Here in Xbox land we're no strangers to waiting months and months for a big first party launch. Throughout the Xbox One era fans suffered through huge periods bereft of anything from Xbox Game Studios, especially when that studio family was relatively small. Well, after Bethesda's recent delays to both Starfield and Redfall, we might have to suffer a little longer yet.
The good news though, is that there's now light at the end of the delay tunnel. Xbox has scooped up an extraordinary number of studios since the gloomy days of the Xbox One, and at least we have things to look forward to. Even if we're just talking about Bethesda, we've got Deathloop, Ghostwire: Tokyo, Starfield and Redfall all due within a year or so.
However, Xbox needs to show more to keep its fanbase engaged and that's why next month's Showcase is really, really important. Xbox has an unfortunate habit of talking about games too early — the Starfield delay shows that — but we really do need some proper first party gameplay next month. Fable, State of Decay 3, Forza Motorsport and many more have been announced for years at this point, yet we've seen no actual footage of these games in action.
Now, we're not advocates for showing things too early — give the dev teams the time they need — but it does get to a certain stage where you need to see some solid footage to have any faith that these projects are moving along as expected. We've seen negative reports surrounding The Initiative and its Perfect Dark reboot, along with similar stories about Rare's Everwild, and we hope that isn't happening elsewhere at Xbox Game Studios.
The lack of solid footage for upcoming games isn't helped by the fact that Xbox is eerily quiet as the other big players are talking. Sony's steady stream of State of Play showcases have gone down pretty well for the most part, and even Nintendo has been more active than Xbox as of late. There's a lot going on at Xbox Game Studios, but sooner rather than later, fans should be treated to more than a mere dangle of the first party carrot.
And that's why we think that June's showcase is even more important for Xbox after the recent pair of Bethesda delays. We're incredibly excited about what Xbox might show, we're just wary that it could be a whole lot of nothing, especially as far as 2022 is concerned. There's basically nothing from Xbox Game Studios with a confirmed 2022 date now, and we can't help but be a little concerned by that.
This might all sound a bit doom-and-gloom but in all honesty, the situation is far from that. Xbox's upcoming slate sounds fantastic, and the sheer number of studios with unannounced projects is really, really exciting. That's not even mentioning Xbox Game Pass, which just goes from strength to strength each year. However, we need to actually see some upcoming first party games being played because after so long, it's tough to get hyped for a title screen or a CG trailer. Xbox; we'll keep the faith for now. We're just hoping you guys reward that faith at next month's Xbox & Bethesda Games Showcase.
What do you want Xbox to bring to the showcase next month? Let us know down below.
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As someone sharp on Twitter pointed out "PlayStation Studios has released more games on Xbox than Xbox Game Studios this year"
Mad world we live in!
Looking forward to the showcase, but agree they have more to do.
I agree the delays make the showcase even more important. Let's hope all 3 companies have some awesome games to show this summer
@ShadowofTwilight22 Microsoft is probably walking on eggshells until the Activision/Blizzard acquisition goes through.
To have an almost empty year (apart from Motorsport... maybe) is really not good.
Big Phil needs to go to Satya with the begging bowl and ask for some money to get some emergency exclusives (or at least timed exclusives) from third parties for this year... Otherwise, what are they going to showcase?
A bunch of games that may (or may not) drop in another year?
A Forza Horizon DLC?
A blank PowerPoint?
Love Xbox and have been happy with my XSX since launch.
This isn't a disaster, as like many, I have a big gamepass backlog, which can keep me busy... but it's a VERY disappointing 2022.
Some speculate that MS may have some unannounced surprises... I hope that's true, but I'm seriously doubting it.
Its terrible Project management. State of Decay 3, Everwild, Perfect Dark, Fable all having issues. They've got 23 studios that's more than any home console brand in history. Yet struggling to release a single game this year. I've been saying this for ages, the management head of xbox game studios is asleep, stop announcing games 10 years in advance. If playstation can make high quality first party games year on year then why can't xbox?
They better show somethings for this year, I'm sick of Cgi trailers and trailers with no release dates on them.. It's getting ridiculous.
While the current first party drought is pretty dire I do have faith they will have some good stuff to show, hopefully some of it actually launching this year.
