
We've already talked a bit today at Pure Xbox about the PS5 Pro that was announced by Sony a couple of hours ago, and as things stand, it seems very unlikely we'll be seeing anything similar from Microsoft in the near future.
Some will definitely take that as a negative, but to be honest we can understand why there's no sign of an "Xbox Pro" or an "Xbox Series X Pro" (or whatever else you want to call it) on the horizon. Sure, Microsoft is risking a loss of market share by not competing in this area with Sony, but the positives most likely outweigh the negatives.
Let's start with an obvious one - Xbox already has two console variants on the market. The Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S couldn't be much more different from each other, and adding a third model into the mix would not only be unprecedented, but it'd probably also feel like overkill. Combine that with Microsoft's declining console sales in recent months and Sony's historical dominance in this area (at least in the past decade), and you can see why the company would be hesitant to introduce yet another console into the Xbox family during this generation.
Then there's the actual cost of the PS5 Pro to consider. Sony is pricing the new console at £699.99 / $699.99 (it doesn't even include a disc drive!), and although the upgrades could end up being worth the money, it feels like PlayStation fans are being asked to pay an awful lot here. With Xbox already not faring that well in the market compared to Sony's consoles right now, a pricey Xbox Series X would struggle to command such a high fee.
Would You Have Bought An Xbox Pro For $699? (2,861 votes)
- Yes, I'd have been there day one!
- I probably would to be honest, yeah
- Maybe? I'm not really sure
- I doubt it, but you never know
- Not a chance!
And of course, we all know that Microsoft is looking beyond consoles these days. Xbox Cloud Gaming was getting a massive push for a while, and still remains a key focus of Team Xbox as things stand, while there are whispers that some kind of Xbox handheld might be in the works too. We saw very little of this during the Xbox One generation, but clearly the strategy has changed since then - new consoles aren't the be-all and end-all anymore.
Simply put, Xbox is in a decent position without needing to have another console on the market until the next generation rolls around. The Xbox Series S achieves its goal of catering to consumers who want a current-gen experience for a low price, while the Xbox Series X is perfectly powerful enough to still attract new owners in 2024, especially when you put it alongside the $699 price tag that Sony has slapped on the PS5 Pro.
Would we have liked to see an Xbox Series X Pro? Sure... we'd have bought it because we're die-hard Xbox fans. Beyond the core fanbase though, it's hard to see where such a costly new console would have fit in for Microsoft.
What are your thoughts about the PS5 Pro and whether Xbox should have made a competitor? Tell us below.
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$699 is way too much, especially since that does not include a disc drive and no vertical stand.
Its looking like PlayStation 6 and Xbox Next are going to cost a ton.
Literally $800 plus if you want it to play discs and have it stand upright. That isn't even considering another $50+ in taxes!
£450 (which both XSX and PS5 launched at before going...up...somehow) was already insanity.
Won't be getting the next systems (the proper ones, not this mid gen nonsense) until they're under £400. I'm patient, I can wait.
Prices have gone crazy for consoles both Sony and Microsoft are having a laugh with the price of these new/updated consoles think we are all chumps with fat wallets and nothing else to spend money on not in a year of Sundays!
There is just no way I could swing that for an optional upgrade.
And I'm saying that as someone who bought an X1X and a N3DS in previous generations.
It's also a double no for me because this is dropping "near" the Switch 2. If I'm gonna be spending money it's going to on the thing with new experiences and not a crotch kick for prettier graphics.
Reposting here since its relevant, the regional pricing is out of wack!
€799 = $880.98 (+26%)
₤699 = $913.10 (+30%)
¥119,980 = $841.66 (+20%)
$699.99 is already crazy expensive, but why those insane fluctuations by country?
Add the disk drive for anyone with a back catalog that still wants access to their disk media:
$779.99
€919 = $1,013 (+30%)
₤799 = $1,043.49 (+34%)
¥131960 = $926.89 (+19%)
There is a sales tax in the US to keep in mind, but adding the percentage increase in parenthesis above to show how high a regional tax would have to be to make that break even.
