I think the issue with Sony here has been the inconsistent messaging. Do they believe in generations (Ryan) or don’t they (Hulst)? And what exactly does that mean anyways?
Recall that Ryan’s statement was made as a shot at Xbox’s Smart Delivery, yet now Sony is behaving (with HFW & GoW going to PS4) in the identical fashion that he criticized.
I’ve been video gaming since Pong. Trying to remember a console launch that had similar issues. Please enlighten me which ones?
The only example I can think of is the RRoD. Obviously that was not fixable by a firmware update. All of these other issues that modern systems are experiencing, like all of the issues listed in this article, will all be fixed with a patch probably within the next 2 to 4 weeks. I don’t think that is nearly as comparable.
There is way too much riding on the hardware being successful. One of the reasons the machines this generation are so massive is to avoid some of the mistakes of the past. Video gaming is the largest financial entertainment business in the world. With those kind of stakes, I’m certain each of the companies has top engineers designing the new machines. I highly doubt any of them now or in the future will have an issue like the 360 had.
I think it will be an interesting game regardless. I would love for it to be action RPG, but I’m also not against it as an MMO. I think the Fable world could definitely support that as well.
So let me see, work in progress, pandemic, that’s just Halo’s art style, it’s just the Sony ponies hating, open worlds don’t have fantastic visuals, YouTube compression, did I miss anything?
Guys - this game is FOUR months (at best) from releasing. It’s not going to improve visually/graphically before launch. Most games at this stage of development are hitting the final polishing/bug testing stage. This game looks BAD. No matter how you watch it. This was an awful way to show off 12 TF of power. Please stop telling me (and yourselves) that this was even OK looking. It’s objectively nowhere near “next gen”. It’s barely previous gen. Come on!
I find it incredibly ironic that in this specific article that the two of you continue to stoke the flames of console wars. One of you even said: “... when they know that PS5 loses the specifications war?” and also something about the Series X being faster than the PS5 - that had to be due to Teraflops measures, certainly not SSD and I/O speeds, right?
Come on guys - even Phil is trying to tell you that Sony is not the enemy. He’s saying the issue is over zealous fanboys. Read all your own words again. Try to do it objectively. Enjoy gaming!
“ It will be interesting to see what happens and what impact changes could have to our libraries...”
Interesting indeed! This would be quite a bold and smart move for MS, IMO.
My wish is that they would just offer one sub package ($15/month) and online is free. We will see what comes. I have to admit to being more intrigued for the 23rd than I have been for any other MS show/event in years.
The paranoia on this site staggering. What’s next? Pushsquare and Sammy are coming for your guns? Sheesh. The ability to read with an objective open critical mind would do a lot of you some good.
Honestly, what’s the end game for the “Pushsquare anti-Xbox” agenda? They want to kill off one of their own websites so they can reduce their overall revenue? Sheesh.
I’m pretty sure I recently read that they went to Activision because they were the only suitor who would allow Bungie to maintain ownership of the Destiny IP. Everyone else said no and insisted on owning it.
Dude - you make the rest of us Xbox fans embarrassed by your unwillingness to acknowledge any of the shortcomings of the “One” generation. Those shortcomings are obvious to anyone willing to take an objective retrospective view of this past gen. Your peacocking to anyone who dares mention those past failings has become tiresome and embarrassing. It helps foster that preconception of Xbox fans as rabid and overly defensive. Please - don’t be so easily snow flaked by any mildly negative (and FWIW - in this thread - accurate assessments) of past failures. Your hurting all of us who like ALL the machines - it’s sad.
So much paranoia here. I'm pretty sure Series X will be utilizing UE5 also. I don't know enough about system architecture to know if there will be meaningful gaps in performance between the 2 systems, but my hunch, and many years of watching "console wars" tells me no, at least outside of 1st party games - and then you can't compare anyways, right?
@KelticDevil "They will both be the same price & probably $499. And if that is the case, then it’s a win for Microsoft as the Xbox Series X is way more powerful than the PS5."
And the PS3 was "more powerful" than the 360 at launch. How did that launch period work out for the "more powerful" machine?
We just don’t know yet how the developers are going to make use of all of these new technologies/systems. Remember also that the Cell processor was so much more powerful than what was in the 360, and how did that turn out as far as a difference in games?
“And it's indisputable that Series X is more powerful.”
A lot of game developers seem to think differently. Personally, I’m just going to wait until after these things release and let digital foundry do their voodoo and then, after the actual scientific results are in, take stock and make a decision.
Let’s not forget that it’s taking longer than three years for one Sony exclusive to arrive on PC. And that one is there, more than likely, because it runs on the decima engine, which was used to make death stranding - a game always destined to be a PC title, so the heavy lifting has already been done.
