Opinion: As The Dust Settles On PS5 Pro, I'm Still Glad Xbox Didn't Bother

I would agree with many things said in this article. I don’t think a pro system was needed this gen and this is not about bashing Sony. I’m too grown to be playing in the system wars. These are just my opinions. Visually there’s not much of a difference between the PS5 and the PS5 pro. It was different last gen after the consoles came out, many people were picking up 4K TVs. They wanted to see that higher resolution. There’s also not many games taking advantage of the pro system and then the 700 dollar price tag on top of that. The one thing I hope all console manufacturers get out of this is we don’t want to pay 700 for a console. Maybe it’ll deter them in the future from pricing a system that high.

I had it in my basket and didn’t do it. They were still available today.

I have read up more now and of course some DF.
Basically some bits good some not so good.

The last of us a beautiful game had a better picture in PS5 quality mode.
The Pro of course run it at 60fps but uses this new PSSR but it was slightly worse when pausing and zooming in than the PS5 quality mode picture wise, something about grass etc.

See they seem to use the standard lower resolution say 1440p and use PSSR to upscale.

I have always said and it shows you can’t beat native 4K for picture perfect.

So basically it’s all a bit of tricky upscaling with not a lot of benefit.

I had the Xbox one x mid generation upgrade and a game like farcry 4 run at native 4K looked better than the Xbox one version that’s an upgrade native 4K.

PS5 Pro £700 no thank you Sony.

My “pro” console for this generation turned out to be a pc. A significant upgrade over my series x and ps5 thanks largely to a far more capable cpu and an nvidia gpu which has all the cutting edge ai technologies in addition to its raw power. At £700 the ps5 pro just doesn’t represent great value for me, it’s still using the same ancient cpu as the base ps5. The gpu technologies are a combination of amd’s rdna raytracing which is still years behind nvidia and a bespoke ai upscaling solution that is unlikely to surpass dlss which has a huge lead in both development time and iterations. It’s also been confirmed that the ps5 pro will still have some 30fps games, and for £700 that’s a deal breaker.

This feels more like a market test for pricing than a Pro version

Well if you want to play the games the best way possible ,I suppose that's a reason to buy one, gta6 and cod will look better and play better on the pro and Sony will use that in there advertising, they're already pushing this console harder than they ever did for the ps4 pro, if you can afford one and want one go for it , if you can't afford one or you don't want one , that's fine too , but don't crap on the console or the people who have one.

Disagree. Series X has too many games with poor frame rates and it does feel held back by series S. It seems to me there has been lack of pushing the series X and only a few titles that hint at what the series X would be capable off. As someone who appreciates tech in games and wishes to see platforms pushed hard, its been difficult generation, but particularly for xbox.
Ive also recently changed tv, and where I used to be able to handle 30fps for some titles, I now feel ill playing pretty much anything at 30 fps. Improvements in tech that help with frame rate consistency and offer higher refresh rates are therefore extremely welcome to me.
I acknowledge such machines are intended for a small subset of players (maybe 10%), but I'm part of that group, and will very much notice the changes. 20 years developing tech pathways for AAA games means you have to notice, and I cant turn that off.
Choice is good thing, and Im glad I get that choice elsewhere.

As Ive already acknowledged though, 90% of players wont notice much of a difference and certainly wont want to pay for it. I will definitely notice and enjoy, and I bought my pro within 10 minutes of it going live. My only regret was not getting the 30th anniversary one as my basket f****d up!

I watched that DF video. I can definitely see improvements. The biggest improvement for me is image quality, games look how we were promised on the X and 5. For the love of god though, stop pushing 8k, it’s dead, no one is interested.

While I can see and appreciate the improvements, it’s not enough for me to personally upgrade from the PS5 I already own, especially as it has no disc drive as standard and half the PS5 games I own are on disc. I ain’t paying an extra £100 so I can play games I already own.

I’ll keep a watchful eye on the Pro, it’s a sign of what’s next and what we can expect from PS6 and that’s interesting, but right now I have no interest in buying one due to the price and lack of disc drive.

Bingo, I'm still kinda of waiting on Microsoft to step up the game and push the Series X to its limits as is.

If they did I wouldn't be buying it no way am I spending over 500 quid on a console maybe if I was single no kids or misses on my own but I'm not that selfish to my family to do that!

I’m a die-hard PS fan but have zero interest in dropping $700 on a console I’d have to add a disc drive to in order to access my already owned games.

I’ll happily stick with my peasant-class PS5.

@OldGamer999 DLSS can look better than native 4k. PSSR isn’t there yet as it’s new but these AI upscalers are the future like it or not. You have to leave the native 4k thing behind my friend.

If anything Microsoft needed the Pro more than Sony as our first party studios really have trouble getting past 30fps, of course that would have created a nightmare because of the S so now both companies have two systems developers have to develop for.

It definitely wouldn't move the needle for xbox. It's not like that would lead to much for console sales. This is a very niche market. It wouldn't target new gamers for the xbox ecosystem and would really just be targeting the very small super consumer group that would upgrade from their seriesX.

Personally I would rather wait an extra 2 years and get a new generation of consoles. I wouldn't want to spend close to $800 then do it all over again in a short time when the new ones come out. The generation gap is already very small, ps5 pro will only make ps6 look like even less of an upgrade.

@Fenbops
Well if they stopped trying to get to realistic, ray tracing, level of detail etc they could stick with 4K and probably 60fps.
Also many many games are becoming badly optimised, especially if they are multi platform.
Just look at SW outlaws it’s not great upscaling from 1080p and God knows why, it does not look that good.

But I do take your point it is future but for all the wrong reasons.

@Fenbops Never a truer word said. The best ai upscaling offers better picture quality than native rendering. Internal rendering resolution as a metric has lost all meaning on PC and it will be the same on pro. In an extreme case this might mean a 1440 30fps game on ps5 will have 1080p 60fps version on pro with better output picture quality.
Dlss is the class leader currently, but Sonys new ai upsampler is already an impressive second, and as it develops via firmware updates it will get even better.
Options for devs are good and will let them offer different modes for different customers..

Exciting times, I always enjoy new tech that really changes things!

@Titntin heh, I think many of us are just suckers for shiny new things! I’d love to splash on a PS5 Pro, but no way I can spend that much.

I already have a Series X that I still play every day, and will settle for a regular PS5 when I decide to supplement my gaming, some time next year

Good news is all the games will still play perfectly fine on the S/X/5

But how many times have people moaned that they want FPS and Graphics? So Sony have given this option.

I’m all for options, that’s why I think games should have both a 30/60 mode.

This gen still doesn’t feel “all in” to me. There are great games out but many I feel aren’t too dissimilar from last gen and with a lot of the same issues. I sorta wish the console manufacturers would sit in a holding pattern until devs and publishers get their act together. A lot of stuff has been going on for a long time and throwing new hw at it isn’t fixing the problem. Performance issues due to poor optimization or QA, delays, day 1 patches that are massive… i find myself more and more pulling away from looking towards the future of gaming.

