Report: Xbox Is Working On A Halo Remaster, Also 'Considering' PS5 Release

Isn't the remaster part of the MCC?
Maybe they mean a remake.

Expected something like this to pop up, things had been getting almost getting positive around Xbox Land lol.

Halo on PS5 would be perceived as waving the white flag. Regardless of what messaging around it, confirm a new platform every day of the week, even if they never released another game on PS, people will "consider" that when deciding what console to buy.

@TheGame004 Yeah, that would make a lot more sense..

I mean I love Combat Evolved and would be interested in any update, but unless you're going retool the game and maybe expand some things, it seems a bit pointless.

Well sounds miles alway, so not much to think about here.
As for PS5 release, every new Xbox game will get this asked or rumoured from now on so we best get used to it.

I'm convinced the only way forward for Microsoft is to release a "gamer's variant" of Windows to compete directly with Steam OS (but with better compatability, being a variant of Windows), making Xbox consoles effectively a baseline PC standard for developers to aim for.

Anything less than that, such as this half-hearted approach to a console ecosystem where Microsoft's IP are still released on the PS5 or Switch, is quite simply going to drive away Xbox fans and kill the brand overall.

Honestly don’t care about older games or remakes going to PS5 as long as new games are exclusive or at least like a year before they go multiplat.

Getting everything on GamePass day one is still a huge win over buying everything on PlayStation as well.

Also, FWIW, I don’t think we need yet another remake of Combat Evolved. If they do it, we’re going down the path of Sony with all their Last of Us remakes, which has gotten ridiculous.

Yea i dont think that is happening and i dont trust these guys tom waren, jez gordon and so on. When Microsoft announces it then i would belive it but Phil already said they would do anything that would not damage the brand and puting halo on ps is going to kill it

From now on, every Xbox game will be surrounded by these rumours, including games that don't exist, but I agree with @101Force, now that Xbox is about playing anywhere and that Game Pass is available on all devices and that Microsoft is developing a next-gen console and supposedly a hybrid or handheld, Windows should have a gaming version that plays exactly the same on all platforms: Xbox, mobile devices and computers. One of the reasons why the Windows store is not popular is because it's not a proper gaming store with a gaming user interface like Steam.

First, it's been remastered. Do they mean a remake? And if it ever came to PS5, I would have to say goodbye to the Xbox. I don't believe certain franchises should be on certain consoles. And I have a right to vote with my wallet. So, unless the Xbox is getting God of War, then no.

I'll believe it when I see it. The "they're seriously remastering Halo 1 again" part and the "they're seriously putting their main mascot onto a rival console" part.

Regardless of if this is true or not (but especially so if it is true), it genuinely impresses me how talented Microsoft is at consistently further damaging their brands. They make making themselves look bad into an art, it's honestly kind of impressive.

@Romans12 i really but really hope if there is doom that they announce it as exclusive that would shut up all these nonsense about ps

@BHPM "The "they're seriously remastering Halo 1 again" part and the "they're seriously putting their main mascot onto a rival console."

Moreover, "don't expect Microsoft to announce this during the showcase." Pick any Xbox game or IP and announce that it's being considered for rival consoles and you get an endless source of rumours, drama and clicks.

So i have been hearing Halo runmors for around a month or so. All they would leak is there is 2 Halo games in development with one being further along than the other and they are switching to unreal engine 5. Suppose to look stunning and also that the Halo MCC collection is coming to PS5. Not sure how it will all go down. But i would love to see more Halo and for it to be good.

@Banjo- Absolutely, yes. Especially where his original article is paywalled and was published right before the showcase, it comes across as very clickbaity to me. Gotta love the journalistic integrity on display.

@BHPM Yes, someday some of what these "leakers" say will be true, one of those games will be released for PS5 or 6, but not because of their knowledge, but because of probability and because four are on PS already. Note how most of these "insiders" are vague and ambiguous to preserve their credibility. Remember also the one hundred insider reports about Xbox dropping hardware, Call of Duty not being on Game Pass, etc.

Not bothered about the platform, but I really enjoyed the early games in the series and would be very happy to have a remastered version to entice me back for a replay. This seems positive to me.

@TheGame004 Like Last Of Us.

The remaster of a remaster.

Maybe if this happes my PS buddies will finally Understand why Halo CE is Goat.

