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Great game. Really high scores in steam as well

I have not played it the OG version. I played little bit of starfield and skyrim but never really got into both.
Is oblivion remake worth a shot, like especially as a first timer in 2025?

Thanks

Will try it out with GP and then likely buy on switch 2.
Same goes to silksong and THPS. Imo these are perfect games for portable device.

I dont like early access but since its basically a season pass including future campaign dlc thats not bad.
I am still not buying it tho. When dlc comes out and we will have more details then maybe

@OldGamer999 yes but so everyone should stop releasing games? There are big hits on sony like DS2 and ghost 2, there will be anticipated games from Ms like OW2 and NG4. There is a plenty of multiplat usually in the year end. Mafia 4 is also coming.

I dont see a problem, especially if you play via GP.

Fingers crossed for Gears collection.

@Kaloudz exactly. I dont recall a year before where every single month we are having 1st party or big partner game.
Thats where the value of the service is. Yeah you have those extra 400+ games on top but imo its a cherry on top as older games can be bought at a huge discount.
I just dont understand the narrative that GP became worse. It became pricier if you pay monthly - sure, but the value it gives as higher as ever.
And I dont look from an individual perspective when I mention "value". In the end of the day subscription is about having more for less money, and the "more" comes from day 1 games as those are $70. While I agree that people buy super big hits like GTA or smth for that money, not many can afford games like atomfall or expedition but I beleive they deserve it shot.

Also I appreciate having a calendar of releases with dates (or release windows).
That alone kinda changed how I look at GP as now I am planning for months ahead and know what to expect.

@fatpunkslim I think they could go all in on GP but they did not.

They could go netflix way and gatekeep all games under GP sub without allowing people to buy these games at all. Keep everything except cod exclusive. Slowly grow on PC/xbox/cloud.
Sure we would see better numbers for GP and likely consoles sold. Not sure if it would be better for industry.

@Brigurugi no way PS plus has a better selection games. There is also no calendar for upcoming games and no rules for which games stay or leave.

"Not only 1st party stuff" - then what exactly? there is plenty of 3rd party in GP.
And you cant rely on ps plus to play those sony excclusives as they can remove games at any point. Spider man and horizon were removed.
They also add only older exclusives which you can always buy on big discount.

P.S. just saw your GP core comment - I agree. Its useless tier and the only reason to exist is to allow the GPU conversion.

@dskatter notice that nintendo is bad for not doing more than 30% discount for older games that also sell all the time and get updates/dlc but Larian with BG3 are good?
just an interesting observation because I guess more hardcore audience adores BG3 and larian games and hate on nintendo.

@OldGamer999 i feel like GP is mostly for hardcore or semi-hardcore active gamers that like to try out and play many games. However a biger chunk of hardcore players are on PC or PS already and like to own games. Some are physical collectors.

I think even if GPU would be still $10 or so it wouldnt make much difference. Its for people who are already on xbox, its not a selling point for people who are on a fence what to buy.

I made a point many times that with proper use of GP its cheaper to own xbox+PS5 rather than ps5 only (assuming buying games that otherwise are on GP) but seems like many people just dont care or dont have time or just dont want another sub.

Most consoles players are people 25-30+ with kids and full time jobs with no time so they prefer switch and single player PS games

@OldGamer999 we won as we played it 4 months ago via sub.
So far PRO has been uninspiring and underdelivering for it cost to say the least.

I am sure if you watch the vid without knowing which side is what, it will be hard to correctly guess.
I also dont know many people who have 2 TVs back to back and both ps5 and pro to see a difference lol. Because in the normal usage you get used to the picture and graphics pretty fast especially if playing on a couch

@Titntin you wanna be out after SOM but before Doom? I think this year is pretty much almost every month is something decent.

@Nintendo4Sonic why not worth it? not interested in a lineup for this year? or you just like to buy instead?

@Brigurugi gold is there and its called game pass core. they replaced monthly games (that were bad anyways) with a static smaller collection.
Its literally sub that allows online games like COD if you own the game.