Yeah I have no real interest in a PS5 Pro, especially when I took a look at it's list of enhanced titles. There simply isn't enough in the way of new games pushing the boundaries to make me want a newer more expensive console right now.

I wonder what Sony and Xbox do with their controllers next gen. On the one hand xbox is behind on the features of their controller. But on the other hand the features Sony offer are hardly ever used and very gimmicky, I don't feel that it adds anything to the experience. I could see both of them course correcting in opposite directions next gen. Xbox deciding to catch up and sony deciding it's not worth it to push the controller as anything more than an input device.

I feel like developers rushing to get games to a playable state before their publisher demand they launch don't really consider the controller features very much. And they will pretty much all be releasing on pc where it's anyone's guess which controllers are being used.

I saw F1 25 on the pro and it makes me wish I was either a Sony player or Xbox had a pro.

@GotRedOnMe73 I didnt mention that bit, I am a complete sucker for shiny new tech! Ive bought just about everything since the buisness started, had to import it all in the early days as gaming wasnt much of a thing in the west back then. I bought a neo geo when they first appeared for stupid money (about £1600 inflation adjusted) , so the Pro didnt feel that bad.
I barely get time to play the switch that I have, but I'll be first in the queue for switch 2!

I'm the first person to say everything said here and more in every article about the PS5 Pro. It's absolutely true, and people do need to be informed about it. More importantly prospective buyers need to be truly informed about what they're really getting vs what the marketing has a lot of buyers thinking they're getting. It isn't that. It's a $700 scaler with a mostly insignificant performance bump and a larger SSD. If a better scaler is worth $700 to people, fine, it's a terrible, horrifying value proposition but if that's what people want, fine, but they need to know thats what they're buying. 1TB and an AI scaler. The GPU bump is marginal and mostly just able to smooth out framerates a little better.

The problems with the pro are that the base console was released too soon before tech was where it needed to be to be a valid leap, and thus as new games came out these base consoles both look awful. Then the second problem is not ENOUGH time has gone by since then at the current evolution of tech to have a meaningful upgrade from it so it feels like a half-step for a whole price. Selling that as sort of a "do over" so the games "suck less than before" feels wrong on both counts. The ROOT problem is that both consoles are just PCs now, and developers don't truly make versions of the game meant to run at it's best on the hardware at hand, all games are made for some future hardware that doesn't exist yet and/or PCs.

Even so, it just seems like bad form for an Xbox site to have a whole article putting down a PS model. Even though it's true, even though the rumor of the PS5 pro and my expectations on price being spot on being among the things that pushed me to PC to begin with...just seems...wrong. It's a discussion to argue from within the PS community but seems a bit cheap to argue about it from without.

I think this is a conversation that WILL come back across all parties during the run up to next gen though, where we know both companies will now be looking at those $700+ price points as valid. People insist "no, Sony knows that's enthusiasts and they need an affordable console for the masses." Many of these are the same people that insisted "No PS5 Pro won't be $750 LOL, they know better, it'll be $550-600 and the base console will be $450-500!" Phil already lubed us up for "consoles will be, maybe, more expensive than people are used to paying." We know what's coming from both of them.

@Titntin not sure I agree with PSSR being second, haven’t DF said it’s not quite up to XeSS just yet either, but it’s an impressive start and a huge improvement over FSR which is complete dog poo. The only thing I would say is that DLSS is amazing but the vast majority of users are using monitors obviously so it’s easier to present a clearer image on a smaller screen. With PSSR it’ll be the reverse with most playing on TV’s I imagine so that in itself will be interesting.

@OldGamer999 I agree with devs relying on upscaling too much instead of optimising their games properly, that definitely happens. But if these AI upscalers improve image quality and give performance back that’s only a positive thing. If a dev can get it right and optimise and use an upscaler, it’s golden.

I hope the best for PlayStation, they are doing many things well. In my taste this is not one of them, and I'm glad Xbox skipped the mid-gen refresh altogether (at least, that's what it seems).

But, PS5 Pro leave a lot of questions on the table:
Is this the price we need to be prepared on the future?

How could these hardware sell if it's that complicated to show their advantages in YouTube, TV ads?

Is this the end of pursuing high-end graphics, that are moving away consoles from a convenient and relatively cheap way to play games, appealing to the mass market?

We will see.

What Nintendo have proved and probably smartly done in a few ways.
You can get around all this flash stuff within reason and sell over 140 million consoles and millions of games.

@Fenbops People are unnecessarily harsh on FSR. Yes, people on the PC side complain about FSR because compared to DLSS it's bad. People on the console side say FSR is bad because, well, just look at it, but FSR has multiple modes, and both consoles seem to be using the performance mode most of the time which, yes, looks absolutely horrible, across the board and nobody should use it ever, the Ultra mode (on PCs) looks quite good. As good as DLSS? No. But a heck of a lot better than the console mode used. FSR isn't the best, but it gets an unfair rep because of how consoles abuse it, and because of just how good DLSS is.

@NEStalgia Agreed. FSR, itself, isn't bad. How developers have been using it is the bad part!

@Titntin I think the Series X can match the Playstation easily, but it's held back by the S and poor console sales (most developers will us PS5 as the base and then port to Xbox).

That being said I'm of the opinion that great art design will always beat "realistic" graphics. I would rather have that with smooth gameplay than the best, hi-fidelity, most extreme graphics but inconsistent framerates.

No need if games aren't even releasing on a regular basis. Jus sayin....

@NEStalgia I’m harsh on FRS but I do accept your point. Developers are using FSR trying to upscale from unreasonable resolutions. It goes back to what Oldgamer was saying, optimisation should come first.

@Titntin I think it’s a little premature to say that PSSR is the second best upscaler on the market. It’s one of three AI upscalers, DLSS is the obvious leader at this point in time, but the dedicated hardware based version of XeSS from intel wasn’t far off. FSR has always trailed both as it doesn’t rely on specific hardware and is a software implementation. I would wait for a proper deep dive into PSSR before saying it’s the second best upscaler right now.

I love my XSX. But when Xbox has options like the S, I dont understand why that's OK, but a more powerful option than the XSX isn't. This article comes across as defensive fanboi stuff. Consumer options is a great thing. And I'd love there to be a more powerful XSX available.

@Fenbops Also FWIW, 8k matters for VR. It matters a LOT actually. Right now current GPUs are holding back VR because they only have Displayport 1.4 and 4k is already saturating the bandwidth and can't push proper 8k, or soon, 12k, at all. In VR, 8k=4k per eye, at about an inch away from the eye, and it really takes about 9 or 10k for "retina" performance. Since PS does VR it's almost relevant, except that link protocol they're using doesn't support it, their headset can't use it, and there's not the slightest chance the hardware can render it.

I would have considered a Series X-X (?) if it was priced how the 1X was to the 1 but at £700 no way. At £700 I'd just buy a PC (upgrade mine) Would it be as good as a PS5? probably not but it would access to more games (including more and more PS exclusives) and I'd be able to tell it not to waste resources on 4K.

