This rumour is from days ago. If they are to do it, then going for a hybrid model would make sense. Ditch the at home only model and go for a native, hybrid model at around £500. It could work for Xbox.
@Dimey yeah. It’s already been happening. MLB The Show is PS Studios game but on Xbox and Nintendo Switch. No meltdown there, although Xbox isn’t exactly shifting consoles at any great pace. That’s where the difference lies.
@Dimey I actually think this is going to be 2024’s most hyped non event. Same stance Xbox has had for ages that they want Xbox to be accessible on as many screens as possible. A select few games will go multi platform. All digital Series that will be essentially a Pro model. I just don’t think it will be as wild and industry changing as anyone things.
@Titntin I think if it’s just a few games here and there, no damage is done. MLB The Show is multi platform already and that has caused Sony no harm. If it’s things like Starfield , that strikes me as odd.
@Blinx That is an issue but by the same token, with social media, they can offer clarity much sooner. Whilst we can’t expect every rumour to be answered all the time, to allow something like we have seen with the Xbox rumours get so out of hand has been poor really. A lot of damage has been done through lack of communication and that is going to be tough to recover , even for someone as huge as MS.
Most rumours won’t be addressed. It will be a non event. They will say they will still make consoles but a lot of games will go multi platform. And then the rumours will start again.
I have a feeling that all MS will do in the coming week is say very little and muddy the waters even more. Their lack of communication up to this point has been baffling and it feels very much as though there are too many people with too many different visions of what Xbox should be. Phil Spencer hasn’t been in control for a long time and he’s now just a sacrificial lamb for MS. Hi Fi Rush and SoT will be confirmed but nothing else. The new All Digital Xbox will be announced. I genuinely think that little else will be said.
@ZuneTattooGuy The idea that it’s fiscal suicide is bizarre. It’s not a good move if you are an Xbox console fan but financially it will make MS even more money every year.
@CaptainCluck I totally agree about the communication. It’s been really poor and now they are only coming out to speak because they have had their hand forced. I fully expect the update to further muddy the waters and clarify pretty much nothing at all.
Won’t be the end of Xbox consoles now but will be a running down of that business. More exclusives will be multi platform and Phil blame it all on Sony. Will be about ten minutes long and we will know little more than we really know now. Am Hoping that a lot of these click baiting and you tube influencers - who have neve done a days work in their lives - get egg on their faces. But I doubt it.
I like exclusives. It differentiates consoles and if we get all the same games on every system, competition dries up. It’s one way to look at things that more games on every console is great for everyone but it stifles creativity. The only winner would be MS who would make insane profits. And that’s why they will go down this route. I suspect the next all digital Xbox will be the last.
Palworld for me. Did Ollie genuinely say Palworld is not a good game? It's better than anything that Game Freak have trotted out on Nintendo Switch and this is still a beta version.
If it has better haptics then 100%. I love the feel of the current controller but it feels a little undercooked compared to the PS5 one. So yeah, if it comes with the mentioned features, I would get one day one.
How crass of Microsoft to bang on about the 3 trillion dollar market cap after laying off 1900 staff! The PR at Microsoft today is in need of sacking! In a week, Xbox has gone from a real surge of goodwill to plumbing the depths! Whilst job losses are not a huge surprise, Phil Spencer, Matt Booty and Sarah Bond will slowly kill off Xbox as a console if they are not careful. They lack communication with fans and are on a trajectory of kill the console.l, go all digital, go 3rd party. The handling of the situation today has been embarrassing and a PR disaster.
Hid only knows what Phil is going to do next to try and make Xbox as unpopular as possible.
Love my Xbox but the top brass are testing my patience.
I still want the choice to buy physical games but Phil Spencer has decided that won’t happen much longer. Yes, digital is huge now but to just alienate millions of gamers is stupid and frankly shows that Spencer holds Xbox gamers in contempt. Xbox is misreading the room today in a huge way.
What is really bad is that MS have also closed the department responsible for physical games. Whilst we know Xbox is focused on digital gaming, this is an insult to gamers who still want physical games. Phil Spencer is treating fans with a great deal of contempt and it’s a tightrope he’s starting to walk.
Xbox displays in retailers are already non existent and if they go all digital, they will disappear altogether which will hand PlayStation another boost- one they do not need.
