
I've been thinking a lot about the next Xbox console recently and all the rumours that are doing the rounds about it - that it'll be more Windows-based, that it'll be very cloud and AI-based, and that it may even feature Steam support.
Who knows how true any of these will be, but I think it's a safe-ish bet that when the new Xbox console does roll around, it's going to differ - potentially a lot - to the Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S systems we've become accustomed to over the past five years. How can it not? Xbox (or "Microsoft Gaming") has a totally different vision these days.
The days of 2020 and 2021 feel very much like another era now. Sure, PC Game Pass was a thing and Xbox Cloud Gaming was just kicking off, but most of the attention was rightfully on the Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S - including features that have since gone silent like backwards compatibility and FPS Boost. Microsoft certainly wasn't pushing itself heavily as a third-party publisher and talking about "every device being an Xbox" as it is today.

Something changed following the mammoth acquisitions of Bethesda and Activision Blizzard. The whole vibe around Xbox as a brand wasn't the same anymore. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but I do think it indicates that Xbox has changed in a monumental way. It's on a new path now. The next consoles could take a very different form as a result.
I've talked before how I think the Xbox One era ended up becoming a testing ground for the Xbox Series X and S in many ways - the likes of Xbox Game Pass and backwards compatibility started during the Xbox One generation, but really came into their own when the new consoles rolled around. And, unsurprisingly, those features also transformed how we think about consoles these days - just look at how Sony followed suit with backwards compatibility on PS5, and how the Switch 2 was essentially forced into including it (because not including it would have been a disaster!).
And now, we might be in for an even more significant shift with the next Xbox console. For starters, Xbox is slowly killing the idea of console exclusives. Sure, PlayStation (and Nintendo) are holding onto them for now, but if Xbox continues down this path and it works really well, Sony's hand in particular may be forced at some point in the future. That might sound unfathomable, but here's what Moon Studios CEO Thomas Mahler had to say on the matter recently:
Simply put, the economics have changed. Making exclusives for one platform that sells 50-70m units or so made sense when games cost 5, 10, 50m to make. Nowadays games cost 100-150m and up to produce, so unless you’re lucky to be the ring leader, you’ll not be able to afford to limit your potential audience.
Given how much it costs to make the AAA games Sony and Microsoft have been known to make, you're not doing yourself or your audience any favors by locking players down to a specific box. Especially if you can't guarantee that your box will be THE box, which nobody can anymore.

Beyond just exclusives though, this whole thing about the new Xbox console being more Windows-based is very intriguing. That doesn't necessarily mean we're looking at a PC-under-a-TV type scenario... but there's definitely hope in some circles that we'll be getting something along those lines.
At the very least, it'd be great if this means developers find it easier to bring their games to Xbox consoles in the future. As a stretch goal, a lot of people want to see Steam, the Epic Games Store, Battle.net and all these other launchers appearing on a new Xbox console too. There's no evidence to suggest this is happening, but Xbox boss Phil Spencer has surprisingly lent his support to the idea in the past. Here's what he told Polygon:
Nobody would blink twice if I said, ‘Hey, when you’re using a PC, you get to decide the type of experience you have [by picking where to buy games]'. There’s real value in that.
If that was to happen, consoles would never be the same again!
Let's not forget about these Xbox handheld plans as well. Sure, the device we're seeing this year is probably just going to be an ASUS ROG Ally with an Xbox interface, but don't be surprised if the first-party handheld that's rumoured for 2027 takes a very similar form to the next Xbox console. Microsoft is trying desperately to integrate Xbox into every single device out there, and I feel like we could get to a point where all of these systems are essentially just versions of the same thing - the same UI, the same features, but in a different form factor. At that point, a console isn't just the box that sits under your TV anymore - it's your handheld and whatever else as well.
This is all without going into detail about the other things that could transform how we look at consoles in the future - how Xbox Cloud Gaming will continue to be pushed heavily, how the decline of physical Xbox media will probably result in a disc-less system next time around... we could be looking at a very different future for Xbox hardware.
But hey, who knows? It's still early days, and perhaps we'll find out that all these rumours weren't quite on the money, or perhaps Microsoft will have a change of heart and go back to the drawing board. Whatever happens, there's definitely a lot to be intrigued about as Xbox fans over the next couple of years - let's see how it all plays out.
What are your thoughts on this? Let us know down in the comments section below.
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If they take the full dive in and go full PC with their next console, I think they could sell a lot consoles.
Specially, if you can upgrade it like a normal PC. Me personally, I would use the money that I’m making off of PlayStation owners to make my console cheaper price than the competition.
Continue to ride game pass, incorporates steam and epic’s store to the console.
I think this could help push Sony to multi platform. Before anybody says anything yes I know Sony doesn’t necessarily need to do this. But this would help the company the brand, consumers, and IP out as a whole
The days of 2020 and 2021 feel very much like another era now
Thank the heavens for it too. Can you remember the Xbox drought? Now look at the platform. You're quite literally spoilt for choice, first and third party, and that's only Game Pass.
I have to agree with Thomas Mahler. The industry is volatile, it's hella expensive, and no one - especially developers (new and long standing alike) is safe. Change makes a lot of sense, and like I've said a million times before (to the delight of one particular beaver that frequents these parts) I think Xbox is going to blow our socks off next gen.
