Xbox Will Bring 'A Lot More' Exclusives To PS5 And Switch 2 In 2025

Sounds like they no longer understand the concept of "exclusive"

One positive of Microsofts ambitions to release their games on other platforms will be making next gen cheaper for me only having to buy one console to have all the games I want to play.

and 2025 will include a lot more titles appearing on both PS5 and Nintendo’s Switch 2

Yes, that's what no red lines actually mean in Microsoft's approach to games releases on as many platforms as possible 😉.

@oopsiezz exactly got rid of my 2nd Xbox series X last year I got bored 😂 waiting for the next gears game knowing I can now play uncharted,the last of us,Spider-Man and gears all on one console is just amazing imo.

No issue with ports to other consoles but still not sure I completely understand why they wouldn’t want to add in a period of exclusivity for all releases - say 12 months. Yes, PS5/Switch owners would know the games are coming, but would also be aware that their Xbox owning mates were able to play them ‘Free’ and First (on Gamepass).

This is the same news told ina slightly different way yet again!
Really it's for push square and Nintendo life to report this I just want to hear about games coming to Xbox!!

I'll say what I've said a thousand times. I've no issue with this and I think this is just the direction the industry is heading in. I'm all for it. It's positive for the games, it's positive for the studios, and it makes zero difference to how we enjoy them.

I love my Series X as the best console for playing older retro games. Since Xbox is on its way out, I hope they move our entire libraries to PC so we can still play them alongside Steam. It sounds like they intend to do just that.

In other breaking news water makes things wet.

I’ve already written off XSX in my head as a console without exclusives. Just have to enjoy it for the features that it does still offer.

@Residentsteven You must be taking about the Rog Ally, I can play all those games you listed and more already.

PS6 time then next gen, more console-proper games for my buck

@Rog-X nice 👍🏻.

@oopsiezz

my thoughts exactly, ps6 here we go

@Feffster free 🤦🏻‍♂️ again gp isn’t free, this is how your games are going to other platforms ps5/switch 2 because Xbox basically said don’t buy games anymore. They are not making enough money off Xbox’s current user base gp is not growing anymore.

This is my last generation with Xbox and the gamepass subscription. PC is far too compelling now since Sony and Xbox release most of their games on Steam anyway.

@Kaloudz

if 30-100 million xbox owners get ps6 only next gen and MS loses 30% per game of theirs sold, that's an issue for them

I'm perfectly happy with what Microsoft are doing, I got Forza Horizon 5 years ago included in Gamepass Day One of release, if other console owners also get to buy it eventually meaning they will be funding development of Forza Horizon 6 to Gamepass that's 100% fine by me.
I get Ultimate Gamepass for less than £100 a year from 3rd party, just the new Doom and Atomfall Day One releases to Gamepass more than covers that cost alone.

@Residentsteven - I’m fully aware it isn’t completely free - hence the use of inverted commas above. My point is not about debating the pros and cons of Gamepass (which, incidentally, is excellent value) - I’m simply adding a bit of conjecture to say that if I was Microsoft then I’d be building in a bit more timed exclusivity to differentiate between the options available to gamers across the various platforms.

Anyway, as others have rightly pointed out, this is hardly ‘news’ to any of us and it affects me very little as I own XSX and PS5Pro.

@TheGiraffe That's something every third party publisher deals with. I don't think it's as bigger of an issue as many believe it to be. Especially when you add the user base of Nintendo / PS5 / PC together. There's a lot to be made. It's a strategy that's clearly working for MS and if it gives them more cash to reinvest into the Xbox ecosystem - I say faster pussycat.

@Residentsteven I haven't physically paid for Game Pass in years, and if you take into account the cost of Live after one or two games the rest are. The reason is due to console sales as those who have a PC will just need a PS5.

Here's me in the middle saving a fortune by having both consoles and subscriptions, play a game and move on. Yes there maybe games you need to buy along the way or want to keep, but the way things are going with digital it's not worth buying especially at full price.

@Rog-X - absolutely agree and well said. I’m almost embarrassed that I haven’t had to pay for Gamepass Ultimate since November and I’m not due to pay anything until June at the earliest (Reward Points) - ok they’ve nerfed it a bit going forward, but at worst it’ll make Gamepass half-price….£90 a year for access to 400+ games including all first party on release is nuts.

