
It's been a couple of years now since Limited Run began working with Microsoft to bring a bunch of physical Xbox releases to market, and we've seen some great examples ever since, such as Quake 2, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge, Tetris Effect: Connected and many, many others.
However, there are still times when Xbox doesn't make the cut, such as this week's recent reveals of Felix the Cat and Rocket Knight Adventures Re-Sparked. Both of these are releasing on everything except Xbox, and it'll come as no surprise that Limited Run has received criticism from Xbox fans for making that decision.
In response to this, a couple of folks over at Limited Run have explained the reasons behind it, and they don't make for great reading! Basically, physical Xbox games fail to make enough revenue for Limited Run compared to PlayStation and Nintendo, and a digital port isn't viable as the company isn't earning anything digitally in this case.
Here's what the Limited Run CEO Josh Fairhurst had to say on Twitter yesterday:
"If we could count on selling 5,000+ of a title physically on Xbox, we could justify the ports without a digital stake, but we only sell those kinds of numbers on PlayStation and Switch. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Xbox gamers are digital first."
"It's not that we can't develop Xbox ports or that we're too cheap to do it, it's that we don't earn anything on the game digitally. Physical game sales are not high enough on Xbox to offset our development costs, so we have no option but to skip Xbox on these titles."
"When we do have a reasonable digital share in a game we're developing, we do release it on Xbox, but we have 0 digital share on these ones."
These comments were also echoed by another Limited Run team member over on Resetera, who explained that because there's no digital share in this specific instance, a physical Xbox version would likely lose the company money.
"The specific case here with these two titles is that we are not the digital publisher, and are only getting a cut of the physical edition's sales. The sales of the physical Xbox edition alone will not make up for the development costs of an Xbox version so it unfortunately just doesn't make sense for us to do it at a loss."
It's a sad situation for sure, but it's also an understandable one. We've known for a long time now that Xbox owners are moving away from physical purchases - after all, the Xbox Series S doesn't even have a disc drive! The good news is that there are still plenty more Xbox physical releases to come from Limited Run such as the Jurassic Park Classic Games Collection, Plumbers Don't Wear Ties: Definitive Edition, Gex Trilogy and others, but don't count on seeing Felix the Cat and Rocket Knight Adventures Re-Sparked on Xbox anytime soon.
What are your thoughts on this? Let us know down in the comments section below.
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Surely another publisher could easily pick these up for digital distribution? If they'll run on Switch I can't image an Xbox port taking a lot of work...
At least they're honest about it.
Shame as I have good memories of the Felix game on the NES, but it does make sense. I'll have to pick it up on Switch instead
Respect the transparency here, would love to see more of that.
The same thing happened with most of the games they showed in that presentation, really wanted Tomba on xbox but have to buy it on something else.
This but on a larger level does highlight why when people say "who cares how many consoles Xbox sells? You've already got one" that I get annoyed.
I've invested in an Xbox console, but in order for games to be ported to it the userbase needs to be large enough to justify the cost.
In this case, these two games won't sell enough given the smaller user base so they're not being ported - and many developers may have a similar thought about porting games to Xbox.
Yes the digital split being 0 in this case is a particular issue, but the high level of digital-first users on Xbox probably isn't as we can't be much higher than other consoles - the latest UK retail figures from VGC show digital makes up like 66% of game sales without taking into account Nintendo digital sales which are likely significant.
So it's mostly the smaller user base - and if MS can't turn that around this gen, then like last generation we'll continue to miss out on games except for those Xbox pays to be brought over.
I am slightly hopeful in that they seem to be making the right moves, and Sony appear to be struggling for first party games, but overall the cult-like devotion around the PlayStation still worries me...
They have been honest and business is business at the end of the day.
If someone wants someone to blame not that you should. Then it’s the Xbox model that Microsoft t chosen. Some of its good some not so good in this case.
Personally I don’t actually care about the game anyway, but I hope other third party developers don’t start skipping Xbox.
@Widey85
The cult like devotion to PlayStation is staggering.
The PS4 definitely deserved it. The PS5 probably years 1 and 2, also due to lack of competition from Xbox. But 2023 PlayStation didn’t do much for me and 2024 doesn’t look much better.
But the sales of the console are cult like crazy.
It’s brand recognition, spider man 2 and amazing advertising and PR that does it.
Similar to what Nintendo have and do.