More worthless rumors.

@Boogaloo_Jenkins Halo made the Xbox. Resident Evil, FFVII, Madden, NCAA Football, MGS, and Tekken made PlayStation. Crash was more of a mascot than a game that was an actual draw.

Either way, these are more conveniently timed rumors.

@Banjo- I’ll throw in they said if COD comes to GP there would be a new expensive tier and that is not true we now know. MS hate online makes more money than positive news for any platform. The truth is most people want to see and do negative over positive.

@HonestHick First version, Call of Duty won't be on Game Pass. Second version, Call of Duty will be on Game Pass but on a more expensive tier. They released two versions of the same rumour and both were bs 🤣.

I heard a rumor that Contraband 4 is going to be on Playstation 7. Credible source. Really good. Just Trust Me (wink).

I'm banking on a PSVR2 port. I mean, really, that's the only way they could have an even bigger cluster, and 343 loves a good cluster.

Actually, screw it just do the PSVR2 port, I'll pay $140 for the worst Halo game ever.

all xbox games are going to playstation after what the MICROSOFT boss said. anyone who thinks not is in denial. xbox be done.

plus they keep messin with reward points, just kill it already. im sick of the child games flooding game pass, yea im ready for ps6, all xbox games should be day n date there by that time.

@HonestHick with some games porting, some choice words of not really confirming/denying, plenty of ambiguity and so on, rumours are going to circulate about anything related to Xbox for the next few months, then it will probably start to settle again

What would this even be? There's already a full graphical remake on the MCC, and you can flip back to the original graphics for what's effectively a 4K HFR remaster.

Will it be more of a reimagining, then, with actual gameplay changes and new content? Anything else would just be redundant.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner yeah and at the end of the day i prefer to play on Xbox. I like the controller, Ui and Dolby Vision more. Not saying i don’t like my PS5. I just use it for exclusives only like Nintendo. So much of all these rumors don’t do much for me. Unless Sony ever released a controller i like better then i might take more notice in where games are going.

@Banjo- yeah they weren’t even in the ballpark with those claims. Typical and they won’t come out and say they were wrong either.

@101Force exactly... If they keep this up releasing games on playstation and not come out and say "there will be more games on other platforms" or at least "do not expect any AAA game on other platforms" the only way to keep the ecosystem alive is to make the next xbox a something close to a windows pc being able to play all pc games and being way cheaper than building the same power pc yourself. Of course they should let all other stores (steam ect) in and they could add the condition to have gamepass ultimate if you wana play games from other stores than xbox store. So it can give a choice to all gamers to wither build a 1k pc or buy an xbox pc for about 500-600$ and either buy games only from xbox store or subscribe to gamepass.

@awp69 a year is almost like day one... Maybe there are many people who would buy a second console to play some great games day one but 90+% of gamers would prefer to have all their games on one platform and on one store or don't want/cant buy a second console and they can wait. Even if they keep all the games exclusives for one year they will loose more than they can get imo

Previously at your favorite click bait series The Xbox Crisis: All rumours were lies and Cod ended up being added day-one on Gamepass, also it wasn't necessary a new tier and Xbox isn't leaving the console market.

But don't be disappointed, since there are many positive news and a great showcase coming, all of our lovely INSIDERS are delivering the script for the next episode of The Xbox Crisis, here's a sneak peak:

• MS is considering porting all of its exclusives to Playstation (of course we can't confirm how they're considering btw)
• Phil Spencer will be asked during an interview to swear to God, hands over the Bible, that MS won't ever release Starfield or Indiana Jones on PS, since he can't make perpetual promises on MS' behalf rumours will come up saying 'Phil haven't denied Starfield of Indy on PS, so it'll come in the next six months and now it's the DEATH OF XBOX'
• Also, our fan favorite will be there too: Gamepass is bad for the industry and MS is considering (oh, I love that word because it means nothing) shutting down the program if games don't sell well on PS and Nintendo.

Halo on PlayStation is like that age old thing in the 90s saying you would never see a Sonic game on a Nintendo console and vice virca. Well we will wait and see but will definitely show where Microsoft is heading if it turns out to be true.

@smoreon Naughty Dog remastered TLoU for PS4 which was playable on PS5 via backwards compatibility and then did a $70 PS5 version with no upgrade path. I figure if this rumour is true, it would be something like that.