It’s crazy.
But remember Microsoft also increased prices on their standard consoles. And now everything will be shown on the pro v X. And they no longer have the most ‘powerful’ console.
And if it is true MS want to release their new console in 26, then Sony will have the Pro to compete against it (the leap won’t be as big).
Overall though in the current climate no new console is probably better.
Could this give Xbox a bump when it comes to the next gen?
They can release possibly earlier than Playstation. Going to be awkward for Sony to release PS6 too soon after the PS5 Pro without it appearing to be taking advantage of their user base.
IF Xbox wanted an upgrade I think something like an external addon* would make more sense instead of a whole new console. It'd be comparatively cheaper and would work on the Series S too.
*like those external GPUs and that booster Nintendo trademarked that was clearly for some sort of "pro-dock"
Thank you for speaking some sense.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner
"And now everything will be shown on the pro v X. And they no longer have the most ‘powerful’ console."
That will also make an arse of Phil Spencer's statement that the best place to play Xbox games is on Xbox.
Are we going to see Indy Jones running better on PS5 Pro than on Xbox?
Probably.
I play on every console, I'm a fanboy. That's what I am.
I play on Xbox, on Playstation, on Nintendo consoles.
And I'm used to always get the last model of each one.
But not this time, honestly. The presentation DID sold me the thing, I have to be honest. But the price is just too high. As passionate as I am, 800 euros WITHOUT A DISC DRIVE (and WITHOUT A SIMPLE STAND !) is just way, way too much.
Consoles are going to disappear, but not because we users don't want them, it seems that the companies themselves want to destroy them.
PS5 Pro is a terrible product no matter how you look at it, I'm afraid of how the next Xbox is going to be.
@GeeForce Maybe but I see a couple of potential issues
1: Sony can then ensure the PS6 is better than the Xbox Next. Just make every spec that little higher and the only counters are let them (in which case why rush out the Next?) or do an early mid-gen upgrade (leaving both to leapfrog each other).
2: With the PS5 being so dominant this gen, third parties (and Xbox apparently) won't launch games that are "next-gen only" and ensure the PS5 gets the same games as Xbox Next) so customers won't need an Xbox to play them.
@Pabpictu Agreed. If Valve is ever going to try the whole "steam machine" thing again, that would be the time.
I mean, a base PS5 costs like 1000 U.S dollars in some South American countries.
My next xbox will be a next gen console.
Not a single 9th gen game takes advantages of either the Series X or PS5, a pro version is a total waste.
@MinervaX you know the uk price already has tax included?
I totally agree with the points in the article, at a comparative price point that Sony are asking for (£700!!), a Series X Pro would make zero sense given how far behind Xbox is in sales already.
Edit: Also, I remember reading during the ABK acquisition, Phil Spencer saying they expect next gen consoles in 2028. I hope they'll stick to that time frame.
To be entirely clear, I always buy the Xbox 'Pro', but even I might have balked at paying £800 for it, especially with the direction Microsoft are currently taking.
Further, I don't ever buy the PlayStation Pro because I play too few games on my PlayStation to warrant it.
Truth be told, I'm not certain that I'll be buying the NeXtBoX either, because I simply do no trust Microsoft and very much dislike the direction that Microsoft are taking Xbox in.
If the rumours are true, then the NeXtBoX will release in 2026. By rights, that should be an improvement over the PS5 Pro too. The question you have to ask then, is if the Pro is £820 (including drive and stand), how much will the NeXtBoX cost? Probably more, I'd guess.
Truthfully, if the PS6 and the NeXtBoX cost a combined £1800-£2000, I cannot see as many people getting both. For that money you could get a half-decent gaming PC.
As it stands, I have a decent gaming PC, and my thought process is that I will likely skip the NeXtBoX and just buy a PS6, although the possibility exists that I won't get that either. I'll have to see how I feel closer to the time.
Ultimately, I feel genuinely sad when it comes to Xbox. I have been with them Day One since the OG Xbox, and to feel the way I do now about how things are going has left me pondering whether I can justify remaining as a console gamer...