@themightyant

Not all PS owners will buy MS games

But they lose 30% of EVERY game sale if people switch to PS6

It's probably about even + - on the spreadsheet

@TheGiraffe Really why are you bothered by Microsofts finances I'm sure they have a plan whatever it is weather they fail or win gaming will live on before gamers used to talk about games not finances!

@Ricky-Spanish

I'm like Destin, I like the business side, it's interesting to me, and it involves artists lives.

I also follow The Town for the Hollywood side of things.

It's interesting

@Feffster I suppose, I was thinking about upgrading my ps5 to a pro do you have the disc drive attached on yours 🤔.

@JayJ Schrodinger's exclusive.

The article mentions Doom and THPS as "exclusives" being brought to PS5, but, and sorry to be a pedant, they never were exclusives. Yes MS own the dev/publisher behind them, but neither of these games were planned solely for Xbox. Both games are and always were being released simultaneously across all platforms.

@themightyant

I respectfully disagree since -30% of every game becomes a lot quickly

Steams entire business revolves around this 30% only, and they're huge

I'd be interested to see the spreadsheets

@TheGiraffe Fair enough so I can't argue with that whatever floats your boat!
Walk with Christ brother ✌️

@Ricky-Spanish

"Walk with Christ brother"

Amen!

lol

@Dalamar73 It's nice to be nice ha!🤗✌️

It would be absolutely hilarious if on April 2nd the Switch got a new Mario game announced as well as getting games from Xbox such as Indy + a game from Sony such as Spider-Man

@TheGiraffe They still take the lions share of the sale though. If it wasn't worth the effort they wouldn't pursue the course. I personally think that MS games are worth it, and PS players must too, given that they chart quite well when they're released. Sea of Thieves did pretty well if I recall. Call of Duty too, obviously.

I think when we factor in the successes found on PC sales, throwing bones to Switch and PS is a given. It's honestly great for the developers and great for the games - and it may offset studio closures that may or may not otherwise happen having stayed exclusive. It's damn costly running studios. Very damn costly.

Look at all the layoffs and shut downs this last few years. Hell, even recently. Crytek being a recent one (as well as Sony laying off a few too a number of weeks back - didn't they?).

I know you are still seeking Utopia, @Kaloudz, but I really think you are underestimating the impact that Microsoft's every game everywhere policy will have on Game Pass. Arguably, the Service is already suffering to some extent, when compared to past years, albeit, there are a few decent third-party games in the first half of this year, which is something we see each year, on the Service. There will, undoubtedly, be a tipping point though wherein the revenue received from subscriptions is insufficient to pay for any content other, perhaps, than first-party. So, when you say 'it makes zero difference to how we enjoy them', you couldn't be further from the truth.

Also, yes, I agree that the future for gaming is likely console agnostic, but I do not see that happening for the PlayStation until we have seen at least the PS8, if not beyond that. Sony is enjoying too much success without even trying to give up on making consoles, no matter how much Xbox gamers like to kid themselves otherwise...

@Dalamar73 Perhaps not, but the point still stands. There's no saying that any of MS' games won't sell well elsewhere. 70% of an X amount of copies sold across three additional platforms is revenue (and a lot of it) whereas to the contrary, 100% of zero is still zero.

I don't doubt the revenue from PlayStation sales will be substantial, @themightyant, and it will undoubtedly lead to more games being made. What it will impact though, in my opinion, if Game Pass, because Microsoft will see it as an unnecessary expense if people are no longer buying Xbox consoles. Game Pass only saw a 2% increase in revenue directly after CoD last year, and that is despite having increased the price of subscriptions. With over 50% of subscribers based on the Xbox console, and with some estimates putting that as high as 80%, then if Microsoft do indeed sell 30% fewer consoles, then that will be a massive hit to Game Pass subscriber numbers, to the revenue it brings in, and therefore to the funds they have to afford third-party content. Thus, losing 30% of console sales could be catastrophic for Game Pass itself...

@Fiendish-Beaver Possibly, but if they offset the tipping point through multiplatform sales, they can absolutely sustain their model. I think a lot will rest on how their next gen fares and how attractive it is. But their Game Pass subscription is worth it's weight in gold, even if they removed first party games at some point (or some of their first party games - such as ABK or / and Bethesda) I still think it's worth the cost.

I don't see that happening because I think they want to grow the GP base over the console base, but leaning to your viewpoint - I'd still be happy with the service either way.