Maybe this is a sign that Xbox is heading toward going 3rd party.
Many will try and spin this and Xbox being in trouble but there is little going on here than normal practice after a takeover.
It’s not good and it’s bad for those affected but this is not a surprise. It’s nothing out of the ordinary and sadly it will happen again throughout gaming.
MS are embracing AI in a big way and that will lead to even more layoffs I’m afraid.
@EvenStephen7 out of 22k it’s not a huge number at all.
You can’t have 2 people doing the same job. I don’t agree with redundancies but sadly with sometime like this, it was inevitable.
Whilst the news is of course sad, it’s not at all a surprise. Mergers, takeovers will always result in redundancies and this isn’t even mass redundancies. I feel for the workers but in reality it’s a minsicule proportion of the gaming division. As for Xbox losing MS money, maybe look at the financials and you will see that isn’t the case at all. The consoles do but that’s nothing new. Revenue wise, the gaming division of MS is highly profitable.
Sony won’t let GP on PlayStation unless hell freezes over. Nintendo maybe but I doubt it.
People will try and make a big deal out of this news and try and suggest it’s the end of Xbox.
Anyone who thinks that is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Strangely really enjoying it despite never having been a Pokemon fan. It’s not exactly original - Pokemon meets Animal Crossing and has a baby with Breath of the Wild. Pop in graphics are nearly as bad as the Switch Pokemon games.
But it’s good for a chill out game and got some more layers to it.
Palworod for me. I’m Hooked and I hate Pokemon but this seems to have a few more layers to it. Good fun and a chill out game. Sales and numbers playing it are insane
@OldGamer999 This is a huge part of the issue. They are saying games will go multi format but that is alienating a lot of Xbox fans. Even some of the most ardent fans on social media are saying they will just move to PS if this is where Xbox heads. What is needed is clarity but right now it looks like Phil Spencer isn’t in control of anything at Xbox and that’s for be of concern when he is undermined by his bosses.
I think what this does is just muddy the waters all over again. If Xbox was to go 3rd party, then Xbox as a console is dead. There would be no reason left to own one and that would be gutting.
It would also essentially leave a one format industry as Nintendo will continue to hog the handheld arena. A one format industry would be a disaster.
Also you would need a brand change. You can’t have Xbox with no Xbox. It would just have to take on the Microsoft Gaming name full stop.
Having games multi format is of course great but if you take away exclusives, you kill creativity, competition and any kind of real identity.
Xbox going fully third party would be a tragedy for fans and all of gaming in the long terms.
Playing Valhalla. I bought it before it went to Game Pass and that’s all fine with me. It’s truly stunning. Breathtaking visuals and I just love the freedom and scope of the entire game. Gonna be hooked into this for a while yet!
@OldGamer999 Oh sure, it’s not limited to consoles. It’s just that the PS brand is a juggernaut that can’t and probably won’t be stopped. My concern is that it just makes PS lazy and resting on their laurels. Why make effort for loads of games when people will bit your product no matter what.
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Re: Talking Point: What's Your Immediate Reaction To Today's Xbox Announcements?
I thought it was good. Phil waffled at the start but Bond was pretty aggressive in her points - in a good way.
Can check my thoughts as well if you like !
https://mattjarviswriting.wixsite.com/mjjmedia/post/xbox-business-update-february-15th-2024
Re: Random: Phil Spencer Has Been 'Liking' Tweets About Xbox And Handhelds
This rumour is from days ago. If they are to do it, then going for a hybrid model would make sense. Ditch the at home only model and go for a native, hybrid model at around £500.
It could work for Xbox.
Re: First Two Xbox Exclusives Coming To 'Rival Consoles' Reportedly Revealed
@Fiendish-Beaver Whilst Starfield is a great game, I would hardly call it a system seller.
Re: First Two Xbox Exclusives Coming To 'Rival Consoles' Reportedly Revealed
@Dimey yeah. It’s already been happening. MLB The Show is PS Studios game but on Xbox and Nintendo Switch. No meltdown there, although Xbox isn’t exactly shifting consoles at any great pace. That’s where the difference lies.
Re: First Two Xbox Exclusives Coming To 'Rival Consoles' Reportedly Revealed
@Dimey I actually think this is going to be 2024’s most hyped non event. Same stance Xbox has had for ages that they want Xbox to be accessible on as many screens as possible. A select few games will go multi platform.