Why not? Sony knows their fans will pay for it, if you know you can do it and your fans will thank you for it you might as well.
While the idea of not having to choose between fidelity or performance mode is great, it’s just not worth paying that much for the privilege. Let’s be honest, most people won’t be paying the full £699.99 as they will be trading in or selling their current PS5s.
Also it seems only a number of games are going to be optimised for the PS5 Pro, first party games goes without saying but there was literally only a few third party games that were demonstrated. GTA VI will very likely be optimised for PS5 Pro.
@GeeForce The disadvantage of Xbox releasing a next-gen console before PS6 is that Sony will know the Xbox’s specifications and can then improve on it, claiming the PS6 to be the most powerful console in the world. Not that the title has helped the Series X in any way but still would be Sony’s claim.
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@datamonkey There are 5 states that have a 0% sales tax (Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, and Oregon)
Highest state-level sales tax in the us is 7.25% (California). If you count local taxes, highest sales tax is 9.55% (some areas of Tennessee)
So that does not explain those huge discrepancies.
I'm not so sure that Microsoft will lose some market share, @FraserG, as most likely those that do choose to buy the PS5 Pro will already own a PS5, or maybe even the PS4. I doubt many people new to gaming will stump up between £700 and £820 for a console, when the original PS5 is still available to buy at a relatively much lower price. I don't think the Pro will move the dial significantly, truth be told...
@user0 I used to be like that too, could happily wait 3-4 years into a generation for a price drop, but we might have reached the point where they don't. It's more expensive to buy a PS5 now than it was at launch in 2020.
@Fiendish-Beaver yeah I think people are seeing the price and then just not thinking beyond that.
People keep making out that it’s going to sell millions and millions. But it’s a niche product for a niche market.
(An over priced product) but there will be a market.
@Bobobiwan I was a PS4 fan girl, and I never got myself a Pro. I rocked my fat PS4 to its end.
I dont see the need for the increased visuals, honestly.
The video showcase actually stated that 3/4ths of players don't seem to care either, opting for performance modes over quality.
My biggest annoyance out of these mid-gen consoles are reviewers. I had to stop trusting reviewers because every reviewer would play the games on PS4 Pro and Xbox One X, rarely bothering to test the performance of the games on the baseline (and most sold) models.
I was afraid xbox reviewers would do the same this gen but was glad they tend to at least try including notes on Series S performance. I fear starting next year, PlayStation reviews will become worthless, once again.
Said it on the other article, at this price and many games going to PC, I think the way forward for me it's PC + Nintendo if this pricing trend continues.
£700 for a few bells and whistles? Utterly ridiculous
I get have a PlayStation for the exclusives but I bought a PC this year and won’t expand into Nintendo or Sonys ecosystem.
I was interested when they first said you could have the best of both worlds graphics and performance. But £700 is just too much. Even worse that it doesn't include a drive so it's £825 with a drive and a stand. I know it has 2TB of storage (2.4x the OG PS5) and that is elevating the price but it's still too much.
What's crazy is the PS4 Pro was £349 WITH a drive, while I didn't expect that pricing I did think it would be £650 tops WITH a drive.
That's a big old chunk of dosh for a console that will play all the same games (yeah, ok the current gen is basically that anyway). To be honest, if someone is the kind of gamer who is this into frame rate and resolution that the PS5 Pro is tempting then surely PC is the place to be gaming for them anyway?
@MinervaX The price differences are due to the laws (tariffs, company taxes etc.) in each country and the lack of competition. The PS outsells the Xbox by roughly 33% in the United States but 500% in Europe. Sony doesn't have to eat as much of the production cost outside of the United States because there is very little chance consumers will switch to a competitor.
But when they zoomed in 30x I could tell the foliage edges were much smoother! Day 1!
Not.
This is going to be the console price now. The follow up to the Series x will almost surely be this price or very close. This announcement is bad news for xbox users as well and it has nothing to do with not getting a pro model. The series x successor will cost an arm and a leg.