@NEStalgia fair enough. I don’t follow the VR stuff, I have zero interest in it 😂

I'd trade one of my XSX in at Gamestop when they run a promo for a XSX Pro, why not?

@Jenkinss why not? because one doesn’t exist?

Glad Xbox stayed away from mid-gen console refresh since later in the cycle some titles will suffer as with the PS4. I hope it stays at a minimum!

To me the differences were very noticeable, especially with the Formula One game! As a big F1 fan that almost won me over (and better frame rates), but that said, I'd rather wait when the real next-gen consoles come knocking on my door. We got to see a glimpse of the new tech they will be using so interested how that will go further down the line.

And hopefully, devs keep pushing the OG consoles and not simply point at a Pro for better frame rates.

@Utena-mobile Not a cynical question, but an honest one: which games on Series X run notably worse than PS5, due to Series S holding it back?

As someone who buys every system eventually, I'm having a hard time stomaching the 500€ fot the regular PS5, let alone 800€. I've bought a regular PS4 for 200€ near the end of it's cycle and could enjoy all the exclusives for very, very cheap.

Yes, I've paid 500€ for the Series X, but that was a worthwhile purchase for Quick Resume alone. I'm not prepared to pay more than 300€ (250€ would be even better) sometime in the future for the PS5 ultraslim.

I agree with you almost 100% on this, however I can't lie. IF I was in a better position financially, I would most likely buy a PS5 Pro. But since I'm in no position to drop nearly a grand Canadian on a game console, I'll just be sticking with my regular PS5 and Series X for the remainder of this generation.

without reading all the comments... there would be no point when Xbox are already supporting series X, series S and (in many cases) xbox one. yet another model would make things even most constrained

and (without sounding like an arse) money isn't a big issue (as a single grown up without kids!)... but if my xbox backlog was smaller I'd buy a ps5 for the exclusives. but I would buy a standard ps5, 100%. I could buy a ps5 digital and most of the exclusives I want to play for less than the £830 the pro costs with a disk drive and a stand!

Microsoft making a pro would be absolutely pointless, when they do little to no marketing, and when most consumers seem happy buying a series S over an X...

I have a series X and a switch, and play a lot of older games on my series X. I just don't see the huge benefit not on marginally improved graphics... its such marginal returns...

genuinely interested to see this 'biggety generational leap' that xbox talk about with the next console!!

@Neither_scene Your right of course. Until I have the machine and can make my own comparisons its far too early to call it. From the material I have been able to see, it seems pretty competent. Couple that with my usual over optimism and Im over calling it.
Just from a technology point of view I find it really interesting how this will develop. Sonys picture processing in its TVs are generally accepted as being the class leaders, so they do have some form in this area....

@NEStalgia Oh, thank you for the info. I'm a little peasant when it comes to this, lol! I didn't know that 8K was relevant for VR, as I'm yet to decide if VR is for me.

VR feels like it has (had?) the potential to be the "next big thing" in gaming, but so far, I haven't seen this "revolution" (as far as I see it).

@Utena-mobile Id' have to agree with both your points there. The Series X can more than outperform the ps5, its shame we dont see more examples where its clearly apparent.
.... and art design and interesting aethetics always trump tech. Even better when we can have both.

@HarmanSmith Well, it's relevant for VR, though I wouldn't say it's relevant for PSVR at least this generation....4k isn't really relevant there, lol, but in the up and coming near to long range future in VR, it'll be relevant with some true 8k and above headsets coming up, and a 12k one on the horizon.

About 60ppd gives you 'retina display" or "true to life" imaging in VR, and 8k or so gives you about 50-53ppd depending on display and lens. So close though not technically quite there. But in terms of GPU it needs more than that, you need to generally render higher than the actual display resolution because in software it needs to do postprocessing to each frame for lens correction (barrel distortion, chromatic abberation, all the stuff photographers use Photoshop for to correct for a specific lens design.) So to get 8k out you need more like 9 or 10k rendering.

I'm a huge VR fan personally, but it's still in that early tech era for sure. High cost is a big barrier, but Meta is lowering that barrier similar to Series S for 2D, and even with that people aren't biting, similar to Series S for 2D. Some of it is the tech and cost to do "really really good VR" is probably 20 years away for the average person. Some of it is people just not liking the wearable nature of it, and some due to the nausea phenomenon some have, etc....it's hard to get it to take off. But, man, once you get used to it, 2D gaming feels like a different medium entirely, and kind of quaint. But some people just don't take to it.

The tentpoles that sent me back to PC after swearing it off in 2010 or so were: Xbox consoles getting dubious, the PS5 Pro rumors and my (spot on) expectation on the future trajectory of console pricing, and the one-foot-in nature of PSVR2 vs what you can do (for a price) with PCVR. Between that and the PC handhelds being the GameBoy I always wanted, I made the jump.

Im sorry man, but this kinda reads like you do care. It comes across like youre overexplaining a lot about how happy you are Microsoft didnt do it. I bet you if Microsoft did come out with a Pro version, you'd be all over it.

Also, the main point of the PS5 Pro isnt to play last years games. Its for the upcoming 4 years worth of games.

And if Digital Foundry pixel peeping doesnt impress you, i hate to break it to you but "next gen" isnt gonna be a whole lot better. People need to stop expecting PS1 to PS2 levels of graphical difference between generations.

I pre-ordered one. I'm a tech geek, but I definitely didn't need a PS5 Pro. Just wanted one. Had no problem getting one. Just went on PS Direct and they still have them available so I believe the price ruined it for a lot of potential buyers.

Even if you don't like pro consoles, for backwards compatible it's always better to have a pro console. If you play PS5 games on the PS6, it will run those games better because it's using the PS5 pro version. For me personally the pro console is a huge plus. The PS6 is probably coming end of 2028. 8 year cycle. Pretty long but I like that because devs these days have so much work on games. It's a lot complexer then it used to be. So you can't come out with a total new gen of consoles to fast. So the pro is really nice for hardcore fans,...

It’s all very interesting we aimed for 4K at 60fps for decades and we achieved it even last generation especially with the mid generation ups grade and of course we can achieve this generation and did.
It because either we want or the industry is just doing it, we seem to be going down the super looking realistic route, which of course is pushing things to far, so something has to give which of course is resolution and fps.
If you take Forza Horizon 4 on series x it’s native 4K at 60fps. Why because the graphics are at the level the series x can do that.
It’s only because the industry want to try and take graphics further that we lose native 4K at 60fps.
And why do they do it, so all buy new graphics cards and consoles.
Forza horizon 5 has great graphics why do we need higher graphics.
Keep the graphics at FH5 level then we can run games at native 4K 60fps. And just make new games at that graphical level.

Meant FH4 level.

Just preordered PS5 Pro. Cant wait to play the best possible version of GTA6 (PC version still years away)

@BacklogBrad most games on the ps5 use the pad in some way that makes it superior to the xbox pad, not as much as they should granted but it's still head and shoulders above.