Really stupid in my opinion. Even if it’s just the first game and stops at the first game. Playstation gamers wouldn’t buy an Xbox they would just wait in hope of future instalments.

Stop destroying Xbox’s identity. Keep Gears and Halo at least. Thick!

I played through every Halo recently, and the first and second Anniversary games still hold up well now, though the third could do with some work, particularly in respect of the cutscenes. If Microsoft are considering releasing them on the PlayStation, then I would imagine that they would only do so after having shown 3 the same care and attention that they have the first two games.

Rumours of the games going to the PlayStation have been circulating for months, with the word 'considering' thrown in in order to allow some distance from the rumours should it never happen. In truth though, I would not be at all surprised if the games do go over to the PlayStation, bearing in mind what Nadella had said on the subject.

We will only find out for sure when the announcement is made, and until that happens, we simply won't truly know what is going on. What we do know for certain is that Xbox / Microsoft will never turn round and say it isn't happening. For some reason, they just don't seem capable of quashing rumours; instead they let these things run rampant, and that alone does do harm to the brand, even if the rumours are untrue.

This is bulsh@t this guy's connections are proven wrong many times in the past, so don't take the bait!

@BHPM

"Regardless of if this is true or not (but especially so if it is true), it genuinely impresses me how talented Microsoft is at consistently further damaging their brands. They make making themselves look bad into an art, it's honestly kind of impressive."

Same lol. It's practically performance art at this point. Very entertaining, and I mean that with zero malice.

@HonestHick It's good to see someone flying the flag for Xbox. I'm lucky enough to have a XSX and PS5 and honestly I prefer playing games on am Xbox. Like you said, the controller is amazing, the UI.

Not that letting exclusives go to Playstation isn't damaging, because it is, without a doubt. But saying that Xbox is done? Far from it imo.

So I guess remastering Halo Combat Evolved every generation will be a thing now???

@GeorgeKal At least for me, day one and on GamePass is too big of a pull for me. It’s a much better value and that works for me. Especially with all the additional third party day one games we’ve been getting. Just my preference.

I own a PS5 so it’s not like I don’t buy games there too. I just save a lot of money on the Xbox side of things and would continue that no matter what happens with PlayStation ports.

This is the same guy who said in February that starfield will go to ps and got busted, he does that every time trying to get his moment as an insider

@rustyduck What? You not enjoy all of majority of Games on Game Pass being the quality of 8 bit NES or Game Boy games?

That's what makes Indie...errr, I mean Game Pass such a wonderful value.

@HonestHick im the complete opposite I despise the Xbox controller. No not the layout . The fact the Xbox one just feels cheap and tacky. It’s cheaply made, full of clicks, the joins aren’t smooth. I guess I prefer the more weighty feel of the ps controller.

(Not to mention build quality, I was on 3rd Xbox controller within 12months, admittedly the 3rd one is lasting longer)

@Foxx_64740

On point brother…

@HonestHick That's exactly the reason I not own a Playstation and exactly why I own a Switch.

The Xbox controller is much, much, much, more comfortable and intuitive to use versus Playstation controller. Plus Xbox controller is far superior.

I believe it's not a coincidence that the Switch controller is basically modeled after Xbox controller.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner Ergonomically I find the Xbox (and Nintendo) controllers to be vastly superior to the PS controller. Dual Sense is the lest uncomfrotable PS controller ever, but it's still just notches down from the Xbox and Nintendo (which just copied Xbox) controllers. The tapers are all wrong and it changes the wrist angle....but I don't find the build quality to be particularly different on either of them. Owning both an Elitev2 and a PS Edge, both the stock controllers feel like empty pieces of cheap plastic with rough edges to me.

@GeorgeKal $1k? 1k will get you somewhere between a series S and X. Maybe. $1400 or so to get a "similar to or slightly better than Series X."

But Phil talked about not subsidizing hardware anymore either (or sort of round about did)...so...IDK. If they sell at cost, no profit....maybe $750-800 for a console?

@Fiendish-Beaver Is worth saying time, and time, and time again. Nadella is an incredibly, terrible CEO, that I wish would leave Microsoft.