From everything we know, to the fact that new hardware (platform and handheld) is in the works - that will be feature competitive, possibly Steam compatible too - which also means even more support and an easier transition from PC to Xbox releases, and more, and everything between, is massively, massively exciting. I think people are going to be very, very surprised when MS unveils what they've been cooking - and there's going to be a lot of humble pie to go round.
Consoles have been due for an overhaul for years now. Hopefully xbox can shake things up. I believe the pc "console" revolution is happening regardless of what the big 3 do but I believe that xbox can be a leader in it with the biggest pc operating system and experience of designing a console UI around controllers.
I am sure the steam console will work great and lenovo, asus, etc will make their own. Microsoft can really deliver with a windows designed for this but xbox needs to be in control of that project. Office 365, teams, outlook, etc have no place in a handheld or home console pc.
Silly question but if the next xbox is going to be PC based and potentially upgradable like current PC's why would anyone buy one instead of a PC? Would I use the new Xbox to work on? Can't imagine so, but could I use my gaming PC to work from? Yes. I can't think of a reason I'd want to buy the next Xbox ahead of a PC other than console exclusives which aren't a thing?
I guess MS are going to have to do something to convince me I'm wrong.
@StonyKL if it is fully pc based it would essentially be a pre-built which is pretty popular for those who don't want to put a machine together. Designing one as a "console experience" would have some appeal. From Microsofts perspective buying a different pc that is still windows based would be similar to buying their xbox pc. It would still require a windows key be purchased so it really wouldnt be that much of a loss if you opted for a different windows based machine. I imagine theirs will have an xbox UI out of the box that will make this more controller friendly than straight windows.
But it's important to realize that microsoft isn't trying to make an Xbox that will outsell every other platform. If you choose a different pc they say "great! Thanks for choosing windows. Have you tried pc gamepass, the hit new Xbox games, or any of the other microsoft products like office, teams, etc.?"
@FraserG great editorial, love stuff like this. Out of interest, what would you like the nextBox to be? Or is that giving away too much...
If it's just a branded pre-built PC, then I worry about price. Cheapest ones right now are around $700 and usually behind Series X in performance.
As a self proclaimed tech simpleton I'm all for the console over a PC because I hate the tweaking and twerking. I want to power it up and play, that's it. So if they Frankenstein a PC and a Console where it's the console experience with the PC benefits I'm all in...but it's gotta be plug n play like today for me. Gamepass and Xcloud have been massive for me since getting back into gaming this gen.
I think next console if its a traditional console wont fly. Not possible to sell it with aggressive marketing against console, push to no exclusives.
They might come up with some cool
Features but its not enough. S/X has more Features than ps5 and no one cares.
I really hope its a PC-hybrid and hope these 2 years will be enough to launch something fully tested and working properly. Last what I want is a pre-built PC that is less flexible but has more problems than regular pc because of this xbox OS/layer on top.
I really just dont see a point in a regular xbox that has a ceiling of 20-25M max aside from GP but honestly multiplat strategy pretty much kills GP strategy so I thibk they dont care much about GP at this point. Its a more of a burden they committed to but dont really care about it because money will flow from sales on all platforms regardless.
Upgradable?! Never, we prob get two skus one big one for under the tv and switch model. If it does steam and is priced around £350 it’ll be hard to ignore if you are in the market for a gaming pc. I however gonna hold on to my series x for awhile unless next gen offers something new and original.
@Coletrain Thank you! Much appreciated
I think the main thing for me is that it still supports backwards compatibility in a big way. Let's use that as a base - if I can still play all the same games on it (plus the next-gen stuff obviously), I'm immediately interested.
After that... can I say I'm not really sure? I'm still perfectly happy with my Series X at the moment, so unless the next console is radically different with Steam support, Epic Games support, more Windows-like features - while still retaining all the greatest bits of what we have now - I don't really know how a new console can entice me yet.
I think I'm ready for a drastic change in the next generation 😅
I'd like nothing more than for Microsoft to release a "gamer's version" of Windows to compete directly with SteamOS and make Xbox "consoles" a baseline PC standard for developer's to aim for. But if Microsoft is going to manufacture Xbox "consoles" I don't see how they could allow Steam on them and also sell them at a loss with the intention of recouping money from game sales. The risk of selling cheap consoles that are used by consumers exclusively for Steam seems to high to ignore.
Sorry to break it to you, @Deshalu, but your idea is for the birds! You will not get an upgradeable PC that has decent specs for much less than a £1000. No way will such a console be cheaper than the PS6. Not a single chance! When it comes to making money from the PlayStation, you have to factor in the cut that Sony takes (30%), and then the fact that they will reinvest that money, not into the Prime but into funding the making of games. Microsoft will be seeking profit, not looking to subsidise the price of the Prime.
The other factor regarding an upgradeable PC is that is not what Microsoft would want. What Microsoft want is a standardised model that they can build their games for. So I highly doubt that the Prime will be something that you can upgrade.