I also think they will dig deep in the coffers to boost Game Pass' usual stellar line-up with even more 3rd party titles. We won't be short of things to play.
I’m just here for some Halo Infinite announcements! Yes, I’m a worn out record but I’m looking forward to seeing what Certain Affinity are working on.
This is the price of a subscription service. Content needs to be consistent and decent quality. I'm not advocating for poorly done games being released but as the consumer I need to justify spending $15 a month on a game service that isn't releasing games.
@themightyant I appreciate your positive outlook on it and I feel the same way. I’m disappointed Starfield won’t release this year, but I have plenty of games to play and enjoy and I’m sure there are games none of us even know about that will release this year as well.
I miss the older days off E3 when they announced a massive game out of nowhere with a releasdate just 2 months ahead
Well that's one way to make people who JUST bought an Xbox Series console feel quite hopeless.
Final Fantasy 16 and God of War Ragnarok are looking mighty fine now, hmmm...
Xbox is going to need Saints Row and Gotham Knights and Ubisoft's Avatar game DAY ONE on Game Pass otherwise there will be major criticism about them advertising a service with first-party games only to not release any of them lmao
The depressing thing is we know what the shows going to be. It’s still going to be a deep dive into starfield. Do we really want a deep dive into a game that might not be out for another 12 months from today? It doesn’t sound like it’s being delayed a couple of months and coming out jan next year…it reads like it’s coming closer to June. I honestly don’t want 10+ mins now spent on a game that’s possible 12months away.
Redfall they’ll probably also go into…again, when is that out now? How long do you spend now showing a game that could be 12 months away. What’s the point on building aload of hype now if by the time it comes out we’re already over it.
They’ll show Forza…which, regardless of new engine will simply look like Forza. We know what to expect.
And then the show is left with cg trailers of games coming years from now as they never learn. Maybe they’ll show another snippet of gameplay from hellblade 2…which also won’t be coming till 12months from now.
I honestly can not see MS showing a big title from one of their studios that’s releasing within the next 6 months. It’s really not their style. Their style is to show games years in advance and then delay them further.
@magicismoney Saints Row maybe one but I don't think Gotham Knights will be and Avatar will be delayed most definitely to next year.
I just hope there's surprise announcements during the showcase like we had with Forza Horizon 5 last year. Like hey get ready for Motorsport coming this September and hey get ready for Hellblade coming this October but even those games look unlikely.
@RedShirtRod On a service that hasn’t been releasing games? You can say what you want a about Xbox Studios but there’s been plenty of great games on GamePass to justify the cost. Things like Tunic, The Show 22 and this month’s Sniper Elite 5 to name a few.
MS needs to get some more exclusives releasing but GamePass itself will be fine.
@RedShirtRod Yep this is where good management is needed the most. They want to sell Xbox as a subscription service, they’re clear on that. Then they need to ensure they have a steady stream of games releasing from their studios each month. Games will always risk suffering delays…so they need to make sure they have ones that are just waiting for release windows. Maybe once they have activision and they have that steady annual release it won’t matter as much…but this year they don’t. This year it matters
they'd better pray to god they have more than a bunch of trailers.
Yesterday some Xbox fanboy, put on Push Square.
“ looks like Sony first party studio games have run out of gasoline for rest of the year”
You muppet, that’s Karma for you.
@awp69 a subscription can’t rely on third party alone. Why do you think Netflix prime etc invest so heavily in exclusive content? Third parties aren’t guaranteed. You have to have a guaranteed big hitter each month if they want to keep building on a subscription service. They don’t want people dipping in and out.
It feels like Phil wanting to avoid microsofts past mistakes with their purchased studios has been pretty hands off, which is good but there has to be a firm hand somewhere to ensure the games actually get out.
there's a chronic mismanagement of studios
I am not expecting much for this year in that presentation.
I expect a first view on Star Field, but wont be as meaningful due to the delay.
I expect potentially an announcement for Death Loop Definitive Edition (or something like that), but who knows if they can even talk about it until September.
Maybe they surprise with Motorsport dated for December.
Lots of footage for games we seen CGI for, but wont show until 2023.
I expect the biggest news to be that they managed to secure some big third party triple A games as day one release on Game Pass, maybe something from WB.
