Jim Ryan Wasn't Overly Concerned About Call Of Duty Xbox Exclusivity

I don't think what he's saying means he doesn't care if it becomes xbox exclusive, he's saying he's not worried that Microsoft would make call of duty exclusive to begin with and believes it will stay multiplatform.

But still, he needs to make his mind up.

God bless you Admins =)

Sony is just opposing the deal because they just want to make it opponents as difficult as possible.

Mindset of a market leader. I hate it.

@Moonglow He's talking about the deal as a whole, the first part of his statement where he says "It is not an exclusivity play at all. They’re thinking bigger than that" he's basically saying he knew Microsoft don't want to make it exclusive and then finishes it with "I’m pretty sure we will continue to see Call of Duty on PlayStation for years to come".

Although again it's a play words and can be taken as meaning both, I can't see Sony being happy with him saying they don't care about call of duty. But if he did mean it that way then he's a fool.

Love the picture at the top of the article 😂😂

Phil eyeing Ryan.
Ryan: ‘oh he looks angry. Is he gonna start a fight?’😂😂

Once people have expressed an opinion are they locked into that opinion and never allowed to change it? All the email shows is at the time the email was sent he wasn't overly concerned about exclusivity, that doesn't mean that at some point either before or after he may have held a different opinion on the matter.
Neither side is coming out of this hearing looking particularly great and lies are being exposed on both sides, all it shows is that we can't really trust what any big corporation says.

Wasn't there a gap though between this and Sony complaining to regulators? Microsoft actions over the year (like how they put Halo Infinite on life support to make room for CoD) may have changed Sony's opinion on the situation.

Jim has always been a snake everyone knows this so nobody is surprised to see this. I agree people can change their minds based on the conversations and discussion they have later on. I was dead set on getting Redfall and then saw what a mess it was and changed my mind. I don’t understand why everyone is getting bent out of shape for in getting ABK under Microsoft anyway. Why would you actively want something to be exclusive that’s multi platform? It is beyond me. Microsoft has some great IP there and if they focused and nurtured the talent they have they wouldn’t need to seek buying up publishers and fighting in court. What a waste…

Seems to be a lot of lies coming out from both sides on this one granted this one is probably the biggest.

I think even if this this deal does close. Neither side will have an easy time of it making further acquisitions now.

This is the biggest news since the deal started because it shows that Jim is lying about what he pretends to be his biggest concern, Call of Duty. Ultimately, the self-proclaimed neutrals will defend his stance, no matter what.

It's also interesting to see how Sony started the fight after the acquisition of Bungie was approved. I'm sure that Sony will share big news again once the ABK acquisition is complete.

Today showed Sony has known all along we’ll stand by our promise to keep games on its platform and made clear its work to lobby against the deal is only to protect its dominant position in the market.

Absolutely true.

If Phil said something like this 100000% it would not be seen as an opinion, much like the Booty email

@Moonglow I agree. FF16 should be able to be enjoyed by all. I’m playing it now and it’s great but I’d rather choose where I play it where possible.

Sony fanboys and Xbox fanboys celebrate each others misery which is insane I agree.

With CoD Microsoft have committed to 10 years so it has been suggested that it could go exclusive once that expires and no I’m not specifically referring to CoD but about the entire IP of a publisher being locked down.

@Zoidpilot4 It's revealing that PS posted this, "'We've Lost the Console Wars,' Says Trillion Dollar Underdog Xbox" but haven't posted "Sony Admits Privately That They Lied About Call of Duty Sabotage Concerns on PlayStation"

@Banjo- It's typical moral hypocrisy which is one of the ten flaws in humanity, unfortunately this means when facts are presented, cognitive dissonance and opinion superiority delusion kicks in, making it impossible for them to see the truth. I find it very sad that there are gamers out there who limit themselves to one console, even sadder when they allow themselves to believe what the Internet tells them to. Then you have online influencers who promote negative outrages in order to ascertain a close knit, though fairly large but still a minority, of viewers who will listen and trust everything they say. Creating division, typical human tribalistic behaviour, the us vs them mentality. That's where it turns nasty. And no group is safe from it, gaming included =(

I just wish the truth was more heard. Sony has killed or at least helped kill Sega, and tried to do it to Nintendo. Now they're after xbox.

(To admins, is this a breach of rules? I'm still getting use to the rules etc. I don't want to keep banging the drum but I have autism and still learning what is acceptable and not. Sorry if I have breached any rules again, I'm trying to keep within them)

I almost bought a PS5 yesterday. then i thought about ryan again...

I actually have every generation every console, but this time I can't, maybe when it's no longer with Sony.

@Moonglow There was a gap after Sony acquiring Bungie though which included a load of news for Halo which strongly suggested Microsoft were going to kill off Halo and replace it with CoD as Xbox's flagship franchise.

@Zoidpilot4 As you might have noticed, some people don't like others calling them and Sony out on their hypocrisy. People that in reality don't like Xbox but somehow they linger here forever.

Back to topic LOL, yes, Jim is the biggest hypocrite in the industry.

