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I want to see what Microsoft game studios are upto. They've snapped up loads of developers, and it'll be good to see what they have in store.

But Fable would be a good start. I miss Fable

@BlueOcean I think you're losing the plot. I never mentioned dirt 5, never thought about dirt 5, you were the one that mentioned it.

And have you got proof most gamers want 60fps? Aside from a few people moaning, I don't see any. Most people cannot tell the difference, they have to go to digital foundry to find out. In fact, so obvious is it, that people thought animal crossing new horizons was 60fps until digital foundry did a check and found it was running at 30fps.

Its all in people's heads. But whatever. I'll enjoy my 4k gaming while everyone else whines a game isn't in 60fps, when if they want that as standard they should just buy a gaming pc where they can tweak the settings to their hearts content.

@Tasuki yeah but done forget kinect, while there were privacy issues after Edward snowdon went on the run after blowing the whistle.

Meanwhile people will continue to upload their lives to social media, and have alexa in their house, but the minute you attach a camera to a game console people think Microsoft are sat on the other end watching you 🙄

Although, the price didn't help

@BlueOcean where did I say dirt 5 will run below 1080p? I never said that. What I said was we won't be getting games next gen that run at 120fps. Hence assassins creed valhalla.

I also agree Sony priority is not 60fps, but I've already talked on this site at arms length that I'm not bothered if something runs at 30fps. A solid 30fps at 4k next gen, and I'll be happy. At no point when I've been playing this gen have I been unhappy with the 30fps standard we have now. I can guarantee you it won't be going anywhere next gen, you might get some games in 60fps but the majority will probably be 30fps. Developers will always prioritise resolution over framerate, and that's how it should be

@zane547 they could, but it depends how much they come back. The fact is, Microsoft will never outsell PlayStation 5 due to the fact Microsoft, in three generations, has not changed the fact they are only strong in North America and the UK. They are weak in mainland Europe, and non existant in Japan. That isn't going to change I don't think.

And yes, 120fps is something the average person doesn't care about, hence the reason I've told blue ocean Sony has been very down to earth in that respect. I daresay the majority of gamers don't care for 120fps either, a few whiners on the Internet demanding a high framerate doesn't matter when it's clear deva will always prioritise resolution over framerate. Which is the way it should be. I own a 4k TV, so I want my games to be in 4k, not 1080p like some people want. Otherwise I'd not have upgraded my TV.

Though I think Microsoft will have newer games this gen, but that takes time to craft and nurture. Hellblade 2 will probably be excellent, but it won't exactly be a system seller.

@mousieone same. I don't even have a Facebook account, I hate social media and think it's actually contributed to much more bad than good in society. And it's run by a lunatic with a messiah complex

Facebook? I don't see this going down well...

@BlueOcean we won't be getting 1080p at 120fps.

They have been banging the drum. The unveiling was talking about 130fps, the promo trailers they have talked about 120fps, their twitter account has been talking about 120fps, Phil Spencer has mentioned 120fps, their press releases has mentioned 120fps.

They have been touting 120fps. Its in comparison to Sony who haven't been doing that, and have been relatively grounded in that respect. Regardless, it's all about the games, and Sony have a stable full of developers who've been building established game series, unlike Microsoft. And even now, are still support Ps4 with AAA games, unlike Microsoft who bolted from this gen several years ago once it became clear they weren't going to gain any ground

@BlueOcean "apart from the 4k60 standard, I expect 120fps at 1080p at best and no 8k at all"

That is exactly what you said.

Well that's three great games he's overseen (haven't played tactics so can't pass judgement). I'm sure gears 6 will be just as awesome

I voted not sure. I'll probably warm to it as the release gets nearer.

How much? I'll stick to the inevitable £40 disk from amazon

@Z3u5000 lol wut? So what you're saying is that the PS5 gpu is weak? Is that what you're saying?

@mousieone sure. I'm just saying it's a possibility. There will be 30fps games on Series X from Microsoft, 30fps isn't going to dissappear next gen.

@BlueOcean there's no way in hell we will be getting 120fps in 1080p. If anyone plays in 1080p it'll be 60fps, it's much easier on the cpu to have a framerate at half what you are suggesting. And Microsoft may have said they want 60fps to be standard, but they've been banging the 120fps drum non stop. Unlike Sony, who I daresay has been more grounded and down to earth than Microsoft.

The Last of Us part 2 is absolutely amazing. I was wary of them making a sequel but they've really knocked it for 6 with this one.

The zero loading times (on PS5 anyway) is a game changer. Reduced input lag is always welcome but expected. I think when the consoles are out and standing side by side, we'll see what's true and what's not.

Its interesting that Microsoft is often talking about 4k at 120fps. We will see if the console will really hit that. People seem to point to ratchet and clank at 30fps, yet that was just a digital foundry article about a reveal. If halo is revealed to be 30fps rather than 60, that will be interesting

Listening? Okay, so where is dead space?

It can load as quick as it wants, all I want is an actual season to come back as it was instead of this volta football stuff

@KelticDevil I'd like a superman game too. The difficulty is getting it to work tho.

I have a psvr and can't use it. Reason? It makes me feel very, very sick. Very. Sick.

Also I have to wear glasses when I'm on screens as I get eyestrain, and I can't have them on with that headset on, so there's that.

It also hasn't been well used in games. Moss worked really well I thought, wipeout looked great but the visuals took a hit, and it runs at 720p. I have a 4k set and a Ps4 pro, so even if I could play it for more than 10 mins, VR doesn't outweigh the benefits of 4k.