People keep taking about studio mismanagement but if these had been rushed and pushed out the door just to meet this year’s deadline and then been crappy broken games, wouldn’t that also be mismanaging?
@awp69 by now, I have just started to hit the ignore button on anyone tossing the mismanagement line.
Overall, studios are doing fine, given the pandemic and everything all over the industry being delayed. Since the XSX launched, XBox Game Studios have released quite a few games. Problem is due to pre-existing agreements, many of these games are either multi-plat, or only on PlayStation for now.
Studio acquisitions are not magic, it takes multiple years for them to actually start cranking out console exclusives.
The most important thing is that Xbox exclusive studio games are top quality AAA, the must have game pass or a Xbox console for. The games that gets everyone talking and praising massively.
If delays create that type of game then that is very good. If the delay like Halo Infinite creates a good bit not a game pass or console top draw AAA then the delay is some what wasted.
Not sure about anyone else but I’ve played most of the major 1st party games on gamepass and all I am left with now is side scrollers, dungeon crawlers and indies, not having a go at these games but these should be fillers in between a steady flow of 1st party studio games. This is due to the pandemic of course but how much longer can our patience last. If Forza Motorsport comes out I will be one happy chappie.
Said it for months, no way ya getting Starfield in 2022!! Was shouted down, told i’m clueless!! Even called a PS fanboy!!
I prefer they release Starfield as the best it can be rather than satisfy lurkers waiting to press "send" on their "another unfinished game" comments and articles. It may still launch as a buggy mess, but we should be pleased that developers are seeing what happened to Cyberpunk (and Halo tbh) and taking a longer look at release dates.
All right, now that's just ridiculous. I've just read the delay news and it's definitely not looking good for Microsoft/Bethesda and whoever else (I don'tcare). I know, I know, "you can't rush art", "crunch is bad", "let them have the time they need"... those are all valid arguments, for SMALL studios, with limited funds and few team members. HOWEVER, we're talking about multi-billion corporations here. Get a grip and get things done already! I'm honestly so full of this weak management, pathetic excuses and those endless delays, from the LARGEST companies in the game industry...that's why I've been investing my time and cash on indie games: they seem to be more competent and more authentic in their products and overall transparency.
Sorry for the rant.
I'm out.
(Drops mic in anger/ disgust)
This was always going to be a problem with transferring subscription model from videos to games.. keeping steady stream of new content is harder. Unless MS turns to a bite-sized content, episodic games with few hours of gameplay a month.
Most people that jumped on GP early are slowly but surely running out of reasons to justify 15$ a month.
You can’t turn a big ship on a dime. If we accept it takes 3-5 years to make a triple AAA game then everyone crying out ‘Xbox can’t ship games’ doesn’t make sense. They only bought Bethesda a little while ago.
Plans they’re making now for consistent quality content won’t come into play for a few years. Not to mention pandemic delays on games currently in development which are affecting Sony too. If God of War gets pushed (which is very likely) what first party Sony games are coming this year?
If in 2025, there’s huge delays and Xbox has nothing for the year then I’ll be the first to come back to this post and say I was wrong. But for now, there’s nothing to worry about.
Yup, definitely agree they need to have a banger of a showcase now. I got the Series X over the PS5 for now since I already have a PS4 Pro. But if they don’t reveal anything cool for this year during the Showcase… I’ll be very disappointed. First world problems, I know lol.
@Scenes you make a mostly fair point on the first half, but Bethesda wasn’t the only studio they bought, there were more before, plus the studios didn’t stop making games during the acquisitions. But I agree it takes time + COVID.
But as for Sony they’ve already released Horizon: ForbIdden West and Gran Turismo 7 in 2022, whereas Xbox Game Studios have released nothing on Xbox and now delayed their two biggest releases to next year. That doesn’t currently look good.
@themightyant true but hfw and gt7 were delayed out of 2021 and GoW still isn't sure to be releases this year. So without the delays Sony might have been in the same situation for this year . The damn pandemic just screwed up a lot of stuff on both sides.
It is what it is, and should eventually make for better games, which is what we all want in the end.
That said, if any devs on the show even dare to utter something like "...and we can't wait for you to play (insert game title)!", I may just throw something at the screen.
I do hope they have a surprise release to drop in the showcase next month or at least some ones coming this year to help fill the gap.
