Talking Point: Will Certain PlayStation & Nintendo Games Eventually Come To Xbox?

It think both companies will eventually see the value of bringing some of their games to other platforms after an exclusive window. It won't be the mario, zelda, spiderman,etc that continue to sell really well years after release but maybe something that has stalled out in sales. Bayonetta, astral chain, xenoblade, returnal, ratchet&clank, sackboy,etc.

I don’t know if there will be any major Sony games go across this Gen, perhaps near the end.

Live service stuff? Absolutely should do.

Nintendo, who knows, they really don’t need to currently

Mlb the show because it was part of the contract
Destiny also part of the contract
Sony will never release a first party game or a game they funded to be on a rival console, if they was in last place out of the 3 I'm sure they would consider it , but they're not so it won't happen , exclusivity is part of their eco system, why should I buy a playstation ? Because you can't play this or this or that if you don't, it's a mantra that's worked for years.

Nintendo no I can’t see it.
Sony will see how it all goes I think and maybe one day.

I don't think investors care about what "place" a company is in among the 3 platforms. It is much more likely that they see it as certain games can go multiplat without hurting the brand and not doing so would be leaving money on the table.

I doubt either Sony or Nintendo are thinking we're "winning" so we can just sit back and make as much money as we have been making.

Hmm.. I don't think we'll see first party bangers BUT maybe some of their third party financed projects? I mean, Forspoken should come to Xbox in 2025 (I know...) but that's a bad example I guess.

I just need two characters to answer both questions.

I think Sony may release one or two of their upcoming live service games on Xbox to see how it goes. Then it's possible they eventually might start releasing their marquee games on Xbox 18-24 months after their initial release on PlayStation.

Nintendo is anyone's guess. We all know they would absolutely clean up if they released - for example - Mario Kart 9 on PC, Xbox and PlayStation, but when has Nintendo ever done what's obvious or what everyone else is doing? They're still struggling to grasp basic online infrastructure and functionality after all.

@UndyingInsurgent95 Forspoken is a solid bet, especially since it's already available through the Xbox PC storefront; it even has Xbox achievements.

@BacklogBrad if that was the case Sony and nintendo would've done it years ago, they've got plenty of games years old that could offer a monetary boost without hurting the brand , thing is you add to your rivals brand if you do this , helldivers 2 for example, the amount of posts I've seen on social media, people actually buying a ps5 for this single game is ridiculous, the game is associated with the Sony brand ; why would they give it to a rival console company ,doesn't make sense.

@supercalifragilistic statistics in the US suggest that 70% of helldivers 2 players are playing on PC. I hope the irony is not lost on using the first game to ever release day 1 on another platform to point out the success playstation is seeing with it.

But to that point where will Helldivers be in 1 or 2 years? Once it's run its course on ps5 then they should absolutely consider xbox for that game. That might be the most logical game for xbox (in a year or so).

I don't think Sony execs or investors care about this idea of hurting the rival brand like playstation bosses do. They just want profit growth. If xbox demonstrates that some games can provide that on other consoles then it would be dumb not to do that too. It will ultimately be them making this decision. We have already seen evidence of Sony forcing playstation to do stuff they don't want to do, hardware only being compatible with Sony headphones, etc.

Nintendo won't do it unless they absolutely have to, at which point I'd guess they will not be making hardware. I think as long as they make hardware, they'll be rigidly exclusive to the point of consumer-unfriendliness.

Sony will do whatever makes money. They've already got stuff on Steam.

Leaving Ninty out of this, because- No chance, If everything were to go multi-platform the only real differentiator would then be 'do you want gamepass and digital, or PS plus with digital/and physical?' Would MS and Sony still make their respective consoles? If so, I'll go PlayStation, purely because I have a lot of friends on there, over 180 owned games and over 6700 trophies, on Xbox I've got 7 friends, 30 owned games and a gamerscore of just over 60,000.
Maybe I'm putting too much thought into it, but I like certain games on certain systems. Hope that made sense 🤣

MLB was because they had no choice if Sony wanted it to continue and part of the deal with Bungie was they retain the right to choose what their games do and don't get made for. They clearly mean PC when they say 'multiplatform'. I don't see Nintendo or Sony sharing with Xbox outside of case-by-case choices by Third-Parties, like how Atlus just decided to start bringing the Persona games to other Platforms, and since they seem to be making good money off that choice, maybe more companies will follow. But I don't see it going farther than that.