I don’t think Sony fans will be too upset if all their exclusives have a three-year window on Sony hardware, if they even do eventually make it to PC.
And let’s be honest, nobody knows what that difference in how the games look and perform is actually going to materialize. We really just need to wait until we can see some games running on both systems to actually see what kind of difference there will be in reality. Until then, we are all just kind of pissing in the wind.
Sounds like sour grapes. Let’s just wait and see what happens when the games come out. We already kind of have an idea what Sony might be throwing at us, but I’m also very curious to see what Microsoft is going to give us with all of those studio acquisitions they have made in the last few years. I’m also not particularly happy that Microsoft is not releasing any Xbox series X exclusives for the first two years. I already have a 1X, so I see no need to get a series X right away.
I totally get that. For me though its also an economic decision. I can only afford one next gen console at launch. I'll start with PS5 - because it actually WILL have exclusives - and then get Series X maybe a year or two afterwards when funds allow.
I guess what I was trying to say above was that by getting a PS5 at launch I will have access to ALL games that might release in the next 2 years until we actually see the release of a Series X exclusive game. I'm with you on best gaming experience - that is why I've got the One X and PS4 Pro.
1. I've got an XoneX and no Series X exclusive games for 2 years - so no hurry to get the series X
2. While HZD IS coming to PC, I wouldn't count on PS5 exclusives making there way to PC for at least 3 years after release (just like HZD), if at all
3. Both machines will kick ass. It's going to be about the games. A PS5 allows me to play ANY game that releases in the next 2.5 years (6 months to launch, if lucky, AND I have the 1X)
SO, if the PS5 has some kick ass exclusives at launch or shortly thereafter, that seems like a no brainer to me; and then the Series X when it's true exclusives start to roll.
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Re: PlayStation Exec Congratulates Xbox On The Launch Of Psychonauts 2
@IronMan30
Nobody scrutinizes Sony?
https://youtu.be/_DKEhZfPepw
Re: EA Denies It's Planning To Introduce 'TV-Style Commercials' Into Games
“Currently”
I Cannot think of anything else to say
Re: George R. R. Martin's Involvement In Elden Ring Was 'Done Years Ago'
So I guess for the past few years he’s been doing nothing but working on the next song of fire and ice book
Re: Talking Point: How Do You Feel About Cross-Gen Games?
I think the issue with Sony here has been the inconsistent messaging. Do they believe in generations (Ryan) or don’t they (Hulst)? And what exactly does that mean anyways?
Recall that Ryan’s statement was made as a shot at Xbox’s Smart Delivery, yet now Sony is behaving (with HFW & GoW going to PS4) in the identical fashion that he criticized.
Re: Random: This Custom Cyberpunk 2077 Xbox Series X Is A Thing Of Beauty
That looks excellent! Love the added touch with the band logo on the stand - nice!
Re: Xbox Series X|S Is The Biggest Launch In Xbox History
Congrats MS!
I’m surprised it’s been better than 360 - just because of the stock issues.
Re: Here Are Some Xbox Series X|S Issues You Might Run Into At Launch
@WesEds
I’ve been video gaming since Pong. Trying to remember a console launch that had similar issues. Please enlighten me which ones?
The only example I can think of is the RRoD. Obviously that was not fixable by a firmware update. All of these other issues that modern systems are experiencing, like all of the issues listed in this article, will all be fixed with a patch probably within the next 2 to 4 weeks. I don’t think that is nearly as comparable.
There is way too much riding on the hardware being successful. One of the reasons the machines this generation are so massive is to avoid some of the mistakes of the past. Video gaming is the largest financial entertainment business in the world. With those kind of stakes, I’m certain each of the companies has top engineers designing the new machines. I highly doubt any of them now or in the future will have an issue like the 360 had.
Re: This Borderlands 3 Xbox Series X Is Real, But There's Only One
That is spectacular!
Re: Hardware Review: Xbox Series X - The Fastest, Most Powerful Xbox Ever
Is the external storage slot usable from the get go? I saw the PS5 expansion slot will not be active at launch so curious.
Re: Roundup: Here's What's Coming To Xbox In November 2020
I can’t be reading that list correctly. Is Gears Tactics the only 1st party new game at launch?
I’ve got to be missing something obvious. Help!
Re: Confirmed! All Non-Kinect Back Compat Games Work On Xbox Series X|S
Fantastic news! Brilliant job, MS.
Re: Gallery: This Is What The Xbox Series X Looks Like Next To The PS5
Lol! 73% of people prefer the design of a box. Wow.
PS5 Is big and is massive! I feel sorry for anybody who has to try and fit that into an entertainment center.