I mean. About half of their studios should have gameplay trailers by now. It makes no sense we don't see at least 10 new gameplay trailers.
I still have lots to play, I really don't care about the delay. We get a new CoD this year, if they hurry up it will be a XBox Gamestudio's game
@Lavalera
I doubt the pandemic is still an issue. I already see states that don't wear masks.
@RevGaming what does mask wearing now have to do with the game development over the last 2 years? The closing of offices the working from home added a lot of extra months to game development and the unexpected omnicron version last winter threw stuff back again after society was slowly starting to work normally again. So yeah all that stuff pushed all games back several months which they can't simply get back now
@themightyant But we have no idea what's coming at the showcase. They could announce Motorsport, Hellblade 2 and some other stuff we have no clue is coming.. and Sony could have nothing.. or Sony could announce stuff too. And that would be fine also.
There's a Steve Jobs quote from 1997 "We have to let go of this notion that for Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose". Xbox fans seem to be stuck in that mind set.
If you think it's a zero-sum game and Sony has to lose for Xbox to win. Spoiler: We lost. Years ago. Game over. It's also amusing to me how those guys don't seem to count the switch at 107 million sold which is kinda eating everyones lunch, but the 'war' is Xbox v Sony only for some reason.
If the worse case scenario this year is Sony has God of War 2 for the holidays and Xbox has maybe Motorsport.. Xbox pucks and TV apps for their Xbox Everywhere initiative. That sounds like a pretty good year to me.
@RevGaming that might apply to studios who are starting development now. Everyone who’s been making games during covid had their schedule completely altered, and studios like Bethesda and Santa Monica have been transparent about this. Ragnarok and Starfield were pushed back massively due to remote work and countless other factors.
@Lavalera I mean weren't they considering that when they announced the release date last year? If anything it's been easier vs 2020 and 2021. I think these are just regular delays that happen pre pandemic.
@Enriesto but yet again, santa monica knew this. I just can't seem to believe it's the pandemic when they knew they were going to take longer because of it.
This is disappointing but also a bit overblown. If Xbox didn't own Bethesda guess what....the game would have launched it whatever state it was in and they would have been berrated for not delaying. When they gave us the date on Nov 11 22 they were likely expecting things to be getting better in the world with COVID but we've seen some resurgence. They made a tough decision to delay the game so it's better. Last year a lot of folks were saying Xbox gets no credit for Starfield because it's been mostly development before they bought them.... today it's all Xboxs fault for miss managing the game? I do believe they need a bit more oversight on projects and this is them stepping on and making yet another though call for a delay. Still should have known this a few months ago so definitely need to keep them check-ins a bit more frequent. We'll see what they announce, personally I'm not hurting for games, but I know a lot of folks want something new. They really need to get their pipeline in order because it's not looking good from the outside looking in today. In June we might change our minds once they show us what's behind the curtain but definitely not in the spotlight for the right reasons today.
As of today I have no expectations for june. If they don't show anything from 1. party which is released in the next 6 months I will just laugh hysterically
@RevGaming I’m not sure I understand your ultimate point, but it’s fine, I think we agree at least somewhat on the pandemic’s impact on these studios. Both SM and Bethesda knew almost immediately they’d have to delay their games once covid hit everyone. Every studio wrestled with this differently in terms of when to release these titles, when they had forecast something completely different before 2020 changed everything.
For instance, do you think it’s Bethesda’s fault this is being delayed? I certainly don’t. It sucks, but they worked with what they could the last couple of years and couldn’t hit their target date. It’s happening all through the industry.
Why does every news article have to descend into “yeah but Sony delayed this or Sony delayed that”…. It’s irrelevant and Sony charge per game so if they delay you delay paying. The Xbox model is now subscription based so when they delay their games we continue to pay and don’t get the games. As others have said the GPU main draw is the first party exclusives and this year it’s worse than sparse.
I rely on Xbox mainly for third-party games. For that, Series X has served me well.
People are making the impact to GamePass from this overblown. I’ll continue to pay for GamePass because there’s also plenty of great third party games on it every month. I like to save money and it’s done exactly that, with or without first party games. Just one game, Sniper Elite 5, will save me $60 this month and there’s been a bunch of other good games released in addition to just that one. Heck, they haven’t even announced the second half of the month’s games yet.
