We've seen all these rumours over the past couple of years that Microsoft might be thinking about getting rid of Xbox Live Gold for good, but now a new rumour is suggesting it might be permanently integrated into Xbox Game Pass.
Journalist Brad Sams has advised that he's heard Microsoft is "trying to find ways to contemplate" combining Xbox Live Gold and Game Pass, and it sounds like the idea is to make it the "baseline" offer at $15 USD per-month:
"I've heard that Microsoft is contemplating figuring out how to raise the price of these services to include Gold so that $15 per-month is the new baseline, meaning you get Game Pass and you also get Xbox Live Gold, and that's the only tier.
It would not surprise me if when Microsoft closes this acquisition of Activision, they actually raise that base floor-up price of how much it's going to cost to get into their service."
As you may well be aware, Xbox Live Gold is already integrated into Xbox Game Pass as part of the Ultimate subscription, which itself costs $14.99 per-month. If it becomes a requirement to be a Game Pass member to access Xbox Live Gold, however, that's going to be quite a massive and potentially risky move for Microsoft moving forward. Maybe Gold will stay at the same price, and just Game Pass will get the baseline price increase to $15? Who knows.
That said, with Microsoft making such huge acquisitions in recent years and Xbox's Games with Gold program coming in for significant criticism recently, it feels like Xbox Live Gold needs a change sooner rather than later.
What are your thoughts on this? Let us know down in the comments section below.
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They should offer a cheap £3 monthly option for just online play and cloud saves
Given the massive backlash in January 2021 for trying to almost double the price of Gold, I'd imagine there'd be a similar backlash if this happens.
@UltimateOtaku91 they don't charge for cloud saves anyway,it's not Sony
@UltimateOtaku91
That would be good and is what should be available
A cheap online play and cloud saves option.
Unfortunately none of these companies think like that and force a higher price for added stuff you might not really want.
@Dezzy70 Microsoft don't charge anything for cloud saves at all , as long as you have a free account cloud saves are there for everyone
@Martsmall my bad, tbf Nintendo charge for them too so thought Microsoft did as well, online should be free anyway for all of them, it's cost heavy for those who own all three consoles to play online, £15 a month for those just to play online
@Dezzy70 nintnedo charge £3.50 a month for online play, cloud saves and free classic games to play, that should be the standard cheap model that xbox and playstation incorporate
This should definitely happen. Gold is pointless. It pisses people off more than anything. Xbox (aka Microsoft, duh) would take such a massive dub if they'd quit charging people to play online.
@UltimateOtaku91 didn't know Nintendo do as I don't have a Nintendo , but with Microsoft as long as you have a free account your all good for online game saves and it's not a set amount either it grows with how many games you have
Make online play free. Xbox is known for co-op games so just let people play it. Making $15/month the base amount is completely backwards.
Make online play free like cloud saves are and just offer gamepass to people who want it. I don't like companies forcing things on people. I pay for GPU because its a great deal and I want it.
This is some deep journalism:
"I've heard that Microsoft is contemplating figuring out how to raise the price of these services to include Gold so that $15 per-month is the new baseline"
So....basically just....stop selling Gold and GP without Ultimate, and sell only Ultimate, then? Does that take figuring out?
Make online play free and stop giving monthly games. I'll just stick with owning an Xbox and buying games. No subscriptions!
@UltimateOtaku91 I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but:
1: Realistically we shouldn't have to pay to play online whatsoever.
2: You failed to mention Nintendo does not have dedicated servers.
The NSO definitely flawed but I do think it gets a little more criticism than it really should in my opinion.
@Qphlat27 I totally agree, I don't know too much about servers but if I'm playing overwatch or dirt 5 etc online then how does that entitle Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo to be paid for that? They are already getting a share form those games sales and Microtransactions from using their stores.
@Qphlat27 also NSO gets stick as most Nintendo fans expect the same offerings that xbox and playstation offer, but NSO is £19 a year so what can they expect
I’d cancel Hulu before I cancel game pass. I get way more value out of game pass then any other subscription service. I sure am getting tired of all the gaming rumors though. There surely has to be real news out there or games to play and review or features to write. So many indies that come out weekly. So many game pass games to review.
@UltimateOtaku91 For sure, it's cheap so that helps balance that out. Personally, if they took out the paywall to play online and still charged the same price for the retro library I would gladly still pay for it. I'm lucky enough to have a family plan with at least 4 other people that are willing to throw down on it and I love it. The expansion pak has gotten better since it's released. I just hope they get to fixing more of the N64 games some of them really do suck on the service.
I just brought up the servers because that definitely plays the biggest factor in my opinion. Basically, it's the reason why Nintendo's online is so laggy and has such poor connection. Maybe your internet is good so it's not a big deal. Also, no voice chat or messaging your friends is a little ridiculous too. However, theres ways around that. Its just annoying.
@Qphlat27 my internet is 100mbps and usually don't have a problem with the switch, though I did have problems with splatoon 2.