@OldGamer999 I 100% agree about the marketing and the brand recognition but I think the explanation is a lot simpler than being a cult. MS had a rocky start with the Xbox One and then proceeded to spend the latter half of the generation pushing a sub service where people didn’t actually own anything (not criticising it just stating facts). PS4 had a solid start and then focused the entire generation on selling games.
We come to this generation and users are simply going to buy the system where most of their current library exists. More PS4 sales equals more game sales which results in more people buying PS5 to play said games. As genius as gamepass is, MS kinda shot themselves in the foot with it because it’s changed the mentality of gamers. You now have people referring to their Xbox as a “gamepass machine” and their PlayStation is where they build up their libraries. Most people’s primary focus is going to be the ecosystem where they have pumped the most money into already. Just my thoughts I might be wrong.
They are publishing clock tower on Xbox where they do get some of the digital share. But the fact that they can’t get 5000+ copies of sometimes physically. 😓
It is kind of self-fulfilling at this point though where if you have an Xbox there is no point building up a physical library because a lot of games skip physical.
Also I have only ever bought a Limited Run game for Switch as it feels like the only place it is worth something.
But yea it does suck for Xbox. For physical releases they are the worst. But that might be the only area where they are behind the competition in my opinion (and yea, console sales).
@GeeEssEff You may be right it's not so much cult-like but a simple following on of the PS4's success - but I think myself and @OldGamer999 were also more referring to the PS5 somehow becoming a bit of status symbol (at least in the UK and US) associated with wealthier gamers - in a similar way to the iPhone etc. - which is odd given that true expensive gaming is the really high end PC market.
And you're right, last generation was the worst one to lose as it's where everyone built up game libraries - it's very much a "what could have been" given everyone I know played on the 360 and if the One had been better they'd likely have carried over to it.
Instead, many moved to the PS4 when there still wasn't much tying you to a platform - and now people are too locked in, so either have both (I did last generation, not really seen the point in a PS5 yet) or stick to what they know which by last gen's sales is the PS4...
nobody wants to buy this games, especially on phycopy..
I never ever miss gameboy games on xbox. There is a gameboy for that..! Or any other handheld...
buy Digital
@Widey85 unless you're a massive fanboy ,normal people know how Important console sales are,but microsoft don't care about consoles anyway as its obvious they are gradually moving away from this type of business, its gonna come to the point if you want a game on xbox ,you better hope microsoft make some sort of game pass deal.
Honestly I don't really buy games physically any more. The only time I do is when they're 2nd hand and can thus get the disk cheaper than the digital version.
Games these days require online connections, updates, DLC, etc. so the disc doesn't really have the game like in the past. So really it just takes up shelf space, and turns it into a collectable shelf ornament.
@Widey85
In some ways the last generation was the worst to lose.
But no one lost it more than Nintendo with the Wii U about 14 million consoles only sold.
I think you can bounce back but you have to have something special like a hybrid console and also those killer games and of course a very good history of games and characters.
@GeeEssEff
I think you are totally correct and all the planets aligned for Sony going into this new generation.
But I will be honest and say even with gamepass and it’s good value. Microsoft still helped PlayStation at the start of this generation with releasing zero exclusives on release day.
It doesn’t me Sonys were great but they know how to advertise and PR very well.
As much as I like limited run games (I have way too many Switch copies) I always considered their Xbox initiative to be doomed.
I like physical as much as most physical fans, but I buy all my games digitally on Xbox.
Expecting otherwise is also expecting LRG to offer PC physical releases of every single one of their games, and they don’t even if they don’t have to pay anyone royalties to do so.
@Sifi did Sony personally hurt you? Or do you genuinely work for MS?
Every single post is a dig at Sony. It’s super boring.
I guess the bigger question here is how well do these games sell on PS/Switch? I'm guessing they are barely selling enough there to make it worth it, and Xbox will obviously be less than that. This is a pretty fringe case. If Xbox consoles continue to sell worse and worse, this could be the beginning of larger issues, but I doubt it will get that bad this generation.
@InvaderFromSpace I don’t think it will get to that for most games, you may see delays to Xbox release’s potentially from smaller developers who may have to prioritise larger install bases.
Maybe this is something Xbox themselves could look into.
I really wish Tomba was coming to Xbox as well.
Why doesn't Limited Run try to license some Earth Defense Force games to port to Xbox? They could do both digital and physical since the ***** Japanese devs don't like Xbox. This where I'd find them useful. Piss on Felix the cat.