Its also a complete flop. Psvr is the best selling headset and its only in single digit sales. Spencer is correct to not bother with it. A complete waste of time. Even if they do get games to really show off the tech, a lot of people (like me) get very ill playing it. Honestly, I wanted to like it, I gave it a go, but its a nausea inducing, expensive extra with games that are nowhere near good enough

@TheNewButler I played them when I was a kid and always thought Spyro was superior. But I also thought Croc was better than Crash too. That needs to come back.

Having said that, CTR was soooooo much better than Mario Kart 64

@BlueOcean isn't series s rumoured to be a digital only machine? Maybe that's why there's nothing on the box. Review tech USA talked about it anyway.

As for the Switch version, meh, despite flying off the shelves and game sales being sky high, us Nintendo fans are still treated like second class gamers. Probably be like Spyro was, a year late with an 8gb mandatory download.

I'm sure the game will be amazing when it does come out. It's good to see that whatever version you get when you play it on next gen consoles it will look better

@KelticDevil they do indeed need to nail it. Their last few games have been mediocre at best and Anthem was so awful I quite literally was unable to give that game away. And believe me I tried

The Crash trilogy was excellent, hopefully this will be too.

Toys for Bob did a good job on the Spyro remaster, so they should get a new Spyro game out after this 😊

@Heavyarms55 well said. Unfortunately, now its all about 'terraflops', when most people don't even know what a tf actually is.

The gap in power probably won't even be noticable. Most of it is all in people's heads I think. The games will be great regardless.

@BlueOcean not necessarily. I think we can agree that these two consoles will be expensive due to the ssds. I think both will already know what it'll cost, with possibly a very, very slight movement either way depending on what the other costs. PS5 is likely to be the more expensive, and I don't see Sony announcing price before Microsoft at all. I don't see these consoles being the same price.

If course, Sony could just be luring people into believing its the most expensive, only for them to announce a price that catches Microsoft off guard. It's possible

Sony have already said they will have enough PS5s available for people who want one.

Microsoft will probably be manufacturing in advance to have enough. Sony might possibly find it slightly more difficult due to manufacturing ps4s which are still selling really well versus Microsoft whose xbox one isn't really selling really well.

Regardless, I'm getting PS5 at launch, will get Series X later down the line

I can see it happening next month. If E3 was not cancelled they'd both have announced it there, but it has been. If its really coming this year, around October /November then they have to announce it soon.

I also think Sony will let Microsoft go first

There were a few rumours not too long ago saying that the next Batman would be based on the court of owls story. Anyone who read that knows how good that storyline was, so if it is true then we could be looking at a top notch batman game.

Seems pretty simple. I'm just glad it works with disks as well, some of us aren't ready to go digital just yet

Resolution. I want games to look the best they can be, I don't need 60fps, 4k at a solid 30fps is more than good enough. If the framerate can be 60fps at 4k, then I won't complain, but I'm happy with a solid 30fps.

Im glad developers prioritise resolution over framerate

I agree, it's way too small. It's too small even now.

That said, the seagate drive will be proprietary and therefore will probably have a high markup because they always do. I get that if they were using a run of the mill hdd they'd both have probably stuck 2tb in there but the custom drives (more so in the PS5 case I suspect) will be expensive as they are. Like, if these machines cost a hell of a lot of money, it's the ssds that are responsible. So if they'd have gone for more storage...

@roe nope, I'm perfectly fine with a solid 30fps.

This gen, I'm more than happy with 30fps at 1080p/4k than 60fps at 900p. Resolution is better than a higher framerate

Wouldn't be EA without some strings attached

As far as I'm concerned it's shepherd and her team.

Also I might have to break my rule of not buying EA games if this is true

Its okay. Tho I do like the original Xbox boot up, as has already been mentioned

Lol what? If it was built from the ground up for PC, that won't change, it'll still feel like a tweaked PC game. Besides, the very fact its releasing on Xbox later on means its going to feel EXACTLY like a port. By the time this comes out, I doubt I'll even care enough to bother with it.

Also, considering console gamers have carried Gears from the beginning, not PC gamers, this is quite a thumbing of the nose TBH

Not really blowing me away those shots. Doesn't look that different to this gen.

I had a PS3 not a 360, but my brother suffered from it. A couple times if I recall

Yes, just by the size of them, and being a technology company at their core, you can see how well positioned they are. And it's completely different from last time, when they were also well positioned but Mattrick blew it all, Spencer has really done wonders for Xbox. And to be honest, he's in charge, so the difference in this time and last is down to him.

Cant wait to see how next gen plays out. But firstly, the game reveals. Exciting stuff

@gingataisen I'm of the belief that developers will prioritise resolution over framerate

@gingataisen yes I expect that will be the case. You will get exceptions in racing games and such but the vast majority I expect to stay at 30fps but run in native 4k

Left 4 Dead easily. Kinda surprised Valve put that series on hiatus

At least he's being honest. However, I remain convinced neither console will launch this year. Depending on the state of the economy, a £500+ console might not even be wanted until next year

Will be interesting to see how they pull this off, considering England wasn't united at this time

You can bet that, despite Microsoft saying about power, most games will run at 30fps in 4k. This is probably 30fps too, otherwise they'd have blown their own trumpet

Not a problem for me. Someone else who thinks everyone owes him something it seems

Oh that's good to know. The more bigger companies like Ubisoft do this, the bigger the PR disaster it will be when others don't do it

Will be good to see what's coming. Can't wait

Its making Xbox One the cheapest console I've ever owned. I buy games on my PS4/Switch, but don't bother on Xbox. I just download them

@Incarna black flag was cross gen, they only stopped that with Unity. So they'll probably do the same here