@Banjo- I was just thinking, they must report my comments for it to be looked at, right? That's so strange that they can stir the pot and still report people for being passionate about xbox on an xbox site, that's no dig at the admins, they're right to remove my comment if it breaks the rules and I respect that, and they run an amazing site here, it's just annoying because clearly they (the people who may or may not like xbox) are clever with their wording, in a way it doesn't breach rules.

I'll leave it there hahaha. What I will say is that what Jim Ryan said in those Emails should be plastered on every gaming news site, and HAS to be used against his argument, surely. This type of gaslighting and lying is seen all over politics, and it makes me wonder if Ryan is just that, a politcian. Would get along with Rishi and Boris I bet.

@WallyWest seems like a nice way to say nothing negative about Jim and continue on with MS is bad for trying to buy a company that is for sale and the company admitted MS wasn’t even the first company in mind to sell to. Way to make two wrongs into a right. We know Jim knew from the start COD wasn’t leaving PS, much like Minecraft. But he told the CMA they would be DOOMED if it was pulled. This email is shady, let’s just call it what it is.

Just as we suspected lyin', cryin' Jim Ryan. Have a little integrity, geez.

@Green-Bandit pay him no mind, he comes on PureXbox and does this all the time. Offers nothing of value to the discussion. Just regurgitated nonsense.

@Banjo- fake news at its best again. This is why Media and news outlets get called out all the time. I lose respect quick for people that tell half the story.

@J_Mo_Money i am quite aware of his PS is good, Xbox is bad, DDDRRRR talk. But i give Pure Xbox big props for posting this cause it’s a major piece in the court room i assure everyone. PS is still getting COD and would still be fine even if they didn’t. Now if you’ll excuse me i am off to play FF16 on my Xbox….. oh wait!!

@Green-Bandit I like how Matt Booty's completely redacted email from 2019 that apparently had nothing to do with this merger case was a smoking gun, but somehow an email that shows plain as day Jim Ryan has been flying around the globe for the last year spouting stuff he likely didn't really believe is basically just 'an opinion piece'. Lmaoooo

@Green-Bandit You think i like Jim? I don't and it would be better for us if he was gone its just unlike Phil who has a knife behind his back i feel Jim is more open with his intentions for better or worse. End of the day Jim and Phil don't give two "sh*ts about the players its just i feel one doesn't really try to hide it while the other does, i prefer honestly over snakes ready to bite.

@Kaloudz being pre-recorded, would be hilarious if his statement brings up exclusivity concerns again despite the emails brought up quoting him as not concerned at all.

@Green-Bandit Pretty much. Did you see the required revenue splits needed to even get it on xbox? I'm sure other games require 80/20 instead of 70/30 as well. You wonder why MS want to own studios, so they dont have to put up with that overpaying nonsense. Forget the shoes, buy the whole shoe store.

Lyin Jim Ryan doing what he does.

I really enjoyed listening all day at work yesterday, hopefully today is just as interesting.

@Zoidpilot4 Oh i would happily tell them that to their face. Anyone who thinks MS bought Activision because Sony bought Bungie should just stop talking, MS would have been planning on buying Activision long before they were even aware Sony were buying Bungie and even if they were would they care? They just bought Bethesda one of the biggest publishers in gaming so Sony buying Bungie and keeping it 3rd party means so little to them. Don't need qualifications its just basic logic and common sense to know or guess these things. If anything Sony's spending spree started after MS's but of course Xbox fans love to forget that MS bought a ton of Devs prior to going after Bethesda and Activision.

@J_Mo_Money Funny during the Xbox showcase i done nothing but give it praise, in fact it was so good i plan on upgrading to a Series X in the coming months and i'm excited to do so, i'm also super pumped for Starfield more then any other game coming out and have already set aside £100 for the most expensive digital version. If i hated Xbox i wouldn't do that.

You see i love Xbox and i love my Series S but yeah sue me i can't stand MS but i will praise when they deserve it just like i tear down Sony on PQ when they deserve it just like i did with that dreadful showcase focused on live service rubbish no one wants.

@Tharsman I wish Jim could appear in court as a hologram, you know, like those hologram concerts they do for dead musicians. Somehow that would just be a lot funnier than a video recording.

@Kaloudz shouldn't be that concerned if he didn't even make the trip out. I'm curious if he'll be shadowed out on his recording with the deep, masked voice like they do for witnesses who don't want to be identified lol

I really wish Jim Ryan was called as a witness. Would have been great to hear xbox lawyers pepper him with questions and highlight the numerous lies he has been telling.

Everything he says contradicts something else he has said. He would be at home in politics.

Edit: Jim Ryan is a witness today directly after Phil Spencer. There should be plenty of quotable moments.

@SplooshDmg Then, we'd be able to see the tragedy in his eyes about Microsoft sabotaging Call of Duty on PS. Do you think he would be a good actor?