Nintendo not directly, but game freak released a game for Xbox and steam recently and nobody noticed (little town hero)

The only "two-way street" I see with Sony and Nintendo is the money Microsoft gets from game sales on those platforms (which is really all a company cares about anyways).

I think Marathon will be a good test for this. It is due to be multi-plat but is still first party for Sony. So there you go, no MLB won’t be the only one. If you wanna show Sony that Xbox players can buy games too, think about supporting Marathon on Xbox.

Not going to happen.

Sony doesn't put their IPs that they own outright on other consoles. And neither does Nintendo. They understand the value of soldi software selling consoles.

@BacklogBrad Using a percentage, when comparing a console to PC is a bit disingenuous isn't it?

PCs install base so almost as large as Playstation, Xbox, and Nintendo, combined. Of course more people are going to be playing on it compared to console. That's the whole reason Sony expanded to the PC space. To tap into that massive audience that would never buy a console.

Any good game is going to sell more on PC than any individual console.

That depends on whether you consider Aniplex /Bungie a part of Sony. In which case, yes they already do.

Nintendo would bankrupt itself first.

this is like, ultra cope. how psychotic do you have to be to think nintendo belongs anywhere near this discussion

I do think it’s possible that if Xbox has success with their multiplats - the shareholders of Sony might lick their lips and encourage a few more trials on Xbox and Nintendo’s next console. Even Sony answers to someone.

But it will just be the live service select titles. Not the flagship AAA.

@BacklogBrad suppose you know of the ps5 issues regarding the game this was recently fixed and has seen a 112 percent increase in ps5 players , they just increased the cap to 700k but thus is also maxed out , maybe in a couple of years when nobody is playing it

@InterceptorAlpha It was only a couple years ago that people were saying say sony would never expand to pc. Then they said they would never go there day 1.

I’m not sure Nintendo can afford to. Their only selling point is their IP, who will buy a Switch 2 when they know they can get Zelda at 4K60 a year later.
Maybe something like Splatoon or Smash Bros as it relies on player base and people buying extra content.

Sony is a maybe but they’re treating their IPs quite poorly so it’s almost moot.

Nintendo understands that people buy Nintendo products for their Marios and Pokemons

The only teeny tiny chance of Nintendo i wound think would be Bayonetta, since they have given up on exclusive publishing in the past like with Fatal Frame, but that's 99.9 percent chance not gonna happen.

Never in a million years with Sony. Their philosophy in games has always been to hurt the competition no matter what, and they continue to do business that way to this day.

@BacklogBrad Was that 70% from that Circana guy that deleted his tweet when someone replied to him showing that the numbers didn't add up? The same guy that said he wants Sony to bring all of their exclusives to PC because he prefers playing on PC? Anyway it wouldn't surprise me if it was more popular on PC at the start because Helldivers 1 was more popular on PC as well.

Helldivers 2 isn't Sony's first game to go to PC day 1. Back in the PS2 and PS3 days Sony had a division called Sony online entertainment that made games for PC and PlayStation. Games like Everquest, Planetside and DC universe online and they were even making H1Z1. They sold it though to solely focus on PlayStation back then.

@LX_FENIX exactly ,look at all the 3rd party exclusives theyve had this year and to come, granted they do fund or part fund these games or offer resources and publish them , but its always the same result , to keep them off other console platforms , with the success of helldivers I can see them offering more games to pc players, but xbox not a chance , this discussion has only come about ,because Microsoft has decided to offer first party games to other platforms, doesnt mean Sony or Nintendo are gonna do it , I mean xbox offers free cloud saves , Sony does not 😉

@K1LLEGAL I believe Marathon will hit Xbox as well. Remember Bungie wants the games to be multiplat. That's until Bungie starts underperforming, then we'll see a shift in direction.