First party games alone are not why I sub to GP.
On the plus side it means more time to deal with the backlog, but there’s no escaping this is embarrassing news for Microsoft. With the studios under their wing there should be a consistent stream of First Party AAA releases - not a constant stream of excuses and delays. Let’s hope for more positive news on FM, Perfect Dark, Fable and Deathloop.
@Enriesto
Idk. It could be their fault.
I just think the delay is not because of covid and it's just a typical delay games often get.
@awp69 Losing out on one game isn't enough to break Gamepass but it needs to be a wake up call for Microsoft. Last year their schedule was
July - Flight Simulator
August - Psychonauts
October - Age of Empires 4
November - Forza Horizon 5
December - Halo Infinite
This year has been nothing. Their pacing is off. Release a game a quarter. If you've got two then hold one back and either let developers work a little more on it or use it in case of a delay. Subscriptions are different than normal releases and Microsoft needs to figure it out.
@Scenes I don’t think it’s a zero-sum game at all. In fact the companies have to push each other forward, learn from each other and increase the size of the industry, increase the size of the pie. Ultimately I don’t think anyone has to lose for others to win, though there is obviously some market share trading.
I also don’t currently see anyone of the big 3 ‘losing’ currently. Example: while Xbox one was a RELATIVE failure, it still sold 50 million units, that is not unsuccessful it’s just not AS successful as they wanted especially in terms of market share. While they ARE currently firmly in 3rd of the big 3, I don’t see that as ‘losing’ either. Losing is Stadia or possibly Luna and others. No, to me calling any of them ‘losing’ is like calling Federer, Nadal or Djokovic a loser, they are all winners in my eyes just to different degrees. Plus Xbox is seemingly on an upward trajectory.
Regardless as a fan of all gaming (Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo and others) I want to see each doing well, and keeping each other honest and competitive. But also none are free from criticism when deserved. Case in point: Currently this year Xbox’s first party release slate is dire - ZERO games launched and biggest two releases pushed back to 2023. But that doesn’t mean it will remain that way. It may well be like last year which was back loaded. XGS had nothing in the first 6 months and then released several good games in the last 6, there’s still time but it currently doesn’t look as rosy as 2021.
As for Nintendo, they are doing something different - and I’m glad they are, as they couldn’t compete directly - competition is good. Though as their console is a handheld hybrid it’s not an apples to apples comparison (not that many comparisons often are). Regardless It’s still catching up to the PS4 (117 million) though, which it will do this year, so it’s not like it’s completely running away from everyone either.
TLDR: For me it’s simple. Praise each when it is due, call out when things aren’t good enough - and for me the current XGS release slate isn’t good enough. But I’d LOVE to see that change, ultimately all I want is a steady flow of good games.
@RedShirtRod Well we're still getting content this month with both the Lone Woves for Halo Infinite and the (Just Announced) Knights of the Mediterranean for AoE3DE
Just a few days ago we've got Dynasties of India for AoE2DE and before that we've a full rework for both Britain and Spain as well as Mexico for AoE3DE
While i do want Full Games to come, its not that we're going empty handed with content
Here are my predictions for this June's e3.
1. Starfield UNCUT gameplay
2. Redfall gameplay trailer
3. Gears 6 story trailer
4. Indiana Jones gameplay trailer
5. Doom 3 teaser
6. State of Decay 3 uncut gameplay
7. Everwild gameplay trailer
8. Fmotorsport release date with gameplay
9. Fable story trailer
10. Avowed gameplay trailer
11. Perfect dark story trailer
12. Hellblade 2 combat gameplay
13. Compulsion's next game gameplay trailer
Mic Drop: Minecraft 2.
Along with some updates to minecraft dungeons, grounded, sea of thieves, fh5 etc.
@Bleachedsmiles Developers need just follow my golden rule.
If game is not guaranteed to go gold in 6 months. They just need shut their mouths as if game does not exist.
I've been saying this for at least 7 years now. It's not hard. Would avoid soooooooooo many issues.
Remember when Plankton tires to get SpongeBob to make him a krabby patty by giving him whatever he wants? Xbox is Plankton.
Giving studios all the time, resources, and freedom in the world is why their games take forever/never come out. Don't screw them over like they did with Ensemble and Lionhead but you gotta be willing to put your foot down before things go too far.
