It isn’t up to you or I to “protect” the innocent by buying the products of the company that is mistreating them, it’s up to the company to change their ways so consumers feel comfortable buying from them. Again, this is Activision’s problem and you coming in here making people feel guilty for boycotting them deflects and misplaces blame away from them.
Your argument is that people shouldn’t boycott companies or protest, and you’re wrong for it. Sitting on our hands and hoping that people in power do the right thing hasn’t ever really worked out that well throughout history, and if I’m being honest with you, I’d rather the innocent employees find jobs that treat them better anyway if Activision can’t get its act together.
You don’t have to reply, I’ll do so for the sake of others reading this back and forth. Boycotting a company or at the very least, being vocal about your displeasure with said company puts pressure on them to make changes. As far as I know, Kotick who has been problematic for a while now is still employed. No other high profile Activision execs have been fired or resigned, either. They have not done enough to address the problems within their company and they absolutely should face consequences until they do. It is in THEIR hands what happens to THEIR company.
Stop blaming consumers for having a conscience and voicing their opinions with their wallets. None of us owe companies diddly *****, especially when they’re treating employees badly. You’ve taken a wee bit too much capitalism to the brain, and it’s showing. Saying the industry should be responsible for something one company does completely contradicts your whole “individual accountability” spiel, by the way. This is Activision’s problem, not the game industry’s.
Also, a little tip for future debates: don’t resort to whataboutism, because it deflects from the topic at hand and makes your argument look weak. People pick and choose fights all the time, and we can go down an endless rabbit hole about all the different contradictory opinions you and I have. This particular one is about the toxic work environment at Activision. Do keep up.
Okay, shoot. Give us a few examples of better ways to get accountability out of these companies. I’ve already given you a perfectly good answer to the problem, which is to fire these ***** who are behaving badly. You seem to think the only option is to either let them continue doing what they do, or to shut down the entire company which isn’t the goal of these boycotts. You can’t be so simple minded as to think there are only two options here. One more time so YOU’LL understand: the jobs of these everyday workers are not in the hands of the general public. They’re in the hands of their bosses, who need to acknowledge they’re in the wrong and change their ways.
Boycotting a company is more effective at sending a message than pretty much anything else. Companies care about profit above all else, and if a problematic CEO or executives are affecting said profits, they will adjust accordingly. You might not THINK you’re defending corporations, but you definitely are. If I lost my job because the heads of my company were sexually harassing employees, being racist etc., and the profits tanked because of it, I would absolutely direct my anger and the blame at the heads of the company instead of consumers. If you agree that they should remove the CEO or the higher ups that are guilty, I don’t see what point you’re trying to make. We both agree that they should be held accountable, and the people calling for a boycott agree as well. We are in an amazing age where more than ever, companies, police, people in power are being held accountable for their bad actions. Change. Progress. Adjust. How Activision chooses to answer the call is up to them, and if they can’t do it, the blame is on them.
So again, if the higher ups refuse to force him out and rally together, the fallout will be on their heads. Consumers do not have to accept what these companies do to their employees, and they absolutely have the right to boycott or protest.
Do you not agree that Activision’a shareholders should squeeze Kotick out of the company if he, as the man in charge, can’t keep his employees safe and do his job? No one is arguing that normal employees should lose their job, we want to see repercussions and accountability for the perpetrators. This idea that it’s the fault of the people who boycott and protest when someone loses their job is ridiculous and really, you’re only making it harder for any actual justice to be done when you think like this. If, after all this backlash and negative PR, Activision’s board or the higher ups do nothing to improve the conditions of their workplace, it’ll be THEIR fault that people lose jobs, not regular people who are against what they’re doing.
Halo Infinite’s multiplayer mechanics and feel is the best the series has been since Reach, and it’s free to play. I’m okay with them taking time to sort out cosmetics. I play Halo because it’s fun.
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Re: Phil Spencer Reportedly 'Evaluating' Xbox's Relationship With Activision
@Alpha_Pulse
It isn’t up to you or I to “protect” the innocent by buying the products of the company that is mistreating them, it’s up to the company to change their ways so consumers feel comfortable buying from them. Again, this is Activision’s problem and you coming in here making people feel guilty for boycotting them deflects and misplaces blame away from them.
