The big debate ever since Microsoft announced its $7.5 billion acquisition of Zenimax Media, parent company of Bethesda Softworks last month was whether many future Bethesda games would now be exclusive to Xbox, including the likes of the highly-anticipated Starfield and The Elder Scrolls VI.
We still don't have a definitive answer on that, but Xbox boss Phil Spencer has highlighted in an interview with Kotaku that Microsoft doesn't need to ship those games on PlayStation in order to recoup its sizeable investment, while also explaining that the deal wasn't specifically signed to take games away from the platform.
“This deal was not done to take games away from another player base like that. Nowhere in the documentation that we put together was: ‘How do we keep other players from playing these games?’ We want more people to be able to play games, not fewer people to be able to go play games.
But I’ll also say in the model—I’m just answering directly the question that you had—when I think about where people are going to be playing and the number of devices that we had, and we have xCloud and PC and Game Pass and our console base, I don’t have to go ship those games on any other platform other than the platforms that we support in order to kind of make the deal work for us. Whatever that means.”
Previously, Spencer noted to Yahoo Finance that the Xbox community should feel the Bethesda acquisition is a "huge investment in the experiences they are going to have in the Xbox ecosystem," and he wants that ecosystem to "absolutely be the best place to play, and we think game availability is absolutely part of that."
However, the Xbox boss has also confirmed that decisions on whether games will be exclusive to Xbox will ultimately be made on a "case-by-case basis", so it might still be a while before we know more.
What do you make of this statement from the Xbox boss? Let us know in the comments.
[source kotaku.com]
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i hate to say it, but if i'm Microsoft, i absolutely keep these games in the ecosystem. all they've heard for 7 years is how Xbox has no games. now they do, and those same people are crying about it. between selling on Xbox consoles, PC, mobile etc. they'll likely make their money back and more.
I do believe that we're going to keep seeing certain Bethesda games on Nintendo, such as DOOM, since Microsoft doesn't see them as direct competitors (hence putting games like Ori and Cuphead on Switch, as well as adding Banjo-Kazooie to Smash). Not to mention that Microsoft has a history of putting franchises from acquired companies on Nintendo's systems (e.g. Rare's IPs such as Viva Pinata on Nintendo DS and Banjo-Pilot on GBA).
But in the case of PlayStation, I just can't see any Bethesda games making it over at all. So when Phil said that the decisions will be made on a "case-by-case basis", I believe he's referring to only Nintendo.
I'll be getting the Series X early next year but even so I'm far more excited for Obsidians Avowed then Elder Scrolls VI, Bethesda has lost a lot of trust after Fallout 76
Please make them exclusive..
It is funny how the playstation community is constantly "we don't care about Bethesda games anyway" and "they won't make it exclusive" and "if they want to make it exclusive just tell us" all at the same time
I think those games won't release on playstation. Because then how can you prove that Xbox is the best place to play them ? make them run at lower res? I mean they could but it sounds cheap and childish. Even a promise of releasing them 1 year later ruins the exclusivity, many people wait for buying games a few month or a whole year anyway.
$7.5B is for exclusivity, they could have paid much less to get the games on gamepass. They are looking at the big companies like Amazon, Google and Tencent vs. worrying about Sony and getting these publisher's in-house before the other's get them and make them totally exclusive to their streaming services. All the PS5 needs is a browser and they will be able to play gamepass in 2021 when they launch the browser version to circumvent Apples app policies. So PS5 sells more units and "wins" the console war, Xbox gets millions of new gamepass users and sells controllers at a profit (won't support dual sense) and sits on its piles of "losser" billions. Funny thing is the PlayStation guys playing gamepass will make Xbox more money because they didn't buy a console that makes Xbox take a loss.
The concerned trolls are so worried about a 2T$ dollar company need to make their 7.5B$ investment back.
The people complaining about this are just horrid trolls that would be lapping this up if Sony bought them and had them exclusive.
It's not like these games will be only on console.
You could get them on PC or even through xCloud.
Better than having to buy a Playstation to play stuff like God of War and Spiderman or wait and pray for a PC release...
@Senua it's cuz Sony WOULD have to make it back or go bust! They don't see that the biggest console maker is actually a small company compared to the other players. Or they are just in denial and using social media and online forums to vent because anyone can be a bad ass online.
Push square comments are currently having a meltdown over this lol. Booo MS evil, Sony good.
Realistically this is what both companies do, neither are as good or bad as the other. MS would be crazy to put Bethesda games on PlayStation, I can’t see it happening and that’s ok.
@graysoncharles That's pretty much it.
I think MS would be all too happy to have the entire xbox library on PS5, if PS5 allowed the xbox platform, along with XBL and Game Pass.
@Richnj it’s possible but if they did put gamepass on a Sony console, why would anyone in their right mind buy another MS console? Unless MS want to move away from hardware it wouldn’t make sense. I think anyway.
@Fenbops Why does anyone buy a surface?. They like that particular hardware. But regardless of what PC you buy, a large majority are still running MS OS and MS services.