There is a reason why a decent gaming PC costs at least £1500, and that is because the parts that go inside it cost so much. Whatever Microsoft do with the Prime it will either be a not particularly good PC if the price is low, or it will be expensive, but not as good as a decent PC. Obviously, Microsoft have the buying power to get the parts at a reduced cost, and they will likely set the Prime at either cost, or perhaps slightly subsidised. However, even with all their buying power there is only so much quality tech that Microsoft can include in the Prime whilst keeping the price down. So what is most likely to happen is that the guts of the Prime will be decent, but not top quality. It will undoubtedly be good enough for the vast majority, but honestly, the chances of it costing much less than a grand, and cheaper than the PS6 at that, are absolutely minimal...
I want a handheld console that can play on a TV but also turn into a VR headset.
Enjoyed the article, @FraserG, but here's the thing, why would anyone use the Xbox store if you can buy it cheaper on every other PC store front? Games on Epic and Steam cost less than on the Xbox store, either that, or you can buy a key from the likes of CDKeys for cheaper than you can buy it on the Xbox store. That's what confuses me about the idea of Microsoft having a system that enables people to buy their games on other store fronts. Sure, Microsoft would still get some money from the sale of their games, but they would be getting at least 30% less than they would if the games were sold on their own store front. Would they sell more copies of their games this way? I'm not sure about that, but they would most certainly get less for their sales than they do currently...
Honestly, @Kaloudz, what I think we will get, if Microsoft do allow Steam to be accessed on their console, is basically going to end up being a Steam machine, made by Microsoft with an Xbox logo on it.
Who in their right mind would buy a game on the Xbox store when you can buy it for £10 or £20 less on Steam? Microsoft would lose billions in revenue. I would say they're not that dumb, but they have proved themselves more than capable of making plenty of stupid decisions in the past, so why not make the biggest of the lot!
@Fiendish-Beaver you sir are 100% correct on the 30% that Sony gets. Sony also gets a cut on DLC.
Look at sea of thieves, came out how many years ago. Think about how much money Microsoft made off of sea of thieves alone from Sony only consumers, that’s not including DLC.
Them being able to do that with next GEN is very possible. Thanks to go on multi plat.
Also, I’m reading a response to Frasier, I think you underestimate the power you can get with everybody subscribing in your ecosystem, hence game pass.
Plus, DLC like Warzone, which is extremely popular is going to supply you with a ton of revenue, even if it’s being bought on another system.
You can then use that money to allow you to cut cost in building a console and make it cheaper for consumers bringing people over or subscribing to Game Pass
@Fiendish-Beaver I’m reading a response to Kaloudz. I think you’re stuck at looking at this from a console wars back in the day.
I think Microsoft is trying to look into the future where you can play any game you want on the platform you prefer with your friends. You can then stay in the ecosystem you like.
This is a win for everyone, even the corporations.
Then Microsoft, steam, PlayStation, Nintendo, and others can fight over who can provide the best features.
I know that's the concept, @Deshalu, but then Game Pass was the one thing that was going to transform Xbox this generation. It was supposed to hit 100 million subscribers by 2030. Nadella had a bonus structure that included growing Game Pass, and then had it removed when the subscriber numbers stalled at 30 million (and are rumoured to be dropping since then).
Despite increasing the cost of Game Pass, rolling Gold into Core (now Standard), and having the likes of Call of Duty on the Service, it only saw an increase of 2% in revenue last year. 2%..! That's pitiful, and the rumours are now circulating that the price of subscription is going to increase again in the not to distant future.
Honestly, I think people overestimate the value of Game Pass, and just how many people it will draw into the ecosystem. And remember, PC Game Pass is cheaper than the console version because on a PC you do not have to pay to play online. Thus, if Microsoft go the PC route with the Prime then they will almost certainly have to cut the cost of Game Pass, which will only serve to harm the Service even more...
No, @Deshalu, not at all. I have no interest in console wars not least because I own a Series X, a PS5, a Switch (which I never use), and a gaming PC that cost me £3600...! I don't have a single horse in the race, I have all of them. No interest in war whatsoever.
My point has nothing to do with who offers the better system. My point is that I cannot see how it is possible for Microsoft to introduce a decent gaming PC for a reasonable price (under £1000), and that if they do allow Steam on that console, I cannot see why anyone would buy a game via Xbox ever again because games nearly always cost less on Steam than they do on the Xbox. Plus, if Microsoft give us a PC, then that will enable us to pay PC prices for Game Pass, which means Microsoft will get less revenue for their games, and less revenue for Game Pass meaning that Service will suffer too.
Let me be clear, Xbox is my primary gaming console. I played nothing on my my Switch last year. I played only one game on my PS5 last year; Stellar Blade which I finished in May. I did not game on PC at all last year because despite having a PC that really can perform very well, I don't enjoy all the faff that comes with PC gaming. I like that I turn on my Xbox and it plays a game straight away. That isn't true of PC gaming. I have over 1600 digital games that I own on my Xbox, and I game on it every day.
My doubts stem from concern over what Microsoft may do, and the unintended consequences that it will have on their revenue, and thus on the service that they provide to us. I just don't see the Utopia that so many expect with the Prime as I just cannot see how Microsoft can keep the system affordable, and keep their community from gaming elsewhere on that system, which in turn hits their bottom line, and which in turn will be reflected in what Microsoft offer us...
