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@Ralizah ironically the first SMT game I played was TMS. I had no idea what SMT was but Nintendo made sure I’d heard ofTMS.

@NEStalgia I’ve had breakfast so I ca respond. TMS was hurt by the JP only option because the game wasn’t SMTxFE. The game it was ventured more into Persona territory and those games need dubs. That said the game was a massive departure for either franchise it was supposed to be and honestly being tied to FE and SMT hurt it.

SH2 was partially hurt by the 2: But also it feels a bit outdated compared to more recent titles. There was also very little marketing for the game in the West. And ultimately most critics wanted P6 not SH2.

As for Xbox, Atlus barely marketed to the platform. If you didn’t know where to look, you could easily be forgiven for thinking it was slipping Xbox.

Honestly, I like the game better than TMS. The DLC isn’t that important because you can YouTube the cutscene. And you’re done. But yeah Atlus day 1 DLC for the win!

Still I don’t think Xbox is hopeless. P5R did really well on GP. But it’s still funny to me “farming simulator” and “Goat Similator” can be a top played game but no one wants to try out Story of Seasons?

@NEStalgia it’s the dungeons they reuse the first three, well really each of them is one dungeon but you back tread. Kind of like how you do in TMS after you get the door unlock skill. Then there is this dungeon called the soul matrix which is needed to get advance skills but it’s very same looking and very frustrating and easy to get lost in.

The story is not complicated, but the final boss doesn’t make 100% sense. Part of that is thr issue with the lost numbers DLC, which has this one scene that explains partially some of the final boses motivations. It’s not like the DLC is cut content though, but that scene is kind of important. The dungeon that goes with that DLC is also the only one that properly uses the sabbath mechanic.

@NEStalgia @Ralizah I’ve actually had dinner now.

SH2 did better sales wise than TMS Encore and maybe base, but critically did worse. The irony is that it’s more of an evolution of TMS. The dungeon design is most people’s biggest complaint, which is funny because now thanks to P5 everyone expects those style dungeons. Although, to the major complaint if the Soul Matrix was closer than Mementos it might have been received better.

Either way not being on the Switch hurt it terms of people play those kind of JRPGs on that platform all the time. But moving a game to a platform not known for dealing with turn based games well and a platform raise on Persona, yeah critics were going to hate it.

Switch critics have Pokémon to compare to. Granted it’s not even close to SMT V, but I do think Switch fans like a nice character driven game and would see through the flaws.

I do hope it gets more love though the protag is amazing. I want Atlus to make more speaking (and female) protags.

@Ralizah request sent you’ll find out.

@NEStalgia @Ralizah I’m not going to wade into a conversation with you two without dinner I know better. Ralizah you wouldn’t have discord or some other form of communication on with which codes may be dropped in DM such as Twitter or some another semi anonymous platform?

@NEStalgia I still think they want streaming on Switch. And I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s like an NSO bundle.

@NEStalgia I’m just replying to you because why not but apparently it’s a mistaken in how it was reference https://twitter.com/chris_dring/status/1628121644370694151?s=46&t=s9Uz9Rn29n-eLijGWJ4YWA

@NEStalgia I mean don’t get me wrong, I’m all for GP being everywhere. Just not individual upports of 360 games that’s aren’t even native on Xbox. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

@iplaygamesnstuff look I do t disagree with you in one sense but again we aren’t the market. The silent majority literally wants native hardware for potty breaks. Do I want that? No I’d rather be able to Fire Emblem on my Xbox in HDR bit that isn’t happening.

Unless it’s a game meant to be graphic heavy like Final Fantasy teens, it sells better on the Switch. That’s just a fact.

@iplaygamesnstuff the Switch is cheaper and goes to the bathroom with you. You can also pause the game in mid action even with games with no pause button and leave it that way.

While lots of people do like 4k gaming a much larger amount prefer the above. Most of that crowd doesn’t frequent forums or browse the internet, so their vices seem silent but it truly is the silent majority.