Although i'm not interested in the titles mentioned, if Microsoft decided to produce a disc based series S i'd buy into physical.
Until that happens then it's digital only, for me anyway.
@Nic-Noc20th-C According to the leaked info last year, they're going the opposite direction. All digital Series X coming soon. I want to know why there's no 4TB expansion yet. 4TB NVME drives have been out a while. Yet another thing PS5 gets that we don't.
@Kaloudz It's more that it's just a reminder we have a smaller install base, and so are a less attractive target for publishers.
While in this case, the slightly-higher number of digital-only Xbox users compared to other consoles has definitely not helped, those numbers themselves aren't going to be a significant enough difference - it's primarily an install-base number game.
0.01% of owners buy the game = break even on Nintendo and PlayStation, not on Xbox.
I've no issue with Limited Run as it's an honest answer, which is better than many publishers who skip Xbox give - but it is just a reminder that it sucks being on the third most popular console, as we often get deprioritised, skipped by publishers or have performance issues despite the XSX being more powerful than the PS5 because optimisation work is carried out more for the bigger platform...
I'm actually more hopeful about Xbox than I have been for a while, as they seem to be understanding the need for regular games and showcases / directs - which PlayStation have lacked a little in the last year - and are hopefully learning a little to stop shooting themselves in the foot...
(And I guess a little because I'm planning a PC upgrade and if Sony announce a PS5 Pro and some must-have games I may end up grabbing that and being multi-platform again - so I'm a little less invested now I'm through Christmas and can afford to think about more choice again)
It really is a self-fulfilling prophecy of Xbox not having Third-Party support, which means Xbox underperforms for the ones that do give it a chance, which means more pull out, which means Xbox has even less Third-Party support, repeat. And no amount of acquisitions can balance out the fact that a lot of smaller to mid Western devs and most Eastern ones see the brand as a waste of time. I can only assume the reason Atlus & SE have started to bring some of their games to Xbox is Microsoft threw a ton of money at them, and they can't do that for everyone. If that was the case, I'd assume they'd have done it sooner.
@shoeses Except they can do digital only ports for peanuts now, so it doesn't make sense. PS5, Xbox, and PC are all the same core architecture now (Xbox even runs Windows), so WHY keep leaving out Xbox? Japan simply hates it. The EDF devs can't possibly lose money doing digital only Xbox ports of the games for the west. They just refuse to.
What's really insane though, is the EDF spin off games Yukes is doing. Everything else Yukes has made the past 20 years released on all platforms, Xbox included, even the AEW game last year. Yet, EDF Iron Rain, World Brothers, and WB2 skip Xbox. WHY? Who is telling Yukes NOT to port those? Is it Namco? D3Publisher? Sandlot? It holds no sense. Sandlot can make excuses about resources for porting the mainline titles, but Yukes not doing it either means there's something else at play.
I can't even begin to account the number of times I've commented on here mentioning the install base making it not worth while for a lot of ports.
When you have a smaller install base, especially to the level Xbox has, you have a smaller potential audience for a game. As that is a fraction of the overall install base. So why risk going negative? You're guaranteed profits elsewhere.
@NoLifeDGenerate That's my point though - regardless of if it's easy or not, they all see it as a waste of time. They see so little value in it, a company like Namco Bandai would rather just not take the little bit of time to port things like Digimon, EDF, or Gundam games to Xbox, which is insane. I'm still surprised Xbox even got Digimon Survive when they didn't bother porting over Cyber Sleuth or Next Order.
The numbers have to add up. Good for them being open and honest. Xbox is a very digital platform so I get the physical part. And personally I don't know what this game is and likely wouldn't have time to play it on gamepass even. They ran their numbers, saw it's a loss to put on Xbox and didn't. It's not Xboxs fault and it's not limited runs either. There aren't enough folks who want this game physically and it just is what it is.
Honestly the more I think about it, if this is the reason a good few similar games skip Xbox, the solution would just be for Microsoft to throw money at it as usual. If just over 5K sales of games that range from $20-40 is enough to justify it, that seems like something very affordable to make sure they don't skip their Platform.
@ValkyriaProfile I have Game Pass and buy a lot of games. So do a lot of others. Wrong.
Well why are we even talking about this ? Excuses
I buy a ton of physical xbox games but a port of Felix the cat isn't really something I am looking for.
