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Very weird some are one week and others are two. The Game Pass Deals make sense since they're weekly, but yeah, might be another 2 weeks before the Lunar Sale.

I do believe they will stop making discs and I do believe that'll be what kills the brand. Despite what their PR claims, they've shown the opposite of games preservation - Microsoft not only doesn't bother getting older games relisted or prevent delistings in the first place, they actually delist their own games too. Not in a million years would I trust a company like that with a digital-only console. And they can't even get devs to bother making games for them now, you really think only having a digital console is gonna help that, or drive more off? Especially after the botched Xbox One launch?

I'm still on that Super Copium that Bandai will release ports of Digimon World Next Order and Cyber Sleuth Complete Edition on Xbox. Enjoyed all 3 games way more than any recent Pokemon entries.

And whatever their new project is, I'm sure it'll take 5 years to get it functional, and another 2+ for it to be good.

I hate how literally anything with a monster as an ally is a Pokemon clone, but for some reason it's okay for an entire Genre to exist that lifts ideas from, have the same base formula as, & is literally named after Metroid. Those are all cool to exist for some reason. And these people always ignore the fact that games had summoning and fighting alongside monsters before Pokemon, but I also doubt these people would know that.

I'd assume the 23rd or the night of the 22nd since that'll be when the current sale ends/is ending.

It's hard to say MCC just because it took 5 years just to get going and a few more to actually get off the ground.

I can't find a Match for Vanilla Reach BTB on the MCC but still could on the actual Reach before they shut down the servers so I just use it for FireFight and Daily Achievements.

I'll hold off until this game is long finished to try it again. I don't wanna entirely give up on it as a game, but I don't have much more confidence in Bethesda than I do in GameFreak in this day 'n age.

Honestly the more I think about it, if this is the reason a good few similar games skip Xbox, the solution would just be for Microsoft to throw money at it as usual. If just over 5K sales of games that range from $20-40 is enough to justify it, that seems like something very affordable to make sure they don't skip their Platform.

@NoLifeDGenerate That's my point though - regardless of if it's easy or not, they all see it as a waste of time. They see so little value in it, a company like Namco Bandai would rather just not take the little bit of time to port things like Digimon, EDF, or Gundam games to Xbox, which is insane. I'm still surprised Xbox even got Digimon Survive when they didn't bother porting over Cyber Sleuth or Next Order.

It really is a self-fulfilling prophecy of Xbox not having Third-Party support, which means Xbox underperforms for the ones that do give it a chance, which means more pull out, which means Xbox has even less Third-Party support, repeat. And no amount of acquisitions can balance out the fact that a lot of smaller to mid Western devs and most Eastern ones see the brand as a waste of time. I can only assume the reason Atlus & SE have started to bring some of their games to Xbox is Microsoft threw a ton of money at them, and they can't do that for everyone. If that was the case, I'd assume they'd have done it sooner.

@Kaloudz It's There's no official roadmap so I'm just going off what they've said in the past. Their '''schedule''' was the update in February, another for general fixes and QoL changes, the Dynamic Weather in November, and the last thing they mentioned sounded like a new area. Take it with a grain of salt since the said Dynamic Weather update was delayed, which means the last one they mentioned is too, and they're only really mentioning stuff within the month or so of it happening.

But unless they're REALLY behind or decided to make more changes, First Half or just outside in Summer 2024 seems like the general ballpark. Again, take it with a grain of salt, like you said, they're quiet until they have something to talk about. Which... is honestly refreshing compared to other companies over promising & under delivering by sharing things too early that might not even happen.

@Kaloudz Last update was November 14th adding Dynamic Weather and some things from the first game. iirc there's only one more big update they wanna do before full release, so it might be a little more than 18 months but not THAT much more. So unless something terrible happens I'd say plan on it being done first half of this year.

@RIghteousNixon I'm not necessarily saying they got nothing going for them as much as I'm saying they don't have as many as other people think.

Owning Doom, Fallout, & TES won't mean anything if Bethesda screws up again - Starfield was a big make or break moment for them for the public. Even even if Microsoft pushes them to completely redo it like Cyberpunk did (and they made the State of Decay 2 devs do), most people won't bother because of that first impression. Even so, all those IP including Microsoft's others run better on PC. Where as Sony's trash ports run much worse.