@Titntin

okay this is where we disagree @NEStalgia he’s tweet says “Xbox Games” but the official statement is COD exclusively not “Xbox games”. That’s his words, but the official words are COD.

I don’t know what he means but I feel like he’s talking about titles like Minecraft or Skyrim that are already on the Switch or other ABK titles or he could be talking about streaming like how Sega games exist in the NSO service so that’s partially where we meet again.

And I do agree he’s talking about the next Switch, which would be able to handle COD. I just don’t think they are talking about porting titles directly to the Switch unless it’s a live device or pre existing game, or streaming.

@NEStalgia your wish is my command. Ai-go makes her return.

You all have no excuse not to play Soul Hackers 2 now. Do it ! Get yourself a nice health dose of Ringo :3

@NEStalgia pffft you believe whatever makes you happy

@NEStalgia ooo a thread you hadn’t hijacked yet

@RadioHedgeFund no it doesn’t actually make sense put it on PlayStation platforms to “maximize” Japanese sales at least not in the case with OT2. Less than 3 million PS5s have been sold there and with the exception of GT most PS4 software titles die. And there is a huge amount of scalping going on int Japan for PS5. At this point, Japan is almost exclusively Switch, just putting OT2 on Switch maximizes that country.

PlayStation platforms is for everywhere else. I mean I’m not disagreeing with the rest of your statement but PlayStation games barely chart in Japan and drop off quick.

@Titntin Honestly I think MS was trying to buy the Western studios. Then they backed out to go after the other deal. Square Enix is left to take the much smaller Embracer deal and now things are a bit bad between them.

Well this article has its intend effect I’m sure.

Pretty excited for this one.

@uptownsoul I assure companies will use MTXs regardless of platform holders. However, if it was simply a matter of selling less copies why are Nintendo games just as full? Chocobo GX that had heavy monetization in it. And it’s console exclusive that have nothing to do with GP. Also there isn’t really loss of “copies”, MS pays for those copies. From a publisher stand point the copies are just as if they sold them.

GP isn’t the cause of MTXs.

@NEStalgia People are people. Some people do have legitimate grievances but everything g gets overshadowed by people who just love to fight and throw mud. It’s sad.

@uptownsoul wrong interpretation. Let me be more clear. Whether GP exists or not, more MTXs are coming. Just like MTXs still exist in 70 dollar games. Just like how they’ll be more live service games despite a bunch being canceled over these last few months. Nintendo games have MTXs and the latest Pokémon games show the strains of an “almost annualized” franchise. There are no heroes, just companies that exist to make money.

@trev666 because some people want Xbox is go away and think if GP is losing money it will die. Others sort of jump on the bandwagon because they think it’s cute.

Still others have legitimate concerns but this group isn’t proned to outlandish behavior, however group an and b weaponize group c concern and do act stupid because of it.

@uptownsoul Companies already do this. They already monetize FOMO consumers who have to purchase new games at full price are through season passes and deluxe version.

GP has just found a way to monetize the secondary batch of consumers that wait for sales don’t buy that stuff anyway.

In other words, GP isn’t going to cause more MTXs; we’re already there.

As an example, Atlus already had questionable DLCs practices before GP .

It’s called DLC and MTXs. There is a reason Redfall has a Dlx “upgrade” path. But of course they want to look “weak” so that kind of stuff isn’t going to be mentioned outright.

It 100% sounds like a GP drop and they are under NDA.

@stvevan well one could argue the bulk of PS players don’t play Japanese games either. The difference is PS has a such a large player base, that it makes up for it. But looking at the COD portion of the ABL deal; it’s obvious what actually makes the money.

Now the people not buying Japanese games aren’t those on the web.. This is the very large casual gaming audience that buys Madden, Saints Row, etc.

Again PS just has a bigger players to help rebalance the scales.

@Tharsman @NEStalgia I just find the obsession cute. At the end of the day it shows you what really makes money..