@JudasOmega thanks, yeah i own all 3 and i like all 3 for different reasons. But man Sony controllers just never feel good in my hands and this one is just to fat and tall for most games i prefer to play. So i limit it to the exclusives. Even beating the last of us on there was hurting my wrist and hands and trigger finger tho. So Xbox is my main platform for sure and i don’t see that changing any time soon. I learnt to never say never in this business.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner yeah i am looking forward to the Xbox controller refresh. That solves many issues that you mentioned and you are right. But the layout is just so good in my hands and i like the textured grip better than Sony’s. Both controllers had quality issues in the beginning that seems to have gotten better.

@GuyinPA75 i can’t argue with that. Sony needs to ditch the touchpad. It’s never used for much and takes up a lot of space. The share and options button’s on dual sense are in goofy spots cause of the touchpad. I never liked PS controllers, always just used them. PS3 Six axis was the worse.

@NEStalgia yea my bad... What i had in mind was 1k cost for xbox. Obviously when you pay 1k for pc parts the store you buy from has some profit and i believe Microsoft will get a better price from AMD/Intel/NVIDIA than any other retailer so 1k for Microsoft should be something much better than a 1k pc.

@NEStalgia not to butt in and interrupt but the Six axis from PS3 is the worse controller ever. I mean that thing was dog s***! Nothing about it was good. Playing a shooter on it was insanely bad.

A remake yes, remaster nah. But if its released on PS5 Im buying it regardless just for the hell of it 😂

@NEStalgia @HonestHick you both make solid points. I find both the ps/xbox controller comfortable in my hands for extended play, stick placement doesn’t bother either (guess I’m lucky that way) like I say I guess it’s just more build quality/noise of it.

playing halo games for the first time ever this year, for some reason never did before. Up to Halo 3 ODT.

proper remake of Halo CE would be cool, but it still played great as it is in the MCC

A Halo 3 Anniversary Collection would be a better choice.

Remaster 3, ODST and Reach in one set.

@GuyinPA75 Nadella, oh yeah. I mean he's getting it from all sides. It's not just "Latituding' xbox into the toilet, but Win 11 has an under 30% adoption rate due to the TPM requirement (and other things) nobody uses Copilot (but the whole company is now about copilot after a few years ago it was all about Azure), the buddy buddy partnership with Altman that pushed the whole AI agenda new came back in his face and they now went buddy buddy with Apple, and now the pending Recall security disaster, after he lost them mobile. He's a disaster.

BUT, he said all the right things when he started. And as he himself admitted that since 2018 Gates has been heavily advising him from the sidelines I'm wondering if the real problem is that just as Phil was usurped by Nadella, I wonder if Nadella was really usurped by Gates and we're back to 90's bad microsoft after all.

@GeorgeKal Yeah, that makes more sense. I do expect the next console will be WAY more expensive than people expect for a console (Phil kind of said so.) But I think it'll be way cheaper than equivalent PC.

What I can't figure out is the catch. They can't hand you discount hardware and then let you go buy from Steam, and I don't think a GP sub will be enough to cover it being viable business....but I can't figure out what the catch will be. I assume locking out Steam as the primary competitor would be part of the catch so you either get Xbox with cheap hardware and everyone but Steam, or buy pricy hardware and get Steam. IDK. I think we both agree, but we're missing the monkeys paw it will require.

@HonestHick LOL the SixAxis. Not just the Dual Shock 3 but the dreaded SixAxis that missed a key feature because they wanted to use consumers as bait for their Immersion lawsuit and then charge customers full price for the real product when the bait paid off and they won their lawsuit.

But hey, that controller brought us Lair. Right? Riiiight?

@HonestHick Right, PS controllers are awful, not just ergonomically but also the built quality and battery life. Sony in general makes fragile hardware, in my experience.

Well, I care more about playing a new Halo game (even if it's a remaster) than where I'll be playing it. If releasing it also on PS5 and Switch 2 is the only way a new Halo will ever see the light of day, so be it. Xbox is dead, long live multiplat Xbox games.

@NEStalgia 1k PC easily bests the series X or PS5. Ask me how I know lol

@NEStalgia Phil was usurped by Nadella, I wonder if Nadella was really usurped by Gates and we're back to 90's bad microsoft after all.

There was a good decade of MS? HAHA i kid I kid… not really 😅

Oh yeah man Lair was so good as i was told by PS hardcore. I was like there is no way i am taking a break from Resistance fall of man. Which was a good game but playing it on that controller was like putting your fingers in a moving bike tires spokes.