Anyway, I get the talking point here. Reciprocation. However, Xbox seems to need the extra help in sells. It may be a business move that will be conducive for Xbox, but not for the other 2. It seems a narrative that will spread amongst the Xbox community that games should be shared from the other 2 just because Xbox decided they want to.

@supercalifragilistic if they (Sony) were in last place they would be out of the industry or looking for Apple or Google to bail them out. They don’t have the type of money to be in last place making $300 million dollar single player games. That said that is the reason i don’t believe they will bring games to NIntendo or Xbox. Sony has to sell big console numbers and be smart with how they bring games to the PC cause they have little room for error unlike the 3 trillion dollar backed MS.

@supercalifragilistic the 3rd party deals are timed exclusives which is pretty much what we are arguing with 1st party games going multiplatform. Keep them exclusive for a limited time then go multiplatform. It gives them the best of both worlds. There is incentive to get the ps5 to play the game at launch and still take advantage of every possible person that does not want a playstation console for whatever reason.

Literally no one is harmed in this method. Sony would make even more money. More people would play and talk about each game. Each platform would still be desirable for their audiences.

I'm sure there would be some untouchable franchises just like xbox won't take all games multiplat.

Maybe some dying live service games if they're sure they'll be a success but I doubt it. I'd imagine traditional Xbox hardware will be dead before they even get a chance to.

@STX that's not even indirectly. Game Freak is a completely separate entity from Nintendo.

@Savage_Joe Rare Replay was because Xbox bought Rare thinking they'd get Donkey Kong, TW101 was because Platinum self-Published the Remaster where as Nintendo Published the Wii U original, Crash and Spyro were only Published by Sony who never owned them, & Sony was told by MLB either it goes Multiplatform or stops being made. These are all very specific instances and very different from Sony or Nintendo saying, 'we don't need this to be exclusive anymore' like Microsoft's doing.

@BacklogBrad but publishers are skipping xbox, why do you think Sony will suddenly start putting there games on the xbox ? Xbox games have always been the lowest selling multiplatform games , why would Sony spend money developing and distributing , microsoft need to sell a lot more consoles for that to be viable, plus they will have that parity clause regarding the series s to contend , more hassle than it would be worth I feel.

@LX_FENIX This. The most we're seeing from either are games with expiring exclusivity deals or if it was only made for them without one, which in most cases would be up to the Third-Parties involved. Great example as of late is Atlus, releasing the Persona games on non-Sony systems and now releasing SMT V on something besides Switch.

@HonestHick that 3 trillion dollar company thats making games for playstation and switch now , that one

@STX GameFreak's released a few multiplatform games. They're Second-Party devs to Nintendo and essentially any non-Pokemon games they make they're free to release on whatever they want.

I can see certain games coming from Nintendo because of their good relationship but Sony I doubt.

Sony are not in the business of sharing their games, they are paying Squeenix to do the exact opposite, with the likes of FF7R, Rebirth, FF16 and these are third-party to begin with. I just can't envisage established Sony ip's coming to Xbox any time soon.

@supercalifragilistic jrpgs are skipping xbox because its a genre that xbox users ignore. Sony has other genres that would do just fine on xbox.

@supercalifragilistic

that 3 trillion dollar company thats making games for playstation and switch now , that one

There is a reason why Microsoft are a 3 trillion dollar company ( cue, not overly bothered were its coming from?). And if PlayStation and Nintendo gamers can add even more to that absurd amount, they'll not going to refuse it.

Theres no way Sony will bring an IP to Xbox without being contractually obliged imo. They have little to gain and much to lose.