Sony ain't shy of the market's nature either though. It was only this time last year they axed 900 jobs, and a few weeks ago axed more (if I recall correctly).

Either which way either or, I just don't see this as the swan song. I think Xbox will surprise a lot of people in the coming gen.

@Fiendish-Beaver

How times have changed. We've gone from years of discussing Xbox as a powerful competitor to PlayStation to how Microsoft can keep the Xbox brand's head above water through getting Xbox games on Sony's console, (as well as Nintendo's).

I can appreciate the Xbox fanbase wanting to make this as positive a scenario as possible, but you can bet it's not what they wanted to see happen to Xbox.

No, @Kaloudz. Think about what you have just said. You have just suggested that Microsoft will invest the money they make from sales into a loss making subscription service. Why on Earth would they do that? If Game Pass is not enticing people to buy and Xbox, and is not raising sufficient money to bring in new third-party content, then what is the point in putting money from game sales into it? Far better to put that money into making more games that will in turn raise more revenue, yes...?

Personally, I think there is a tipping point, @themightyant, and that we are already close to it.

As for Sony not doing a stellar job of saying how much better they are, I entirely agree, they are not. However, even without doing a better job, they are selling way more consoles than the Xbox, and I think it fair to say that after a change in leadership, and a change of direction, that the PS6 will be massive by comparison, with many single-player first-party, and third-party, exclusives. Sony have burned their fingers this generation in investing too much of their revenue into Live Service games, and will not make that mistake again...

@Fiendish-Beaver That's assuming Game Pass operates at a loss, which I don't believe it does. I think the whole "This is and Xbox" "Xbox Anywhere" marketing push, and the big push to "Xbox Play Anywhere" is very telling (and very exciting) as to where things are heading. I wouldn't be so fast to write them off.

A 2% increase in revenue last year, after the release of CoD and after the increase in subscription fees would probably say something about that, @Kaloudz. Play anywhere has to really take off for the revenue to come in, and because it is so intrinsically linked to an individuals own internet I just don't see that happening in the near future. If, as I suspect, the Service is already operating close to the margins of profitability (which is why we are seeing fewer third-party titles on the Service), then a big hit to subscriber numbers next generation will most definitely put it into the realms of unprofitability...

Seems little point in getting the next Xbox console now they have basically forgotten the consumers that have backed them since the og Xbox all those years ago. As long as the next PlayStation console is at least on a par with Xbox then that’s the one I’ll be buying given the fact that I’ll have the best of both worlds then, kinda feel betrayed for sticking with them all this time. ‘Only on xbox’ no longer it seems

@Fiendish-Beaver But we're still seeing enough imo. More than enough. The value of Game Pass is still there, and there's absolutely no denying (in my opinion) the return is well worth the investment.

I think MS know what's at play. I think they've got a lot up their sleeves that we haven't even heard of yet. We know they have handheld (two of them) we know they're working on an updated controller, and we know they're working on next gen hardware - that's said to be feature competitive and a huge jump in capability.

Throw in their play anywhere pushes lately, their multiplay releases, and their campaigns for "this is an Xbox" and it's hard not to see where they're heading. I just don't see any of these things as a bad thing, and I personally think we have very exciting things on the horizon.

I agree with you to some extent, @themightyant, but people such as myself, who usually buy both consoles, may consider that the Xbox is not worth having any more, particularly if it comes in with a premium price tag, which is what is suspected because a PC-lite will not be cheap.

It also needs to be remembered that considerably more Series S's were sold compared to the X, with the S usually being the secondary console, bought to play those exclusives or for Game Pass. If those games are no longer exclusive, or if GP offers less value due to having less enticing third-party games, then the need, or desire, to buy into the Xbox ecosystem will be greatly lessened.

Also, it does need to be remembered that it is entirely possible to not upgrade your Xbox console, buy a PS6 to play everything available on a console, and to keep your Series console so that you have access to those games that you have bought, or to play the occasional GP game. Each of these things (buying a PS6 instead of the Prime, not upgrading your Series to the Prime, or simply going PC) directly impacts GP subscriber numbers. I honestly think that people overestimate Microsoft when it comes to GP. I truly cannot see Microsoft sustaining loses on GP, particularly so if other parts of their business, such as game sales, is thriving. I mean, what is the point in putting money into part of the business that is not seeing a return, when that money could be invested far more wisely...