As for Game Pass, yeah, it is good. The Perks are garbage and they don't do enough Deals specifically for owning it, but the core of it is good. But Backwards Compatibility was good too, and they ended that for no reason too. The Rewards system was great too, but every week it gets another nerf. My point is, yeah it is good, but that doesn't mean anything to Microsoft. They've had plenty of good things going for them and chose to end them for no reason.

As for Sony, I don't follow them at all so I can't say anything. All I've seen is the leaked footage for Wolverine, and it looks like every other Sony game in the past few years. (Why does Wolverine need med kits and smoke bombs?)

I get the feeling a lot of people think I just hate Microsoft/Xbox, when actually I'm more jaded than anything. I bought my Series X for faster load times & because of BC, and within a few months they announced that ending. Between that and noticing a lot of games I want only skip Xbox, it's quite frustrating to say the least.

@eire-shabba Nintendo is way too protective of their IPs, even Second-Party ones, to let that happen. If anything I'm surprised Nintendo haven't okayed SMT V or Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 for the Xbox.

@Kaloudz It won't have been 18 months until March. I could see them keeping it a month or two longer if they're a bit more behind than they'd hope, but I think the dynamic weather update was the last big update for Early Access.

Got the Streets of Rage 4 Mr. X DLC for 4 bucks I had leftover. Still waiting for the actual game to go for 10 or under though.

RIP, seeing "Xbox Game Preview" is enough to deter my interest completely. Same with Slime Rancher 2 and Turbo Golf Racing.

"It should be noted that Activision Blizzard won't be included, with details to come from those teams "later this year"." Later this year could mean the week after for Microsoft - less than 5 weeks was 'the foreseeable future' for the 360 store closing so how they view time is confusing to say the least.

@cburg What does Xbox have going for them in the long term other than the Activision acquisition? They were so hyper focused on that they haven't done anything else to grow for what feels like years. They ended the Backwards Compatibility Program and the catalog gets smaller with each delisting, the Rewards Program gets less appealing each day, prices for things like GP are increased, they're not doing anything to get more devs Western or Eastern on the Platform, they rarely convince devs to reconsider an Xbox release before or after it's been skipped - I love my Xbox, but I'm just not seeing any positives that'll matter until the next console Gen. And so much good or bad could happen in that time.

@nomither6 " not everyone cares about weeb games or sony exclusives or playing games at a computer desk" Well I mean clearly they do considering all the other platforms outperform Xbox and Xbox is the only one without them.

@nomither6 You literally read nothing but okay, thanks.

Quite honestly I don't ever see them recovering from the botched Xbox One launch. Between that, the fact they have the support of next to no Japanese devs or Publishers, and the constant one step forward three steps back choices, it's not lookin' great. While Nintendo will always make consoles and currently Sony's PC ports are trash making console the best experience for their games, I really can't tell you a reason to own an Xbox over a PC. Backwards compatibility gave you access to some games not on any other systems, but Microsoft ended that and doesn't do anything to preserve the ones they do have. You don't need a console for their Rewards system. All their own games generally are made better, have more options, & get more support on PC. If there's no cross-play Xbox always has the smallest player pool while PC has the biggest. Their game library is the smallest of the 4 while PC is the biggest. Game Pass is better and cheaper on PC. You don't need to pay a fee for online on PC. Even if there were a few reasons, these completely dwarf them. If anything, everything I just pointed out says they'd be better off making affordable gaming PCs over consoles.

I'll get it a year from now when it's like 7 bucks.

A few hiccups, but they're handling it much better than 343 with Halo.

Can confirm that it's one of the few things they're spot on with. Though it seems there's a bit of a loophole when it comes to 360 digital titles. See originally there wasn't such a thing, and all purchases were final, but that's not the case now. So if you've refunded a BC 360 game, say Shank 2 or the OG Dead Space, and still have the 360 hardware? You own it there still and got the refund. If anything that might be the singular reason they're closing the storefront.

Can they re-list The Cave & Iron Brigade as to not only be available through GP, or would that be a choice Microsoft would have to make?

The same games as expected. Wonder what determines when/if the rotations change.

@Chuffer Oh what I said isn't related to Starfield, it was about meme voting and reviews, and how they can be good and bad. Starfield just... exists to me. I see more people complaining about people complaining about it than people actually saying it was mid.