All digital Series that will be essentially a Pro model.
I just don’t think it will be as wild and industry changing as anyone things.
Re: First Two Xbox Exclusives Coming To 'Rival Consoles' Reportedly Revealed
This was already known I thought. And tbh if it's game like this.… it's no big deal.
Re: Rumours About Microsoft Surface Team Taking Over Xbox Hardware Development 'Not True'
This update is gonna blow peoples minds for what's not in it as much as what is it in it.
Re: Microsoft Announces Official Date & Time For 'Updates On The Xbox Business'
This is going to be a PR disaster.
Re: Tension Builds As Xbox Prepares For Major 'Business Update Event' This Week
The MS PR team are abysmal.
Re: Tension Builds As Xbox Prepares For Major 'Business Update Event' This Week
It will show us the way things are heading. I’m not sure there will be much clarity tbh and more likely more confusion.
Re: Tension Builds As Xbox Prepares For Major 'Business Update Event' This Week
@carlos82 A large proportion play through PC.
Re: Tension Builds As Xbox Prepares For Major 'Business Update Event' This Week
@Titntin I think if it’s just a few games here and there, no damage is done. MLB The Show is multi platform already and that has caused Sony no harm.
If it’s things like Starfield , that strikes me as odd.
Re: Tension Builds As Xbox Prepares For Major 'Business Update Event' This Week
@Blinx That is an issue but by the same token, with social media, they can offer clarity much sooner. Whilst we can’t expect every rumour to be answered all the time, to allow something like we have seen with the Xbox rumours get so out of hand has been poor really.
A lot of damage has been done through lack of communication and that is going to be tough to recover , even for someone as huge as MS.
Re: Tension Builds As Xbox Prepares For Major 'Business Update Event' This Week
Most rumours won’t be addressed. It will be a non event.
They will say they will still make consoles but a lot of games will go multi platform.
And then the rumours will start again.
Re: Xbox Supposedly 'Very Surprised' At The Extent Of The Latest Rumours
I have a feeling that all MS will do in the coming week is say very little and muddy the waters even more. Their lack of communication up to this point has been baffling and it feels very much as though there are too many people with too many different visions of what Xbox should be. Phil Spencer hasn’t been in control for a long time and he’s now just a sacrificial lamb for MS.
Hi Fi Rush and SoT will be confirmed but nothing else. The new All Digital Xbox will be announced.
I genuinely think that little else will be said.
Re: Xbox Supposedly 'Very Surprised' At The Extent Of The Latest Rumours
@ZuneTattooGuy The idea that it’s fiscal suicide is bizarre. It’s not a good move if you are an Xbox console fan but financially it will make MS even more money every year.
Re: Xbox Supposedly 'Very Surprised' At The Extent Of The Latest Rumours
@CaptainCluck I totally agree about the communication. It’s been really poor and now they are only coming out to speak because they have had their hand forced.
I fully expect the update to further muddy the waters and clarify pretty much nothing at all.
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Expect To See From Microsoft's Update On The Future Of Xbox?
Won’t be the end of Xbox consoles now but will be a running down of that business.
More exclusives will be multi platform and Phil blame it all on Sony.
Will be about ten minutes long and we will know little more than we really know now.
Am
Hoping that a lot of these click baiting and you tube influencers - who have neve done a days work in their lives - get egg on their faces.
But I doubt it.
Re: Xbox Fans Urged To Remain Calm As Emotions Run Wild On Social Media
@JaxonH Problem is, console wise, Xbox hasn’t given PlayStation any competition for 2 gens and Nintendo isn’t seen as the competition.
Re: Reaction: We're Conflicted About Xbox Exclusives Potentially Going To PS5
I like exclusives. It differentiates consoles and if we get all the same games on every system, competition dries up. It’s one way to look at things that more games on every console is great for everyone but it stifles creativity.
The only winner would be MS who would make insane profits. And that’s why they will go down this route.
I suspect the next all digital Xbox will be the last.
Re: Starfield, Indiana Jones And Many Other 'Xbox Exclusives' Could Be Heading To PS5
It’s over for Xbox as a console.