Nintendo's upcoming console will probably be $400 - $500 but it also won't have nearly the spec sheet that the competitors have. Nintendo will also highlight the stupidity of how expensive the new consoles will be since most 3rd party games will target the lower capabilities of the switch successor.
Before January, I would have absolutely bought one day 1. Now after everything they've done in such a short time, I'm not sure about the future of Xbox (I don't think Microsoft is either) so probably not. I need to see MS's next gen plans before spending more money on Xbox hardware.
@MinervaX That is the wrong way to look at tax. Companies like Sony or Microsoft don't get any of it. So prices are set excluding tax. So £699 is £582.50 which is $761.19 which is not a huge discrepancy.
Sony has raised the prices of the regular PS5 and Slim as well as DualSense controllers, PLUS unveiled the insanely high-priced PS5 Pro!
What Microsoft should do now is lower the cost of the current 1TB Xbox Series X model for the holiday season. Especially with the new 2TB more expensive Series X and the white all-digital one coming. I'm sure they have excess inventory of the OG Series X. Exclusive games or not, it starts to matter much less when Sony pushes the limits of what customers are willing to pay for a voluntary hobby.
@MaccaMUFC Launching next gen early is a risky strategy. For the first couple of years you will mostly get cross-gen titles anyway and then after 2 years your console will be humbled by the new competition with 2 year later technology. It could work, but it could also massively backfire.
@MinervaX You've got it backwards, it's not more expensive than normal in the rest of the world, that's the normal price. It's discounted in the US. The reason it's cheap in the US is there's an actual competitor in the space. There's zero competition in Europe AKA "Fortress Playstation" (Shawn Layden's words) or pretty much anywhere on the planet at this point besides Mexico and barely the UK. Since there's no competition, they don't need to competitively price the hardware.
If (when) Xbox hardware dies, expect Sony's US pricing to match the rest of the world, either next gen or the one after.
The price is ludicrous when you have to pay an extra £100 on top for a disc drive ...all so you can get a few extra blades of grass etc etc....
Even if you haven't upgraded to a ps5 yet ...it's totally Illogical to fork out that much for the pro...guess the base digital for half the price
I have a ps5 and I was on the fence about getting the pro...my main incentive was I'd give one my kids my ps5 and id have the pro..and then if there's any co op games like Helldivers we could play together...but fudge that ..wasn't sure id even of done that if it cost £500 nvm £700
@Peach64
They will though.
They can't stay the same price or increase indefinitely.
Might have to wait until the PS6 is out, or even the PS7, but eventually the PS5 will be a reasonable price, one day.
I have infinite patience. I will wait.
Microsoft knows better lol. Sony doesn't have the library this Gen to justify this behemoth, so you KNOW Microsoft doesn't lol
$700 and all digital?!?! Hahahaha! Soo much fail
@RedShirtRod You hit the nail on the competition point. That is the main reason. The international price shows what a market with poor competition looks like.
I think this is Sony trying to feel out how this thing sells. If it does well, expect this to be the starting price of the ps6 and Xboxwhatever.
Lol how funny would it be if Microsoft announced a new software-based supersampling technique that works on existing hardware? And it was free?
@SleeplessKnight you are missing the obvious.
The Pro isn’t replacing the OG ps5 (both the X and ps5 regularly go on sale anyway)
Both Sony and MS have raised prices too.
The problem with the PS5 and the Series X is not only did they never get a price drop, they got a price increase instead
These both needed to have massively dropped in price before any mid gen replacements.
They keep this crap up and watch everyone move to PC.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner True. It's more the optics than anything. Sony's hubris is showing. Xbox could take advantage of this and be the "good guys" here if they play their cards right.
@armondo36 I would perform Felicio on you if that was the case!
Wow in eu markets 920€ if you want to be able to play discs. Absolutely an insult, after a generation where they have been chasing only the live service dream. Microsoft doesn't pull the trigger here because for them playstation now means business, otherwise that would certainly be a cheap shot.
It makes sense.