Kind of similar to the jrpg xbox situation. Where collectors of limited run games likely already do so somewhere other than xbox. It's very hard to convince a playerbase and developers to both blindly embrace xbox.
I noticed even before the ps5 series Xbox launched that Walmart scaled back the number of physical games they had overall with Xbox taking the biggest hit. With the Xbox series S there is less reason no reason to get physical games anyways. Also lots to of developers have move away from releasing games on the Xbox one, and often either go with the Series Xbox or nothing. Given the success of the ps4 it will still get games, but on the flip side gamers are less inclined to upgrade to the ps5. The Xbox one has little of any new games and with the Series S being super cheap there is a big incentive to upgrade.
I never like to see a platform get skipped but I can understand their reasoning here. I wasn’t going to buy these so it’s not a loss for me, but disappointing for those that wanted a copy of the game.
Concerning.
Third party publishers choosing not to release a title on a certain platform for whatever reason doesn't bode well for the direction that platform is heading.
Ugh. That sucks. I do appreciate the transparency though.
@ValkyriaProfile
The article states Xbox owners prefer digital titles - that doesn't equate to gamepass only.
Personally I find digital games really cheap to buy.
Recently scooped up Baldurs Gate 3, Alan Wake 2 and Resident Evil 4, for 40 quid total.
I suspect there are many other xbox owners doing the same.
To be fair, the games listed were on Gamepass. I'm sure they didn't sell as well..
If we ignore back compatible games it's 417 games on Xbox and 627 on PS5 lmao and here's 2 more we can add to Ps5's count.
Just got notified that my Limited Run "Shredders" physical copy just shipped. Had to buy it on PS because they didn't expect to hit that Xbox sales quota to print those discs. If only they tried a "everyone pre-order x copies target and we'll produce the Xbox version" effort.
@MrMagic
That would mean, by the law of averages, that there are more crap games on the PS5 😁
@GeeForce Now let's apply that law to the PlayStation and Xbox exclusives on metacritic shall we? 😉
@PhileasFragg Until a digital store revokes your license because they feel like it....cough...cough... PlayStation....cough. At least with the disc, you choose when you get rid of it.
I suspect that the vast majority of series owners are 'gp only' owners, and thats why they have the machine. Im part of that problem, I dont buy anything on xbox, its there to provide me 'free stuff' via game pass (and Ive even let that sub expire) .
Ive always thought that the game pass buisness model devalues new games on the platform and feared it might lead to smaller games not coming to the platform unless they strike a gp deal.
Im not happy to hear such news at all. Wherever my preference is, I want to see as many games available to all platforms as possible.
I cant see this issue going away unfortunately.
@OldGamer999 PS fans would buy a paper bag with a PlayStation logo on it. It’s actually quite sad that they just buy it for the brand and little else.
@BaldBelper78
Same can be said for cars and clothing.
I might sound strange but for work I only buy Next clothing as I like that brand, price and quality.
But for all I know Primark might be just as good but cheaper.
@OldGamer999 Oh sure, it’s not limited to consoles. It’s just that the PS brand is a juggernaut that can’t and probably won’t be stopped. My concern is that it just makes PS lazy and resting on their laurels. Why make effort for loads of games when people will bit your product no matter what.
@BaldBelper78
We did see that last year and this year isn’t great for games on PS5 in my own opinion.
Just look at my last years play times.
2021 and 2022 PS5 just won but 2023:
Switch 400 hours
Series X 220 hours
PS5 35 hours
At the end of the day, the Customers who choose to buy a Series X and buy Physical copies of games are diminishing. The Series S maybe more popular and of course some will choose to play on PC so the ONLY market on Xbox is to those 'Series X' owners who choose to buy Physical - which is a 'small' percentage of the entire Series X owners.
If there were 10m Series X owners and 20% choose to buy Physical, that's just a '2m' market. Combined with the fact that these aren't massive sellers, they probably determine that the costs involved in manufacturing and distributing games exceed the potential sales revenue to determine its not worth it...
@Sifi this is an article about xbox ,my comment was about xbox ,whats it got to do with Sony or playstation, please keep your replies relevant to the discussion at hand,as you have brought them up though ,I'll address one point ,why would Sony move out of the console market ,when they're selling millions of ps5s ,even the ps4 outsold the series x/s recently.