@Fiendish-Beaver no I wasn’t trying to imply that you’re biased towards one console or the other. And yes, I did read and see the comments about they were hoping to get 100 million subscribers.
But them going multiplat will cover whatever losses they have and then some. I think we both can agree with the cost of games going up and tariff trades going on, I think it’s downplayed of the possibility of potential new subscribers for Game Pass alone could and will bring in money.
With that being said, I do see Microsoft acquiring more publishers/developers. Well, I do think that this is bad. I do think there is a bigger upside to Microsoft purchasing. Especially with them going multi platform. To me the pros out way the cons.
By the way, I am also a multi platform owner.
@Fiendish-Beaver I hope you know I mean by PC I don’t mean going all out and making something crazy. I mean the traditional upgrades from next GEN to next GEN but allowing you to upgrade parts inside like a PC.
making it to where you wouldn’t have to buy a next gen console in seven years you can just upgrade
A pre-built PC with [limited] access to Steam is certainly a possibility, but MS would most definitely have to sell it at a huge loss. Try building a decent gaming PC, with new parts, that is on par with/surpasses the current consoles for under £1000. It's just not possible. @Fiendish-Beaver is quite right.
Take in what the average console gamer is willing to pay for a console, (£550 tops?) and you're looking at a pre-built PC/Xbox [using off the shelf components] that performs well below whatever Sony have planned next - again, though, unless Microsoft are willing to take a huge loss on each unit sold.
It's also very unlikely such a system wouldn't be upgradable as MS would want complete control over the platform. MS can't deal with the disparity between the Series X and S, can you imagine the fallout of them trying to control a massively splintered userbase as it currently is with PC?
@Deshalu
"I mean the traditional upgrades from next GEN to next GEN but allowing you to upgrade parts inside like a PC"
It's a nice idea, but that isn't going to happen. For a start MS wouldn't be able to control the cost of parts unless they're completely building proprietary parts which automatically puts them in direct competition with Nvidia and AMD just for starters - a fight they'll lose, badly.
I would totally be up for a device that plays Xbox games, plays game pass, plays potentially Steam games, runs windows, connects to my tv, but still functions as a PC as well basically.
@Fiendish-Beaver I have a Xbox for two things: game pass, and Microsoft rewards. I’d still be using my reward points on the Xbox store. But yeah, Steam would be stiff competition. And a PC-thing without Steam would be a harder sell unless suddenly every indie game launched not just on Steam but on the Xbox store
@jesse_dylan
Basically I think what you'll see is just another Xbox console using off the shelf components, but with a system that is a little more open ended than your traditional game console.
All this "excited" talk of a pre-built, high-end PC with upgrades and an Xbox logo on the box for under £600 isn't at all realistic.
@DalamarX I agree and I'd be quite happy with that. People are pretty happy with Steam decks and whatever else. Steam itself was once upon a time going to make a Steam Box, which wouldn't have been as full-featured as something that will run Windows. Hopefully the architecture will be fairly open, such as Microsoft's own Surface tablets, which are way more open than something like an iPad.
@jesse_dylan
Regardless of Microsoft's sudden shift in the console market, I think it's always wise to reel in ones expectations.
@DalamarX no what I meant is when the Xbox next GEN comes out the parts that they put in the system would be what they would do and then if you want to upgrade your hundred percent correct that would be based on what consumers willing to spend to upgrade the next gen console.
So the baseline of specs that Microsoft puts in they could take the lost, which we all know that they do and have always done, so has Sony since the original PlayStation
@DalamarX quite true. The switch 2 has been a pretty big disappointment to me so far! And my expectations weren’t very high! 😆
@Deshalu
Speaking predominantly as a PC gamer one of the biggest drawbacks I here from console only gamers is "I don't want to have to keep upgrading to keep up with current trends". Are we now to believe console gamers have changed their collective minds on this? Sorry, not buying that one bit.
Also, the mass market certainly won't be interested in having to "build" their Xbox console themselves every few years. The success of consoles is based on two defining factors - cost and ease of use. Take that away and you're out of the console game. Microsoft know this, so no, it's not happening.
@jesse_dylan
Your disappointment in Switch 2 was down to not reeling in those expectations! 😉
Nintendo has its market, one built on the back of it's exemplary 1st party output, and no doubt the Switch 2 will prove to be successful.
I bought a Switch solely for BotW and Metroid Prime Remastered. I knew what I was getting in terms of performance and limitation, but damn those two games alone made the purchase worthwhile.
That being said pushing the cost of console games to £75 is not only typically Nintendo, but it's going to set the mood for the cost of console gaming across the board. Expect to pay upwards of that figure for next generation gaming. At some point during the next generation I've no doubt in my mind that the top publishing houses will be asking close to £100 for their latest releases on PS6 and whatever Microsoft put out there.
@DalamarX bro I get your point. But I don’t think you’re getting mine so it’d be like a traditional console spec wise with the next gen upgrade.
But according to rumors, it’ll also be PC friendly to upgrade just like a PC using actual PC parts. So essentially it’ll be a great easy friendly to access entry level to PC. But it’ll be Xbox operating system/HDMI friendly.
