Sony have done the same thing for decades and seems happy to pay to keep Final Fantasy away from Xbox. I have little sympathy for a company who are happy to rip off their customers by charging more for their games just because they can, oh and £70 remasters.

All Jim is upset about is losing a cut of those microtransactions, he couldn't care less about the impact on their players, which let's face it just amounts to getting another console

@SplooshDmg FSR 2.0 is certainly a big jump over the original implementation, though as an Nvidia user I'd never pick it over DLSS. Still it's good to see the consoles starting to use it and it'll be of huge benefit to the Series S in particular

I much prefer 4's map to 5's and I don't like 5's progression system either. I'll stick to FH3 and 4 amd of anything they should give the series a break

I did enjoy GT7 this year and looking forward to playing this on my PC when it comes out, fingers crossed on a 40 series card

Cool, get back to me in 10 years when we might have seen something

CG trailers just do nothing for me, show me gameplay all day long. I play games, not cutscenes

@awp69 we've been playing different games then

Some GT7 hate here, to be expected sadly despite it being a great game in its own right. I just think it's good that each is going to have a very good racing game

It's good that they showed lot's of games, I can't think of many I'm really interested in though, perhaps Forza. Starfield looks like a cross between Fallout and No Man's Sky which could be very good

@BAMozzy Samsung TV's have had game streaming services for years though, including PS Now

Absolutely ridiculous that you need a new TV for this, my 6 year old Samsung TV had Gamefly streaming and PS Now, so why can't older TV's be supported?

Resident Evil 2 because its the best one

@Xiovanni thing is Insomniac have already shown with Ratchet and Clank that this can be achieved by leveraging their 120hz modes and running games at 40fps

Last gen there was a genuine purpose with the introduction of 4K TVs, now though I don't see the point. Certainly not in the short term as we have about 10 (if that) next gen exclusives between them and their only real weakness is ray tracing support.

@Tharsman in that sense isn't being a PS5 exclusive potentially a huge advantage as not only do you only have to worry about one API but also one specification of hardware too

I'd probably say the Series S, I see a lot of people online criticising it and even suggesting it's not a next gen console. Then here in the UK where the PS5 is always out of stock and the X usually is, the S has been readily available and even discounted

@Ryu_Niiyama Infamous is from Sucker Punch and not Insomniac but I do agree with your point overall

As some have alluded to, Spider-Man is a great game because of Insomniac and we've had plenty of mediocre Spider-Man games over the years. MS made the right decision as I doubt the place they were in at the time would have made a game anywhere near as good. I mean here we are 8 years down the line and they're still struggling to get games out of the door

I genuinely can't think of another game I want to play on Xbox this year and even outside of my own opinions this has to be a big blow for them.

That aside I'm glad they're listening to the people making the game and giving them more time to fix it before launching

It's pathetic and I sadly see it all the time, we should be celebrating having so many great options to play games these days

Well Series S users would need access to another Xbox for it to be of any use. I'm struggling to see the benefit to Microsoft as how would you stop people from simply passing the game along to multiple people? Unless of course they put some kind of code on new games, it just seems bizarre to be honest and how many would benefit?

Hang on so they've updated it to play at 30fps but it doesn't even save the setting and there is a work around, how incompetent are 343?

Square should just stick to their strengths, we became fans of theirs because of their JRPG's, so I don't know why they were ever chasing western trends

I keep meaning to buy Hydro Thunder, well I'll definitely be adding it

Why would I ever want to play the last gen version of a game on my new console? Makes no sense to me. Its easy enough to delete games and install when you want to play them, there's more than enough space to have a good amount of games installed