@GADG3Tx87 yes unfortunately for us xbox console players strategy shifted drastically with ABK deal. Basically, exclusives dont matter, GP seemingly far from a priority too - its just there for "those who want it". And marketing against a console basically.
I think not next gen but this gen is last. NExt is some form of PC - which who knows maybe even better, I doubt that but will see

What's concerning (I mean not news anymore but extra confirmation) - they talk service is stagnant and they only bring up PC and cloud growth/focus.
I think that's decided already within the MS gaming that they will just go full PC and multiplat and consoles probably dying out. If next xbox is not a PC in some form, I would be very surprised.

Seems like they can take a hit on GP just so they dont deal with consoles at all.

@Fiendish-Beaver its stagnant because consoles are stagnant unfortunately.
At this point nothing will move the needle for xbox consoles. COD and starfield did not.
Plus issues with stock and aggressive marketing against console. even Phil and eveyone else talks PC and cloud all the time.

I do think GP is great tho and its hard NOT to get your money worth with it.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner 2025 is the most value I have ever seen in the service due to sheer amount of day 1 games and the ones people actually want like COD, OW2, THPS, DOOM and such.

GP with conversions/stacking = unbeatable value that everyone who can find 2 games per year in the service (or 1 game that requires online) gets money back and all the rest goodies are free.
People just dont know about such things or dont want to bother.

Down the road, sure if GP gets price hike and they nerf all stackings - its more complicated question at lets say $25/month.

I think most people just either dont like subs overall or dont do their math properly.
You can still get GP for way lower than $20/m by using conversions/stacking.
You still need it to play online games, so if you plan on playing COD + online requirement = that could be already cost of the full year.
And starting from late 2024 and onwards with new releases every month, its very easy to make your money back.

I am not even that active gamer but got my money back in 3 months for the 2.5 YEARS of GP. Now all games like DOOM, THPS and such are literally free for me. Thats crazy and I used savings to buy a ps5 for exlcusives lol.

TLDR: use GP conversions and stackings and you can have both ps5+SX for cheaper than only ps5

@Nintendo4Sonic I would argue as we still can use conversions and stacking and MS rewards it becomes really cheap as low as something like $5-10 a month.
Unless you are against the subscription as a concept (which is fine imo), you usually can make money back by playing 2 games a year or so. And from late 2024 till now and onward, there are too many games so its very easy to find those 1-2 games and more on the service.

I said it many times, GP is not the cornerstone of the new MS strategy. Its the multiplat and selling games everywhere now. They keep GP because they committed to it and its a stable revenue every month. After price hikes and such, along with multiplat strategy I am sure GP is profitable (no one so far confirmed otherwise).

Whether if you need it or not is purely mathematical question (do you play enough games in GP to exceed the cost of it) and how interested are you in 1st party games, also if you like subs as a thing or not.

@abe_hikura on a PRO that is more expensive. And definitive experience is only on high-end PC for all games.
Ps5 PRO is one of the biggest marketing BS I have seen so far and pretty much only fanboys fell for it. Its a paid beta test of PSSR which will be improved drastically in the PS6 that comes out in couple of years anyway.

Thats my impression of the PRO so far (I owned it and sold it). You get a very minuscular upgrade for the very sizeable increase in price especially since base ps5/sx regulary have big discounts. There are rare exceptions but seems like overall it will be slight improvement for those who see it.

P.S. of course on push square fanboys already celebrate this is a win just because ps5 pro version is slightly better. I did not know that waiting 4 months after release, paying $70 (vs accessing via GP sub) and paying $700 for a PRO console (that only 10-15% of PS owners have) is somehow a win lol.

@Netbean its also the extraction shooter genre where process is tied to seasons and more niche than Battle royale.
I dont know, maybe it lives longer than concord but dont see it being a major popular game

Bungie is known for design and decent shooting mechanics and feel, but disastrous live service support. Destiny is dying because they could not figure it out in 10 years. They just cant supply enough content on time.
I am pretty sure marathon will face the fate of concord since its not f2p. Maybe it lives little longer due to its not being an exclusive but I am sure it will go f2p route pretty fast in a season or two and then slowly fade away.