You do get what I’m saying, right? It won’t matter if you wanna upgrade or not the option will be there.
A $500 console/PC is easier to pay for than a starting PC roughly around $1000.
To build a PC that is capable of doing with the PS five and Xbox series X can do is $800 - $1000
@Deshalu
I understand what your saying, but upgrading a PC isn't like sticking Lego bricks together. You have to know what you're doing - and I can assure you the average consumer doesn't know and cares to learn. They want plug and play, not fiddling around with parts. While PC gaming is huge, very few move beyond that initial build once they discover it takes a little more know how in keeping up with the Jones's. I've a powerful rig, but if you look at the current stats on Steam alone I'm in the minority. Most PC users are sporting potatoes to mid-range rigs while no doubt owning either a PlayStation 5 or Series X/S under the tele as their primary platform because they couldn't be asked with faffing about.
You think they want a game console that requires taking it apart to then having to carefully install new parts? No, I don't think so.
Also, the mass market aren't going to spend £800+ on a game console. That defeats the whole point.
Game consoles - affordability and ease of use. That has been and always will be the key to their success.
Move away from that and you're no longer in the console market - and I'm quite sure Xbox users, even those who frequent sites like this, don't want that.
@Deshalu upgrades using actual PC parts alreasy exists, PS5 did it by using a standard off the shelf M.2 drive for storage but outside of that you would be very limited what parts you could use simply on the size and form factore alone. Take a look at GPU sizes and the higher powered cards are bigger than current gen consoles.
I never believed the ideas of Steam on Xbox or the next Xbox going full windows gaming PC, because that'd drastically change the business model of consoles. Consoles are subsidized hardware with the understood caveat of one store front and limited use compared to gaming PCs. My thought process was that the Xbox console design and architecture remains similar (just continues improving) and the big changes are on the backend with a greater push for play anywhere and an Xbox mode for Windows that brings PCs into the ecosystem. And then Sony revealed the PS5 Pro at $700 and Nintendo the Switch 2 at $450 and us now looking at digital games costing $80 standard eventually.
I am still not fully onboard with the idea of making Xbox more like PC (I see it the other way around where gaming on windows needs to feel more like gaming on Xbox), but it's looking a lot more realistic. Like Nintendo and Sony just solved the pricing problem for Microsoft. Both are pushing the limits for what a console is worth when compared to it's PC brethren. It used to be a massive gap of hundreds of dollars and now a Steam Deck starts at a lower price than the current gen switch. Upgrading to a good PC with comparable power to the PS5 Pro would only cost a few hundred bucks more. And these consoles still insist on being closed ecosystems and walled gardens without the benefit of PC gaming. Stuff like free cloud saves, free multiplayer across the board, multiple storefronts, mods, emulators, productivity, literal free games from several official sources (as in you don't even need a premium subscription). That's all to say, I can actually believe now that Microsoft could launch the next Xbox as being far far closer to a windows PC in an Xbox shell and get away with a high enough asking price.
All the pieces haven't fallen into place from my perspective and we certainly don't have the full picture, but if next gen Sony and Microsoft consoles launch at the price of the PS5 Pro, Xbox could get away with subsidizing hardware less and have a clear competitive advantage over Sony just by having a more open ecosystem (well an even more open ecosystem than that already have compared to PS). And maybe it is like I'm thinking and the Next box is still a traditional console with a lot of the work to merge them being done on the windows PC software side and the backend. And then the next next box where consoles cost $1000 dollars (because we've lost our minds somewhat) is where it happens.
Who knows? Literally. I don't even think Microsoft does. Nintendo and Sony as well seem a bit unsure of the future. The present state of consoles is a bit odd. They aren't really growing and they aren't even really competiting with each other for market share. Everyone is just upgrading. All three companies have already peaked in terms of pure hardware sales (including Nintendo who with the switch merged their handheld and home console lines and massively improved on 3DS and WiiU sales, but still at the top of their game had sold over 100 million Wii consoles and 150 million DS (I think DSi) Consoles). So where do they go from here? From a business perspective it's a matter of either charging the same consumers more or reaching out and finding new consumers to charge, but in both cases the traditional core idea of console is evaporating.
@WildConcept6
"the traditional core idea of console is evaporating"
This point from your post is perhaps the most salient.
@Ilyn you’re just talking about the ssd. I’m talking about the graphics card, ram, gpu, and more.
Microsoft Nintendo and Sony already take a lost on there consoles when they first come out. Look it up, it takes anywhere from $800 - $1000 to build a PC equivalent to PS5 and Xbox Series X.
Now with what Microsoft has been advertising it would make sense to make a PC with windows and OS Xbox in a PC size case. Which rumors are claiming a lot of it. Which there rumors we don’t know if it’s true.
It would pull a lot of people over to the Xbox ecosystem and Gamepass. While all that’s happening integrated it with Steam, Nivida Stream, and Epic store people will still come to Xbox Game Pass to test and try while getting use to the controller people will most likely buy DLC through Microsoft Store, pulling some from Steam and others
This is all a theory.
@DalamarX you said, “ Game consoles - affordability and ease of use. That has been and always will be the key to their success.”