Two things I take from your last comment, @Kaloudz;

1. If Game Pass is losing money (in the event of truly miserable Prime sales) then I cannot see Microsoft continuing with it, particularly when you see their push into the realms of 'Play Anywhere'. After all, you don't need GP in order to have PA.

2. Who exactly is the Prime aimed at? At the console gamer, who baulked at the £700-£800 Pro? Or the PC gamer, who would never step down from their PC that cost anywhere between £1500 and £5000, and for whom the Prime offers absolutely nothing worth investing in? A Prime that is PC-lite may sound enticing, but for it to be so, it will come with a premium price tag, and despite Spencer saying they are not looking at a £1000 console, I would put money on it that it will cost around that, or else it will not offer the premium generational leap that is being touted...

Game Pass and Microsoft are busy slowly killing video games. And I say that even though I was a subscriber for over five years, thanks to various promotions. Today, if I really like a game and want to support the developer (and not Microsoft's shareholders), then I buy it! Just like we used to. Except I don't buy them on Xbox anymore.

I won't buy anything from them again, consoles or games: it's over for me. I've supported them since the first Xbox, I have hundreds of games (in boxes) at home, but since buying my Series X, I no longer buy any recent games. I mainly use it to replay old, excellent backward compatible games.

If their games are everywhere in the future, the Xbox will follow the same path as the Dreamcast, and therefore, SEGA: Microsoft will be nothing more than a game publisher, nothing more.

The strategy is clearly working so it's not surprising to hear they are continuing with it.

Thats not news.

Its safe to say that xbox is for people who owned one and like it, for heavy GP player or for someone who plays on multiple devices within the ecosystem.

I dont think its enough pull for avergae player.

Next xbox if its a traditional console is guaranteed to sell less. At best we are looking at 20M copies sold which is still decent though but will see if 3rd party support is there.
If next xbox is pc-like then its a big gamble. Could be a massive win but its more probable to be a big L being pricey neither as good as console nor PC device.
Handheld will be dead on arrival. Sorry dont see anything exciting about it.

I think it more comes down how they treated the loyal xbox audience. Rarely straight up lie but Constant misrepresentation and deceit wrapped in the corporate speech.
Never clear direction or plans.
Ported games to ps5 are getting features and updates that were not on xbox.
Barealy any exclusives this gen (before ports started) and carried with Bethesda mostly.
Focus on acquisitions and money, not on games.
Genius marketing against their own console.
I fell like They want a share of bigger pie at a cost of a loyal fanbase.

If Next gen is a traditional console SX successor - not interested at all.
The whole point is GP but it takes another price hike and stopping of all conversion schemes so people start unsubscribing from GPU.

If its a PC-xbox hybrid that they can figure out at a decent price - sure, that could be interesting on paper but in reality not sure if they can pull it off.

@Kaloudz value of GP is there today for people who actively play and are interested in Ms games to start with. No doubt.
If you are not into Ms games you are fine with ps plus. Also second hand market on PS is big.
On PC there are gog and steam sales.
Problem is average gamer does not know about conversions and schemes to save on GP and having another pricey sub for games does not sound enticing as again average person wants to play that specific hype game that is usually not on GP (except maybe COD).
$20 is borderline and I think another price hike could hit it pretty hard.
Plus the PC-like xbox rumours - GP count and revenues will fall dramatically next gen.

I feel like MS got themselves into a situation where there is no good way out.

About the handhelds. Sorry but aside from couple of xbox fans I dont see it flying at all. There is just so much competition in portable space today and next week switch 2 launches that rumours to be more powerful than even steam deck.

@Fiendish-Beaver @Millionski

I mean, I suppose all we can do is wait and see. We have this tug-a-war debate whenever these articles come about (lol) and truth be told, until we master the art of rubbing a crystal ball, we wont know until future becomes to past.

I personally think we're in for an amazing time, and I think MS are in a very, very strong position. We can always revisit these remarks to see who was right and who was wrong, with plenty of humble pie to chow down.

Agreed, @Kaloudz, but might I suggest that you stop eating for the foreseeable future? I want you to leave plenty of room for that humble pie... 🤣

Too right, @themightyant! At least we are always civil, mate...