The money was never in hardware anyway. The reason to be a platform maker was to rake in money from those launching on your platform. The issue with consoles was that the platform and the hardware were one in the same, and if your hardware failed, your platform failed. MS are trying to uncouple the two. They could have a poor line of consoles yet still be profitable because their platform isn't limited by it.
It's why they are pushing gamepass to PC and phones.
@graysoncharles that would make more sense.
This would makes sense. They aren’t going to drive people to Game Pass by putting their games on PS5. Let’s face it, if MS did put the games on the PS5, Sony fans would be thrilled and Xbox fans would feel betrayed. That’s the exact opposite of what MS should want to happen.
PlayStation fanboys need to get over the fact that they just lost Bethesda’s games.
But hey.....they have Spider-Man exclusive content in Avengers. 😂
Or the timed exclusives like the next Final Fantasy game. 😂
Money well spent. 👍🏻
They don't have to - they are still giving gamers a choice of how they want to play - whether that's on PC, Mobile or Console - even if the 'only' console option is Xbox. PS owners can, like Xbox owners have to, buy an Xbox console or play on Mobile/PC.
With Phil Spencer expecting the Series S to outsell the Series S, maybe he expects PS5 owners to buy a Series S to play Zenimax games (and any other Xbox exclusives).
Sony could allow MS to have a Game Pass app on their PS and if Sony says no, can turn that around and say Sony are stopping its customers from having access... LOL
Good! They've spent the money, keep the games exclusive. If someone is a PS or PC guy then you have an option with Game Pass, you dont even have to buy a console to play. Pretty fair situation really.
Sounds like Microsoft don’t like making money then. 😂 Weird, oh well, got a beast of a PC to play those games on anyway so I’m not sweating it. Just seems unfair for PlayStation fans that have had those titles appear on those platforms for years suddenly be taken away by an acquisition.
$7.5 Billion spent, of course they're going to be exclusives. Anyone expecting otherwise is delusional lol
@JesWood13
So says a fanboy. I bet you didn’t say this when Sony acquired Insomniac? Or wastes $ paying for exclusive content in multi platform games? Or pays for timed exclusives like Final Fantasy?
And, of course, every PlayStation fanboy has some great PC that they can play Xbox games on. 🙄
But Microsoft will enjoy your $ either way. 👍🏻
Yeah keep all the games exclusive to the Xbox brand now go buy some more 😊
@Dezzy70 if the rumours are true and MS are acquiring another dev, the PS community is going to completely lose their ***** lol.
I guarantee if Sony bought ZeniMax, Sony fanboys would fawn over the news. MS bought them and honestly should keep all of their properties exclusive. My only worry is the implications this might have for redundant games like Fallout/Outerworlds or ES/Avowed. MS might drop the lower selling IP in favor of the big boys.
Edit: also, I don't see Bethesda games coming to Switch anymore. Not that I'm bothered, I just don't expect it.
@Fenbops
All is fair in love and war 🤣
"We have Bloodborne!"
"We have TES!"
"We have Zelda!"
"I love games." Right?
It's funny how I read all the article, and all the valid comments above, and the only thing that really captured me was the single word STARFIELD.
The rest was just... other stuff.
Dragging my mind back to the topic, a few exclusives would be nice - if it's good enough for Sony then it's good enough for MS.
I'm pretty much getting the PS5 for r&c, so will others do the same for Elder 6? Well, yes, they will
This is the real salt.
2022 & onwards can't come soon enough 😆
Watching the Ponies lose their minds over this is hilarious. If Sony would have bought Bethesda (even though they never could bc they don’t have the $), Sony fans would be doing backflips.
And Microsoft didn’t spend $7.5 billion to give Sony 30% of the profits on Bethesda games sold on PlayStation.
But why does it matter? If you listen to half the idiots on Push Square, Bethesda’s games “suck anyways” now so they aren’t missing out on much. 🙄
Sony plays nasty all the time. They pay for a bunch of exclusive stuff. Microsoft just has the bigger hammer. Maybe they shouldn’t have poked the beast, as they say?
I think anyone expecting ANY future games from. Zenimax, other than the anlunced entries of Deathloop and Ghost Wire Tokyo, to come to PlayStation, will be greatly disappointed.
@Shepherd_Tallon well that’s how it should be. It shouldn’t resort to childish behavior. It’s business.
That said honestly, MS makes playing their games easier the other two. You only need a PC or Phone; MS doesn’t care
@carlos82 Bethesda lost my trust with every game they released after Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind. So much so that Microsoft acquisition of them pretty much does zero for me aside from a slight glimmer of hope that they'll make them, you know, actually finish a game before releasing it.
@BrilliantBill I think the player base will be very split with this one. PlayStation is home to a lot of JRPG's and a lot of fans will flock to those games over western so a lot of PlayStation owners won't care that much about Bethesda games. You've then got the people who have lost faith in their ability deliver after the last couple of fallout games.
You've got the fanboys who will never admit it even if they were devastated.
Then there's the people like me who would hate to see them go exclusive but don't care because we are platform agnostic and will buy both. I literally play wherever I want. I will be using the xsx as my primary this gen.