@Banjo- the layout and battery life is for sure trash to me. But as far as the build.. I’ve been lucky and not had any issues on any of my controllers. Which is saying something for how many hours i got in on some of them. I will however trade or sell my Xbox controllers and get 2 new Sebile ones if they launch it.

@HonestHick What, you didn't like having your fingers slip off the triggers and almost make you lose your grip on the controller every time you tried to shoot something?

@Grumblevolcano So do you think this will be a remake, or just a basic remaster? I don't quite follow.

TLoU on PS4 was a straightforward remaster, whereas everything was rebuilt for the PS5 remake. But in Halo's case, it already had the remake in 2011!

@smoreon not as much as some would have you think you should haha, whenever i mention bad Sony controller on Push i get heck for it all the time. I mean i have owned every PS, and i like their consoles and games. But i have never thought Sony ever had the best controller of any generation.

@smoreon from the very little that has leaked that I’ve read it will be in Unreal engine 5 and look stunning. Gameplay is rumored to play a little different. Details are fairly light on it from what I’ve seen and i was surprised it leaked on here.

I guess Tom Warren will go and apologize again afterwards like last time right, when the rumours turned to be wrong? Why are all these negative rumours come out before an Xbox event? I don't believe anything and don't follow any of these "insiders". Let's see the event and the official information and games that are coming

@DoomGuy_117 exactly 😂

@HonestHick The PS4 controller and the Elite Series 2 had issues. I remember that one of the SNES controllers we had broke, the N64 controllers were fine, and the Gamecube, Wii and Wii U controllers still are perfectly fine. Why are new controllers generally so delicate? A lot of technology but then they fall apart after two years, 6 months the joy-cons.

@HonestHick Well lair was goty material next to the goat that is Haze 😂

@old-dad What are you running at 1k that bests X? I assume not an AM5 platform for sure 😂

@TheGame004 The remake you can press a button to turn into the remaster is. So they're talking about tiehr a remake of a remake or a remaster of a remake. Or maybe they're gonna start from scratch.

@HonestHick Not even the 5th gen? To be fair, I've never played on a real Saturn, but the PS1 controller was solid, decently comfortable, and great for older games- and the "Dual Shock" specifically was more ergonomic, durable, and... well, normal than the N64's controller.

But yeah, I don't care for the left stick being so low in general, nor for the mushy pressure-sensitive buttons on the PS2, nor for the small, angular form factor on the first several versions. And especially not for the convex, downward-tilted, hard plastic triggers on the PS3! Baffling that it even reached QA, let alone passing!

@InterceptorAlpha I, for one, can't wait to play a remake of the remaster of the remake of the port of the original!

Lol Comments don't disappoint as usual.

For the people in the back, MS doesn't care if you buy a PS5 or the next one to play MS games. They make more money off of you if you DON'T buy the console first. Lol Your threats to not buy the next Xbox isn't hurting anyone but you.

I'm happy to see more games going to PS. The fewer exclusives the better. More players playing is good for gamers and MS (and the developers for non MS titles)

@Banjo- they’re $o delicate for rea$on$ that will never know

@smoreon "Will it be more of a reimagining, then, with actual gameplay changes and new content? Anything else would just be redundant."

A reimagining would be cool... Pull stuff from the book, explain that John-117 wasn't the only spartan aboard the the pillar of autumn, show how John-117 and got off Avery Johnson got off Installation 04... etc

@nomither6 Outrageous.

@Banjo- they spend all the money on the hardware and cheap out on the controller it seems, but thats just a guess. But honestly think about it, most Switches, PS5’s and Series are working with low break downs this gen. Not to much fan noise. So thats a win, but the controller are made so bad it’s laughable compared to generations past like you said. Again i am just guessing as i don’t truly know.

@NEStalgia i forgot about Haze… how did i do that? 🙄

I mean the PS3 struggled for a while. MGS4 was amazing. But again that dang controller made playing those exclusives so much less exciting for me. PS4 the controller was doable for me. Not my everyday but passable. Then they said let’s make a fat tall controller but add motion motors and feedback every where, oh and we have to keep the often used touch pad 🙄

I blame Jimbo!