@Fiendish-Beaver Exactly this, thinking that all of the money that MS gets out of selling ports will be reinvested into the Xbox ecosystem and Game Pass is pure delusion.

The moment revenue from ports it’s higher than Game Pass revenue or Xbox itself it will cease to be a priority and launching games on PlayStation will be the main priority for Microsoft as weird as that sounds, it really is Windows Phone all over again, Microsoft became dependent on Apple and Google (iOS and Android) just to sell mobile software when they repeatedly failed to turn WP around, now they’ll be dependent on Sony, Nintendo and Steam just to be able to sell game software.
A pathetic outcome but deserved out of Microsoft’s incompetence.

@Kaloudz I dont understand why are you so positive. I mean yeah MS did a lot for PC and PS5 and soon for switch 2. They did nothing for series S/X. They are not restocking consoles, they increased GP price and introduced BS standard tier, they are marketing against console so they are literally flat now.
Yes they have a lot of games on GP and its still good value, yet it doesnt fully replace gaming imo as too many big anticipated games ars not there: ac shadows, KCD2, monster hunter wilds - these are the biggest games of this year already. And so much more to come.
Yeah if the only point of console is value factor and thats assuming you skip on other games.
I think after another price hike for GP and nerfing all the conversions, people will start unsubbing.

P.S. i am doomish lately but not full gloom. I have 2 SX and GP till 2027 so I am OK overall. I am
Not happy tho to hear every month another BS news about Ms and how they bury the console further.

@Kaloudz you dont need crystal ball at this point.

As of today - xbox series becomes a secondary thing for MS.
In next couple of years:
Portable xbox - super niche.
Next xbox as a traditional console - even less popular than series, borderline flopping.
Next xbox as a PC - super big gamble, likely flop too as PC market is there at any time, more competition from Valve.

@IOI exactly. Why worry about the service when you can just sell games as before?
Thats why I kinda thought this multiplat strategy goes against the game pass strategy since maximizing GP would mean selling xboxes and making games exclusive to xbox and xbox PC store and exclude steam.

I think the least evil if GP get nerf for all the loopholes and gets a price increase.
The worst could be downsizing the service into EA/UBI-like service with only its own games. Not even sure about day 1.

The only real argument to keep GP is that eventually when everyone abandons hardware sales and go into cloud, they will have an edge. But can the service sustain itself for next 10-20 years is a question mark. I think it can with price increases.

Oh and yeah if they go PC, expext the GP count to shrink like double lol with free online and steam sales.

I still think that a LOT will be 'older' games and by 'older', I mean at least a month of 'exclusivity' for Xbox Hardware (not 3-7days earlier access). With MS now focussed more on Game Pass and its 'monthly' Sub retainment as well as aiming for at least 1 big game a quarter, I can see MS keeping most of their games 'Exclusive for a minimum of a month/quarter.

Indiana Jones isn't likely selling Game Pass or Consoles now - those that wanted to play would have subbed/bought by now and Xbox themselves are now relying on games like Avowed, South of Midnight and even Doom to 'promote' their Ecosystem.

Some games will of course release Day/Date on Sony's hardware - games like CoD, Minecraft and Doom - all of which have an active Online Community playing these IP's on Playstation hardware. Therefore it makes sense to keep those Communities happy and playing 'together' with friends/family thanks to cross-play.

@Fiendish-Beaver Lmao! I'll leave some room but, in the event I'm right, I want you to overeat so that you don't have room, that way I can watch you eat it slowly...

@Millionski I just don't see it as a bad thing. I don't see how them selling some games elsewhere makes the lick of difference when they've been doing it on PC for a long, long time now. We knew MS would release some games multiplat when they acquired Bethesda several years ago (they said as much) and we knew it would be the same deal when they acquired ABK (because again, they said as much then too).

People are getting gutted because first party games are opening up to new platforms, which is good for the games, good for the developers, and good for the player-base. It makes zero difference to how we enjoy our games.

As for the future, MS have a solid pathway ahead of them. I'm personally massively excited for what they have in store - based on what we know so far.

@Residentsteven Then what are you playing while waiting for the next uncharted or Last of us on Playstation? 3rd party games, i guess? Why would Xbox gamers get bored when they can play the tsunami of 3rd party releases coming out just the same as on Ps!

@Burnfeeling Couldn’t find anything that interested me on gp I’m still playing old ps games and 3rd party at the moment.