@IOI bungie is 100% owned by sony. It is part of SIE. They did negotiate to keep their management and freedom in decision making process though.

Yeah at the point where xbox series consoles are out of stock and decline is worse than xbox one, i See 0 reason for sony to port anything to xbox. Why bother if in 5-10 years good chunk of xboxers will be PS players anyway so they get their 100% of revenues and bigger base

Yes because Ms doesnt want to sell consoles

Dead on arrival. Concord 2 basically. Maybe lives longer due to being multiplat.

I call it in a month or maximum 2n season it will go f2p due to lack of players.6-12 months down the road probably in death door.

The audacity to charge money for a derivative game that also released by bungie that dont know how to develop like service games. They could not handle destiny and its their only game in 10 years.

Maybe Q3 is when it finally be more or less polished. Pretty much almost 1 year after release.

Why keep battle net at all? I was pretty sure they merge it with PC xbox store and call it a day.

Dead on arrival.
Concord 2

i like ps5 main menu better visually than xbox, and also no adds. Beautiful pictures of games and stat like hrs played right there.
However, I despise how you navigate the menu on Ps. This is where xbox OS shines, along with guide menu - so convenient.

@Rodimusprime13 switch 2 is reportedly up to 10 times more powerful than 1. barely a moderate improvement. its a jump from subpar ps3 to ps4 pro. its the biggest across current consoles, definitely bigger than ps4 to ps5.
Switch 1 could not handle some ps3 games at all, while 2nd can run modern games like elden ring or cp77 and looks better than ps4 versions of these.

@Banjo- for paid upgrades we can blame Sony. Also a lot of 3rd party even on xbox still sold you those cross-gen editions that cost 70 and not 60 early this gen.

I would say $10 is fine for upgrade if its a really decent update or have new content. Like kirby will have new levels. Sony did good job with Horizon remastered.

Pricing will go up everywhere unfortunately. Watch for MS and Sony to follow.

Bottom line: Mario Kart, 3d Zelda, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, 3d Mario, Mario Party - sure even at $80 is very decent. A lot of fun, many hours of gameplay.
But I dont want to pay $80 for Gameboy ports, another pokemon reskin game or something short like Luigi mansion.

@HonestHick 449 is a great price as we are getting steam deck specs or even better (dlss and stuff), also screen is 1080p120 with HDR (not oled but very decent). so I have no problem with that. I also has modern games on launch when switch 1 struggled even with older games at that era.

I totally agree game pricing is a problem. However, honestly 70 was a lot already for many. Its not like $70 is nothing but $80 is impossible. I personally think there are games that bring so much fun and also long that irs worth 80-90 or even 100 easily. we all can name those.
The problems is games like luigi mansion (lets say 4th releases) and it costs $80 for 10hr of gameplay...I am not sure. And they dont go on sale.

I really hope for gears collection this year. E-day I am pretty sure would something like late 2026.
NG4 looks very sick and promising.

And silksong but I will play it on switch 2.

@Titntin exactly and its another reason why this xbox-pc hybrid not gonna fly.
I have way more faith in Valve and Steam OS because steam is a de-facto PC store for 90% of players.

@Fiendish-Beaver for good 4-5 months till now xbox consoles are sold out in major retailers in Toronto, Canada. I feel like after scalper market ended in 2022, there were more opporunity to buy series S/X than today, and thats after MS released 3 new revisions.
thats just not right and seems like they dont want to sell consoles anymore as similar situation is in UK, Brazil and Europe

@BacklogBrad is it any good? I have 500 hours between 5 and 6. 7th looks bad for now

@Fiendish-Beaver I want to consolidate my gaming into fewer devices. Honestly, as own both, I feel like SX and PS5 are more of the same. I prefer xbox system but the more I play on ps5, the more I realize its not really worse. I do use GP a lot though, but I really think they are going to close all the stackings/conversions soon as well as increase the price and then I am out.