@Sol4ris I don't believe it works like that , if it did Sony and nintendo would've been a mutliplatform company decades ago , they didn't get where they are today by pimping out there exclusives, and as a heads up there's no need to put my comment in yours , I remember things

@BacklogBrad I'm sure they would do great on xbox , every xbox owner wants spiderman , god of war, tlou and more recently helldivers 2 and ff7 you only have to look at the petitions , but Sony values them as playstation branded games, its what sells there consoles in the millions,there first party games more than likely will go to pc quicker in the future ,but xbox not a chance, unless ms get out of the console game and become a publisher that is , so who knows.

@Sol4ris they won't, it's just wishful thinking from xbox gamers , because ms has started the ball rolling, Sony will be laughing there heads off at the very thought of it.

@BacklogBrad Sony has been putting games on PC since 2015. Almost a decade now. Starting with the first Helldivers.

No to neither

Nintendo IPs not a chance. But maybe some 3rd party exclusives that Nintendo had signed for exclusivity like SMT 5 and Fatal Frame 4 and 5 can make it to Xbox.

From PS: Helldivers 2; Marathon; MLB; Spider-Man 1, 2, Miles, Wolverine (if PS forced to make them multiplat by Marvel). Other than that I don't think they will port other games, exception is flop Japan studios game like Gravity Rush; however PS doesn't care about Gravity Rush. And Japan studio was already closed for several years, so the IP is dead now.

From Nintendo: Astral Chain; Bayonetta 2, 3, Cereza; Tokyo Mirage Sessions; Xenoblade 1, 2, 3. Other Nintendo games no chance, I only list those because they are the worse selling Nintendo published games, some are flops like Tokyo Mirage, Cereza.

@supercalifragilistic I'm not talking about God of War, last of us, spiderman. Just like xbox is going to keep a few pf their big ones off of playstation. I'm talking returnal, ratchet, sackboy etc. These games don't sell playstations. If sony was smart they would liberate them making themselves more money and grow these franchises.

Unless they're contractually obligated too then no, Sony and Nintendo will not put their games to Xbox.

Will Sony/Nintendo be happy to help their Competitor in revenue?

A first party game is made, published and sold through their store so 100% of the revenue comes back to them. If they 'sold' to their competitors through their Competitors store, they get 70% revenue with 30% going to their Competitor.

With MS climbing above them in Gaming Revenue terms, I do wonder if they will - after all, Exclusives bring players to their Ecosystem and buying 'other' content too. It seems MS is happier to take 70% and get their games to more players, build up bigger Communities around IP's etc.

@rhyno_888

Why would Nintendo put Xenoblade on any other console when it's their IP?

@BacklogBrad for pc you mean ? No point in wasting money making an series x and series s version when nobody will buy it, the sales wouldn't justify the cost of development.

@rhyno_888 the spiderman games run deeper than just marvel letting Sony use the game ip, at the moment disney are happy that spiderman is in the mcu , who is owned by Sony, the reason spiderman is exclusive to ps at the moment is because of sonys relationship with disney, this however could change in the future.

@ShadowofTwilight It doesn't sell well. The game better of ported to PC, PS, Xbox to get more audiences

@BacklogBrad Ratchet and Sackboy (LBP) are PS mascots, they won't go anywhere other than PS/PC. Unless the game really flopped on PS & PC.

@supercalifragilistic That's why I said until Marvel forced them to make Spiderman & Wolverine multiplat

@rhyno_888

It was the companies best selling series and made a profit. The series did sell well, it's just not a juggernaut like Final Fantasy or Persona.

Xenoblade Chronicles 2 alone manages to outdo numerous JRPGs that are on PS and PC as well, to say the series didn't sell well is a flat out lie.

It will never come to other platforms.

@rhyno_888 they wouldn't force them to do anything though , spiderman makes to much money for disney.

@Sol4ris

Microsoft are free to fund a Final Fantasy game or use Lost Odyssey again, they don't want to do either of them.

Final Fantasy is pretty much synonymous with PlayStation for a lot of people, Sony have realised this and are making use of their good relationship with Square to fund projects.