@OldGamer999 totally with you here. I have no interest in all the RT nonsense, give me SSR and baked lighting so that we can still have great looking games with a fidelity or performance mode. PS5 pro is an absolutely pointless piece of kit, it's nothing more than a tech demo. PC already exists for this stuff, next gen will exist for this stuff, but if the Devs keep getting laid off because they have to spend too long making the RT reflections and not enough time making good gameplay then none of us win

@OldGamer999 make your mind up.

You wanted to play ps5 pro quality with all the bells and whistles and shiny things on your top of the line tv.

Both of these companies have not released nearly enough to warrant a "Pro" version of their existing consoles. This generation has been disappointing. The last generation is carrying this one.

Exactly the returns are so diminishing...I find it laughably sad the people pretending there is some real noticeable difference...I get that it's easy to get swept up in it all..and think you need one....I was contemplating it before hand even though in back of my mind i knew damn well i wouldnt see or notice a difference from my base ps5....it's why its probably a blessing in disguise they priced it so ridiculously...not a chance I will even impulse buy it for that rip off price

@StylesT Its not that people are pretending they see differences. There are definitely differences. In both image quality or frames per second. However nowadays difference is gonna be small, not like in earlier console generations. I dont know if some of you only follow console news and tech. But its been years in PC gaming now where graphical upgrades are nothing more than small enhancements. A little more ray tracing here. A little more fps there. Why? Because of diminishing returns. We are already nearing photorealism. Again, its not gonna magically improve with the same jump as in earlier console generations, when there were much more graphical improvements to be made.

This is not a PS5 Pro thing. If you upgrade from a RTX 4070 to a RTX4090, guess what? You're gonna have to pixel peep to see the difference. If at all, maybe you go for the fps enhancement and play it at the same image quality as before.

Articles like this who ignore the "pixel peeping experts" and say there are no differences are really asking for too much in the graphical improvement department. Trust me, if your expectations are too high in that department, next gen is gonna be real dissapointing for you

I made a conscious choice to wait for the PS5 Slim. I waited and I got one this year. I knew PS5 Pro was probably coming but I felt it would be too expensive. Sure enough! And in Canada? Forget about it.

Sony hasn't proven the power of the base PS5. Xbox, also, has not proven the power of the Series X. A pro upgrade is INSANE. I guess the PS5Pro makes certain games look less blurry on pausing? Something? Sure that's kind of neat, but not for that price tag. Or any price tag.

Microsoft was smart not to do this. I think they know that, too. This has been the silliest console generation.

@MsJubilee I agree with you.

Lol sure buddy.

It's surprising how some PS fans believe that PS5 Pro is the half-way point between this generation and the next in terms of technology and that it will make a difference in games like GTA VI. They are definitely going to be disappointed. Not just from a technical perspective, this being the equivalent of PS4 Pro but twice as expensive, but also because of the rough and automated levels of optimisation in software that will be served, basically, AI resolution upscaling and little room for frame rate improvements.

@fbnaulin Sure thing! I don't mind answering. So, taking into account the Series S, Baulder's Gate 3 for sure. Halo Infinite also struggled with development because of Series S, but I bet that if it was ported to PS5 it would run smoother like Hi-Fi Rush and Pentiment did. Oh and Ghostwire Tokyo. I'm sure if I looked into it more I could also add Black Myth Wukong to the list.

That's not to say that it's necessarily the Series S's fault. I honestly believe that developers could optimize a game to run just as well as PS5. But considering how much of a mess the video game industry is I think most developers don't care to or can't spare the money and time to properly optimize the game for both Series S and X. Or maybe with like what happened to Elden Ring, since they're Japanese, it's not that high of a priority.

Personally, I love how cute the Series S looks, and if there was a model with a disc drive then I would buy it in an instant.

It's really unnecessary IMO, only some ue5 games have made current gen feel weak with how blurry and stuttery it can get feel.
Maybe you'd wanna play something like fortnite at 4k mode 120fps or something, but really just save it for next gen.

@Dr_ENT Yeah, when GTA6 comes out there's a good chance I'll pull the trigger on the Pro as I'd like to play the best version of the game available. Just a shame it's not coming straight to PC where I could have played it at on much higher settings.

This is a silly take. If I as a customer see value in getting higher graphical fidelity at 60fps and have the discretionary income to make the purchase, I would like the option of getting to purchase it the same PC gamers have the option of springing for better graphic cards.

This article feels like a salty fanboy trying to convince themselves that it's better to have a less powerful piece of kit now.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner
I know but got looking it up more etc and half of my making your mind up still does. Though a lot of it is FOMO.
But I got to the conclusion unlike say the PS4 to PS4 Pro or Xbox one to Xbox one x, this time round it seems very more like diminishing returns.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner
Gaming as a whole though is starting to ruin itself and it’s showing in the numbers.
A very small example:
Last generation 5 of us day one PS4 Pro.
This generation 1 out of 5 day one PS5 Pro, reason diminishing returns.
Star Wars outlaws, 3 of us definitely were buying day one, result zero of us did, reason overall not a great quality game.

My point, manufacturers and developers are slowly ruining things and losing sales, which in turn will hurt them and the industry and us.

They are turning into a make a fast buck industry, rather than giving good value for money and top quality.

@Coletrain
Gaming as a whole though is starting to ruin itself and it’s showing in the numbers.
A very small example:
Last generation 5 of us day one PS4 Pro.
This generation 1 out of 5 day one PS5 Pro, reason diminishing returns.
Star Wars outlaws, 3 of us definitely were buying day one, result zero of us did, reason overall not a great quality game.

My point, manufacturers and developers are slowly ruining things and losing sales, which in turn will hurt them and the industry and us.

They are turning into a make a fast buck industry, rather than giving good value for money and top quality.

@Shalooda I haven't seen a case on my ps5 or ps4 where I found the controller gimmicks to enhance the experience. Making gestures on the track pad and listening to sound from the tiny speakers are firmly in the negative experience for me.

If Sony wants to cut a few unnecessary bucks from the ps6 that will certainly be over $700 then I feel the controller is an easy place to make cuts for them.

It wouldn't have sold anyways. They can barely sell the X/S already.

@BacklogBrad why do you expect the next gen to be £700?

@Titntin cor, yeah, I remember that was crazy expensive when it came out! I always wanted a PC Engine after reading about it in (I think) The Games Machine magazine, but it was always too dear for the likes of me. I remember seeing the handheld PC Engine in a grey importer and was desperate for that too, lol.

Great times!

@GotRedOnMe73 I imported a PC engine hand held! Loved that thing. To be honest some of the shoot em ups were hard to play on it, but that thing rocked!
Thanks for giving me that nice memory this morning. I hope you have a great day 😊

Based on the evidence we've seen so far though, these features just aren't delivering huge results yet, and I'm glad that Xbox isn't asking its customers to take part in a public beta test for next-gen features. Oh, and a $700 beta test at that

I'm in total agreement with the above summation. I really, really don't look forward to a next gen from Sony or Microsoft were they can think that asking up to £1000 is acceptable, just because Sony's £700 beta testing was seen as a asuccessful endeavour....