They're tapping into that disigner market Apple goes for.
These are going to sell like hotcakes for no other reasons than how expensive it is and that it has Sony on.
Talk about sticker shock! If I was MS, I'd plan a big Xbox ad campaign to start a week or so before PS5P launch and price drop S/X, even just $50 less than current price.
Let’s be honest, this is just another nail in the coffin for triple A gaming. Add this to Price increases, little visible difference in game quality, less games that take longer to arrive, little variety in genres, less brand identity, younger players not playing on new consoles, failed new business strategies, mass layoffs, games that fail before arrival, and a general arrogance of executives.
It really isn’t a good look for triple A anyway you spin it.
@Mustoe there’s no defending it. It’s a crazy price.
But a lot of people’s reactions are over the top. It’s like they think the OG ps5 won’t be available, or they think it’s designed for everyone.
@Mustoe are we reading the same comment section? Almost all of the comments are saying it’s way overpriced and even Sammy B has said its “insane”. At the moment only 15% of the poll intend to buy it at some point, 7% are undecided and a mass majority of 78% have no intention of buying it, mostly due to the cost. This has been unanimously panned across the board with maybe 2/3 defensive comments in a sea of 400+ comments absolutely slamming it.
PS5 Pro is the best thing that's happened to Phil Spencer all year.
Sony just declared their price intentions for PS6, launched this thing late in the gen, giving Xbox a head start on the next gen where they can charge a fortune and still look like a value for the performance being way superior to PS5 Pro, while Sony will have to lag behind on launching PS6 while they keep feeding PS5 Pro, giving Xbox a large head start, or they'll have to rush a PS6 to market to compete and abandon their $700 premium console with a 2 year shelf life.
Sony "Did an Xbox" here. Jim and Herman are Xbox's best friend.
$700 or $800 could buy a very capable graphics card right now. Or could be used on a PS6 or Xbox next on 2026/2027
@Utena-mobile In the last few months I’ve been playing mostly ps360 era games, I’ve even started using the ps2 again after I don’t know, 20 years maybe? I wish Nintendo did something unique for the switch successor like they did with the Wii, which I now truly enjoy, but I’m afraid they won’t take risks. Yeah, the industry is getting bad: boring and disgustingly greedy.
@Mustoe Be more disingenuous why don't you.
That "20%" is 23 million consoles.
To put that in perspective, that mid gen console outsold the lifetime of the WiiU. And is correctly at ~50% of what the Series S/X have sold, combined.
That is bad how, exactly? Especially for being the first mid-gen refresh.
Now let's look further though. Even assuming that the One X did 20% as well, that would have put the One X at roughly 12 million. ~50% less than the PS4Pro.
As part of a line up choice, the pro makes sense for those with pockets deep enough. Most people will be happy with, and still purchase, the base machine, I cant imagine people queing up with £700.
But I will get a pro... my new tv blurs more at 30 hz than the old one, so I really want 60 hz options when I can. Fortunately I already use one horizontally and Im fully digital, as it would hurt to pay for a stand and drive, the stand at least should be included
Pricing aside, the added value of Xbox is that you get Windows PC versions of certain games for free and that the ecosystem is more open than PS, so it's more likely that you will keep your digital licences for future use on one or several platforms. For starters, PS5 Pro ($250 more expensive than the digital PS5) doesn't have a disc drive, so you're stuck with Sony's official prices for games. It's a possibility that next-generation consoles will all be digital only, but on Xbox you have gift cards, third-party codes and, of course, Rewards points. So it's not just the difference between the consoles what matters, but the value. Another company, Nintendo, releases weak and relatively cheap hardware, but the price of the games stays expensive, even for ports.
All things considered, PS5 Pro is really bad value, because it's a very closed ecosystem, you can't use physical games unless you buy a peripheral and you are living inside the PS bubble (and digital store). Compared to something Sony, PS4 Pro was better value.
