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@Grot I am well aware of what I write. I may have posted a comment sarcastically but I don't do that often.

You also need to understand what a troll is. I don't know why you seem to keep defending the guy, I'm sure he's capable of looking after himself without you sheltering him.

Edit: I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you so I won't reply if you post so don't bother. I will just say the fact you were aware I was originally talking about KelticDevil speaks volumes.

I see BlueOcean and KelticDevil are still as obsessed with me as ever. Wonder how that is? Maybe it's the lack of Xbox exclusives they have to play or something 🤷‍♀️

Also if an accusation is made that I like to 'start up crap here', then perhaps you could back that up with cold, hard facts. And report me to the admins. Otherwise, man the hell up, and accept I will criticise and praise Microsoft in equal measure. Just because two members of this site like to get overexcited at the mere mention of Phil Spencer doesn't mean I'm going to join in.

Also, having a preference for Sony isn't 'starting up crap'. But yet one of those two hilariously said the last of us 2 had 'terrible gameplay' yet in the same thread admitted they haven't played it (so their opinion is worthless), and also praised Microsoft for not revealing the price of series x, yet claimed Sony was 'waiting, like a wolf at the door', to reveal theirs. Oh, and claimed the only reason Sony dominated with PSOne and PS2 was because they 'got lucky'. And also because piracy. And turned a tomb raider poll into an Uncharted bashing thread. And they aren't a fanboy?

I didn't like watch dogs 2, I hope this is better. I am interested to see how this plays out without a main protagonist.

Will be interesting to see if the later release date is due to them not allowed to announce the release of the new consoles or if they genuinely are releasing the game later on.

@TimG13 since origins the series has progressed into a grind fest with a levelling up system and pestering you to buy microtransactions. Even character wise, in origins it would have been better if you played as Aya, since she was a better character than Bayek. The series peaked with syndicate.

@zane547 I think it's more likely than not Sony are bringing Silent Hill back. Personally, I'd hope they've bought the ip, because Konami sure as hell aren't doing anything with it.

@Grot I'm not trolling him. If you think I'm trolling, you don't know what a troll is.

He just turns purple and has steam coming out his ears if you say Microsoft have relied on three ips and interprets it as you claiming Xbox has no games.

Having said that a comment I made it reply to him got deleted so I guess he went crying to Frazer rather than take what I said like a man, despite the fact I didn't even swear.

@themightyant I'd be very surprised if either are later than that tbh. I'm expecting late October/November for these two.

The rumoured surprise release was interesting. Considering the games aren't ready tho I'm interested to know how that would have played out.

@Z3u5000 there is literally no way this game can live upto the hype. I'm expecting it to be one of those polarising games in all honesty.

Assassins Creed has enough clout not to be overshadowed by Cyberpunk so if it is correct I don't think Ubisoft need to be massively worried.

But a date that late... Kinda makes you think it has to be for the next gen versions too, right? One or both can't be launching any later than that I wouldn't expect. L

The fact he's aware Microsoft has been all halo/forza/gears shows he's trying to address it next gen.

I'm looking forward to what Ninja Theory come up with after Hellblade 2. That's the only time they've made a sequel, so I wonder if it was them or Microsoft that wanted it.

@zane547 Nintendo are being silent for a reason, it might be odd but there's no way they aren't going to announce some new games coming at the end of the year

Nothing really, just waiting for Ghost of Tsushima next Friday

@Grot and what remasters are those?

This was never going to come to gamepass. Maybe in 2 years time, but not at first.

There was quite simply no need to put it on, the game is going to sell well regardless.

@Tharsman mid gen refresh is completely different to a new generation

@Tharsman because I bought a 4k tv and it could run them at a higher resolution /framerate. Which should be obvious.

What's the point?

@Tharsman Pro, why?

@GunValkyrie tbh I see PS5 storming ahead and Xbox in the dust. Microsoft have yet to be able to shift consoles outside of North America, with the exception of the UK. I doubt that's going to change.

Microsofts strongest gen is Sony's weakest, and PS3 still outsold them

@Tharsman I will get a PS5 for the next gen games, not current gen games that are backwards compatible.