I 100% agree. Now what if you could still make a console that continues to do that, but make it all upgradable for wannabe PC players that can’t afford a PC up front? We already established a PS five and Xbox series X is roughly $800-$1000 to make a PC.
Slap windows on it and all these other store fronts. And using Game Pass to catalyst consumers our way.
I think this is all possible
@Deshalu
Components are not cheap. Building a commendable gaming PC is costly and while that cost reduces from the initial layout GPUs continue to skyrocket.
Microsoft would also have to develop GPU's that actually fit inside their little box of tricks. Have you seen the size of current GPUs? The 5080 is the size of a house brick!
As I said above Microsoft would have to go up against Nvidia and AMD, a fight they would badly lose.
I mean no disrespect, but you're thinking is that of someone who doesn't really understand the upgradable PC gaming market and somehow think it's easy to apply to consoles at a fraction of the price. Sorry, but no.
And you're still ignoring the fact that the VAST majority of console hungry consumers won't want that environment.
It's not happening. Microsoft would literally be out of the console business over night.
@Deshalu
"Slap windows on it and all these other store fronts"
I know it's currently doing the rounds in the rumour mill, but I really don't think you're going to see Steam on the next Xbox, nor Epic Store and you DEFINITELY won't see GoG due to the DRM free nature of the platform.
Folk really need to calm down and start reeling in their expectations regarding the next Xbox from Microsoft. You're very likely setting yourselves up for a lot of disappointment.
Instead look forward to a competent game console at a reasonably affordable price, one that is a little more open ended thus allowing gamers to move their catalogues across various platforms - an expansion on what is already available.
All this talk about upgrades, having the equivalent of a thousands of pounds worth of gaming PC, along with all the store fronts and extra bonuses that come with and all at a fraction of the price is just pipedream nonsense.
Anyhoo I think we've reached the end of this discussion for now, mate. I've nothing further to add and I need to continue to read my current novel, George A. Romero's last before he passed: 'The Living Dead'.
I highly recommend it by the way. 🙂
Unless it benefits gameplay I don't care.
Give me a more interesting feature for the controller or hardware gimmicks or compelling games and I'll care.
Till then not interested. The platforms can offer services/other things with GPU/CPU/RAM changes. I still don't care.
PS5/Series X have given me no reason to care about them, gameplay is not happening, other priorities are. So why would I upgrade. Quick resume is cool but it's digital I don't buy digital on Xbox at all, I don't care to.
Offer more store fronts, still doesn't change the gameplay design, it's just more store fronts, it doesn't change what I want to see in games, better gameplay, not graphics, not artstyles, not story, not particle effects, not music, not animations, not textures, not resolution, not selling GPUs/TVs and the features they have to shove in our faces.
Gameplay first priorities, movesets of characters, interesting combat moves, level design ACTUALLY being worth my time, not padded out garbage, get rid of skill trees and offer compelling missions or level design for me to engage in, it doesn't happen so why should I care.
Microsoft has the services/game variety but I continue to listen to news and not care as it won't interest me. But I still keep up to date just encase to know what's going on, still use my Xbox 360 for OG Xbox or 360 games, Xbox One VCR on occasion to check it and Xbox One X for YT/Soundcloud, back compat OG/360 games and Xbox One games. Otherwise I don't care.
@Deshalu it's an interesting concept that a console could be upgradeable, but it would be a drastic redesign. Consoles use APUs rather than discrete GPUs so you'd effectively be looking at MS selling a bespoke upgrade product that somehow just slots into the chassis. I just don't see that. Storage yes, but we can do that now.
But, being more realistic, it will likely have the latest AMD RDNA or UDNA whatever it will be by then, and have hardware accelerated AI using FSR4 or 5, so it won't need to match the power of a high-end PC coz the AI will give the illusion of that.
I'm with you on PC storefronts though, I think they're going to do that. Just not sure how they tackle buying a game on Steam and have it run smoothly on a 60hz TV without VRR, that's gonna need some crazy optimisation tool.
@Deshalu I know I was only talking about the SSD as that was my point. M.2 drives are very small and their low profile form factor makes them a very good fit for a console.
Memory however can start go get pretty bulky when you add in heat shields than are on most decent dimms. Also what memory are we running, what speeds can the Mobo take? GPU's are incredibly bulky with the new 5000 series card being also half the size of a series X. How do we factor in cooling when you are replacing stuff willy nilly? How about power consumption or do we also now have to customise the system futher and add a 1000w psu?
By the time you get to all that you are just building a PC in a decent size tower and thats not going to sell the living room console experience.
I feel like Xbox took all of the good momentum they had this gen and ruined it lately.
@Fiendish-Beaver I don't know. I think that that's such an obvious oversight that MS would have some plans to offset that, or work around it. I think for me, I'd rather pay the Xbox cost and keep it in my Xbox library. But that's just me.
@Coletrain
"a bespoke upgrade product that somehow just slots into the chassis"
Certainly a possibility, but like you I also just don't see it. You're quite right that it would require a drastic redesign and I just don't think the console gaming mass market will latch on to it, certainly not when Sony and Nintendo continue to develop consoles that you take out the box, plug in, update and off you go. This may come across as a tad arrogant, but your average consumer just wants to plug things in and they work. They don't want additional complications or processes that require extra thought and faffing about.