@BAMozzy there is absolutely no incentive for MS to give xbox even a timed exclusivity at this point. They dont care about console. And it has been proven that the best is to release game everywhere at the same time to maximize hype and revenues. Marketing campaigns are built up leading to a specific date and then for ports down the road no one does any advertising.

I would be very surprised if next gen MS games are not day 1 for every single project.

@Kaloudz PC is not a console so no one sees them as a competitor. Its the different audience and logic.
PS and xbox go toe to toe (well used to) so MS actively undercuts xbox console fanbase and gives more incentive to buy competitor machine. Also they put more work for these ports so games like hifi rish get 120fps for example. And its going to be even more down the road as people on PS will pay full price for games. Simple as that.

Another point is (half rumour) some games are delayed because they are being prepared to be ported. That includes Starfield next dlc and fable.

Again my point is from xbox console perspective. As I said before if you are on PC then you are good and now ps5/switch 2 as well. I feel like xbox just loses interest from everyone and next gen it becomes very weird choice for many

@BAMozzy the thing is many missed the important strategy shift - GP is NOT anymore a priority. Spencer said in the interview that roughly 15% of total revenues are GP and he does NOT except this number to grow. Aka they still want to sell you games and dlc/microtransactions.
By going to other platforms and pushing the PC they will only lose GP subs but seems like they dont care and GP will be something they milk from xbox console fanbase

@Dalamar73 I agree. Who would have thought back in 2010 that they would drive the Xbox brand to near extinction. Without competition consoles will probably be much more expensive next Gen. Look at the price of the PS5 Pro.

@BleedingDreamer

"Look at the price of the PS5 Pro"

I certainly believe Sony were testing the waters with that price. I fully expect the PS6 to come in no less than £550-600.

@Millionski There is 'incentive' as it brings those games to its Console/Game Pass 'first' and that will make a difference - its the same reason Sony don't sell their games on PC day and date too - and as for hype, a second 'release', such as Indiana coming to PS5 or Spider-Man going to PC, that in turn gives the game a 2nd hype run. Spider-Man saw a jump in PS sales when it released on PC because it reminds people they have 'great' games to play.

By going to other Platforms, it opens up another opportunity to bring in Revenue. If you release 'everything' Day 1 on PS, then it also means losing a chunk of Revenue direct to Sony where as if its 'exclusive' on Xbox, even if just for 3-4 months, that's maximum revenue - by the time it comes to PS, it could be on sale for 70% on Xbox so MS would still get the same revenue per game sold.

Delaying a release on PS - as the majority of Xbox games that have released on that platform, have been 'older' games - only CoD and Minecraft so far have released Day and Date - and I know Doom will too, but all the rest were 'exclusive' on Xbox.

3/4 months may not seem like much, but by the time Indiana launches, Xbox owners will be looking forward to South of Midnight, Doom etc and Avowed has released too. That's the 'incentive' for Xbox gamers to buy their Hardware and/or Sub to Game Pass. That's what MS can use to sell their Hardware and services., that's where MS make the 'most' Revenue per 'gamer' from their Games so it makes sense to incentivise playing on Game Pass or 'buying' through their Xbox/Windows Store - neither of which they can get on Nintendo/Sony hardware.

The more people they can 'encourage' to play on their own hardware or at least buy from their store, the more money they make. Sony will take a 30% cut as Platform holder, Retailer and of course for using their trademarks (Sony, Playstation etc) on the Box Art. Therefore it doesn't make 'sense' to sell Day 1 on PS5 when they want to incentivise playing on Xbox/Game Pass and will still make money on Playstation when it finally does release because its still 'cheaper' to buy on PS than buy a Series S/X just to play it on Xbox 'first'.

People are making a big fuss about the next Xbox having Steam but you don't need to wait that long! at this second you can buy/build a PC that can play Steam, Xbox and some PlayStation titles.

What will the Xbox Steam do that a high end PC can't do? it doesn't go both ways though, there will be lots of things that PC can do over Xbox Steam.

Xbox going to make lots of extra £/$.

@BAMozzy I understand and there is definitely some pros and moreover I would personally advocate for red lines. Could be as simple as Bethesda/ABK everything multiplat but OG xbox stuidous could be fully permanent exclusive.

Bottom line it does not matter what we think anymore. This year we are having Doom, OW2, THPS3+4 and COD all day 1 on PS with fable being pushed to 2026 likely (rumour) due to desire to launch it on PS6 day 1.