@InterceptorAlpha I am really hoping that they let Obsidian do another fallout.
@Royalblues that's not really a return on investment though is it?
@Tharsman I think it will largely depend on how the generation kicks off but I can see them starting with timed exclusivity to try and push more people into buying gamepass. Get them sucked into that and they will struggle to find a reason to leave them. If they can keep hold of them as exclusives then they should to bolster the appeal.
@KelticDevil not everyone who thinks this acquisition chicken game MS and Sony are playing is a fanboy. Been using both consoles along with Nintendo and I have a great PC (which I don't really use anymore). I think the whole thing between both is BS. Its boring and I like most people just want to play games and not have to fork out for specific hardware to do just that. But I am forced to so I can play the games I am interested in.
His comments doesn't take him a fanboy it just means he is used to playing on his PlayStation he will have to now play on PC.
Are you so far up Microsofts a**e that any comment against them is fanboyism? Fanboys are just a drain on gaming and make reading any article recently a yawn fest with the "my console is better than yours" BS.
@Alpha_Pulse I agree with all your points. But ever since the whole "xbox has no games" narrative was constantly emphasised on social media I think everyone knew Microsoft needed to reach into their pockets and spend big. And it was inevitably going to lead some situation like this where people who played Fallout 3 and 4 on PS3 and PS4 expect to be able to play Fallout 5 on PS5 but it just would make the whole idea of buying Bethesda obsolete. If Microsoft just wanted 1 year exclusivity they could have negotiated it but perhaps buying the whole Bethesda just seemed neater (Inception reference😂).
@Alpha_Pulse I couldn't agree more. As far as I'm concerned Obsidian is the only ones that made a decent 3rd person Fallout.
@KelticDevil
Yeah, you almost always see this in these threads: I have a beast of a PC... Yet Steam says these beasts are mostly sporting a GTX 1060 🤣
I hope that with Microsoft's support Bethesda may actually release complete and relatively bug-free games. I enjoyed Fallout 4 and I'm hyped for Starfield. I guess it's also time to try Arcane games (Prey, Dishonored).
@graysoncharles
Android (iOS, eventually) and Steam are not MS platforms; Game Pass, Xbox and Windows 10 are.
@InterceptorAlpha
Fallout 3 is excellent.
Personally I don’t like Bethesda games because they always seem unfinished or uninteresting, If Bethesda games were to be exclusive then I don’t think PlayStation gamers would be missing out on much and probably wouldn’t tempt them to join the Xbox community.
I think that the PS4 has a better selection of games than the Xbox anyway without Bethesda. As for the ps5 I’d pass on just purely on their controllers and how the system looks
@WesEds "better selection of games" is subjective.
PS games are fantastic games and are beloved by PS owners, but I don't think your average xbox, PC, or Switch gamer cares about those games. If they did, they'd get a PS. Like for me, I was always seeing people rave about Killzone, Uncharted and GoW, but I always found games like Infamous and Resistance way more fun.
Franchises like Halo, Gears, Doom, Wolfenstein, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, have sold lots of copies. Skyrim alone has sold 30 million. These games do have huge audiences. It just happens to be that that audience will mostly be on PC and xbox anyway, just because of the history and focus of the franchises being PC and xbox.
I don't think it's really a matter of games being better, but rather franchises catering to certain tastes in games.
So yeah, I agree that most PS5 owners will not care. A lot of PS4 owners won't care either. But I do also think that while xbox gamers are gonna xbox, PC gamers are gonna PC, and PS gamers are gonna PS, the PS4 obviously saw a huge shift of players going from 360 to PS4, and I could imagine the Bethesda thing swaying some of those back.
@BrilliantBill exactly. Don't get me wrong Sony has been buying up studios so Microsoft has every right. I think what hurts the PlayStation side more is Microsoft's very deep pockets. Where Sony buys a developer studio MS buys a publisher 🤣
@Alpha_Pulse
Wow, you Push Square boys are all upset today, aren’t ya? 😂
@KelticDevil I wouldn't know. Most of my comments are here on PureXbox because I use this the most since joining. Judging by your previous comments I could hardly expect you to be that observant.
@Richnj it wasn’t just 360 owners; a lot of Wii fans drifted over that direction as well. They wanted their JRPGs and the WiiU wasn’t getting them. Whilst the Xbox One had small but workable install base of 40 mil or so, the WiiU simply didn’t.
They should make them exclusives. Unless they want the sales gap compared to ps5 and switch to be even bigger.
Switch is outdated in everything except their exclusive games, and that is enough to surpass xbox one sales.
MS has Halo Infinite until something else appears in 2023 or 2024. Probably Hellblade 2 for 2023 or Machinegames next game, but switch still has bayonetta 3, metroid prime 4, zelda botw2 and sony has their biggest launch year.
Microsoft should end the gen with positive vibes and in the 10th generation, they will be threat.
@Royalblues yeah I agree I was just pointing out that they would still expect a return from Zeni either way. Doesnt matter where but as long as there is impact on sales/membership from the acquisition.
I think this acquisition is going to turn a lot of heads, especially when MS announced they are not finished yet!
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