Spiderman is the only confirmed launch title so far. The exclusives will be coming at a steady pace from Sony, along with the timed exclusives they have lined up. Microsoft has been a lot more forthcoming than Sony, but after this gen that's due to necessity

@mousieone well yes they have kinda mellowed compared to the past but the last few months Microsoft has really been trying to get people's attention with '120/60fps, 4k, reduced load times, worlds most powerful console'. Sony, in comparison, has been rather mute.

As for Nintendo, they just do their own thing. They never even bother to mention the other two.

@Tharsman sure. But how many of those halo fans already have an Xbox One? Doesn't change the fact that exclusives drive consoles (though not at first, those sell to fans), and Xbox will be sorely lacking. Sony will be able to point to all these exclusives that are only on PS5, Microsoft won't be able to do the same because they are on Xbox One and PC. You might want a series x for halo. I want a PS5 for spiderman. But cut out the people who live and breathe this stuff and what do you have to show them? A console full of games that are available elsewhere.

And I didn't mention the PC upgrade cycle because PC gamers are different to console gamers. With PCs you need to upgrade at some point if you want to be able to play games, and that some point is considerably shorter than a consoles now seven year lifespan.

@blinx01 yes I get that, but how do they lock you into their ecosystem?

Through the consoles.

@Grot Nintendo have a standard and, from top level management, a sense of pride in finishing their games. Iwata often talked about releasing polished games.

Other Companies could learn from that

@Tharsman phones and consoles are different though.

I get that a lot of people play the sports games or some crappy cod rehash, but exclusives also drive console sales. I know if I want to play spiderman miles morales, I have to get a PS5. If I want Halo... I don't have to get a series x or lockhart, I can get it on my one x

Considering in Europe their switch games are only released digitally (with the exception of monster hunter for some reason), and a pandemic that has locked the world down, I'm not surprised.

Digital is definitely growing, with or without a pandemic.

Yes but exclusives drive console sales. With Xbox coming out the gate with two different consoles and games that play on a console you already own, what's the incentive to upgrade?

Caught up in device competition? I do agree with him that people get caught up in it but it's the companies that stoke the competition, and recently none more than Microsoft.

When you see the PS5 case you know it's for a PS5. With the Xbox case people will see simply 'Xbox' and think its for Xbox One. Series x could be interpreted as xbox one x

Don't underestimate the stupidity of the public. Nintendo found that out the hard way.

Honestly I prefer the PS5 case. I would have preferred it if the plastic was white tho.

I like the Xbox case but it says series x then underneath has a massive 'optimised for series x' thing covering the art

@Dezzy70 I really doubt we'll be getting a surprise release. 3rd parties are working to get games ready for launch and would just irritate them no end.

Sega pulled that with the Saturn and we all know how that turned oit

@xMightyMatt14x I remember playing underground on PS2, that would be good to revisit.

I wouldn't necessarily think it needs to be remade, just have an out right new version. With Bam in it as well.

I think it'll be axed before the end of this year and then it takes them as long as it does to sell through whatever they have left.

Yeah they will be pumping out a lot of games next gen

Will be good to see how it holds up. I have fond memories of those games

I took that survey, I kinda wish they'd have made a massive error and put series s instead.

We all know its coming. How the hell we haven't had a photo snapped yet is a mystery that even Microsoft are probably bewildered by

@krvstkvlt I believe it has come a long way from when it launched, even eurogamer who gave it an 'avoid' have now said its worth a look.

@BANJO I don't know, a subscription service where you get free games in a country where games are very expensive is kinda something that would be attractive to people.

It could be pointed out that the install base is low so this isn't costing them as much as it would if they did it in, say, Germany

Yes it probably is. When you get it with gamepass ultimate, what's the point?

Gamepass is Microsofts future anyway, and gold on its own looks a bit of a dinosaur next to it

@Nomad yes I think Microsoft will go first, but both need to hurry up, the months are rolling on and if these things are due out in October/November then they can't be waiting until September to tell us

Yeah I think we all know its coming, there's no smoke without fire.