No one needs a pro version, but some may want one and has the money to spend it. Choice is good, so I dont se a problem with the ps5 pro. Will I get one? Probably not.

Bigger problem is the series S impact on the series X. And you dont have any choices there, pick the more powerful console but still get inferior versions of some games because little brother cant keep up.

Also, very fanboyish article imo.

@BacklogBrad that's down to the devs not the controller , the triggers and rumble features enhance the experience when used properly , also the motion controls , the pad on the ps5 made it feel like a new experience when the ps5 launched , the xbox pad by comparison just feels cheap , they really need to get rid of those AA batteries.

@mac_da_man yeah I agree on the article ,it reeks of jealously to be honest.

@Elbow I don't think xbox would be allowed to spend millions on a xbox pro console when it probably wouldn't even sell , they've just spent billions in acquisitions, I'm sure that budget is well spent by now.

@OldGamer999 there's really nothing wrong with outlaws , the faults people are finding with it, are either nitpicking or just downright lies, or just not very good at stealth games, anyone can make any game look bad if they try hard enough.

Lol you're only saying that because now Sony has the best games and the world's most powerful console that can actually play games in 4k 60fps at the same time. I literally only use my xbox as a phone charger. It's a sad day for Microsoft indeed.

@OldGamer999 The other explanation is that you are all getting older mate. Most people fall out of love with gaming as they get older and have families etc.
Ive see a lot of people confuse their growing tired with games as 'gaming is getting worse' instead of simply recognising it no longer has the draw it had when they were younger.
Im weird I know... Alone amoung my friends I remain as committed a gamer as I ever have been, and my wife also wastes 100s of hours gaming.
From my perspective, gaming has never been better, more diverse or fun across all platforms. Game ideas are no longer controlled simply by what the big publishers will allow and niche ideas that would never have been funded in the past now have several publishing models which mean those ideas can get out there.
Ive played every games machine since the Atari 2600 released when I was 13. Ive never had a bigger backlog of games I want to enjoy than I have right now (so many others say the same) and I believe its a golden time for gamers.
If you are not finding games to enjoy and love then you are simply moving on from a former love and wont admit it yet, as are many people in their mid 30s who used to have fun game nights with friends in their early 20s. Life moves on for some.

@Titntin
I still game a fair bit, been on this morning for about two hours and enjoying.
It’s the industry sometimes that gets me.
I think I have been spoilt over the years, I started with pong, Atari 2600, Neo Geo the list goes on and on.
I just think the industry now has lost lots of it’s quality, taking Avatar and SW Outlaws, what’s the point in releasing a game that is just above average, bugs and not really complete and fit for gamers.
I work in the aerospace industry and quality is top priority.
The game industry quality over all was far better during the PS4 era.
Yes all the 3 main manufacturers push an amazing quality game out now and again.
But generally quality seems to getting pushed back and games released to early.

@Titntin
Basically I want every main big main game released to be gaming perfect 9/10 in every aspect or higher.
Amazing to play, look at, no bugs and run the best it can.
Not the reverse and waiting months for patches until it sort of gets better in many areas.

What’s the point of producing something that isn’t 9/10 and almost perfect in every aspect.

Totally agree with you @kezelpaso
The Series X is already powerful enough and tbh, I want great games more than great power.
I’m hoping the next Xbox is hybrid with a handheld.

That would have me very happy although I use the Logitech G Cloud all the time as my Xbox handheld and that’s a device that doesn’t get enough love. It’s one of best bit of kit for my gaming I’ve bought in recent years.

Ironically, considering that Xbox have been launching almost all of their first party games at locked 30fps for the past two years, I’d say they had more of a reason than Sony did to launch more powerful hardware!

Hope to see better things from XSX going forwards, it’s not fun having FOMO. More 60fps modes please Microsoft.

Honestly, I feel like people who can’t see a difference between regular PS5 games and PS5 Pro games need to get their eyes checked, cause the difference seems massive to me. That said, I do not currently plan to get a PS5 Pro, and I agree with the premise of this article, that it’s good that Xbox didn’t make an equivalent console. I don’t want to get a PS5 Pro, even though I do think it makes games look a lot better, partially because I’m not in any way dissatisfied with the base PS5, and partially because the jump from base PS5 to PS6 should be considerably larger than the jump from PS5 Pro to PS6.

@OldGamer999 You have rose tinted glasses on mate, some trully appalling games have been released in all gens.
Many of my favourite games are rated 6 or 7 by many sites. I dont rely on a generic mark to tell me what Im going to enjoy, I have my own needs wants and desires which rarely align with other peoples. A good score just means I might look and make my own mind up.

The one and only area I could agree with you is this desire to ship a product first and fix it later. Online consoles have meant this practise, which started on PC, is now prevelent across the industry. It simply means I rarely buy games on release unless I know they are not buggy. I trust Sony 1st party, they are pretty good on thiere own hardware, so I bought Astrobot on release and have not been dissapointed. Most other titles I'll wait till they are half price as they are normally much better. Thats easy to do when I have such a backlog. But even Sony get it wrong, Days Gone springs to mind, and some of their PC releases have not been steller..

Anyway, Im never gonna agree with you that the industry sucks these days, cause to me it clearly doesn't. But thats ok, we are allowed our own opinions!
You have a great day. 😊

@TheGornLord I see you only joined today, I think you have the wrong site this is for Xbox users.

@Titntin
It’s good to have different opinions, it’s sometimes the spice of life.
I to have Astro Bots and it’s great game and how all games should be released.
Have a fab day 😊

@TheGornLord
If you think the PS5 Pro is playing games at NATIVE 4K 60fps then you are sadly mistaken.
The PS5 Pro is an upscaling machine and adds PSSR much like DLSS and takes say a native 1440p and upscales it to 4K. Which goes on all the time in the industry.
That doesn’t make it bad, but it’s not the answer you are looking for if you think it’s native true 4K at 60fps.

I definitely have mixed feelings about this.
I owned a PS4 Pro last gen, and didn't regret the purchase at all. I moved to Series X purely because of Flight Simulator (being an PC simmer back in the day) and again, don't regret it.

I do though, wonder how Xbox's perception in the gaming space may be further affected when, inevitably, Xbox studios games release on PS5 Pro running and looking better than on their "home" system.

Also, with Flight Simulator 2024 coming shortly, I can't help but think what could be with a hypothetical Xbox Series X 'X'.

@OldGamer999 the option is still there though to have native 4k it's upto the devs what they do with the tech ,it isn't locked to just upscale an image, there arent many games that offer a true native 4k image probably count them on one hand, its all dynamic scaling, regardless the pro will offer the best image quality no matter how it's achieved ,and better and more stable fps out of all the platforms.

Is there any demand for a pro Xbox? They aren't exactly selling like hot cakes are they?

@Decoy_Snake there’s always a demand to play wherever the games play the best. Microsoft games will now look better on PlayStation. What exactly is the reason to own. Xbox. Game pass. I can’t understand people’s excitement about spending hundreds of dollars to buy a box to buy a subscription service. If Netflix forced people to buy a box to subscribe to a service they would be out of business. What does that say about this plan of attack at Microsoft.