Maybe Microsoft no longer plan to chase the mass market? I guess that should also be a consideration.
@NishimuraX yeah, even with the growth in PC gaming I don't think the majority are upgrade savvy. It takes genuine interest to learn how to do it and such a small proportion are passionate about the next Nvidia card or whatever.
The opportunity is in the software OS side, giving every gaming device the illusion of being the same Xbox. Which I'm actually really interested in!
There's two ways for growth the way I see it: include the PC storefronts and drop online paywalls, or make the Xbox OS the most efficient on the market (better than Steam OS) and put it in as many 3rd party devices as you can. I'm interested in both haha!
@Coletrain
I haven't used XBL or PSN+ in years and I refuse to, but that's mainly down to the fact I predominantly game on PC these days where these paywalls don't exist. MS dropping online paywalls would certainly light a fire under Sony's a*s. Sony would have to play ball and follow suit, or offer the end user something incredibly delicious to make PSN+ a worthwhile investment.
I'm still not sold on Steam et-al coming to Xbox, but probably because I'm still looking at Xbox as a traditional console.
Do you know how big a graphics card is, @Deshalu? I upgraded mine 2 years ago at a cost of two Series X consoles, and the card itself is longer than the full length (or height if you have it standing up!) than the Series X is...!
The vast majority of people game with a console under their television. You are not putting a 'console' capable of inserting a full-sized graphics card under your television. My PC sits to one side of my television, and would not fit under it even if I wished to put it there, but then I also have to consider air circulation too, so even if it were able to squeeze under there, it would be dead from heat exhaustion within a couple of weeks.
Like I say, people want something easy to use, affordable, plug and play, and that fits [b]under[/b[ their television. Not some ugly box that looks out of place in the front room...
@Fiendish-Beaver
"Not some ugly box that looks out of place in the front room"
Well that entirely depends on one's living room set up. My tower isn't ugly either!
But yes, your point stands. It is more about accessibility and ease of use. For myself high end PC gaming is as simple as doing up my shoe laces, but for many it's a complete mystery. (PC gaming, not tying one's shoe laces that is).
@NishimuraX I mean that's the utopia though right, a PC like experience in the living room without the need for a keyboard and mouse, no online fees, choice of storefronts.
I can but dream...
@Coletrain
It would be nice to have such a console, but both MS and Sony make far too much green off the back of online paywalls and subscriptions to give them up over night.
I bought a Series S for the sole purpose of having access to Xbox games, (mostly older titles), that I can't get anywhere else, but I prefer to pay for them outright. I've no interest in subscriptions, but then I don't even have a Netflix account. That's just me I guess.
In fairness, @NishimuraX, I quite like the look of mine, but if Microsoft were to make a PC, I would imagine it being something similar to the Series X, but 5 or 6 times bigger! Most people would probably consider something that big to be ugly... 😂
I mean that's the utopia though right, a PC like experience in the living room without the need for a keyboard and mouse, no online fees, choice of storefronts.
This has been my argument all along, @NishimuraX & @Coletrain. It all sounds lovely, but can it be achieved at an affordable price point? Sure, Microsoft can do this, but it won't come cheap...
@Fiendish-Beaver
"but can it be achieved at an affordable price point?"
I would say no, it cannot, not without taking a huge loss on each unit sold. Are MS prepared to do that is the question.
@Fiendish-Beaver all rumours point towards this being the goal, the one that really sells it for me is the WIN32 development environment.
That either means they're opening storefronts, OR they're keeping a traditional console model but happy with much lower sales on the basis that Devs will support Xbox better because they are effectively creating one version of a game that will run on a windows console, pc or handheld.
If they don't do open storefronts on a console then Xbox games are gonna have to match or beat steam prices to make a meaningful impact.
I think this is the next natural step in xbox evolution. Consoles have been getting closer and closer to PCs for a long time now, at least hardware wise. Long are the days of specialized CPU like the cell processor used in PS3 or Gamecube's IBM Risc.
Being able to play PC games without having to port them to xbox could potentially be a huge win, even more so if MS allows other stores like steam and epic (personally I'm rooting for GOG). Let's hope that MS doesn't screw this up
@Fiendish-Beaver Im right with you there, I have a NZXT H710 case in red and black with all the rgb inside running Red. I obviously like the look of my tower but they aint small.
PC: 516h x 230w x 494d
SX: 301h x 151w x 151d
PS: 390h x 104w x 260d
One of those is a hell of a lot bigger than the others and aint fitting in the lounge easily.
Windows based new Xbox with steam support sounds great (to me) if priced affordable.
I am ready to buy upcoming xbox instead of an overpriced graphics card.
I'm over the $1000+ incremental bi-annual graphics card updates for PC and I'm REALLY over the console "wars" at this point. What I want is an Xbox that acts like my ROG Ally: all of my Xbox stuff, Steam stuff, Epic Store stuff, and GOG stuff, all in one box. If it has a portable component to it, great, but I'd love a set top box that does all of the above and I've got $800 or more to throw at it. I don't care if its 5090 level graphics because honestly, I can barely tell the difference between my 3xxx card and my 5080. I want 4K60 and I'm happy.