Will be interesting to see whether it's a full blown reboot or if it's set after the others. I'm not that big a fan on reboots personally, they just pretend the originals didn't exist.

I doubt it'll be Cyberpunk, the upfront costs alone must be eye-watering.

Im not expecting it to be Assassins Creed either because that game will sell well and Ubisoft don't need to go the gamepass route.

I suspect a fair few rumours to be doing the rounds as to what this will be

If lockhart is being unveiled in August then it makes sense for Microsoft to announce a price and launch date for both at that event, so I wasn't expecting a price this month. It wouldn't make any sense.

That's a load of codes ending up on ebay then

@KelticDevil and where did I say I don't like them? I never said that. I do like them. In fact I own them. Apart from Forza, but that's because I don't play racing games.

I have also seen people comment that Microsoft have relied on those three series too much. Yet the X symbol goes into the sky and fanboys like you are quick to assemble and jump down the throat of whomever dares to say something that isn't positive about Microsoft (in this case, the bleeding obvious). In your eyes, Microsoft have just as many exclusives as Sony, in as wide a variety of genres as Sony, with games releases as frequently as Sony, and it is mere heresy to suggest otherwise.

The fact even Phil Spencer has tried to address it is just brushed aside.

Also neither of us said Xbox has a 'lack of games'. Just that Microsoft have relied on those three series too much. There's a big difference in what's being said and what you are interpreting.

@KelticDevil big difference between being a massive Xbox fanboy and balancing the pros and cons of Xbox. It's not the first time you've made a fuss when someone's commented that Microsofts games have been lacking next to Sony's, and they have. That's something Phil Spencer saw and has attempted to fix by snapping up developers and getting them to pump out no doubt great games next gen. Because they have relied on Halo/Forza/Gears for far too long.

Also I made a reply to someone who mentioned The Last of Us Part 2. I never originally compared Sony to Microsoft. I'm here because I like Xbox and have an X. I still remember you and Blue Ocean turned a Tomb Raider poll into an Uncharted bashing thread and Frazer had to wind you both in. Hypocrite much?

I'll stay where I am thanks

Don't mind them in games, or in real life. Except for those huge ones you usually find in an attic that every now and then appear in a different part of the house...

This is really pro gamer, something tells me parasites like EA will be going purple over this. You can't knock Microsoft for this, Phil Spencer has worked wonders. Definitely the coolest guy in gaming.

@Medic_Alert I don't want another last of us. I think that's it, Ellies story is done. They made the game of the generation, they made it work somehow (I never wanted a sequel), but I don't know how they'll top this. Can't do a sequel, it wouldn't really work (I said something I shouldn't have if you haven't finished it and saw that then sorry I didn't think).

Also KelticDevil is a raging Xbox fanboy, so don't waste your breath.

Missed this first time round, will not be making the same mistake twice

@DaddyMike looks like another for the block list

Will be a major coup for Microsoft if they do it.

Whatever happens, please don't let EA get their filthy hands on them.

@Medic_Alert Fable was never a multimillion selling series that set charts alight. It sold well tho. I think this is more Microsoft bringing back a series that they know won't sell 10 million copies, but will sell well enough that they make money and, equally important, that they earn a lot of good will with gamers.

As for those 3 series you mentioned, yes they are good (tho I don't like forza as I don't play racing games), but Microsoft have rested on them for too long. That's something Phil Spencer has, to his credit, tried to address.

I'm not sure people will be willing to change consoles tho. Sony have always been strong, Microsofts best gen was Sony's worst, and a lot of people have gotten heavily involved in a consoles ecosystem. Much more so than last gen I think, as digital gaming has gotten more and more prevalent.

Personally, I see PS5 winning next gen by a large amount. But that's not to say Microsoft won't be successful, they will be.

@DaddyMike of course. The fact that there are some people who feel sick when using VR doesn't factor into the equation at all.

Also, there's an 'i' in carriage, idiot.

@DaddyMike 🥱 doesn't change the fact its only sold a few million. And that VR makes a lot of people feel sick. And that VRs biggest game is being modded to work without VR.