
Xbox's project 'Keystone' has come up in conversation during Phil Spencer's recent interview with The Wall Street Journal.
As you might recall, earlier this month we saw an old prototype of Keystone on Phil's shelf. Now, in his latest interview, the Xbox boss has mentioned how the company decided to pivot to working with Samsung in the end.
A dedicated streaming device for Xbox could still happen in the future, but Phil thinks it's still probably years away (via The Verge senior editor Tom Warren):
"Keystone was something that we were incubating internally. Late spring we pivoted to working with Samsung. I still have the prototype... will we do a streaming device at some point? I expect we will, but it's years away"
Microsoft previously mentioned back in May of this year how it had decided to pivot away from the current iteration of the Keystone device. At the time stating how it would take its learnings and refocus these efforts on a new approach - allowing it to deliver Xbox Cloud Gaming to more players around the world in the future.
If you do want to cloud stream Xbox games, for now, you'll just have to resort to using your existing household tech.
How do you feel about Microsoft moving away from Keystone in its current state? Would you like a streaming device like this in the future? Comment below.
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Microsoft would do well to either modify a bare-bones Linux installation or develop a Retroarch "core" to behave like a dedicated portal to XCloud. It would require relatively little work and time, would make their service available for a wider variety of platforms, and leave it up to the DIY communities to put the portal on things like the Raspberry Pi and other devices of their choosing.
I would rather see a true portable XB similar to SteamDeck.
I think ideally they would like to use a standard Xbox controller but that adds additional latency having to communicate with the box first and then send controls to the internet, and the same when coming back with feedback. Most modern streaming controllers connect directly to the internet skipping a couple of links in the chain. It's only a few milliseconds more but every one counts in streaming!
Such a device makes no commercial sense, you're gonna have to pack it with a controller and realistically why would anyone buy it over a Series S which can do both? It makes much more sense for these cloud services just to be an app on existing devices such as your TV or cable box.
It's like those streaming handheld like that Logitech thing which are trying to compete with a Steam Deck for the same price
Interesting change in tone from Phil recently regarding gamepass. I got the impression they were all in on releasing some kind of streaming stick. Xcloud was suddenly gaining a lot momentum this year. Then there were rumours before June that Xbox were pretty set to release a streaming box this year…and then a Samsung tv deal seemed like cloud gaming was pretty much there. So very surprising a streaming device is now years away…
It’s all very odd. The amount of articles this year alone with Phil ramming home how games shouldn’t be locked to one device. How cloud gaming is set to open up games to more people. Gamepas gamepass gamepass…
Now it’s almost like ‘gamepass isn’t that successful guys, calm down’, ‘cloud gaming is years away guys, calm down’.
I wonder if there’s some timing at play here…
@carlos82 odds are there would have been two options…one with a controller, one without…both no doubt a lot cheaper than a series s.
The commercial sense is pretty obvious - gets more people subscribing to gamepass.
An app on every smart tv would be better though. But I think keystone was supposed to have some hardware inside it to allow downloading games too. I’m not sure.
@carlos82 A dedicated Streaming device would come in way cheaper than a Series S would. A controller at retail costs around £50, and a 4K streaming device like a Chromecast costs around the same. So I could see Microsoft coming out with a bundle that includes both in the £100-150 price range. Google Stadia was £120. That's at least £100 less than a Series S.
@Bleachedsmiles it won't though, what's the market for a dedicated streaming gaming device? Otherwise they would have already done it and if keystone had hardware to download and play the games then that's just a Series S
@PhileasFragg is that really that much cheaper when you consider how much less capable it is and you wouldn't have access to the vast majority of the Xbox library? I don't see many not just buying the Series S instead and given that Stadia was a failure kind of proves it.
Cloud gaming makes sense on existing devices, not on dedicated hardware
@carlos82 stadia was a different model - stadia you paid a sub and had to pay full price for the games you streamed. Xcloud obviously isn’t that model - you pay a sub and get access to all the games on that subscription service.
Cloud gaming has proven benefits on dedicated hardware…if you’re a gamepass subscriber and not taking advantage of cloud gaming on your Xbox you’re seriously missing out. Not only are the benefits game changing in allowing you the ability to near instantly try any game on gamepass without having to download first…offering plenty of opportunity to discover new titles. Cloud gaming is also hugely beneficial to everyone who’s taking advantage of Microsoft’s reward points scheme.
The main reasons why a games streaming service hasn’t taken off yet is because the Infrastructure either wasn’t there (streaming capability’s), it was device limited, or it had the stadia model (nobody wants to buy games you can only ever stream…not today anyway).
Should Xbox be able to get cloud gaming on smart tvs via an app they will of course see an increase in gamepass subs. But make no mistake, cloud streamings being invested in by MS so much because mobile is the bigger picture.
If keystone does have hardware inside it, say a harddrive, it would still be a cheaper alternative to a series s…bare in mind it wouldn’t need the same graphics/memory
They should not make an streaming device because with smart tvs, SmartPhone, tablets and PC it's completely useless.
What they really need to do is keep improving their cloud plataform, make it region free and add it to more devices.
If they do that, it's gonna be an epic win.
@carlos82 great coment, thats true
@Bleachedsmiles if keystone had a hard drive then what is it for without any other hardware? It couldn't play games without connecting to the cloud rendering it a pointless inclusion.
I'm well aware of Stadia's other faults but there just isn't a demand for such a device and Microsoft obviously believe the same, hence why they went down the TV route which makes much more sense in the long run. The market for an Xbox that only plays a fraction of its games and have to be streamed, I would argue is very small.
I'm not really here to argue the merits of cloud gaming, I can see why it would be attractive to some but as for myself I have no use for it at all
@carlos82 un My case, I don't have an Xbox Series or One, but I play A LOT with Xbox Cloud Gaming, and I will continue like that until they relase games that You can purchase in the plataform.
I'm not even thinking in buying an Streaming Device since I can play my games in my PC and My phone.
My prediction is that in the next gen they will add a Digital console with an special gamepass suscription.
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