@BacklogBrad False, it's about 50-50. Helldivers 2 is doing amazing on PS5 and PC:

https://twitter.com/Chris_Dring/status/1761092649392427103?t=RX1OHmQ290HCdgHZXWDsZQ&s=19

I've always thought after Goldeneye and especially Banjo Kazooie released on Switch that, nintendo and xbox game studios could find a way to release a version of Diddy Kong Racing on both consoles. You know, for the fans, for the players.

The short answer is absolutely not.

The slightly longer answer is exclusives have worked exceptionally well for both Sony and Nintendo, and have drawn in big numbers as a consequence. For a while, during the 360 era, it did the same for the Xbox. If Sony or Nintendo weaken that stance, they weaken their brands, so they will not do it. That is why the position that Xbox has now taken is such band news; Xbox is already in a distant third position, and whilst porting their games elsewhere will bring in more money in the short-term, long-term it just lessens the need to own an Xbox...

Sony will definitely put some of their games on more platforms and I think this will include XB.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/19/sony-gaming-margin-questioned-after-ps5-sales-cut-sparks-stock-plunge.html

They lost $10bln in market cap last week because of lower than expected margins in their gaming business. They either have to charge their gamers more for games, or start shipping more games on more platforms. I doubt they can get away with charging gamers more for their games because of the huge increase in game cost to gamers already incurred this past couple of years. So that leaves shipping more on more platforms.

"Returning the favour?? For real haha. Good one!

Owning a games console meant you could experience all the different genres of games, now I think each of them focuses on a certain niche- be honest there’s A LOT of brown and grey FPS’s on Xbox these days because that’s what the core audience likes to play. It makes sense to put those ‘un-Xbox games’ on other platforms, because they sort of fit.

If Nintendo ported Kirby, Animal Crossing, and Xenoblade would the general audience of Xbox care- if they didn’t already own a Switch to play those games?

@rhyno_888
But Marvel can't do that, Sony owns Spider Man and they really won't give that up given the success in films and games. And if Sony also bought the rights to, for example, X men (video games only then) that won't happen either. Sony is not stupid of course, so Nintendo and Sony don't need to put games on an Xbox at all. This is more about the goodwill factor.

@supercalifragilistic yes that one that is trying to become worth 4 trillion by owning the largest pie of the gaming market. They will now make more than Sony for the foreseeable future supporting all these platforms. Throw in the ABK revenue for the next 10 plus years and yes that one that you mentioned.

I am not saying i love their approach all the time, but if i ran a business i too would want to make the most money and control the most mindshare of the industry. This plan they have in place will and is starting to do that.

I want Stellar Blade on Xbox

@UndyingInsurgent95 Probably not. Kena: Bridge of Spirits, as an example, never came to Xbox sadly - despite the devs originally claiming it was a timed exclusive (turns out this was a lie).

@ShadowofTwilight

Sorry mate, but your argument is a non starter and not even related to the discourse..

@Sol4ris

Wrong actually, they are paying Square Enix to make the game and they helped fund development. Microsoft is free to do this at any point, they just don't want too.

I hope not, it cheapens the brand and xbox just feel a little desperate at the moment unfortunately

@ShadowofTwilight

Wrong actually, they are paying Square Enix to make the game and they helped fund development

Sure mate, I hear they are also in the business of selling bridges to those interested in believing them. And circular debates are just that 😅...circular (have a nice weekend).

@rhyno_888 I would argue that both sackboy and ratchet did flop(under perform) on ps5. At least partially attributed to low ps5 consoles out there at release but still they do not seem to be growing along with the console numbers. Ratchet sold less than 4 million copies and didnt initially cover the cost of development (it did eventually get into the profit side of the budget sheet). The only number I can find on sackboy is just over 1 million copies two years after its release.

Don't expect a sequel to either any time soon. 2029 at the earliest for ratchet according to the recent leak. Insomniac is basically a Marvel studio now and the "mascot" is taking a backseat. Sackboy is getting a mobile game but no sign of anything playstation related.