No logic on that. I live in Europe and the base price in my country will be 799€. If somebody wants to buy the vertical stand and the bluray drive the final price will be € 949.99. The price for what it offers and without any games to support this project contradicts the purpose of buying a console. In this price someone can look for a PC. I wouldn't be surprised if this will be probably the last PlayStation console being ever released.
£700 without a disc drive. That’s insanity. I don’t care how ‘powerful’ it is, I hope it flops and Sony take another L for being so greedy.
This was a niche system anyway, at that price point it’s even more niche. Silly price.
I was considering getting a PS5 pro but £700 when it is $700 in the US is insulting. Even at £650 it would have been a push but at least I could have seen some level of respect for the large UK market that Sony has.
The lack of disc drive doesn't bother me as I am digital only (Series S) but I realised I might as well get the Digital Series X for £429 or even cheaper soon after. (Same 2TB drive and no need to pay for stand).
Wow, extortionate?
Just to clarify,
Are people ok with the all digital Xbox refresh coming later this year for $600?
But not ok with a more powerful Pro console going for a hundred dollars more?
Or are you not fine with both, just really curious..
For like 2 years of the launch of PS5/XSX, plenty of people were willing to pay more than $700 from scalpers for a console. Plus I've seen the phones kids carry these days, $700 for a console is cheap, especially when it's not their money paying for it. $700 PS5 Pro is not for me but I'm sure Sony will sell plenty.
Prices should be going down, this generation is the most stagnant I've ever seen. It doesn't even feel like most games have taken advantage of anything other than the new disc cases. Xbone and PS4 almost feel like they're stronger than they've ever been four years after their replacements waddled out onto the market. I seriously think this generation will be extended, just by how dire everything has been.
@Titntin
What do you think, I thought it was very smoke and mirrors presentation.
I have a simple question for Sony.
So Sony last of us 2 remastered PS5 performance mode is at 1440p 60fps.
Can you just exactly tell me what it will be running at resolution wise at 60fps in PS5 Pro?
You want to spend £700 so tell me what I’m actually getting.
Because I will bet anyone that it won’t be native 4K no tricks at 60fps and no cut backs from quality mode.
I may pick it up. I get such a chuckle out of people upset about the disc drive. 95% of total gaming revenue in 2023 was digital meaning that physical is all but dead. Money talks.
Like people don't actually care about disc drives anymore do they? Like it's just something people like to get upset online, right?
So all PS5 owners will be the equivalent of Series s owners come November 😀
@LogicStrikesAgain
The upcoming Xbox at the price point you're referring to has a disc drive.
The PS5 Pro with disc drive would put the difference nearer 200 monies (rather than 100).
@Secryt Those that care are in the comments here. It's an increasing minority, yeah, but they often put money where their mouths are and show up for the physical copies. That's why LRG has seemed to step in and become much more prominent as a physical publisher as of late.
Sony isn't even pretending anymore. ita just a pure money grab. I guess since they lost CoD this was their solution to recoup some of that lost revenue.
I bought the Pro versions of the XOne and the PS4 and the differences were minimal. Most games "optimized" for the Pro versions had tiny differences. Was hoping they wouldn't even bother this time.
I have an XSX and PS5, I'm definitely not buying the Pro especially for that ridiculous price. I wouldn't buy an Xbox Pro either.
I want an Xbox handheld.
@user0 lol the launch prices weren’t insanity for both consoles. Consoles are incredible value and haven’t kept up with inflation. Sony and Microsoft have done a decent job of making cheaper less bespoke consoles that can at least keep up with mid PCs. As if they really made a strong console at launch the price would have to be higher. Gaming is a hobby and the consoles provide tremendous value for hours used compared to other entrainment mediums. Not to mention this current crop of consoles doesn’t break so much.
@Fiendish-Beaver Yeah, you might well be right there.
@OldGamer999 There was no smoke and mirrors? What are you on about? It was a low level look at why they made it and what they are trying to achieve with it, simple consumer information.
If you want comparitive performance figures you will need to wait till the tech press get a chance to test it.
When I watch a car reveal or an advert for a new BMW, I dont expect figures showing how it performs against the merc at the same price point. Thats why tech journos exist.