@GamingFan4Lyf Ah, see I don't buy anything I haven't heard of in some way, and I can imagine a lot of games like that being in that lot. The closest to that I can think of is like, those obviously bad movie tie in games from the 360 Era with random meaningless collectibles, like the one for the Captain America movie you collected Fabergé eggs for some reason.

@Chuffer It's not just PC, it's a problem(?)/thing on console to. You get a lot of trash games getting 5 Star Reviews as memes, and I can only imagine a child crying when they get something from say that trash company that makes Shovelware w/ IPs of Kids shows like Peppa Pig & Transformers because of them.

The best punchline is that Starfield's main Quest structure is stuff that only makes sense in a Fallout or TES world. Why do I have to talk to someone, fly halfway across the known galaxy to squash some space cockroaches or kill some Space Raiders/Bandits, then fly all the way back to tell them? Do we not have phones in 2330 or any kind of messaging system? Then you have Bethesda's 'realism' excuse for making space boring when they have the aforementioned Quest structures, with tech that can jump across the galaxy in 10 seconds. And then what about the realism of needing to pay for ammo, ship, suit, 'n weapon maintenance, & medical care, when 99% of Quest Rewards in the game dwarf that, let alone enough to net even or make a profit? Realism my right...

@Sakai "... as if we have not heard them repeat it ad nauseum since before the game even launched. It's been months, is it not time to move on with your life?" Irony.

And Red Dead 2 got the Labor of Love Reward, it's totally genuine guys.

@Gamer83 The thing is, even if they couldn't work out a way to sell all those licensed games again (let alone also do stuff like bring back the servers) just making them backwards would be a big W not having them trapped on 360 only.

@ATaco This. Got my Series X near the end of 2022, and within a year they announced the end of the Backwards Compatibility Program, started the gutting of the Rewards Program, bumped up the price of Game Pass, delisted hundreds of games, & are closing the 360 storefront.

Took 2 days into the new year for Microsoft to piss people off, and I'm surprised it even took that long at this point. They've gotten quite brazen with enforcing bad ideas just because they got CoD.

@GamingFan4Lyf Now see, I view it as the opposite - Achievements & Trophies attached to things I normally might not do make me more likely to at least try them - maybe do a Side Quest I didn't think sounded interesting, or play a game through on harder difficulties. In fact it's the reason I rarely 100% Nintendo games - the reward is usually just a pop up saying 'You did it!' if even that. Well at least with an Achievement/Trophy other people can see I got the meaningless pop up, right? It's a small thing but it makes a surprising difference. And now if people find the whole thing pointless, they can just turn off the notifications for them games like they always did before the idea.

@Kang81 Same. High Moon Studios did the good Transformers games and Deadpool, relegated to CoD support. The people who did the amazing Tony Hawk, Spyro, & Crash Remaster Collections? Relegated to CoD support. It's just bad.

Ideally they do start adding to the BC list with Activision games, get reminded how well BC games do, and restart the program fully to mitigate the losses from the 360 store closing this Summer.

The 360 Goldeneye 007 Remake that got canned like a month before release.

@Xeno_Aura I'm sure if they wanted to, or Microsoft pushes them to, they could pull a Cyberpunk and turn everything around with a massive update & a meaty DLC. But Bethesda seems adamant the game is amazing and non of their ideas could possibly be flawed, so if such a thing were to happen it'd likely be Microsoft forcing them rather than doing it willingly.

Does new backwards compatibility count as an old feature yet, it's been gone less than a year and I already miss the idea of new games being added terribly. :'(

@eire-shabba Compared to recent years that feels light, and they're both really good remakes TBF.

I'll get it on a heavy, heavy discount a year or two from now. Instead I'll either replay Stick of Truth or play Tenorman's Revenge & Let's Go Tower Defense Play on 360, perpetually annoyed they're not backwards, in the meantime.

Really a shame Dark Souls 2 isn't backwards. Scholar of the First Sin is so wildly different there's room for both.

@JayJ Zero clue how so many people like yourself get indifference and disappointment confused with hatred. They're beyond different.

My favorite by far was Transformers War for Cybertron. Which is sad because without online the game is a shell of it's former self.

@somnambulance Huh. Well I'll pick it up next time 'round since this time I'm getting Max Payne 2 and funds are always limited. Thanks.