There will be less and less exclusives, even timed ones and eventually everything will be day 1 everywhere. I bet next gen it will be a new norm. Phil said it - they dont want exclusives.

We are just in a transition stage now where they test waters and try to smoothen out the change in strategy. Hence the 4month Indy delay.
You mentioned “2nd hype” for ports but usually its just flops like som sony ports on PC and people complain that theybshould ve released simultaneously. Look at how HD2 did.

Since they dont care much about xbox consoles (which is a fact no one can argue anymore) its way more beneficial financially to launch all games everywhere day 1

@Juanalf exactly and its very hard to have best of both worlds in one device at a reasonable price.
On top of that, we have Valve who are full steam (pun intended) ahead with Steam Os and working on desktop Steam os

@Millionski As we see Indiana Jones release - as well as games like AoE2, AoMythology, FH5 and Doom releasing on Pl;aystation, only one of those is Day 1 on BOTH Xbox and Playstation.

Xbox have released Avowed since Indy - Indy was 'last' year, was Last Quarter, and next Quarter, we have South of Midnight, Towerborne and Doom to look forward to - only one of those is releasing on PS5 - certainly not Day 1 at least...

They could release Starfield or Hellblade 2 later this year or maybe next year, but won't get State of Decay 3, Fable, Clockwork Revolution or Perfect Dark when they release. Maybe they'll release older 'big' Xbox games on Playstation so get Sales revenue as they release their New Games into Game Pass - they Get Starfield as we get Clockwork Revolution...

Its not that they don't care about consoles anymore, its more that they don't care about Console 'SALES' anymore. 30m is still a respectable number of People to cater to and if anything, appreciate your loyalty - hence they ensure you get EVERY game they make and/or have Control over on your platform of choice often first and you have the best Customer service(s).

All a Console is is a 'gaming device' to suit your prefered cost and/or gaming set-up. If you have a 'higher' budget, PC which is also a Microsoft Windows device with Windows/Xbox store and 'Play Anywhere'/'Direct Storage' versions (installs the version for your hardware across both PC and Xbox Consoles) and if 'Hardware' options are to expensive for the amount or 'casual' way you play, they even offer Cloud (through a TV/Firestick too) gaming. So selling '30m' Consoles is still impressive as PC gamers who might have bought a Console for 'exclusives' won't buy an Xbox and those who don't really need a Console but enjoy gaming won't buy an Xbox - but they are still able to be part of the Xbox ecosystem. Cloud are playing on 'Xbox' - just not their own and Xbox/PC are both Windows powered Devices...

@Dalamar73 that is still a steep price for most families. Hopefully the economy is in pretty good shape when it releases.

@Fiendish-Beaver

I'm quite negative on the MS Gaming strategy like you.

GP is dying, they're not going to get the 100M subs they wanted, and putting the next COD on there is throwing money away.

Xbox console is dying, and they are tyring to make us PC Gamers instead, using MS Store on PC.

But, I think MS is such a big company that can support disastrous MS Gaming decisions for years. And the MS CEO says something like 'they are in Gaming because of MS History with it', like it's just the 'idea' they are into or something

The next Xbox should just be a gaming pc, running past Xbox games in emulation. Then they could run steam on it and PS games would be on Xbox as well.

xbox going to have a record breaking quarter and year

@Hexamex-Tex
I agree that the next XB should be a gaming PC with emulation/compatibility for all XB games, but I think that it is critically important that they stick to the simplicity of the console UI. It should run games and allow apps but within the confines of the console UI as it is or evolves to by then.

I would consider it a fail if it had a desktop, start menu, taskbar, etc. It needs to boot and look and function like a console. Besides price that is why gamers buy consoles, they also don't want the drudgery of clicking around a PC.

Ideally for me, I would like to buy a Windows PC and be able to configure it as a console just by clicking a setting in the start menu, then next time I boot it, it runs in console mode. And there should be a setting to bring it back to PC mode in the console UI. That way I can decide what I want the device to be, and if I can afford to and want to pay $5,000 for a super souped up console they are helping me do that.

@TheGiraffe Sure, they're losing 30% from everyone that switches from Xbox to PlayStation, but they're also gaining sales from a much bigger player base (existing PS users) that are now able to buy the game.