Looking at things on a “calendar year” basis seems to be a bit silly since we got Forza Horizon 5 and Halo Infinite in November and December - that was 6 months ago ish. When Playstation got Horizon and GT7 they had also had a big gap in first party releases.
If Xbox had released one of those 2 games in January 2022 instead of the end of 2021 would they still be in this comparison conversation? I just think it’s weird to cut off on 31st December.
Of course it will be a huge gap if Xbox release nothing this calendar year but I really hope they surprise us in (less than!) a month.
@awp69 you don’t sub to gamepass for first party titles alone… that’s fine. But I reckon you can see why Xbox first party releasing day 1 on gamepass adds value to gamepass? I reckon you can see why announcing dates of high profile first party games would have people subscribing to gamepass?
Also you need to remember that players are frustrated with the pattern - the announcement of games far too early never alongside gameplay…followed by the inevitable delay. It’s frustrating… a frustration that’s multiplied if you’re paying a monthly sub waiting for these games.
Also need to remember that the Xbox fanbase has been teased for years by Microsoft with the anticipation of their 23 studios? Out putting something other than the staple of gears/halo/Forza. It’s been 5 years since they bought their studios…the studios haven’t released any first party exclusives…we’ve barely seen gameplay on what they’re working on. There’s frustration with Xbox’s management there…multiplied when you’re investing in a yearly sub.
And then you add on the fact that since the Bethesda acquisition the only platform that’s been getting Bethesda games is PlayStation.
You add on the fact that Xbox has release zero games so far this year and we’re approaching June with no real knowledge on if they’ll release any games the rest of the year.
You add on the fact that the big day 1 third party hitters this year have so far been delayed too.
Then you can understand why the delay of something like starfield hits harder and causes such frustration
@GuyinPA75 yep it seems an obvious thing to do. Which is why you have to wonder why they don’t do it…MS in particular have been burnt by delays before. I think the answer is probably simple… announcing things early makes them money. Gets people investing in subs. Gets the share holders happy. Otherwise why keep setting yourself up to fall?
I think with smaller titles we’ll start to see the gap between announce and release closer. I can imagine Bethesda showing Quake and that releasing by the end of the year…they certainly need something like that, or a new doom.
But we really do need to see Xbox studios start not announcing anything till they at the very least have gameplay to show.
@themightyant some good points. To be clear, I wasn’t suggesting those were your personal views just the raging voice of the internet in general.
For me, I’d rather have some great game pass announcements with third parties which could come at anytime. Rather then guaranteed first parties.
If it is a quiet first party year that would go a long way to making up the perceived lack of games.
If Microsoft had planned to increase the price of Gamepass Ultimate they can safely put that thought to bed in my view....
No Redfall and Starfield in 2022 = No Gampass Ultimate price increase.
Otherwise they will be receiving headlines such as "forever delays games but increases prices"...
Not a good look 🤣
The upcoming presentation as I said when it was first mentioned needs more than flashy trailers.
Put simply, we need solid release dates..
The generation at 18 months in needs release dates at this point, let's see if they can deliver.
I hope this strong backlash will stir Microsoft into action.. Phil apparently says he's heard the feedback, only time will tell.
This delay will have been calculated months ago and there will have been measures to either pull some games forward or pull out the chequebook and sign up some 3rd party timed exclusives to fill the gap.
Makes me look forward to the June showcase even more. Its nice Microsoft remembers the importance of gamer christmas (ie the E3 slot)
@Scenes You are right about the raging voice of some on the internet who irrationally want it both ways. I tend to ignore them as frankly it's irrational nonsense.
I'm sure we will see more third-party titles to take up the slack. Microsoft tend to dig a little deeper when their first party games are missing. As I said on another comment, we won't be short of things to play on Game Pass.
@K1LLEGAL You are right that doing it by calendar year is strange, it is an arbitrary date. So lets look at the entire console generation. The trouble is that in the 18 months since Xbox Series X came out Xbox Game Studios has only released 5 new games by my count. That's including Flight Sim which launched 11 months earlier on PC, and Age of Empires IV which launched on PC only, so just 4 on Xbox.