@NEStalgia maybe but I think from the statement this are just the proposed options. The CMA seems to want to actual make the deal work, unlike the FTC. MS lawyers just needs to figure out how to do it with this framework. That’s what they are paid for.

But it’s just funny that it is all about COD. Meaning any other acquisition is fine as long as the company doesn’t have an IP as big as COD. It’s laughable really. COD COD COD

So if I read this right, COD goes to a third party company, the deal goes through completely?

@Grumblevolcano yeah and that makes complete sense. This guy, though, not so much.

@NEStalgia so again the guy in this rumor is directly referencing a trade show, E3. He also went on to say in the same tweet Nintendo had nothing for second half 2023. Which insiders have debunked. Marketing may have been cut, but this guy doesn’t know that. That’s what I’m saying.

Now in the recent past, Xbox actually spent a ton of money for the marketing P5R for GP. While Atlus may have handled how it, was marketed; they paid for it. Personally though I don’t think MS would have done that big display, but I think it worked. MS does have really weird marketing choices, I agree with that. They hired a new marketing person last year I think, yo help with direct style shows.that tells me they want to do away with traditional trade shows at least for the US. Which the reality is do they help in the US?

@Grumblevolcano I agree with that but Zelda is different. But regardless, we agree that the rumor about Nintendo is false; which is the sticking point here. Why believe the other rumor? Guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

@NEStalgia again I think this guy doesn’t exactly have the right info. In the past, the E3 badge got you access to the MS show next door. My guess with the change in ownership Reedpop and MS couldn’t come to an agreement, so they gave them the line it’s not in the budget. But the same weekend he came out with that, Xbox was all in during Taipei show. I mean they had game demo booths etc. MS has already announced a June show, why could is ground traffic at E3 when they do their own online demo events?

I don’t actually think this is accurate. He posted that the same day Xbox had a booth at the Taipei Games Show. Also this is same guy saying Nintendo won’t be at E3 because they have “nothing to show”. Which I honestly think is not true either. They could have easily done a booth around Zelda.

MS never really does much marketing and has their own theater next to the E3 show. They haven’t technically be a part of E3 in a while.

@NEStalgia oh boy. I dunno he probably thought he if continued he’d say something he’d regret.

@NEStalgia you know how he is when he decides he’s had too much social media. He has to delete the account or he’ll “log on”z

@Nalverus Actually, I was agreeing with you. However I was suggesting you’re wasting your time explaining it.

@Nalverus honestly I don’t mind that it’s an upscaled Switch game for lack of better terminology. There are so many toggle options and “filters”, if you can’t make the game work for you, I feel like you’re not trying.

@Green-Bandit you can get a non-white back with the design lab. My issue with the design labs is the face buttons aren’t pink ;/

@EliJapan what’s not here is they just announced the XSX Forza bundle coming to Japan the same day as the price increase.

@EliJapan in the case of a swimsuit in a Bandai game; not sure it’s solely for cosmetics reasons for the opposite gender.

@SplooshDmg let me preface this by saying I’ve heard wired ones are better.’

But I’ve had nothing but issues with mine as well. I stopped using them a while back.

@Tharsman same but this is what MS needed to do yo send a message.

@Deemo37 it’s on PC GP. The min req is a 1050. Could you ru it there ?

@Grumblevolcano I’d say that makes sense.

It’s JoJos. Dang some good stuff in there nice.

@Tharsman Tango definitely carried the show.

They can do this again.

Was anyone actually mad? I don’t think any Xbox owners complained. Fox News needs to go away.

@iplaygamesnstuff supposedly the game is far enough in development it will release this year.

@UltimateOtaku91 @stvevan there are two potential games types it’s supposed to be. A) Sci-Fi BR of b) a Jet Set Radio inspired game. Given the leaker said there are standard and deluxe version; I can’t see it being F2P. And BRs that aren’t F2P don’t do well.