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@stylon Wait up...if you listen carefully, you can almost hear the sound of the tills ringing at the box office already...

@Vincent294 Which is more than you'd get for the original.

@KelticDevil Absolutely couldn't agree more. Very surprised how well it holds up after all this time.

@KelticDevil Ah, the condescending "lol." Not seen it after "with all due respect" for a while, I have to say.

I'm done here.

@KelticDevil I agree that Origins probably should be in the collection, yes. But I also think that the line is sometimes tricky to see. If we're including Origins, why not include Arkham City Lockdown from iOS/Android? It's set before Arkham City and is canon, AFAIK. If we're including that game, why not include a comic book set to flesh things out further? In this case, I think they've judged it (arguably incorrectly) on critical reception as opposed to it being laziness or a want to bleed gamers dry, but I can also totally see why someone would be bothered about Origins not being there.

Like you say, good value is different to everyone. I'm not so invested in the story or lore so to speak so Origins isn't necessarily as big a loss to me as it would be to others. As I've said, the two games included in the set would be more or less entirely new to me and assuming they haven't suddenly aged to the point that they're unplayable, two full games for (probably) less than the price of one is appealing enough, given that I had fun with Arkham Knight.

And absolutely, it's gonna depend on the price. At £54.99 I'm not a player in any way, but throw this on the shelves for £30 and I'll at least take a long look.

@ZTurner83 Of course. An oversight on my part - thanks for the heads up.

@KelticDevil "But just because it makes good business sense for two companies, doesn't mean it's a good value for gamers."

Of course not. But then again, when somebody is saying that they understand that something is good business sense for two companies, they're not necessarily saying that it's good value for consumers, nor are they necessarily making excuses for anyone. They're saying that they understand the decision when others are saying that the decision can't be understood.

Nothing more, nothing less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWBnGJTxGcY

Ah, what could have been.

I'd be all about a new version of Sonic & All-Stars for the new generation, for sure. Maybe we'll see something like that happen for the NX that gets ported over to XO and PS4?

@tylertreese Also agree with this.

Arkham Knight is still going for £54.99 digitally, with a £32.79 season pass. It'll undoubtedly get a standalone Game of The Year edition towards Christmas that contains all the DLC. They won't throw all that in with a £40 set that already contains two games.

Plus, you've gotta believe that the folks who loved the Arkham games on 360 and who own an Xbox One, already own Arkham Knight anyway and will get this as the two 360 titles aren't B/C. Also, by just bundling the two, they'll potentially drive sales of Arkham Knight to people who maybe weren't so interested in City or Asylum the first time around, but who grab the remasters as they're great value.

It's a smart business decision from a developer that probably doesn't have anything else on the table this year.

@JaxonH I've gotta agree, it seems like good value. Then again, I only played a limited amount of Asylum and I've already got Knight, so it'll be like getting two AAA titles for one price. I can't fault that.

This is going to get worse, so I'm going to jump in and have the last word.

I agree with the point @tylertreese is making here, since it was in fact the crux of the article. Reviews are opinions. How can one be "incorrect" when the only way you judge the review is by placing your own opinion upon it? In the same way that the reviewer's opinion isn't worth more than anyone else's, why is anyone's opinion worth more than the reviewer's?

1) "My opinion is that this game gets 2/5 because that's what I feel it deserves."

2) "My opinion is that this game cannot be rated as low as 2/5 for that is absolute and utter nonsense."

How can one of those be wrong, without instantly invalidating the other one?

I'm not saying that people shouldn't disagree with reviewers, but to come out and call their opinions "wrong" or "trash" or whatever ("hot garbage" seems to be making a comeback) just makes me ignore them, usually.

As for never backing off your beliefs, more power to anyone that feels that way. I agree with you, though eventually I learned that has to be combined with flexibility. If someone comes along and gives unequivocal proof that the sky isn't in fact brown and is actually blue, then I'd be a fool to carry on holding up a banner that says "the sky is brown" simply because other people's perception would be that I could change and that somehow makes them think I'm weak.

Also, @KelticDevil, I read all comments on the site (they're plugged into my RSS reader) and most of the time @tylertreese actually has a valid point. His age doesn't remotely come into anything and that jab wasn't required, since he has more experience of this industry than a large percentage of people with twice as many years on the clock.

And trust me, I'm not just siding with the guy who writes for the site. I argue with him all day long, usually. When he's wrong. Which he is a lot.

Locking up...

@VanillaLake Seconded!

@Gamer83 I couldn't agree more.

In fact, the only reason I vote to keep them is the Metacritic/GameRankings factor. Without scores, we don't get listed on those sites. And those sites account for quite the percentage of our review traffic.

OpenCritic is a new similar site, which has a specific "Unscored Reviews" section, which I think is a great idea.

@stylon Deep breaths, Stylon...it's only a trailer...

And to be fair, their shot at English is still better than my attempt at Japanese would sound.

@Bryanrph It's from Six Flags. For the sixth issue.

It seemed like a good idea at the time.

Thank you for all the kind comments, folks. Greatly appreciated.

@KelticDevil Preaching to the choir my friend...preaching to the choir.

What were we talking 'bout again?

@KelticDevil I'll weigh in...the correct way is "I couldn't care less" but tons of folks use the other one.

Otherwise, you're saying you care a lot and could care less. As opposed to saying that you don't care very much and therefore couldn't care less. Not that it matters...both get the point across.

@Alpha £19.99 and available now.