I love what I have now. I'll enjoy having more on tap. But is it necessary? Absolutely not. Do I want it? Of course I do. I wouldnt suggest anyone else buy it unless they have money to burn.
I'm in the process of selling my Series X (hopefully to someone who will use it), and Ill sell my original disk ps5 with a 2 tb upgrade- that covers much of the cost and the extra is chump change to me. Ill still have an original digital version with 2tb, but Ill have a pro as well. I hope eventually there will be plenty of software that rewards the investment, but until thats definately a thing, its not something most players should bother themselves with.
The only thing i would buy for 799€ (ps5 pro price in Europe) is an xbox windows hybrid that is at least as powerful as a good 4070 build with the ability to install steam and the other pc stores even if gamepass ultimate is a requirement for that. I ll never pay that much for a console that i have to pay for online and i have to buy from their store. When they demand such things they have to sell their consoles lower than their cost... Clearly sony wants to make a profit from ps5 pro sales coz there is no way making it cost more than 699$/799€...
PlayStation lost their goddamm minds and I seriously hope this sell two units max...if they want to sell better GPUs mid-gen and be PC-like at most start selling that part modular for 300$ instead...
Also 800€ with no disk drive for the inthusiast crowd (which are the ones buying physical media)... Just 😂
@MinervaX Thats why when doing this you have to use the UKs pre tax amount of £583 as this is what Sony are charging. then use the current exchange rate (about 1.30) this makes it £758 so while it is still more expensive it is not that much more.
@NEStalgia
Sony "Did an Xbox" here. Jim and Herman are Xbox's best friend
And why not? Phil Spencer and Microsoft have been super amiable with PlayStation for quite*some time* now😉..
The whole thing is very odd. The current systems don’t feel anywhere near maxed out yet they’re trying to sell a high ended option without seemingly a clear understanding of what it will offer.
The upgrades last gen made perfect sense given the uptake of 4K TVs at that time and the XB1 especially being pretty weak-XB1X was a brilliant upgrade.
Sony don’t exactly have Xbox snapping at their heels either so it’s not like they have market share to protect.
I just don’t get it.
Ok fair enough. We'll see if Gears E-Day and Perfect Dark run at 60fps while also having an adequate resolution on the Series X.
For example Space Marine 2 runs at a slightly unstable 60fps and 720p-1080p upscaled to 1440p on the SX. Whereas Gears 5 ran at 60fps starting at 1584p topping out at 4K on Xbox One X.
But that's not UE5, which for example the 30fps Avowed is using.
Do you know who is buying this console? No one! However, if they have a 50% off sale, I'll pick one up. If anyone comes across any coupons, let me know.
@LogicStrikesAgain that series x has a disc drive and is a special edition so not many will be made most likely. This article is just rationalizing why Microsoft won’t make a pro. If Xbox were the market leader for hardware I’m sure they would have already. Plus apparently the take rate is higher for the series s as more casual people like it for its price point. I’m not knocking the series s by any means. I don’t see the problem with their strategy here. Rumors are that the next Xbox will be a significant leap and they will launch it relatively soon. But until then they will have to accept all big third party games running the best on the pro. Even if the take rate is low for the PS5 pro. It gives Sony bragging rights about the best place to play. Which doesn’t help the marketing overall.
Keep in mind how the $700 price tag doesn't even include a disc drive or vertical stand. With those two items added, plus tax, it comes out to about $900. NINE HUNDERED US DOLLARS! Even more expensive for people in Europe apparently.
That's just ridiculous for a game console. Might as well just put that towards a gaming PC. The Series X seems to standout as having the best value right now. With the PS5 Pro you will need to count upon developers coming out with a new "Pro" mode update to take advantage of it for the games you like. Meanwhile if you got a gaming PC you can just instantly take advantage of the power it has with any game simply by adjusting the settings yourself.
I have no idea why anyone would bother with one of these, especially given how few games we got this gen that seem to truly push the existing consoles to the max.