@smoreon you make great points. Something i rarely see anyone say is the difference from convex and concave. Concave my thumbs rest in it and stay to it. Convex i just slip off every few seconds. PS1 controller was the best Sony controller for a long time, Dual sense would be if it was smaller and didn’t have squared off sharp edges. Why it’s not rounded like every other controller is beyond my understanding. Yet everyone and their cat loves the thing. Good for them, i much much prefer my Xbox controllers. Switch Pro controller is really good too. The battery life on that thing is insanely long.

Eh I really doubt that they'll add halo to the Playstation platforms and if so Sony would have to give god of war to make it fair for both parties and why would 343 bother to "remaster" halo again it seems pointless because it's already remastered

@HonestHick psvr1 owners used Move controllers as main controllers. We're fiercely daring.

@NEStalgia PSVR owners deserve better from Sony. It feels like Sony made it just to say they have it or that they could make one. Cause i just don’t see the attention from them to grow it and take it more seriously. Now i could be wrong as i don’t follow that info much. I see what i see and don’t look to get more information. I know it’s a big deal to you and many others and mostly i see customers speaking to its potential and not actual delivery from Sony.

Xbox on Every Screen.
-Phil Spencer.

I'm sure he said that not long ago. It'll be wild to boot up Halo on a PS5. It'll feel weird but I'll do it for the kicks. 😂

Maybe is just me but Halo 3 is really the one in dire need for a remake/remaster, not Halo CE.

@NEStalgia Nah I'm operating an old PC from 2020. If I were to build a new one from scratch, I would likely opt for an AMD CPU for better price to performance. Just always been an Intel user lol
I7/10700
3060 12gb
32gb 3200mhz ram

Link to my parts https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r7X6Wt

I find myself increasingly wondering what the point is in owning an Xbox lately

I miss the old days of Halo LAN parties.

I'm just gonna post here what i did on push square:

Halo is the first game i played on my series s when i got it up and running. One of the main reasons for getting a series s alongside my playstations was 1) Retroarch lulz. 2) To play all the games i have missed for 20 years because of some childish console wars nonsense. Despite just buying one i would welcome this onto ps5 and would play it. Everyone should be able to play everything on anything eventually.

I can see what the appeal was of the Halo series now and it was and has been damn fun so far. I am currently taking a break while on Reach. I have only 2 criticisms.... The goddamn library level. Enjoy that when you take it on finally. Those goddamn drive to escape levels. No bungie, they were not fun. And i think these should be changed going forward. But with an option to try the original version if you are masochistic

And yeah. MCC or don't bother.

@HonestHick Sigh tell me about it. The final slap in the face was Astrobot, a mascot designed for PSVR, getting his new game....without VR, after selling us a $550 HMD. Yeah, it's clear they had no intention of supporting it. Some of us were talking on Push on VR threads about this a few days ago, but I think PSVR2 has hurt the whole VR industry. PSVR1 became one of the most popular HMDs despite being a terrible mess, and really helped spread VR growth with strong support and availability where $1k roomscale things like Valve and HTCs kits can't do. Yeah, peak VR in the industry came and went during that time as the industry realigned on GaaS obsession, but I think Sony signaling they couldn't care less put a freeze effect on VR in general. Here was one of the leaders basically declaring it's not worth the time. That's yet another casualty of Jimbo: The collapse of an entire emerging industry. He was the one signaling just before it launched that they wanted to be there when "someone" (else) made it hit big. They didn't want to put the effort in to grow it, they wanted to vote "present" while some other company takes the risk, so they don't miss out if it hit big without them.

That's one reason why I'm looking hard into PC. Between the uncertainties around Xbox, and Sony giving the gold shoulder to their VR setup, if VR matters to me, I have to be on PC. Unless Phil decides to support Quest 3 on Xbox (seriously, Phil, you said you'd wait until it's wireless. It's wireless now. You have an actual XBOX BRANDED Quest model with Meta.....but you can't play VR games on Xbox and just advertise playing pancake GP games on a VR HMD?!?)

VR has a problem in that it's a very very VEEERY tiny market. It's not growing much because cost barrier, lack of "essential" content (to the masses), and lack of install base to make companies publish any. Someone has to take a loss to push the tech into the mainstream, and nobody's willing to. Imagine if consoles never subsidized hardware and people had to pay full price on hardware since the 80s? Gaming would have never gone past adoption by the D&D nerds.