First 22 years of my gaming life this would have been a hard no, couldn’t afford it or the premium TV needed to take advantage of the improvements.

Today it was a day one buy and I’ll give my buddy’s kid my old PS5. In the past few months I’ve moved my third party game buys from Xbox to PS, after almost a decade of buying them in Xbox.

I do wonder if this will be profitable enough for Sony, is there enough demand and will there be enough like me making this change.

If it really offered something I couldn't get elsewhere, I'd maybe consider spending the money - but I have a PS5 that will offer the exact same Library and it seems, the same 'Performance' options as the PS5 Pro.

The Pro may well have the ability to make the Image look much closer to 4k with RT effects at the higher frame rates, look 'closer' to the Quality modes on PS5 so less of a drop in image quality and may even have a better lock to 60fps in some games but its still the same Library and as most of the games I own that will get PS5 Pro enhancements are on Disc, the PS5 Pro itself is useless to me without a disk drive.

I can't justify paying that much for something may get 2-3yrs of intermittent use - especially as I don't want to rebuy (let alone replay) LoU, Horizon, GoW, R&C etc to get PS5 Pro enhancements. In recent years too, Sony haven't had many releases I'm interested in and doesn't appear to have much of interest in the coming year either - Only Wolverine and the new Ghost game have any appeal and I'm not paying that much to play a few games.

I'd rather invest in a PC as Sony's games will release there too at some point inn the near future. All of Xbox games are on PC and of course you have a much larger Library with BC, cheaper games and no Subscription charge to play Online saving another £75-80 a year

£700 for PS5 Pro and £80 a year to play online. Let alone the Disk Drive and more expensive games in general, It's cheaper to upgrade my PC than upgrade to PS5 Pro and game for the next 2-3yrs before PS6 is out anyway...

@Shalooda
Yes it probably will and should do as mid generation upgrade and at £700.

Let's STOP with the mid gen upgrades all together. Put ALL the resources towards the next gen to make it the BEST possible.

PlayStation fanboys are KICKING themselves right now wishing they'd bought an Xbox instead! Microsoft understands gamers. Sony hasn't got a clue! ROFL at PS5!!!!!! XD XD XD

@Krazee5255 you win the fanboy award of the month 😂

Ps - its not a good thing!

You are glad Xbox didn't give the choice, presumably you are also glad they don't give the choice of an 60fps mode on their first-party titles at launch

@Krazee5255 there’s so much wrong with this. I don’t even know where to begin.

@mac_da_man only of the month? Jeez I hate to see what else you have read recently!

@PsBoxSwitchOwner

Ok that ***** escalated quickly 😂 Nice to have an ignore button 😅

Yea I'm definitely done replying to people who defend big companies all because they like the...brand name? It makes zero sense. I supported Sony PS5 at first but guess what...they're the worst out of Xbox and Nintendo. They're 3rd in everything that is good with gaming. Actually they're 4th because pc offers the most. I have to many bills for a PC right now but PC players are probably eating the best with gp ultimate...steam..epic...u name it they have players choice. Sony players have the least player choice. Nintendo atleast has done the same thing since their inception pretty much and their games are better than sonys so yea...sonys absolutely in last place in what matters most this gen--games. I'm not gonna do it right now but xboxs first party list this gen AND the future roadmap absolutely trumps sonys by MILES.

Like I said. I dropped the facts. I have no need to reply to fanboys who defend all because of the brand name and when they do defend they straight up lie . " Xbox has no games, although they have far more first party games and their third party games arent timed exclusives like on my PlayStation ".

I hope u Sony only boys truly understand how inferior as gamers u are to the rest of us. It's a shame actually. Such an inferior ps5 with an inferior fanbase.

Nintendo/PC/Xbox are all superior compared to you Sony guys. If anyone says different it'll be obvious your an undercover Sony fan. U guys get the very least of everything. Like I said I have a PS5 so u can't lie to me and say PS5 is all good when it absolutely is not. Smh.

Don't waste your text. I won't reply again like I said.

I think the games where we will see big games are the ones that run at godawful lower native resolutions. where you'll get a X1/1S to X1X case, so FF7 and the Ubisoft pirate game, maybe even in frame-gen games if PSSR can couple with FSR frame-gen to get better results. Thing is that there are very few games this gen that are like that, no doubt in part because we're still getting cross-gen games to this day, but also because the main consoles are just very solid all around, RT not withstanding.

The PS5 Pro has already an expiration date as Sony is already heavily strategizing about the PS6 release in 2 years.

I don’t mind more options. I’m not picking up a PS5 Pro , personally. The problem with this is that for the next two years, Xbox games are going to run best on a PlayStation. It’s just a bad look.

@Major_Player everything has an expiration date. The older I get my expiration date is closing in. With the time left I would prefer to have incremental upgrades than to have to wait for console cycles.

@OldGamer999 well I don't understand your objections then, I've preordered one I was in two minds whether to actually buy it , but what the hell , its my main hobby I love gaming and I've always wanted the best experience and the pro will offer me that ,so why not, gta6 is gonna look great and im a big indy fan and it will run best on pro, and besides my ps5 disc drive is on its way out.

@sixrings : Well just because you are older with a shorter life expectancy it doesn't mean you are dying tomorrow...as much as Sony would like you think that as part of their sales pitch.

But if you really think you need a PS5 Pro before you die, then those $700.00 bucks could be better spent on your psychosis medication.

It's an absolutely pointless, overpriced waste of everyone's time and money. The 'improvements' being made are so negligible that I'm genuinely surprised that Sony have bothered. But this gen, they have proven that they're quite happy to fleece their loyal fans at every opportunity and pump out expensive, unnecessary hardware.

@Shalooda I prefer the xbox model where you don't need to take apart the controller to replace the battery that will inevitably go bad. Sony should really go to a more accessible battery. There is really no need to make it so inaccessible but they are banking on the vast majority forking over another $75 on a new controller because the $5 battery only lasts 45 minutes.

I prefer rechargeable AAs and always have like 6-8 spares fully charged waiting. Never have to worry about remembering to plug it in or playing while tethered to the short charging cable.

@GotRedOnMe73 same here

@__jamiie shrug I mean that same argument could be made to PC gamers for upgrading their GPU because they want a game to run at 60fps in higher quality. Sure they could be happy turning down the settings or just playing 30fps but no one gets angry if a PC gamer goes out to buy a new graphics card. I don't understand why this is so personal to so many. If you don't want it, don't buy it. If you do - great! I'm happy that the market can support multiple tiers and options for gamers.

@BacklogBrad 😂😂 if you're not thick it's easy to replace the battery in the ps pad after about 20 years if needed ,however ive never ever had a battery give out in a ps pad, it's like an urban legend 😂😂 AA batteries, it's not the 90s anymore, literally nothing uses batteries anymore apart from kids toys or tv remotes, don't see anyone complaining about mobile phones, or laptops or any other hi tech piece of equipment it's always the xbox pad and it's archaic power supply.