The ps4 Ratchet reboot from 2016 would sell like gangbusters on the switch and not make the slightest bit of difference on their hardware sales or overall brand.

while microsoft will keep shipping their games on other platforms i don't expect sony or nintendo to change their marketing phylosophy,xbox is at dead road i'm mean by that there really not alot of chances to see their first party going anywhere only on ps5 and pc,what is funny pc players are aren't seen as a console market so they aren't seeing as competition but rather potential growth. Microsoft(xbox) will never get what it deserve and the fanbase will suffer in result of it, i'm a huge xbox fan but it's so frustrating as a xbox user only this gen, seen sony what he always done so well put alot of their effort on exclusivity, the future of microsoft say there will be no exclusives is a pep dream, in reality exclusivity will play a big rôle in the next decade or so.

They better, they are taking all of our games and for nothing.

@BacklogBrad Switch is not capable of running Ratchet lol. It's too weak, do you mean cloud version perhaps? Xbox can handle it without problem but I don't think many kids playing Xbox

@rhyno_888 the 2016 ratchet would easily run on switch.

I cannot see Sony or Nintendo doing this as their focus seems to be about shifting hardware.
You could argue it is old fashioned of them in a changing world, but their current consoles are selling like hot cakes!

Sony has at least three studios making games for other consoles: San Diego, Bungie and Aniplex. Sony fans here said that Sony would never publish games for PC, then they said that they would never publish games for PC at launch, then they said that they would never publish games for Xbox, then they said that they would never publish games for Xbox except MLB The Show, then that they would never publish games from an IP that is not already there. Now, Marathon is confirmed for Xbox. Predictably, now they're saying that they will never publish games for other platforms that are not online games...

All these statements are just wishful thinking that never comes true. Facts point at Sony slowly following Microsoft and publishing an increasing number of games on other consoles. Step by step, they're getting there. Nintendo is an exceptional case that can't be compared to Microsoft and Sony. It will depend on the success of their future hardware. If they can sell over 100 million consoles again and 65 millions of a Mario Kart port, yes, they will be able to be Nintendo one more time and force their fans to invest their savings in more hardware and controllers and even make them buy the same games once again, if fans are willing to. If the next hardware is a new Wii U case, anything can happen, multiplatform Nintendo games included.

@BacklogBrad No, Switch can't. Unless Sony want to spend time to massively downgrade Ratchet which I don't think they will

@ShadowofTwilight what are you even talking about dude?those square games are timed exclusives. The only reason they are not on Xbox is that they didn’t have good relationship. Now that it’s fixed they will come. Not that anyone cares,it’s not the 90’s

@Chrisajax

No, Sony funded the games and has commited to their partnership, the game isn't coming to Xbox any time soon if at all.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/sony-electronics-announces-continued-partnership-with-square-enix-on-critically-acclaimed-final-fantasy-vii-remake-project-final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-302040293.html

"Not that anyone cares" - guess I've just imagined all the port begging since 2020 and all the slander and vitriol thrown towards Square Enix over the REMAKE project then.

You'll probably see games that aren't part of a partnership on Xbox but stuff like Dragon Quest Heroes (partnership with Nintendo) or Final Fantasy VII REMAKE trilogy/FFXVI are extremely unlikely.

Final Fantasy XIV isn't a smoking gun before you think of using that, that was only exclusive because of Microsoft's ridiculous server demands back at launch and they didn't want to potentially ruin the servers afterwards, not a Sony partnership.

EDIT: Also you are right, they were timed and then went to PC, they then became multiplatform. Sony have advertised it as a PlayStation Console Exclusive since the beginning, no lies have been said.

@rhyno_888 yes it could. Ratchet & Clank 2016 is not a very demanding game. Certainly not any more demanding than the witcher 3, hellbalde, doom 2016, etc.

@BacklogBrad Come on stop trolling, Switch can't even handle its first party games very well, take a look at Xenoblade. Low resolution (300p-500p) and framerate dip below 20

@rhyno_888 "trolling" by pointing out that a game that from 8 years ago would run just fine on switch lol. Okay.