It took from the launch of the new Xbox consoles more than 8 months till Flight Sim for XGS to a launch a new game on their new console. They then had a great 5 months. But there has been nothing in the 6 months since and there looks to be little until Deathloop, likely in September, unless they shadow drop something quickly.
If we look at the competition PS Studios put out 11 new games in that same timeframe, with fewer studios, including 4 at release. To be fair many of us called out Sony when they had a quiet 7+ months too from Ratchet to Horizon, filled with only remasters/Directors cuts/DLC. But somehow they have still manged to put out over twice as many games in the same timeframe which seems like a far better return.
Honestly it feels like we keep waiting for this deluge of first party games from Xbox that never seem come. Every year we say "this is the year" and every year it seems to be "mañana, mañana"... probably next year. It will come eventually, but it will have been a long, long wait indeed.
"Why don't they just wait till it's ready?"
"Why don't they stick to release dates?"
"We need to hold devs accountable!"
There's a great video from Alanah Pierce that just went up answering peoples misconceptions/misunderstandings about video game development and just how hard it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrmlDL1N_fs
@Scenes I watched that earlier. It is a pretty well balanced video as ever from Alanah, but I don't actually see many people with those complaints here. (Though perhaps i've ignored them and they DO exist in numbers on PX, like they do on Twitter.)
Instead I have seen more issue with Xbox's Game Studio's release cadence as a whole - the Macro level not the Micro -which seems far more valid IMO. Individual game delay, no problem; but whole 6-8+ months without games from any Xbox studios for the second time in 18 months is an issue, and continuation of a long term problem for Microsoft.
"Xbox has no (first party) games" was a meme for a reason last gen, and while it was always overplayed and used in toxic ways from fanboys it did have a basis in truth. As a Day 1 XBO & XSX owner who would like to see a better return from their wealth of studios I don't think that is unreasonable.
Game making IS hard, but other studios and companies seem to be managing it much better right now.
@themightyant Yea i’m one of those who is waiting for this landslide of Xbox content that I can kind of see on the horizon; but as time goes on we don’t seem to be getting any closer. (I’m sure 2023 will be the year 😉 for reals this time). My point was that yea Xbox could have spaced them out more but for no reason other than to have one in 2022 so it could be part of this years conversation. Out of interest what was the 5th game you were referring to? Psychonauts or Gears Tactics? Weirdly the same thing applies to 2020 where they had Battletoads and Grounded (and PC gears Tactics) that they could have saved until November just so they could be part of the conversation for the new-gen.
But yea anyway I still love my Series X and have way too much content to get through (especially now I have a Son). I had many opportunities to buy a PS5 this week and still just couldn’t see the content on that side either so didn’t go for it. Any casual gamer would be extremely happy with the content on either side - we’re just in a bit of a bubble as the ones who bleed video games.
@themightyant can you point to what other studios and companies are managing it better right now?
Sony delayed GT7 and Horizon 2 GOW2 is already a year late.
CDPR Cyberpunk and Witcher
Elden Ring was delayed
Square Enix delayed Life is strange
Dying Light 2 was delayed
What games companies do you feel are nailing it?
@K1LLEGAL I agree with all you said here.
Psychonauts 2 was what I was including. I suppose if I included Flight Sim which originally launched before the Series X then Gears Tactics (originally launched April 2020) should be included too, but it doesn't really change the numbers much or the general point at all.
I also feel conflicted because with Game Pass I have more than I could ever have time to play, that part of their business is absolutely brilliant, as is the console itself. But that doesn't mean that the first party studios are releasing at anywhere near what i'd expect yet. Yes it takes time, but honestly it feels like they've had plenty.
@Scenes I was specifically thinking of the PlayStation Studios who as a whole have released more than twice the number of new games for PS5 in the same timeframe. As I said individual delays aren't the problem - if the game isn't ready delay it, it's the right thing to do. It's the larger more widespread problem for Xbox that keeps coming back.
You can be happy with one aspect of their business (Console, Game Pass) and think another needs a lot of work.
@themightyant Yea this is why I kind of wish Xbox had one (or two or whatever) studio dedicated to creating smaller bite size titles which can release at a more rapid rate and fill in the gaps. They can be more experimental and can rotate through various IPs and genres.