@__jamiie you don't have to buy it, they're not holding anyone by gunpoint, it's an option for people who can afford one, who want the best console experience,you want the latest games to run at the best they can and look the best they can, get a pro, I'll be playing gta6 and cod with my ps5 pro brethren and it will be the best version.

@Major_Player ugh how rude, you don't know his circumstances

@aj102404 it will sell out over Christmas, and fly of the shelves when gta6 release date gets announced you know Sony will have a massive advertising campaign with that , gta6 ps pro the only way to play etc etc the same with cod , ironic as its an xbox first party game now

@Major_Player I’m not buying the Sony because I detest its controller. That may sound dumb but it’s my personal reason.

I got into an accident last year where I crashed into a semi and into the concrete highway barrier at 120km. Walked away from a written off car like John wick without a scratch. But more than ever recognize death is always closer than we think.

@Secryt The PC and console markets are very different and you know it. Stop trying to compare apples and oranges to stand up for Sony's shilling.

Forget the PC comparison because it's irrelevant. The 'upgrade' Sony are offering is not even slightly worth the money they are asking over the base PS5.

But I'm happy for you to explain why it is worth buying a PS5 Pro. Without mentioning PCs.

And I also stand by my point of Sony milking customers dry. A poor slate of first party games, remaster after remaster that nobody wanted and expensive hardware across the board.

@Shalooda You and your 'brethren' are welcome to your overpriced, underpowered Emperor's New Clothes. I'll happily stick with my base PS5 (which hasn't even been pushed yet) and wait for PS6.

@Shalooda there's no reason they can't make it a simple battery cover to access the battery. You shouldnt have to take buttons or plates off to change it. The same company that says plugging in pc components and turning a few screws is way too hard for an average adult makes their batteries a challenge so 99% of their users just buy another pad.

It's definitely an issue. Every wireless controller gen has given me issues with battery life well before the gen ends. Give me AAs all day where I can pitch them when they start to fade or buy a simple play and charge from countless manufacturers.

@__jamiie "Stand up for Sony's shilling." Lol ok buddy. Perhaps I'm standing up for choice and an expanded market offering. If people don't want the Pro they just get the regular. There's literally no one putting a gun to your head making you get it. Gaming is a luxury not an entitlement. If you think there's another option that is a better fit for you have at it. I'm happy that there are options that you can pick from. If you think Sony is milking customers, the great news is you don't have to give your money to Sony.

Let's not berate and disparage people who see value and purpose in the offering from Sony. More options are better for everyone.

@Secryt You've basically repeated your previous comment without explaining to me why it's worth buying a PS5 Pro.

@__jamiie it offer gamers a choice to game at higher fidelity at higher frame rates over base or at least offer more options. It’s a very simple proposition.

But equally obvious to me is no answer will appease as you as you clearly know better about what other people should care about and spend their money on.

@Secryt You keep talking about more options and choice being better. By that rationale, a PS5 Lite would be a great thing to bring to market. Less power, worse build quality but far cheaper. That's another option right? Better for everyone!

Or a PS5 Green. One that is 90% biodegradable but costs £1500. That's another option that gives planet caring people more choice so it must be a good idea.

Or racist cover plates that cost £299. That's another option so it must be a good idea. More choice for racist people right?

Sony are behaving in exactly the same way they did when the PS3 launched. They felt untouchable so thought they could print the word PlayStation on anything, charge whatever they want and everyone should lap it up and be grateful.

Tiny mid-gen upgrades that are overpriced shouldn't be applauded.

I would be really satisfied if all game consoles run at 2K /60 fps. Since it is so hard for developers to achieve 60 fps, give us that performance mode for EVERY single game to run at 1080p. Why was Starfield and Red Fall running at 30 fps at launch. Dragons Dogma 2 didn't performed as expected either. The Elders Scrolls Online plays at 60 fps and the graphics are fine. I know you all want this 4K realistic graphics as we all deserve it in this day and age but there is always a price to pay with this 30 fps bs. I want GTA 6 to run at 2K 60 fps if not 1080p; not this Year 2000 30 fps Rockstar indicated. Ps. All those old PS4 /Xbox One games that were boosted to 60 fps were great and made them more enjoyable. F 4K as that is only possible on higher end PCs costing thousands of dollars. This PS5 Pro better boost every game to 60 fps at minimum with ray tracing off or it's useless to own one.

@Utena-mobile I got what you say. It’s true there has been problems with the low memory of Series S, BG3 and Wukong cases for example.

But, Series X has been on par with PlayStation 5 in performance in the vast majority of titles. Pentiment 120fps was just an update that arrived on Series X, later.

New games like Remnant II, Alan Wake 2, Star Wars Outlaws, or Space Marine 2 ran equally as good or bad on both PS5 and XSX, same resolution, technically same framerate.

So, I can’t see how “Series X can match the Playstation easily, but it's held back by the S”, if the match is already there.

@fbnaulin Series X is more capable technically than PS5, but third-party games, even some Xbox games, seem to prioritise PS5, like last generation PS4 was the common denominator. I understand that if you're making a Pentiment port, you do your best and then update the original Xbox version accordingly, but the click bait sells conspiracy theories, lack of power or neglect. Microsoft is the villain in spite of being the most consumer-friendly.

In spite of that, some games still perform better on Series X because of the extra power and no throttle. Regarding Series S, I don't think it holds Series X back because all current-gen games are PC games and PC games are Windows games, but the reduced memory and GPU is a potential issue if developers are not willing to optimise resources and scale down the graphics proportionally. The development kit is the same and it's not like it's a Switch. Unlike PS, Xbox is a Windows "PC".

Games won't be optimised for the GPU-upgraded PS5 Pro properly. Its market share will be much lower than PS4 Pro. Next generation, games will likely be optimised for PC, that now includes handhelds and I don't mean third parties only but everyone but Nintendo. The future of video games is no longer a single platform, not even the PS because even though Sony ships a lot of hardware every quarter (reported as sold consoles), games are no longer selling enough copies on PS(5) and the only metrics that really matter are software/DLC and subscriptions.

@__jamiie and then I'll just buy a ps6 as well 😁 in the meantime I'll be playing all those sweet ps exclusives next year the best way , the pro way 😁

@BacklogBrad seems your just unlucky then , UnluckyBrad I guess.

@sixrings Exactly, so the excuse of "I'm buying a PS5 Pro because I might not see another day" it's irrelevant because you could as well live pass the age of 85.

@Shalooda He is playing the "age card" in which he does not know if he could live another 30 seconds or another 30 years like everybody else.

@Shalooda luck doesn't really have anything to do with it. A battery only has so many charge cycles in it. They will naturally deteriorate as it is used and recharged. The longest charge will always be the first one. It's one of the reasons that I will only ever use xbox controllers for PC, mobile,etc. I don't want to wear out the sony controllers any faster than I already do where replacing the battery is a chore comparitively.

@__jamiie Why it is of value? Because those specs can be bought nowhere for that price.