Congratulations to our 20 winners! I've just emailed all the codes out now, so keep an eye on your inbox to see if lady luck was smiling down on you!

@EternalDragonX We've been waiting on the codes, which turned up earlier today. So I'll draw them tomorrow and announce here.

@dok5555555 Thanks for the heads up. Article updated.

@Vincent294 Nobody's can. It runs at sub 20fps most of the time, even on PS4 :/

@Captain_Chao5 Not particularly...

@Gamer83 You sire, are not wrong. As weird as it is to notice, Condemned was the first game that ever made me feel that my character was running around at night. It was SO dark for a lot of the time. Really atmospheric. Loved it.

@Tasuki Fair enough, though my point was that nobody is forcing you to buy the latest thing. Your 360 still works, and you can still buy an Xbox 360, and will be able to for a good while yet.

360 support on Xbox Live will continue for a long time, mainly because backward compatibility on Xbox One allows 360 games to be played online using the same systems that they do on the Xbox 360. So there's no sense in them turning it off and suddenly saying "B/C games won't be online playable now."

As for Deals With Gold, well...that's a different story. End of the day, if someone actually wants a game that much that they're willing to get upset that it hasn't been discounted, then they should pay the asking price. I'd imagine that backward compatible titles will eventually come into focus on DwG and then people will end up going "Man...backward compatible titles AGAIN?" every week!

@ultraviolet Right now, you get a couple of extra characters, new lightcycle designs, and some new levels for disc mode.

As for the future...no idea.

@Tasuki With respect, they've just said that they'll stop making them. There are probably millions - as in actual millions - sitting in stores around the world, waiting to be sold. I can go to any game store in my town and buy one. Also, Microsoft probably have a stock of 360s large enough for supply to not be an issue for a good while yet. Also, LIVE still works on Xbox 360 and will do for the forseeable future.

So, if you want to play your Xbox 360 games now, you can still buy an Xbox 360. Or keep using the Xbox 360 console that you clearly already own. I don't understand the outrage?

They can't keep making these things forever, neither should they be expected to.

@crippyd Thanks for the heads-up! I've added it to the list.

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@Seth-TK I'd agree with that. It'd be nice to give my Titan a little bit of flair so everybody could see it was me that they were repeatedly killing easily.

@tylertreese Holla. I'd agree with that.

Then again, it's pinball, so I'm down.

@Ps4all Awesome! Glad you're enjoying it so far.

Reminds me...I need to actually go back and play more Dead Rising...

@Ps4all Hey there - welcome to the Xbox One club. Not sure what Microsoft will announce at E3, but I can't imagine it would be anything TOO crazy.

What sort of stuff have you been playing on your new XO?

@stylon I remember the year I got an Amstrad CPC 464 for Christmas. I'd already been buying Amstrad Action magazine with my pocket money for months, so Christmas afternoon was spent typing in a listing from that mag that did nothing but drew Mickey Mouse on the screen.

Four hours. Didn't work. Had absolutely no idea what any error messages meant so couldn't debug.

I don't think I've ever been more upset. Still, a few rounds of BMX Simulator sorted that out.

@stylon Well, thank heavens for that! Was worried you'd nipped on and bought it based on my mistake!

@stylon Nope! We made a bit of a boo-boo...the game's not back-compat yet.

@stylon It doesn't have any Daft Punk, but I'll be putting together a review soon. As well as a livestream on Wednesday.

@KelticDevil "Halo 2 pioneered online FPS on the consoles & is the game that got Xbox Live off the ground. It was one of the most popular multiplayer games of that generation"

Yes sir, it was. Introduced online multiplayer to a whole generation of gamers, not to mention satisfied people like me who had been lugging their Xbox to LAN parties to play Halo: CE in "System Link" mode.

Did my back the world of good when Halo 2 finally came out!

Gotta say I really like the look of Oceanhorn as well. Also intrigued about 7 Days to Die. Has a State of Decay vibe to it, and I would have really dug that game on XO if it wasn't for the performance issues.

@shonenjump86 That's good to hear, because I thought it was just me that hadn't watched it yet!

@BAMozzy None of which have been 1,000 words in length. See how the discussion is still flowing?

@BAMozzy "Maybe people don't feel like 'commenting' because of the hassle they get for criticising indies or having an opinion that differs from somebody else!!"

Well that isn't it.

Maybe it's because when they do have an opinion that differs from someone else, they get bombarded with 1,000 word replies until they concede or get bored?

@MaccaMUFC Absolutely agreed with everything you've said there. Great point about not restarting. I was doing that to start with and not getting very far!

@BAMozzy I disagree.

"They have no way of expressing that they have no interest" isn't right as they have the option to not vote. The results are a percentage of the people who have voted, as in any poll anywhere.

People have no problem writing "not for me" or "not at this price" on every other article that introduces new games or sale listings, or on Twitter, or on Facebook, that I consciously left the option from the poll. If they have a strong enough feeling to (for some reason) let everyone know that they have no interest in something, they'll comment, not that I see why they get involved with things they aren't interested in, anyway!

@BAMozzy There's already an option for that...you just don't vote!

Could we take it to the forum if the replies are going to be 1,000 words, please? My scroll wheel is gettin' tired.

@freaksloan Indeed it is. Fixed the article now.

@DRL I might well do...that'll be fun for everyone to watch as I just throw my controller at the camera over and over.

@MaccaMUFC The FM6 Fast and Furious Pack in the UK is £4, and it doesn't look like Batman has been discounted in the UK for some reason...