Right now, Game Pass is still by far the best value in gaming for my household. We have every console + PC and the Xbox still absolutely reigns supreme. My kids shrug at the news of the Switch 2 and haven't touched the PS5 in months, but the 8-10 new GP games every month keep them from getting bored. I'm continually amazed at the sheer diversity of titles we're getting for $20/month here. Yeah, a lot of it is indie stuff, but for whatever reason, that "indie stuff" resonates more with my kids than almost any AAA title. The ONLY game we've bought in the past 9 months was Monster Hunter Wilds, all the rest have been on Game Pass.
The future for Xbox is a lot brighter than the average console warrior seems to grasp. I blame Sega vs Nintendo for that mindset. It's time we all moved on, every other industry has.
@Deshalu
I would love that!
@Fiendish-Beaver What would be your main platform when xbox console flops or gets replaced with PC-hybrid? It seems you are mainly xbox player but very pessimistic of next gen (which I agree on more and more as time goes on).
I know its too early but I am speculating for myself next gen between PC (likely running steam OS, maybe even made by Valve) or PS6. I for now see more reasons for PS6 than ever.
Will definitely see what MS does and how their PC hyrbid will work - who knows maybe they really nail it, but I have my doubts.
@FraserG will you consider PS6? Would you buy a traditional SX-successor console if it materializes given the new MS strategy?
I personally see next xbox as a traditional console very risky move. Like idea of dropping 600-800 for a console that MS doesnt want to market, provide exclusives and that will have less support, kinda meh.
@Millionski It's hard to say. There's nothing about a PS5 that's ever really appealed to me - I occasionally play my PS4, and that's about enough. Aside from Astro Bot, I can't think of any exclusive I'd be that bothered about on PS5. The same would likely go for PS6, although who knows...
The main thing is that I wouldn't want to ditch the Game Pass model now. That's the big reason why I'll stay loyal to Xbox consoles (aside from the fact I work for an Xbox-focused site!).
I will definitely be getting the PS6, @Millionski. Of that I have absolutely no doubt as it was never in question. I already have a very capable gaming PC, but I just don't enjoy all the faff that comes with PC gaming as it is no where near as simple as turning on a console and just playing!
As for the Xbox, that is where I start to question what I will do. I have an extensive digital library (over 1600 games), and I much prefer the Xbox controller, albeit I have the Elite 2. What I will say is that I have always had my Xbox as my primary console, and moving away from that after more than 20 years will be very difficult for me.
Truthfully, knowing what I am like, and despite having absolutely no faith in Microsoft when it comes to them supporting their consoles, and despite not being a particularly big Game Pass user, I will probably still buy their next console. Mostly because I am weak of will. I like the most modern tech, and moving away from the strong allegiance I have to Xbox will probably be too much for me. I will likely cave very quickly, and end up pre-ordering whatever the Prime turns out to be. I may even be unhappy with myself, but I'll still likely do it... 🤪
@FraserG did you ever play uncharted, last of us, ghost of tsushima, spider man, GOW?
Aside of that (as I know some people dont like these cinematographic PS games) there are lots of great exclusives like ratchet and clank, demon souls, returnal, sackboy.
I went from ps4 to xbox one X and then seris X because I felt like GOW, spiderman and such are whatever. However, I still bought PS5 at some point and personally enjoyed those smaller/less popular exclusives thoroughly. I am just saying without fanboyism to be open-minded.
I do agree on GP model and preference to OS/controller.
@Fiendish-Beaver I want to consolidate my gaming into fewer devices. Honestly, as own both, I feel like SX and PS5 are more of the same. I prefer xbox system but the more I play on ps5, the more I realize its not really worse. I do use GP a lot though, but I really think they are going to close all the stackings/conversions soon as well as increase the price and then I am out.
It just feels like next xbox console if its a SX successor to be risky, and not sure I want to spend 600-800 for a console just because of GP, or slightly better OS or controller.
I am curious to see the PC-hybrid and definitely be open minded as I have sizeable collection too (not 1600 games haha but big enough for me). So if they really can figure it out - sure why not.
But bottom line I just want 1 platform under TV and thats it. For now I have more faith in PS6 or Steam machine (or even mini-PC running steam OS).
It also hurts to say it as I have been fighting the exclusives for a long time but they matter, and still here and there you (as a gamer) want them. Like last gen I did not really enjoye last of us, but playing part 2 now on ps5 and its a blast. I think over time as it gets stalling its important to have more choice. And most choice is PC and then PS. as PC is a different beast, it pretty much leaves us with PS.
It will also be refreshing to be in a team that is not losing or glooming everyday and just exists. Id rather complain about concord failure and paid upgrades but will have more support and games.
@Millionski Played the first couple of Uncharteds, a bit of Spider-Man, a bit of Last of Us, haven't got around to GOW yet. I'll get there eventually, but I'm happy to enjoy those on PS4 for now.
It's hard enough trying to keep up with all the new Xbox releases for this job, let alone playing on other platforms as well 😅 That said, my Switch OLED gets quite a lot of use...
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