@BaldBelper78 that's what branding is about from aftershave to socks ,people buy products with labels attached, you must know this ,or have you been walking around with a bag on your head....with an xbox logo on it....obviously.
@BaldBelper78 “PS fans would buy a paper bag with the Playstation logo on it”…..the Xbox fridge and toaster say hello.
@BaldBelper78 All brands have their loyal supporters, let's not pretend that Xbox is any different. The Xbox fridges and toaster are a thing after all.
Didn't this company fire and employee because she followed an account on Twitter that the company didn't like?
@Kevw2006 I am not saying they don’t. But the PS brand is phenomenally powerful.
@Mephisto2869 😂😂
@Widey85
I don't see an issue here. It is an economic decision by the developer. They say they don't think they would get 5,000 physically sales on XB.
With an assumed install base of 25 mln, that means that they do not expect the game to sell to .02% of XB owners. I am not sure a developer skipping the platform because they don't think they can sell their game to .02% of the platform owners is any sort of issue.
MS owns enough major studios and IP now that it would be difficult for a significant game to skip XB. Even Square is coming back to XB now. The platform is now guaranteed to have great content with the Activision-Blizzard acquisition.
Don't get me wrong though. I do get disappointed when I see a game skip XB. But at the the same time, if next to nobody was going to buy it, did it really matter? It sounds like this game may be suited to a GamePass release a bit later on.
This is why console sales are important. I have stated before that console sales aren’t important to Xbox, i was wrong. Things like this are down to one thing, Xbox sales are poor compared to Playstation an Switch. Also of the 25 or so million Xbox Series sold over 75% of those sales are the Series S! A digital only machine. It is also the reason Playstation get AAA timed exclusives, because they have a far bigger user base. They only have to offer to cover the 25% Xbox sales plus a couple of mill extra an devs will snatch their hands off for exclusivity deals. Xbox would have to cover the 75% Playstation sales plus a few million with only 30% sales coming back. They’d be signin a contract that guarantees they lose money. Xbox 360 an PS3 sales were close an Xbox had numerous AAA timed exclusives.
@cburg I also have gamepass and buy most of my third party games on Xbox. The Xbox controller and switch pro controller feel similar I like them better then the big white boomerang that is the ps5 controller.
Sad but makes sense. Great to just see the IPs again at least. I get the odd third parties on Xbox whenever I can't find a PlayStation copy. I'm still on Xbox One/One X so just picking up first party old games and third party whatever I can find but usually still older releases most new releases of current gen have been PS4 third parties or Switch first party/third parties.
As a physical only on Xbox, and no interest in using Gamepass I am an oddity/anomaly even if I have access to it. I like to own my games physical and well I never use the Xbox store unless it's apps I care to browse like the CD playback one I did out of curiosity. I stopped using the store on PC during the Windows 8.1 period. Nowadays it's a hog for updates and that's it. I have no need for it unless it's easier to look there then it is via a web browser which is basically rare as many things via web browser is more worth my time.
I thought my local big appliances/media store having no Xbox section (just cables now and downsized for I think PC keyboards and things now if I remember correctly or just cut that aisle out in general to make space) was bad but I mean digital on Xbox and subscriptions makes sense. At least GameStop/EB Games still has it but not others. Was surprised my department store with games besides clothes, printers/keyboards, toys, TVs and other areas still had an Xbox section to be honest as well if an appliance/media store can't.
Many PS/Nintendo gamers are still physical heavy or just yes userbase size of consoles. Those that seek Indies or particular old school IPs modern releases then Xbox gamers that I assume don't. A certain audience size yes but not as big as the others. Backwards compatibility is a sign on Xbox no doubt but with the types of games played on there let alone licenses that can even be approved I'm not surprised either why many wouldn't care or just Indies via Gamepass because most wouldn't ever bother to buy them and want to save their money or overlook the games entirely after a few minutes of playing or browsing.
I mean even when Wii U was active it got limited run games support still, same with Vita, they are just different audiences of people wanting games, collectors, or just people seeking out niche games unlike Xbox where I assume there is a sizeable audience but sadly not big enough.
It's why I'm glad I got Demon Turf physical only on Xbox, I was like oh that was interesting to research and find out and went sweet never would have expected that and would have Switch/PS4/PS5 but nope digital only on those platforms which surprised me. So Xbox One/Series it was.