It just feels like next xbox console if its a SX successor to be risky, and not sure I want to spend 600-800 for a console just because of GP, or slightly better OS or controller.

I am curious to see the PC-hybrid and definitely be open minded as I have sizeable collection too (not 1600 games haha but big enough for me). So if they really can figure it out - sure why not.

But bottom line I just want 1 platform under TV and thats it. For now I have more faith in PS6 or Steam machine (or even mini-PC running steam OS).

It also hurts to say it as I have been fighting the exclusives for a long time but they matter, and still here and there you (as a gamer) want them. Like last gen I did not really enjoye last of us, but playing part 2 now on ps5 and its a blast. I think over time as it gets stalling its important to have more choice. And most choice is PC and then PS. as PC is a different beast, it pretty much leaves us with PS.
It will also be refreshing to be in a team that is not losing or glooming everyday and just exists. Id rather complain about concord failure and paid upgrades but will have more support and games.

@FraserG did you ever play uncharted, last of us, ghost of tsushima, spider man, GOW?

Aside of that (as I know some people dont like these cinematographic PS games) there are lots of great exclusives like ratchet and clank, demon souls, returnal, sackboy.

I went from ps4 to xbox one X and then seris X because I felt like GOW, spiderman and such are whatever. However, I still bought PS5 at some point and personally enjoyed those smaller/less popular exclusives thoroughly. I am just saying without fanboyism to be open-minded.

I do agree on GP model and preference to OS/controller.

@TheEstablishment IOI comment was that "brand is dissaray" which is not true. The "xbox console is in disarray" would be true. There is nothing to spin, they are a lot of console problems with marketing against console, fewer and fewer exclusives, poor sales, poor availability of consoles in stores, somn retailers ditching or shrinking xbox games sections, games skipping platform.

Again, not to say xbox consoles are dead or anything but there are too many problems.

Microsoft gaming on another hand will thrive and be successful, probably soon surpassing Sony Entertainment division (that includes PS consoles).

@BAMozzy I wish that would be the case, but Indiana Jones and Hi-fi rush are new titles that also went to PS. Hellblade 1 was on PS but 2nd is still xbox exclusive. There is no logic.
What is clear though, more and more games will be day 1 across all platforms. I bet all new games will be day 1 across all platforms next gen.

Best non-2025 game I played in 2025: Last of us part 2.
Best 2025 game I played: Ninja gaiden 2 black.

@FraserG will you consider PS6? Would you buy a traditional SX-successor console if it materializes given the new MS strategy?

I personally see next xbox as a traditional console very risky move. Like idea of dropping 600-800 for a console that MS doesnt want to market, provide exclusives and that will have less support, kinda meh.

@Fiendish-Beaver What would be your main platform when xbox console flops or gets replaced with PC-hybrid? It seems you are mainly xbox player but very pessimistic of next gen (which I agree on more and more as time goes on).
I know its too early but I am speculating for myself next gen between PC (likely running steam OS, maybe even made by Valve) or PS6. I for now see more reasons for PS6 than ever.
Will definitely see what MS does and how their PC hyrbid will work - who knows maybe they really nail it, but I have my doubts.

@WildConcept6 most of people still dont want PC in any form. Steam deck sold breadcrumbs compared to switch. I actually dont understand why people bash xbox sales every week when it has 30M + of series sold whereas steam deck sold like 4M or so in 3 years and somehow a success.

Overall I would not compare them as despite similar price point they are very different devices.

As a gamer I dont care about how fanbase or business will grow. I only care when it reaches a low point and cause uncertainty which is only xbox consoles within the big 3 console companies.

Also can you elaborate on "but then if a gamer just cares about exclusivity the best purchase for them will be a Steam Deck"? many people dont want any early access or beta versions. Most of PC "exclusives" would be older games or RTS/MMORPG/Shooter games that arent good fit for a handheld anyways.