Re: Gaming Becomes Microsoft's 'Third Largest Business' In Latest Quarter
So spending money makes profits. I would argue and hasn’t exactly earned the money , rather that Acti/Blizzard earned it.
But this is why they did it.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (January 27-28)
Palworld for me. Did Ollie genuinely say Palworld is not a good game?
It's better than anything that Game Freak have trotted out on Nintendo Switch and this is still a beta version.
Re: Xbox Game Pass: All Games Coming Soon In February 2024
@rustyduck You feel scammed? Are you for real? That's insane value for the amount of games you can access!
Re: Microsoft Hits Historic $3 Trillion Valuation On Same Day Of Xbox Layoffs
Crass timing.
It was a bad day for the Xbox PR team.
Re: Talking Point: Would You Buy A 'Revised' Xbox Series X|S Controller In 2024?
If it has better haptics then 100%. I love the feel of the current controller but it feels a little undercooked compared to the PS5 one.
So yeah, if it comes with the mentioned features, I would get one day one.
Re: Xbox Series S Toaster Begins Showing Up In The UK For Just £29.99
Oh goody. This will blow away all the bad news.
Re: Microsoft Cuts 1,900 Jobs Across Xbox, Bethesda And Activision Blizzard Teams
How crass of Microsoft to bang on about the 3 trillion dollar market cap after laying off 1900 staff!
The PR at Microsoft today is in need of sacking! In a week, Xbox has gone from a real surge of goodwill to plumbing the depths!
Whilst job losses are not a huge surprise, Phil Spencer, Matt Booty and Sarah Bond will slowly kill off Xbox as a console if they are not careful.
They lack communication with fans and are on a trajectory of kill the console.l, go all digital, go 3rd party.
The handling of the situation today has been embarrassing and a PR disaster.
Hid only knows what Phil is going to do next to try and make Xbox as unpopular as possible.
Love my Xbox but the top brass are testing my patience.
Re: Xbox's Physical Games Departments Reportedly Affected By Microsoft Layoffs
I still want the choice to buy physical games but Phil Spencer has decided that won’t happen much longer.
Yes, digital is huge now but to just alienate millions of gamers is stupid and frankly shows that Spencer holds Xbox gamers in contempt.
Xbox is misreading the room today in a huge way.
Re: Microsoft Cuts 1,900 Jobs Across Xbox, Bethesda And Activision Blizzard Teams
What is really bad is that MS have also closed the department responsible for physical games. Whilst we know Xbox is focused on digital gaming, this is an insult to gamers who still want physical games.
Phil Spencer is treating fans with a great deal of contempt and it’s a tightrope he’s starting to walk.
Xbox displays in retailers are already non existent and if they go all digital, they will disappear altogether which will hand PlayStation another boost- one they do not need.
Maybe this is a sign that Xbox is heading toward going 3rd party.
Whatever , going all digital is a bad move
Re: Microsoft Cuts 1,900 Jobs Across Xbox, Bethesda And Activision Blizzard Teams
@GuyinPA75 I know. They came to the UK and destroyed morale and the workplace. Snakes
Re: Microsoft Cuts 1,900 Jobs Across Xbox, Bethesda And Activision Blizzard Teams
Many will try and spin this and Xbox being in trouble but there is little going on here than normal practice after a takeover.
It’s not good and it’s bad for those affected but this is not a surprise. It’s nothing out of the ordinary and sadly it will happen again throughout gaming.
MS are embracing AI in a big way and that will lead to even more layoffs I’m afraid.
Re: Microsoft Cuts 1,900 Jobs Across Xbox, Bethesda And Activision Blizzard Teams
Sadly it’s normal though.
Takeovers rarely create jobs. They always lead to job losses.
It’s horrible and I know because I’ve been through it with Citi and Barclaycard years ago.
Places of this size deal in money and never people.
Re: Microsoft Cuts 1,900 Jobs Across Xbox, Bethesda And Activision Blizzard Teams
@EvenStephen7 out of 22k it’s not a huge number at all.
You can’t have 2 people doing the same job. I don’t agree with redundancies but sadly with sometime like this, it was inevitable.
Re: Microsoft Cuts 1,900 Jobs Across Xbox, Bethesda And Activision Blizzard Teams
Whilst the news is of course sad, it’s not at all a surprise. Mergers, takeovers will always result in redundancies and this isn’t even mass redundancies.