Totally agree with the lack of voice chat and messaging, it's crazy to think that messaging isn't available on a gaming system in 2022, I get that they want to keep children safe but atleast make it so that you can only message those in your friends list. And voice chat being available via an app isn't too much of a problem, and suppose needs to be done that way as the pro controller doesn't even have an headphone jack (another thing that annoys me)
If they just got rid of the craptastic Games w Gold, I’d be happy. They are an insult some months.
@UltimateOtaku91
I did not know that as I have the standard family membership on Nintendo Switch
At least Nintendo are doing that.
@Martsmall
That’s good to hear did not know that as I have
GPU.
Also cloud saves seem to be for everyone
On my GPU but with PS5 only the member gets cloud saves and no one else which is very tight of Sony.
Someone claimed on Push Square everyone gets cloud saves, but I researched it and tried and they don’t only the paying member even if you turn on share your PS5 console.
We gotta be careful….they been reading our comments
Right move would be to scrap Gold, make online play free - just as they did for F2P MMOs - and keep Game Pass Ultimate as it is now.
they should simply drop the online paywall, put all the deals behind the game pass subscription and that's it
@Dezzy70 I'm hoping Sony see the error in charging for online game saves in the near future as I don't play online, I just play single player but have to pay for plus to put my saves online
I like how with Xbox If I decide in the future to cancel in gold/Ultimate I can still load my profile on other ppls consoles and still have all my saves
@Martsmall
Don’t think Sony will, they a bit opposite at the minute when it comes to adding nice features for free, just look at £70 for a new game.
Then again I paid it for HFW.
@UltimateOtaku91 : Absolutely. There are people who only want to play online and they shouldn't be forced into Game Pass (and this is coming from someone that loves Game Pass and is hoping for an economical family plan tier of it).
Having said that, I do hope they drop Games for Gold. It's wasted effort that would be better off put toward Game Pass in my opinion.
@Dezzy70 dont dash my dreams lol I know the chances of that happening are very very small
If there was a "Gold" like option in game pass I would be fine.
I could see it as:
GamePass Online - Online play and the free games each month
GamePass Console - GP Online + GamePass console games
GamePass Ultimate - GP Console + PC games and cloud streaming
Simple: remove Gold entirely. Make it free to all.
Quietly watching this whole thing with Xbox and Playstation pay tiers unfold, munching popcorn while I decide whether to get a Series X or a PS5...
@Martsmall
Ok, might happen one day 😂
I think it would make more sense to abolish 'Gold' and not have to give 'free' games to try and offset the 'blackmail' charge to have 'full' access to all the games. Its criminal that content is held behind a paywall after already paying for a license to access that content.
Game Pass, the 'basic' console version, would have 'more' value as ALL the games would be fully accessible on that platform and maybe those 'Gold' only subscribers would convert their 'Gold' payments to Game Pass instead.
GPU maybe would technically 'lose' value, not having the 'obsolete' Gold and '48' games, but then Game Pass could have 'more' games added every month in general and 'Gold' was merely to allow playing on 'any' compatible device at 'no' extra charge. So for a PC gamer with GP for PC, then upgrades to Ultimate to play 'anywhere' inc Consoles at no extra cost, the 'Gold' is facilitating that.
Ultimately, the goal is to get people to subscribe to Game Pass, but if people feel they already 'have' to pay a subscription to MS to play ALL the content (CoD, Fifa, Destiny, Battlefield, GTA online etc all require Gold and are the 'biggest selling games' on consoles), they maybe reluctant to 'increase' that monthly payment but if Gold was scrapped, they may use the money they would of been paying for Game Pass instead. If MS scrapped 'Gold' and told everyone their remaining time would be converted to Game Pass for them to 'try' the service, they'd get a 'big' boost in Subscription numbers and I expect many would keep the subscription - especially if that 'also' keeps the access to the XB1 GwG games that were given...
@UltimateOtaku91 Thats what you pay for a coffee and a bagel in the morning,does Microsoft look like Starbucks to you?😂
The whole notion of paying for online access is completely bonkers and archaic and so anti-consumer that it goes against every other messaging Xbox is trying to promote.
Xbox seem to suggest they have faith in the value they offer with gamepass…if this is the case then there should be no reason to strong hold people into subscribing to it by locking online multiplayer behind it. I personally think gamepass…alongside cloud streaming…alongside EA play… alongside perks and sales…offers value enough, and will still be subscribing if online mp was made free.
At the end of the day though this is a Microsoft who only recently reluctantly removed free to play games from being behind a paywall…so odds are they’re probably more reluctant to offer consoles players what they offer pc players with the exact same games
The smart thing to do is remove the paywall they brought to online console gaming and gather the praise and good will that comes with that. Bring xcloud out of beta and have that replace the gold tier. I mean the end game is to have gamepass on tvs…you can’t do that with different tiers…one allowing online play and one not. That would be crazy stupid. Online play has to be standard.
So drop gold and the basic GP, and have just the one service and its family plan.