Re: Forza Horizon 4, Sea Of Thieves Are Being Optimised For Xbox Series X
Looking forward to the Sea of Thieves improvements. Nice!
Re: Rumour Says Fable Is An MMO, But It's Reportedly Not True
I think it will be an interesting game regardless. I would love for it to be action RPG, but I’m also not against it as an MMO. I think the Fable world could definitely support that as well.
Re: Microsoft Responds To Negative Feedback For Halo Infinite's Visuals
So let me see, work in progress, pandemic, that’s just Halo’s art style, it’s just the Sony ponies hating, open worlds don’t have fantastic visuals, YouTube compression, did I miss anything?
Guys - this game is FOUR months (at best) from releasing. It’s not going to improve visually/graphically before launch. Most games at this stage of development are hitting the final polishing/bug testing stage. This game looks BAD. No matter how you watch it. This was an awful way to show off 12 TF of power. Please stop telling me (and yourselves) that this was even OK looking. It’s objectively nowhere near “next gen”. It’s barely previous gen. Come on!
Re: Sea Of Thieves Has Now Surpassed 15 Million Players
Always thought this was a great looking game but never have played it. I’ve got game pass - downloading in 3...2...1...
Re: Phil Spencer: Xbox In Best Launch Lineup Position Ever With Series X
@KelticDevil
How about...no.
So no opinion other than yours, or one that coincides with yours is acceptable here? This isn’t your house. Piss off.
Re: Phil Spencer: Xbox In Best Launch Lineup Position Ever With Series X
@Z3u5000
I hear you - but I’d like actual release dates on those.
To me Scorn looks absolutely intriguing.
Re: Phil Spencer: Xbox In Best Launch Lineup Position Ever With Series X
Wake me when there are games I can't play one my One X
Re: Guide: Which Games Are Coming To July's Xbox Summer Demo Event?
@KelticDevil
That IS a big list of games! And they say more to be announced later, too. Dang.
Re: Xbox Boss: Aggressive Console War Talk Is Holding The Industry Back
@Tharsman @BlueOcean
I find it incredibly ironic that in this specific article that the two of you continue to stoke the flames of console wars. One of you even said: “... when they know that PS5 loses the specifications war?” and also something about the Series X being faster than the PS5 - that had to be due to Teraflops measures, certainly not SSD and I/O speeds, right?
Come on guys - even Phil is trying to tell you that Sony is not the enemy. He’s saying the issue is over zealous fanboys. Read all your own words again. Try to do it objectively. Enjoy gaming!
Re: Talking Point: Is Microsoft About To Make Xbox Live Multiplayer Free?
@BAMozzy
“ It will be interesting to see what happens and what impact changes could have to our libraries...”
Interesting indeed! This would be quite a bold and smart move for MS, IMO.
My wish is that they would just offer one sub package ($15/month) and online is free. We will see what comes. I have to admit to being more intrigued for the 23rd than I have been for any other MS show/event in years.
Re: The Xbox One X Has Officially Been Discontinued
The paranoia on this site staggering. What’s next? Pushsquare and Sammy are coming for your guns? Sheesh. The ability to read with an objective open critical mind would do a lot of you some good.
Honestly, what’s the end game for the “Pushsquare anti-Xbox” agenda? They want to kill off one of their own websites so they can reduce their overall revenue? Sheesh.
Re: Deals: Ubisoft Flash Sale Now Live On Xbox, Featuring Huge Discounts
Have any of the assassin's creed games been optimized for Xbox one X?
Re: Bungie Almost Returned To Microsoft Before Signing 2010 Activision Deal
@KelticDevil
I’m pretty sure I recently read that they went to Activision because they were the only suitor who would allow Bungie to maintain ownership of the Destiny IP. Everyone else said no and insisted on owning it.
Re: Rumour: Xbox Tells Developers They Can't Charge For Next-Gen Game Upgrades As DLC
@KelticDevil
Dude - you make the rest of us Xbox fans embarrassed by your unwillingness to acknowledge any of the shortcomings of the “One” generation. Those shortcomings are obvious to anyone willing to take an objective retrospective view of this past gen. Your peacocking to anyone who dares mention those past failings has become tiresome and embarrassing. It helps foster that preconception of Xbox fans as rabid and overly defensive. Please - don’t be so easily snow flaked by any mildly negative (and FWIW - in this thread - accurate assessments) of past failures. Your hurting all of us who like ALL the machines - it’s sad.
Re: Xbox Summer Demo Event Announced, Will Feature Up To 100 Playable Games
@KelticDevil
Yeah - I thought Scorn in particular looked promising.
Re: Guide: Everything We Know About July's Xbox Series X Event So Far
I think all of you are correct. No price announced but when it is, it won't be more than $499 for series X and probably announced at the August event.