I feel for the workers but in reality it’s a minsicule proportion of the gaming division.
As for Xbox losing MS money, maybe look at the financials and you will see that isn’t the case at all. The consoles do but that’s nothing new.
Revenue wise, the gaming division of MS is highly profitable.
Sony won’t let GP on PlayStation unless hell freezes over. Nintendo maybe but I doubt it.
People will try and make a big deal out of this news and try and suggest it’s the end of Xbox.
Anyone who thinks that is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Re: Xbox Game Pass Likely Surpassed 33 Million Subs Last Year, Claims Analyst
It’s a good result. And anything that comes via IGN I take with more than a pinch of salt!!!
Re: Poll: What Do You Think Of Palworld On Xbox Game Pass So Far?
Strangely really enjoying it despite never having been a Pokemon fan. It’s not exactly original - Pokemon meets Animal Crossing and has a baby with Breath of the Wild.
Pop in graphics are nearly as bad as the Switch Pokemon games.
But it’s good for a chill out game and got some more layers to it.
Player numbers are insane.
Xbox - release a bundle with this game.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (January 20-21)
Palworod for me. I’m
Hooked and I hate Pokemon but this seems to have a few more layers to it. Good fun and a chill out game.
Sales and numbers playing it are insane
Re: 'Indiana Jones And The Great Circle' Gameplay Has Landed, And It Looks Awesome
This has me mega hyped! I love the films and this looks like it has the character of those brilliant early films as well.
Cannot wait.
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@OldGamer999 You have hit the nail on the head. They need to do that or they will lose users. They need to state categorically the aims and plans.
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@OldGamer999 This is a huge part of the issue. They are saying games will go multi format but that is alienating a lot of Xbox fans. Even some of the most ardent fans on social media are saying they will just move to PS if this is where Xbox heads.
What is needed is clarity but right now it looks like Phil Spencer isn’t in control of anything at Xbox and that’s for be of concern when he is undermined by his bosses.
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
I think what this does is just muddy the waters all over again. If Xbox was to go 3rd party, then Xbox as a console is dead. There would be no reason left to own one and that would be gutting.
It would also essentially leave a one format industry as Nintendo will continue to hog the handheld arena. A one format industry would be a disaster.
Also you would need a brand change. You can’t have Xbox with no Xbox. It would just have to take on the Microsoft Gaming name full stop.
Having games multi format is of course great but if you take away exclusives, you kill creativity, competition and any kind of real identity.
Xbox going fully third party would be a tragedy for fans and all of gaming in the long terms.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (January 13-14)
Playing Valhalla. I bought it before it went to Game Pass and that’s all fine with me. It’s truly stunning. Breathtaking visuals and I just love the freedom and scope of the entire game.
Gonna be hooked into this for a while yet!
Re: Limited Run Gets Brutally Honest As Xbox Misses Out On Two New Ports
@Mephisto2869 😂😂
Re: Limited Run Gets Brutally Honest As Xbox Misses Out On Two New Ports
@Kevw2006 I am not saying they don’t. But the PS brand is phenomenally powerful.
Re: Limited Run Gets Brutally Honest As Xbox Misses Out On Two New Ports
@OldGamer999 Oh sure, it’s not limited to consoles. It’s just that the PS brand is a juggernaut that can’t and probably won’t be stopped. My concern is that it just makes PS lazy and resting on their laurels. Why make effort for loads of games when people will bit your product no matter what.
Re: Limited Run Gets Brutally Honest As Xbox Misses Out On Two New Ports
@OldGamer999 PS fans would buy a paper bag with a PlayStation logo on it. It’s actually quite sad that they just buy it for the brand and little else.
Re: Another Xbox Console Exclusive Makes Its Way To PS5 Later This Month
@ValkyriaProfile This was hardly a game anyone would notice going elsewhere.
Pure Xbox are usually better than click bait.
Non story. Next.
Re: Another Xbox Console Exclusive Makes Its Way To PS5 Later This Month
lol. Non story. I suspect this is just games being played. Although maybe PS5 fans think this is the start of the end they so long for!!?
NEXT!
Re: Xbox Announces New 'Developer Direct' Event For Next Week
Would love the Indy game to be awesome! Am so ready for a quality way to be Indy and have the tune buzzing round my head!
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