So while not a limited run situation and just an Indie published physical and is a game I found in a bargain bin as I didn't come across the game when it came out only after platformer youtubers covered it later then those that talk about news regularly yeah I was surprised to find it and go yeah I'll pick this up it's worth owning especially if you never expect it physical on Xbox really even if it large stores and Indie publishers that do put out small physical runs of games to major stores.
That and it's a good game so why not. Another 3D Indie platformer. I am sick of Mario 64/Banjo inspired 3D platformers but then again those over Glover, Silicon Valley, Chameleon Twist and more. Yeah...... most played Nintendo/Rare games I know but man the ideas in the others are so much more exciting let alone inspired and only following the nostalgic ones for money or appeal or just furthering ideas/closeness.
I get surprised seeing just AA Japanese visual novels being there for certain periods of time so I scope them up when I can.
Let alone Indies or certain THQ games just getting into bargain bins.
I thought that companies made way more off digital sales... I guess Limited Run is the only publisher that doesn't hahaha
@ZYDIO I wasn't aware of instances where the digital one becomes inactive, but discs still work. Usually they'll close some servers, and all copies stop working.
@PhileasFragg Look up PlayStation or Sony taking away purchases.
“Ill wait for it on gamepass”
It giveth and it taketh away
Physical is dead. Just accept and let's move on
@ZYDIO I've looked it up, but can't see anything about digital games being removed, but the disc version still working.
I just see recent articles about them removing TV shows, but can't see what you were talking about where they removed digital games.
@PhileasFragg I was just talking about Sony taking away digital purchases in general. Recently they were taking away purchased TV content and in the past they've done the same thing with TV content, movies and music. They take away digital purchased games if you get in trouble on the PlayStation Network and it's only a matter of time before they start taking away purchased games from users libraries for the same reasons they were taking away the other content. It's all rented and they can take it away anytime they want. Digital purchases are not ownership. They need to pass laws that give us digital ownership rights and get the companies to ensure the content is going to be available for a very long time if not forever.
@ZuneTattooGuy Physical isn't dead if they're still printing physical media.
@ZYDIO So they haven't been taking away games. Just TV, music, and Movies?
That's a different matter as my point is games now are all tied into the platform and publisher's eco system so they'll shut down the game and update servers, and it doesn't matter if you have a disc version or not as it's all a digital passkey. I bought CoD WWII second hand the other week, and I still hade to download and install the 45Gb game to my hard drive despite the disc.
If they remove a game it wouldn't matter what medium you have. Unlike movies, TV, and Music which don't have all that, and so can be kept in physical form independent of an online requirement.
@PhileasFragg I'm talking about them taking away purchases because they want to, not because they're shutting down access to a game because of whatever reason. I'm talking about Sony denying you access to your purchases and/or removing them from your account for whatever reason. They have done it with games on people's accounts. They have permanently banned people from the PlayStation Network, shut down their account and taken away all of their purchases permanently. It's only a matter of time before they do with games exactly what they did with the movies recently and just decide to not have them on the servers anymore so they remove them from people's accounts. Not just Sony either, all of the companies can do this and probably will do this in the future.
@ZYDIO Just because they still print Blu-Rays doesn't mean that they aren't dead and on their way out
@ZYDIO Movies on disc still make sense. Game discs became pointless a while ago because of all the updates, servers, and DLC. Half the games don't work at all or are severely gimped without servers now. No point putting them on disc, and I hope they stop coddling the plastic hoarders in gaming soon.
@ZuneTattooGuy That is exactly what that means. If they are still printing physical media and releasing new content on physical media, the medium is not dead. On its way out and dead mean two completely different things. I agree that physical media is probably on its way out.
@NoLifeDGenerate yeah I get that, what they started doing was only including one disc and make us download the rest of it that is beyond the capacity of one disc. I don't know why they stopped including more than one disc that included the entire game. I understand they have day one patches and updates and whatnot, but they also stopped releasing complete editions or Game of the Year editions or whatever that included all of the patches and DLC on the discs. How hard is it to throw an extra disc in there and include the entire game? Also, they need to get out of the habit of printing discs before they are complete. The world can wait for a finished product. The plastic hoarders will have something to play when these companies decide to either deny access to purchased content or shut things down. Or even worse, if the internet structure fails in some way.
@ZYDIO Which is why I'd prefer them just pull the plug on the widespread physical releases and let them die with dignity rather than the code in a box ***** that keeps happening with most GOTY releases and some other full releases.