Xbox has its own problems to worry about. The brand, right now, is at such a low point with consumers that it allows Sony to feel very comfortable charging the asinine price for the PS5 Pro. The high-end console market is in a bad place because both companies are doing dumb stuff.
@Rog-X obviously to play those MS games at their best. Why else?
Yeah it's interesting because I would think that anyone who is going to buy a PS5 Pro, will likely be in the same group of early adopters for the PS6, no?
That means it's a 2 year investment I guess for this thing?
Obviously we are talking outrageous prices, but I guess in this day and age, where gaming is a huge passion/main hobby, is spending an extra $100 a year or so (if you stretch out the extra cost Sony is adding), then I can also see how many will be able to justify/afford it. But it will cut out a lot of kids from getting into console gaming which is sad -and where the fun begins
I'm also not as concerned with graphics these days....I would rather have fun games that run fairly smooth. I mean I'm playing Titanfall 2 at the moment and don't really care that it's an older looking game.
If the industry keeps moving this way I have no issues sticking with an older console (or a series s type of console), continuing with game pass and just plowing through the dozens of games I never got to play over the years.
@JayJ Right, Cerny himself says that developers will need to update their games to make the most of PS5 Pro. He also said that 75% of users choose performance mode. He said both things trying to sell the Pro, but in mi opinion both statements make me think that it's not worth it, because:
1) Not many games will have an optimised Pro mode.
2) Most gamers don't care about visual fidelity as long as performance is good.
Besides, since it lacks a disc drive, the most enthusiastic PS fans will have lots of PS4 and PS5 discs that they won't be able to use, unless they also get a peripheral.
Honestly, even if it was 500 I wouldn't buy it. At least watching it on youtube, the differences between the ps5 to ps5pro were negligible, if not indiscernible to my eyes. I much rather save A LOT of money and keep using my ps5 on performance mode, thank you very much.
@abe_hikura Sony is already losing players as it is due to their lack of exclusives. Now they’re doing PC games and people are not happy with the way they are going as it is.
What you described is exactly what already happens except it would be one co sole every 2-3 years which people would eat up for both consoles not just PlayStation. It is no different than new graphics cards coming out, people buy the new and then again buy another one within a year apart. Sony will not ever completely dominate. They lost that edge, consoles don’t make money games do and Xbox and Nintendo have proven that by being over 10xs worth more than Sony and 2 xs more. Sony is trying to pander to stay afloat and the PS5 Pro will break them with very minimal upgrade.
@GeeForce Oh snap, you're right. I totally read that wrong. My bad! Im gonna stop comparing the two
@DdG1408 they aren’t losing players mate, maybe for PS+. Normal people and families are still buying the PS5 where I’m at. You do realize that Microsoft is worth more than Sony because it’s a software company? And it got its edge as being the premier operating system for home PCs and business PCs. Plus software companies have much lower overhead than a manufacturing company. If Xbox was the IP of a non software company it would be ran differently. And subsidizes gamepass would not exist as it does today. Nintendo is valuable because they have to manage their IPs well otherwise they are done. They cannot rely on third party to prop up their niche brand. Lastly around the world PlayStation as a brand resonates more with the casual gamers.
Think people are missing the fundamentals. You don't have to buy it and the base console still plays the same games. It's like someone has a Vauxhall Corsa but wants a Ferrari. They both do the same thing and both can only go the same speed limit. So doesn't make any difference.
As much as I'd like it there doesn't seem to be a reason from the Xbox side. The mid-gen upgrade is simply buy a PC and use GamePass there. I know many people don't want to hear that but that's how they are marketing GamePass now anyways.
Sony doesn't have PS+ on PC besides via streaming so it exists in its own thing. Sony needs their ecosystem of players to stay on console as much as possible to continue selling new generations. The PS5 Pro actually has a reason to exist and well it supports a VR headset.
Microsoft backed themselves into a corner with GamePass support on PC and how would you justify or sell that mid-gen to higher-ups with low/poor sells on current Series consoles? You can't. Their only play is move next generation up a year or two and get a jump on PlayStation 6.
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