Your argument is that people shouldn’t boycott companies or protest, and you’re wrong for it. Sitting on our hands and hoping that people in power do the right thing hasn’t ever really worked out that well throughout history, and if I’m being honest with you, I’d rather the innocent employees find jobs that treat them better anyway if Activision can’t get its act together.
Re: Phil Spencer Reportedly 'Evaluating' Xbox's Relationship With Activision
@Alpha_Pulse
You don’t have to reply, I’ll do so for the sake of others reading this back and forth. Boycotting a company or at the very least, being vocal about your displeasure with said company puts pressure on them to make changes. As far as I know, Kotick who has been problematic for a while now is still employed. No other high profile Activision execs have been fired or resigned, either. They have not done enough to address the problems within their company and they absolutely should face consequences until they do. It is in THEIR hands what happens to THEIR company.
Stop blaming consumers for having a conscience and voicing their opinions with their wallets. None of us owe companies diddly *****, especially when they’re treating employees badly. You’ve taken a wee bit too much capitalism to the brain, and it’s showing. Saying the industry should be responsible for something one company does completely contradicts your whole “individual accountability” spiel, by the way. This is Activision’s problem, not the game industry’s.
Also, a little tip for future debates: don’t resort to whataboutism, because it deflects from the topic at hand and makes your argument look weak. People pick and choose fights all the time, and we can go down an endless rabbit hole about all the different contradictory opinions you and I have. This particular one is about the toxic work environment at Activision. Do keep up.
Re: Phil Spencer Reportedly 'Evaluating' Xbox's Relationship With Activision
@Alpha_Pulse
Okay, shoot. Give us a few examples of better ways to get accountability out of these companies. I’ve already given you a perfectly good answer to the problem, which is to fire these ***** who are behaving badly. You seem to think the only option is to either let them continue doing what they do, or to shut down the entire company which isn’t the goal of these boycotts. You can’t be so simple minded as to think there are only two options here. One more time so YOU’LL understand: the jobs of these everyday workers are not in the hands of the general public. They’re in the hands of their bosses, who need to acknowledge they’re in the wrong and change their ways.
Re: Phil Spencer Reportedly 'Evaluating' Xbox's Relationship With Activision
@Alpha_Pulse
Boycotting a company is more effective at sending a message than pretty much anything else. Companies care about profit above all else, and if a problematic CEO or executives are affecting said profits, they will adjust accordingly. You might not THINK you’re defending corporations, but you definitely are. If I lost my job because the heads of my company were sexually harassing employees, being racist etc., and the profits tanked because of it, I would absolutely direct my anger and the blame at the heads of the company instead of consumers. If you agree that they should remove the CEO or the higher ups that are guilty, I don’t see what point you’re trying to make. We both agree that they should be held accountable, and the people calling for a boycott agree as well. We are in an amazing age where more than ever, companies, police, people in power are being held accountable for their bad actions. Change. Progress. Adjust. How Activision chooses to answer the call is up to them, and if they can’t do it, the blame is on them.
Re: Phil Spencer Reportedly 'Evaluating' Xbox's Relationship With Activision
@BAMozzy
So again, if the higher ups refuse to force him out and rally together, the fallout will be on their heads. Consumers do not have to accept what these companies do to their employees, and they absolutely have the right to boycott or protest.
Re: Phil Spencer Reportedly 'Evaluating' Xbox's Relationship With Activision
@Alpha_Pulse
Do you not agree that Activision’a shareholders should squeeze Kotick out of the company if he, as the man in charge, can’t keep his employees safe and do his job? No one is arguing that normal employees should lose their job, we want to see repercussions and accountability for the perpetrators. This idea that it’s the fault of the people who boycott and protest when someone loses their job is ridiculous and really, you’re only making it harder for any actual justice to be done when you think like this. If, after all this backlash and negative PR, Activision’s board or the higher ups do nothing to improve the conditions of their workplace, it’ll be THEIR fault that people lose jobs, not regular people who are against what they’re doing.
Re: Halo Infinite's Battle Pass Progression Is Being Updated In Response To Player Feedback
Halo Infinite’s multiplayer mechanics and feel is the best the series has been since Reach, and it’s free to play. I’m okay with them taking time to sort out cosmetics. I play Halo because it’s fun.