@SuperNintendoMii
Would love to see a new Fable!
Re: Xbox Summer Demo Event Announced, Will Feature Up To 100 Playable Games
@KelticDevil
So help me here - which were the impressive games at the MS event in May (it's been a while!)?
Re: Xbox Summer Demo Event Announced, Will Feature Up To 100 Playable Games
@KelticDevil
Which indie games didn’t look good at the PS5 event?
Re: Xbox Boss Comments On Yesterday's Stunning Unreal Engine 5 Demo
So much paranoia here. I'm pretty sure Series X will be utilizing UE5 also. I don't know enough about system architecture to know if there will be meaningful gaps in performance between the 2 systems, but my hunch, and many years of watching "console wars" tells me no, at least outside of 1st party games - and then you can't compare anyways, right?
Re: Rumour: Xbox Series X And PS5 May Be Forced To Sell At A Loss
@KelticDevil
"They will both be the same price & probably $499. And if that is the case, then it’s a win for Microsoft as the Xbox Series X is way more powerful than the PS5."
And the PS3 was "more powerful" than the 360 at launch. How did that launch period work out for the "more powerful" machine?
Re: According To Microsoft, This Is Why The Xbox Series X Looks Like A Fridge
I don’t care what the reason is, I really like the design as it is. I think it’s pretty cool looking!
Re: Sizeable Twitter Poll Suggests More People Prefer Xbox Series X Than PS5
@BAMozzy
We just don’t know yet how the developers are going to make use of all of these new technologies/systems. Remember also that the Cell processor was so much more powerful than what was in the 360, and how did that turn out as far as a difference in games?
Re: Sizeable Twitter Poll Suggests More People Prefer Xbox Series X Than PS5
“And it's indisputable that Series X is more powerful.”
A lot of game developers seem to think differently. Personally, I’m just going to wait until after these things release and let digital foundry do their voodoo and then, after the actual scientific results are in, take stock and make a decision.
Re: Xbox Series X And PS5 Power Difference 'Quite Staggering', Hints Ex-Sony Designer
@KelticDevil
Let’s not forget that it’s taking longer than three years for one Sony exclusive to arrive on PC. And that one is there, more than likely, because it runs on the decima engine, which was used to make death stranding - a game always destined to be a PC title, so the heavy lifting has already been done.
I don’t think Sony fans will be too upset if all their exclusives have a three-year window on Sony hardware, if they even do eventually make it to PC.
And let’s be honest, nobody knows what that difference in how the games look and perform is actually going to materialize. We really just need to wait until we can see some games running on both systems to actually see what kind of difference there will be in reality. Until then, we are all just kind of pissing in the wind.
Re: Xbox Series X And PS5 Power Difference 'Quite Staggering', Hints Ex-Sony Designer
@Gamer83
Which stupid decisions has Sony made that you are referring to with the PS five?
Re: Xbox Series X And PS5 Power Difference 'Quite Staggering', Hints Ex-Sony Designer
“Ex Sony dev”.
Sounds like sour grapes. Let’s just wait and see what happens when the games come out. We already kind of have an idea what Sony might be throwing at us, but I’m also very curious to see what Microsoft is going to give us with all of those studio acquisitions they have made in the last few years. I’m also not particularly happy that Microsoft is not releasing any Xbox series X exclusives for the first two years. I already have a 1X, so I see no need to get a series X right away.
Re: Microsoft Reveals How Xbox Series X Is Going To Beat PS5
@BAMozzy
I totally get that. For me though its also an economic decision. I can only afford one next gen console at launch. I'll start with PS5 - because it actually WILL have exclusives - and then get Series X maybe a year or two afterwards when funds allow.
I guess what I was trying to say above was that by getting a PS5 at launch I will have access to ALL games that might release in the next 2 years until we actually see the release of a Series X exclusive game. I'm with you on best gaming experience - that is why I've got the One X and PS4 Pro.
Re: Microsoft Reveals How Xbox Series X Is Going To Beat PS5
Well, the way I see it:
1. I've got an XoneX and no Series X exclusive games for 2 years - so no hurry to get the series X
2. While HZD IS coming to PC, I wouldn't count on PS5 exclusives making there way to PC for at least 3 years after release (just like HZD), if at all
3. Both machines will kick ass. It's going to be about the games. A PS5 allows me to play ANY game that releases in the next 2.5 years (6 months to launch, if lucky, AND I have the 1X)
SO, if the PS5 has some kick ass exclusives at launch or shortly thereafter, that seems like a no brainer to me; and then the Series X when it's true exclusives start to roll.
At the end of the day - it's all about the games!