And your argument for 'more choice is bad' because of racist cover plates is stupid and you know it

@Shalooda "All those sweet PS exclusives" 🤣🤣🤣

@__jamiie I applaud it. It would suck if the next 4 years we would only have the base PS5. That would mean either no graphical improvement in games or worse and worse performance and image quality in the upcoming 4 years. Imagine 2028. And we're still playing on consoles with the equivalent of a RTX2070. PC graphics would be wayyyyyy ahead.

Atleast consoles are now able to play games on reasonably high settings and high fps with advanced technologies like machine learning, that'll atleast keep it up a little with PC and graphical improvements these upcoming years

@LogicStrikesAgain I wasn't arguing FOR more choice or options. I was pointing out that more choice and options for the sake of it is completely unnecessary. Which was obvious. So you're either playing dumb or just didn't get it.

The PS5 Pro is not good value for money. Stop trying to say that you couldn't build a PC for that money because you're comparing an individual producing a piece of hardware to a multi billion dollar company producing a piece of hardware.

Sony could easily make something far better for the price they're charging. They haven't. They've churned out a laughable "upgrade".

But im just an individual, how can i be a multi billion dollar company? If i wanted to have a machine with those specs. The cheapest way for me would be to buy a Pro.

Also i dont get what i said wrong, you were arguing that 'more choice is bad' right? The other poster said, more choice is good. And u were arguing against it if im not mistaken. Im just saying the racist cover plates example is stupid

Edit: I can see that the way i phrased it could be misinterpreted

@LogicStrikesAgain Developers should be pushing hardware not hardware manufacturers pushing consumers to buy more hardware.

@__jamiie The Pro was partly developed with input from lots of developers

Imagine the gulf between Series S and a hypothetical Series Pro model.

@LogicStrikesAgain Exactly my point. They want the easy route. No PS5 owner asked for it. Developers get lazy and rather than trying to push hardware, they ask for more hardware.

The most impressive PS3 games came at the end of that console's lifecycle. Because developers worked hard.

@Major_Player well I would be 130 then. So that doesn’t make sense. Also at 45 I wonder how much longer I’m actually going to be able to game for. Another 20 years.

Some really hot takes in here. Reverse the situation and brands and then see if you still feel the same.

I see people making the opposite points to they were when this gen launched just coz it’s suits their console preference now.

I felt the same then as I do now no matter which company is doing what.

Stay true to yourself not the brand

@__jamiie what you think there's not gonna be anymore, and they're destroy everything else on the market 😂😂😂 your deluded kiddo

@__jamiie Im wondering what you mean by pushing it more? Do you think developers these last 4 years have been leaving some untapped power on the table with their games?

Dude this is pretty much what you're gonna get. Lots of games already being pushed by these new engines. These are next gen engines. And a RTX2070 equivalent isnt gonna cut it. I dont know what ure waiting for, but ure gonna wait a long time for it.

Also, creating games now and in the PS3 era is uncomparable. Different hardware, different engines. They dont have to figure out 'Cell architecture' for instance.

And calling developers lazy, is so ungrounded. Like, where are you getting that from? You know how hard it is to make games? Its one of the hardest forms of media to create. It takes many different and high level technical expertises working together for many years. Even making films pales in comparison. Most work under high pressure because of deadlines and budgets.

@Shalooda What amazing exclusive games are you waiting for next year?

Also, try learning to spell.

@LogicStrikesAgain Yes I do think that developers have become lazy and haven't even slightly pushed the PS5. And Sony's bad CPU is still the main problem with the PS5 Pro.

@__jamiie Not even slightly huh? Well thats a reasonable take.

And what more do you think they can get out of these systems then? Native 4k60 maybe? Im wondering why they leave all this untapped potential on the table, damn lazy developers

@sixrings You are just 45 and you are already thinking you are on your deathbed?

With that mentality you should start maxing out all your credit cards, by a sports car, a big house you can't afford and have an unpayable bank loan....as according to you are not going to life that much longer....right?... so don't worry about those bills.

@LogicStrikesAgain

Totally agree. PS1 era has to go down as one of the ugliest eras in all of gaming (not even the charm of clever pixel design which just about boosted the 8bit era into some sort of aesthetic pleasantry). We were so excited about the move to 3d, but boy did the PS1 push out some horrific looking polygons. PS2 was way better a look, although still quickly usurped by its later arriving competitors).

@BrandNewOldSchool I dont agree. You have to put it in perspective. Back then people we're amazed to see 3d graphics. No one had ever seen anything quite like it before. Ofcourse looking back now it doesnt look good. But then, games like Metal Gear, Tekken 3, Parasite Eve, Silent Hill, Gran Turismo had some of the most amazing graphics people had seen. But the jump to PS2 was immense, because graphics still had so much they could improve upon

@LogicStrikesAgain

Well I was there, too, in my 20's no less, and it was the ugliest era I've been through. Yes a few games looked great, impressive even, but the majority were hard to look-at low-poly, poor texture. I actually was mad because I had a 3DO which I'd sold to finance the PS1 and regretted it almost immediately when my favourite game of the time, Space hulk, looked several orders of magnitude worse on the PS1. I'm not knocking or seeking to minimise the success of the PS1, and there were a few games I played the hell out of (GTA), I just remember thinking the graphics looked like turds then (we were just starting to see some absolutely stunning looking VGA style pixel graphics, which then all took a back-seat when the PS1 hit. Also, the move to 3d was crucial, and an incredibly important milestone in the industry which puts it above all other consoles of the time. But man, we had to go ugly to get through it.

@Major_Player whatever debt I leave my kids will have to pay. That’s how it works. So your example doesn’t exactly make sense.

@sixrings You are the one talking about spending $700.00 on just an upgrade, so don't talk to me about debt.

@BrandNewOldSchool Well to each its own i guess. Ofcourse the games were a lot different, lets say from the Super nintendo to the PS1. In that 3d graphics were hardly possible on the super nintendo. I would say Metal Gear looked far superiour to like a Donkey Kong. But i also realize that that would be an unfair comparison cause they go for far different aesthetics. I cant think of many nintendo games, cause i wasnt really a big nintendo player back then. But im betting Gran Turismo looked far superior than any 3d racing game the Super Nintendo had, or whichever consoles came before the PS1

I will agree though, that a lot didnt look as good as some of the most impressive games

@LogicStrikesAgain Ok, perhaps I'm overstating some aspects of the ugliness (as I mentioned, I was pretty sore at my purchase initially), and absolutely, Gran Turismo was astounding upon launch (though not a game I ever really wanted to play due to not really being a racer type gamer). Donkey Kong was super-ugly (no pun intended), with its weird pixellated clay-mation aesthetic. But Super Nintendo was a must have in our house as it was the first console to land the mighty Street fighter 2 (actually think it was a launch title). They were so desirable mine was actually the sole theft in a - clearly targeted - burglary of our house.

@BrandNewOldSchool Still chuckled at the pun lol. Yeah i remember how big the Super Nintendo was, i played it at friends house all the time. And Street Fighter 2, man those were the days