Xbox Live Gold = Free
Game Pass = $15pcm
Game Pass Family = $25pcm
Job done. Gamers will love it and it will look like a much better service than Nintendo and Sony. Even better, gamers like me who have put off buying GP will be more likely to buy it now that I don't have to have multiple subscriptions for me and my family.
@UltimateOtaku91 Nintendo would charge alot more if there online wasn't crap
No. I don't want gamepass shoved down my throat.
It better be $60 yearly because if it's $100, I'll only play Single Player on xbox, and they have 0 only single player games atm.
@BartoxTharglod exactly my thoughts. well said.
@Leuke A generation where we decide which one on services.
It's about the games. Always will be.
Repeating [and expanding] my theory:
*XBox Live Gold will be retired.
*Game Pass [standard] will be also retired.
*GP Ultimate will be the only service provided, for $15 a month.
*Existing XBox Live and Game Pass [standard] subscribers will be grand-fathered in, but should they ever cancel (or fall for the $1 GP upgrade trap) they will no longer be able to resubscribe.
*At this point they MIGHT finally offer a $100 yearly subscription option (current 3 month option is $30, or $120 a year/$10 a month.)
IMO, Sony's announcement for their (rather expensive, honestly) service might actually accelerate this.
@UltimateOtaku91 Cloud save already free, don't make them charge it like nintendo or sony lol.
Not a smart move in terms of creating fan unrest.
For best PR and userbase growth, I'd scrap the notion of that multiplayer paywall and focus on more options for Game Pass tiers.
1. Cloud-only Service = $4.99/£3.99 a month
2. Game Pass Console Service = $10.99/£7.99 a month
3. Game Pass PC Service = $10.99/£7.99 a month
4. Game Pass Ultimate = $14.99/£10.99 a month
5. Game Pass Family Plan = $24.99/£20.99 a month
Games with Gold need to go but they’re in a tough spot with no obvious good solutions.
Far too many people ONLY want online and already resent having to pay for that. This will go down poorly if they effectively try to double/triple the price of online play, even if it has other perks.
I understand Microsoft are trying to get people to try Game Pass but they have to tread carefully here.
I think it’s highly unlikely they will make online play free. Xbox & MS are in the subscription business, they are looking to increase subscribers not decrease them. It’s harder to get someone to re/subscribe to a service than it is to get them to increase the amount they already subscribe. And making online free might also make some decide they don’t need Game Pass either.
They highly unlikely to do anything that will lose them net subscribers or subscription revenue.
Honestly I think the most likely option is maintaining the status quo.
@UltimateOtaku91
cloud save is free on xbox
They need to kill 'games with gold'. MS have good control of the news agenda, they've e worked very hard to manage it well. But every month the games with gold titles are an embarassment.
They should consider free online. It will continue the narritive of offering for free what others charge for, be another USP for the brand, and avoid any concerns about moving gold subscribers into a more expensive service without choice...
drop gold altogether...keep gamepass same price(gamepass players may bitch) but any negative press will be countered with hey they arent charging to play online anymore.
i know many people who pay for online but dont have gamepass....and i also know if they have to pay more for live by getting gamepass they will move to another system....these people spevcifically only play a few games none are on gamepass YET cod is the main culprit they only play that and a few sports games not enough for them to go and pay for gamepass..
@blinx01 i like that i only got ultimate cause of live being included(ultimate for 2 years only cost 135$ if you use the upgrade option buy 2 years of live then activate 1 month of ultimate and youll have 2 years of ultimate when done turnoff autorenew and when expired repeat)
They already tried to raise gold sometime at such a ridicult amount that i still have problem to process it, they try to force everyone to go gamepass subscribers which isn't a fair move to do imo, if they achieve to go through that blocage and the only option is gamepass nothing will stop them to raise further and further the subscription until what was once affordable for everyone and free of choice become the only choice! I hope i achieve to raise some concern about it, i'm a proud gamepass subscriber and it's only because the price and free of choice is unbeatable.
Ahh Microsoft, always trying to find a way to punish people for not having gamepass
for me the XBOX live Gold is only needed to play XBOX 360 games from XBLA. it won't allow me to play those games unless i'm signed into the service. they should just phase out XBOX live altogether so we won't have to deal with that issue anymore.
even though i only have two games that require logging into XBOX live, it was a huge issue when i couldn't log into the service on my XBOX Series X. because the system couldn't login to the service i wasn't allowed to play the game.
if i purchased a game, i shouldn't have to log into a service in order to play it. if the game is part of a subscription service than the logon issue would be forgiven, but XBLA games are for purchase unless you want to play the ones that are free through XBOX game pass.....
I play exactly one game online right now. And that is mostly so my kid and I can play together online. If they push this, it will become exactly zero games and no gold sub. Gamepass is irrelevant to me. I despise the whole rental aspect of this current trend in games.
I have GPU, but if they DO get rid of Gold then they should make the baseline of online play free, and then offer Game Pass with the benefits it has.
I'm not sure it makes sense to lock online behind a paywall for console gamers, especially when people on a PC can play exactly the same game without needing a Gold subscription.
Just make online gaming free and retire Gold, most of the free games are crap these days.
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