The output really isn’t good enough as you said - if not for these acquisitions things would be actually terrible which is worrying - we still would have Forza and Halo but then crickets until …Perfect Dark? Fable? The whole Deathloop/Ghostwire thing doesn’t help either but at least Xbox is still getting them.
@K1LLEGAL 100%
Sadly it's what The Initiative was meant to be. Almost a super-studio formed of top industry veterans poached from the best studios worldwide who were tired of the AAA homogeny, slow release cadences and endless sequels. 'Come together to iterate new ideas quickly, with more creative freedom just like you used to.' seemed to be the rally cry and sales pitch. Many were tempted from their old jobs to join on the basis of this initiative, it's even in the name. But sadly at some point there was a shift and it became just another AAA studio making a Perfect Dark sequel. Disillusioned with the studio and process it has led to a mass exodus of around half it's core development team.
Moreover many experienced developers are leaving the industry for good. If this experiment had worked it could have shown another way and led to more smaller focused studios, making more creatively interesting things and lessened the talent drain. To be fair Covid really didn't help, starting a new studio is hard enough at the best of times, but it's a real shame regardless
@themightyant totally. But my point is all those games were delayed too. Psychonauts 2 was originally due to ship years earlier so also delayed.
If the PS5 was due to launch in 2019 as been reported then Miles Morales and the launch games you’re pointing to as ‘shipping on time’ were actually delayed a year and no one noticed.
I don’t think Sony having released more next gen first party games at this point is due to better planning or management. More luck.
@Scenes Luck certainly plays a part, but I also think you make you're own luck to an extent. I DO think Sony's management of their studios is better than Microsoft's right now. For years now they have had a steady cadence of games regardless of delays. Many of these have been of the highest calibre, and it seems to be the bar that many in the industry aim at. It's just as well as they are losing ground in most other notable areas.
That's not to say things won't change given time, I truly think they will, but as an Xbox fan that has been saying "this is the year" for FAR too many years it will be long past due.
Post Script: Other than the endless, baseless rumour mill I never saw a reputable source say PS5 was releasing in 2019, not convinced by that at all. But even if it was true delaying a year to allow for more games and consoles to be finished would have been good management, right?
@themightyant fair point. Can’t argue with the quality of Sony first party titles. Can’t wait till we get there with Xbox. 👍
@Scenes Me neither! Thought to be fair the quality from Xbox last year was brilliant, even if I wasn't AS big a fan of FH5 and Halo: Infinite as some others, they were still objectively good games.
Hopefully that will continue into a consistent long running theme and not be a one off blip.
Xbox and Bethesda has a lot to show for this years E3. Buuut, Todd Howard are probably just gonna show us Skyrim: Limpdick edition anyway
I'm assuming this may be due to the pandemic and the shut down back in the spring of 2020. However, the thing I'm most disappointed in is that Starfield was announced with a date of release. The people who run these companies set 'goals', and most of these goals they set are to be achieved and accomplished by others. Working at any company feels like someone else is writing a check that I have to cash. I wonder if and when that date was announced if the employees who are actually working on the game were thinking 'that's never going to happen'.
Xbox needs exclusives and needs them fast especially this year, Sony had a better sales month with the PS5 in April after Xbox had a better January, February and March. The way it is and let's be honest, gamers around the world trust Sony more than Microsoft to deliver on games and deliver on AAA games. Microsoft needs to reverse that way of thinking and the only way they can is to deliver great first party games. Delaying Starfield and Redfall to 2023 will hurt Xbox this holiday season, but let's hope there are some other games especially on Game Pass that will arrive this holiday season and these games to be announced next month. The Xbox showcase in June will be Microsoft's most important one...ever.
On another note, if Starfield and Red Fall comes out, let's say in February or March or even April, that wouldn't be so bad as it will still be winter and most of us will be inside. It will be great to have some great new games to play during the first few months of the year, since most big blockbuster games come during the last two or three months of the year. However, if these two games come out closer to the middle of the year, let's say May or June, right at the start of warm weather, that wouldn't be so good. But I wouldn't be surprised if these two games come out in the fall of 2023 with another delay.
Here's hoping the new Forza Motorsport game comes out this holiday season along with a few other games especially on Game Pass...
They have Scorn, if it turns out good that will be a big win for Xbox. A horror game with a totally new atmosphere to any game I ever saw.
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