If things go all digital next generation, I will not be participating. With 2 exceptions, if they pass legislation giving us ownership of digitally purchased content and I will purchase digital only games if they are extremely discounted like I do now. I will never ever pay full price for a digital only game. I rarely pay full price for a physical game.
@NoLifeDGenerate Yeah that code in the box is bull$h!t, I will never buy that.
I don't know how I keep forgetting this. Digital games don't allow you to sell, trade, loan or borrow. They need to fix that as well. More proof that they are rentals and not purchases.
@ZYDIO No, that doesn't need to change. That's what the 24hr online check-in ***** was for that the clowns originally wanted on the XB1. Digital libraries are for keeps.
@NoLifeDGenerate I find it hilarious that you think your digital library is for keeps. Sony and Nintendo have already taken away entire digital libraries on multiple platforms each. It has also happened to me with Sony with my PlayStation 3 library. They console banned my PS3, removed all of my purchases and told me tough luck when they accused me of violating the terms of service by talking Schit on game chat. I did not have a mic, never used game chat, didn't send any messages and they admitted that they couldn't see or hear what actually happened. They gave me no option to appeal the decision, the decision was made before they even contacted me and they told me, "oh well, deal with it" basically. I had well over $1000 in purchases and my console was permanently useless online. So, what was that you were saying again about digital libraries being for keeps? I'm not the only one that has happened to obviously and that was years ago. And how can you say that when you are well aware of what Sony just pulled with the purchased TV shows? I bet you are one to partake in the "Kool Aid".
@ZYDIO Way to miss the point entirely.
@NoLifeDGenerate I have the same opinion of you. Would you care to explain?
@ZYDIO Allowing sell/trade/share would just make the service *****. Also, don't use your main account to play online. Ever. No reason to. Hide the account that owns stuff from all the trolls/hackers.
@NoLifeDGenerate So, I guess you have to sign in with 2 accounts every time, especially when you use different devices. Seems like a pain in the ass. I don't have trolls/hackers messing with me to have to do any of that. You are starting to sound like the Donald Trump of gaming.
@ZYDIO No, that's what the home console is for. Any account on it gets access to your games and gold/PS+. Learn how digital licensing works.
@NoLifeDGenerate I know how home console works. That's why I said what I said. If you are using a secondary account because of "trolls/hackers" and you want to play on a console that isn't your home console, you have to sign in with two accounts at one time to be able to play your games. I am very well versed in how digital licensing works.
@Qphlat27
Why does it suck, did you want to play a game about Felix the cat?
@ZuneTattooGuy Yes? Also, the more physical copies out there on all platforms, the better.
@Qphlat27
Yes because circular pieces of plastic with fractions of the games in question is super awesome
They're old NES & Gameboy games. You don't think they'll fit on the disc completely? Why are you even on article about physical media if you don't care for it?
@NoLifeDGenerate Oh, I figured you out. You are a Ubisoft employee or maybe it's even bigger than that, maybe you're a plant from all of the major media companies trying to brainwash us to make us think there's something wrong with physical media, because you sure are against it for some reason. The only people I know that against physical media as much as you are, are all the companies trying to make it go away.
@ZYDIO I already explained my opinion on discs. They're pointless for games and have been for an entire generation already. They were never a good physical medium to begin with. The 360 gen with all the scratched ***** discs for resale was terrible. Now I just want it to end because I see the writing on the wall. Stopped buying game discs early in the XB1 gen. Not early enough, since I still have Deadpool on disc and it pisses me off the digital isn't available. Still, I'm tired of waiting for your precious discs to get to the stores for the digital to unlock. I'm also hoping if things go all digital, there will be more incentive for studios to fix their ridiculous licensing agreements so games stop being delisted.
@Qphlat27
Because I love to be the constant reminder to physical media lovers that it's all coming to an end. Limited Run Games is just delaying the inevitable
@NoLifeDGenerate
To further your point, PC has been virtually all digital for years and you don't see big horror stories of them losing their vast collections. Just like movies and music before it games will be all digital too, it just makes sense.
@NoLifeDGenerate I do agree with your last sentence. I would be a lot more confident in the digital only future if that situation got corrected. As well as ensure that we do not lose access to our digital purchases.
@ZuneTattooGuy Cool, dude.
@Qphlat27
Enjoy your mass produced discs that hold zero value and are glorified inconvenient serial numbers
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