Meanwhile I'm looking at an EXPENSIVE PC + another HMD (Quest) just to mostly play old games from during the VR boom that aren't on PSVR2. Sadly, most of the best VR games are from MS. (Skyrim, Fallout 4, Doom VR, Flight Sim(!)) plus Hitman, Borderlands and a few other "big" games mostly from the heyday of VR last gen. Of course with Skyrim and Fallout, there may not be time for other games anyway Otherwise it's all indies, all the time.

@old-dad Ahh, yeah 2020 parts in 2024...yeah I could see that! Though that seems more like XSX equivalent build, or slightly ahead, though. Which makes sense, that probably cost a fortune back in 2020! I remember 3060's going for insane prices during the crypto gold rush and all the RTX cards being always out of stock lol.

AMD and Intel these days aren't as big a price separation as they used to be. Intel builds can even come out ahead in price/performance at times. But the nice thing with AMD is the long term socket support so one board/ram setup can last through some CPU upgrades vs intel's semi-annual socket replacement.

I think the real kicker, if Microsoft do go down the route of putting former exclusives on the PlayStation, will be when the PS5 Pro plays them better than the Series X. That will be truly galling as you would, quite reasonably, expect an Xbox exclusive to perform best on an Xbox. We live in interesting, and uncertain times right now...

@NEStalgia I’ve only played a couple VR games. They are fun but i do have to play them in shorter durations and it gives me a slight headache and eye strain after. So i just dabble into it at other friends houses that have it. Sony hasn’t been successful in much outside of the console. Even handhelds they shown not to be a major player and just quit. I look for VR to be the same. It’s not a huge success we will just quit and go back to our 4% margin machine the PS5. More spider-man and Horizon, horizon then spider-man all with a controller that stinks, and somehow thats the market leader. This is a strange hobby at times.

@HonestHick I think I'm lucky, I can strap into vr all day and never have an issue. Maybe that's from just getting used to it though. It could be my only platform and I'd love for every game to be VR. Cool that you get to try it at all though. So many judge or without knowing what it's actually like.

Lol on Sony and the 4% margin success. Yeah. They have a monopoly and make no money. Granted they generate a lot of revenue and Jim just spent it all on lottery tickets and Scotch, but they're in a tougher place than people think in the new market.

PlayStation isn't the market leader because they've done anything right, but only because they've done less wrong than the competition. Then they assumed that means they did everything right and lean into the worst ideas. I still think their real problem is their brand identity wasn't built around their own products is was built around being the only one with a CD drive so certain games only came to them. They've kind of struggled since then to find their place. TLOU hit at the right timing to cash in on the Walking Dead phenomenon and kind of build their direction for a while with the "movie games" but now they're up against a cost wall they need to climb down from. Early PS was competing against the SNES a generation ahead of the SNES. Their roots come from a really different place than where they are now.

Scary how fragile all of gaming really is. Nintendo's only still in the game because they got lucky and it on the whole dockable handheld thing as it happened. But now that's becoming common....will that keep building success for them? IDK. Sony's winning mostly because Xbox is losing. And they have momentum that carries their brand appeal. Will that carry them forever? Xbox...they DGAF they bought Candy Crush.

@NEStalgia I'm ahead of the curve with my CPU for probably another year maybe two, but GPU will likely need an upgrade around the time Gears 6 is released.

I've been considering the Intel GPUs, but the drivers currently have issues with older games. Additionally, they require a small nuclear reactor to power them.

@NEStalgia agreed Sony’s success was CD and Nintendo making the wrong moves. 360 had Sony on the ropes for what looked to be a market of them being spilt 50/50 and then TV TV TV (Xbox One) and gave it all back to Sony. I find most of Sony’s games boring. Pretty, polished even, but not all that fun. PS4 bored me to death at times for years. If MS wanted to be more aggressive and keep their games they would take a huge amount of money away from Sony. I don’t need to list all the games but you know them and that would be a 30% cut for all of them. Sony wouldn’t do well without it. In a year Sony has no big games , MS is like here Sony let us float you some games and money. Like what? Why in the world would you do that? But yes the console industry is fragile more so than average gamer think. Now PC and Mobile is printing money and doing just fine. Mobile should only get better as iPhones and androids can run even bigger titles and of course as you mentioned Candy crush .