@WallyWest Phil has a job to do and that’s get Xbox back to a power house in the industry. He’s not perfect at times, but he’s not lying and doing anything wrong, people are into their feelings to much about plastic boxes and that say’s more than attacking one man or even 2 men over doing their jobs. Business get’s ugly and i have no idea why most gamers get so involved into the business side anyways cause most of them don’t understand it and use it as a way to senselessly fight over a plastic box that is a PC with a brand name on it. I own all 3 and could care less who win’s, lies more or less or what not, which one brings me fun, in this case they all do and i want all 3 to be successful.

@J_Mo_Money Exactly and i think this will continue. Ms will continue to acquire smaller teams and tech to enrich the Xbox Brand. Let the games do the talking, all this internet fighting isn’t going to stop their plans of making Xbox as good as they can. Cutting out the middle man is smart, they have enough money to become a gaming live service by themselves and that scares Sony. Cause Sony would love to be able to invest that much into PS and gaming infrastructure, but obviously can’t.

@Kaloudz It is a blessing and a curse haha, glad you understand it too

@Green-Bandit be the giant everyone thinks you are. Embrace the evil empire mentality others will blame you for being. The evolution into Darth Vader has commenced and I'm here for it!

@DreamlandGem appreciate it!

@Banjo- He's a better comedian than actor, I'd say. While we're at it, we can bring in the hologram of Antonio Vivaldi to play the world's smallest violin for him.

@Green-Bandit But Phil does lie he does it all the time they all do, come on dude he's one of Don Mattrick's supporters Phil has never been clean he's just very very good at PR and feeling like "one of us".

Look i'm not defending Jim, i would cheer if he was booted as he's bringing down what Sony built up last gen but Jim is doing what any other person in his position would do. If Sony were buying Activision do you honestly think Phil would let it happen? He would say and do anything to stop it why? Because Sony or MS owning Activision will massively impact the other in a negative way.

What are these avengers doing for the third-party games being specifically excluded from Xbox because of Sony's anti-competitive deals?

@DreamlandGem Ah okay, that make sense. Sorry for keep breaking the rules. I genuinly don't mean to, and have deleted the ones that were reported. Also, I delete comments I think might have broken the rules too. I think I'll just ignore those I disagree with, and keep to the subject. Sometimes I like to ask questions but I think they take it the wrong way, etc. Thank you for letting me know

@WallyWest You say that Phil has a knife behind his back ready to use, that Jim is honest and open about his true intentions and that Microsoft is doing the same as Sony, paying third parties to keep games from Xbox.

Where are the examples of Microsoft paying a third party to keep games off Playstation that don't go back to the Xbox 360 days and that are comparable to Sony list of anti-competitive deals, that includes...

· Zenimax games before the acquisition, including Ghostwire Tokyo, Deathloop and, according to some leaks, Starfield.

· Call of Duty exclusive content and early access.

· Final Fantasy XVI.

· Hogwarts Legacy exclusive content.

· Final Fantasy VII Remake/Intergrade/Rebirth.

· Forspoken.

· Deal with Capcom to keep Resident Evil game off Game Pass.

· Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster Collection.

Sony's corruption was getting exposed in the process. It makes sense they would change their tune because court can be very expensive. Can't block games going to other platforms that way.

@Banjo- I will go back to the 360 days as it taught Sony hard lessons. Remember how MS had timed CoD deals? GTA IV timed DLC? Remember how Splinter Cell Conviction is on 360 but not PS3? Remember how MS were the ones to force Horse Armour to be a cost as they didn't want free DLC on the store for it? Let's move on to the X1? You remember the original plan right a plan Phil was part of? Games wise MS sure loved those timed deals or exclusives like Dead Rising 3 a full exclusive or Ryse another 3rd party exclusive, then you have Dead Rising 4 and Tomb Raider being timed exclusive. Series era see's Stalker, Arc 2, more Indies then i can count, Scorn (meant to be timed but who knows) and more that i can't remember. Before you say "well MS helped fund some of those" well yeah Sony helped fund FF7R and FF16 and allowed SE access to their tech for the games. MS even make deals to embargo reveals to other consoles now, out of the 3 Atlus reveals only 2 have been officially revealed for PS days after the Xbox reveal with the 3rd only known to have a PS release thanks to a slip up.

Funny patten MS does something and Sony copies it. Look at the history and you will see the anti consumer stuff usually starts with MS first with Sony then taking note and then copying or "improving" on it. Paid online even started with MS.

@WallyWest Now you are saying that because Sony gave the PS5 development kits ("access to their tech", interesting wording) to Square Enix, it's only fair that Sony keep the Final Fantasy games off Xbox. Now I remember that you said that Final Fantasy games could only run on PS consoles, I wonder how the Windows versions work, then. You also claim that because Microsoft had deals with third parties ten years ago, it's fair that Sony pay the biggest publishers in order to keep games and content off Xbox indefinitely. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. It's positive to do thrice as many negative things if that means hurting Xbox players in the present and future.

Sony don't care about Square Enix, they just want to keep games off Xbox, same with ZeniMax games before the acquisition, same with Warner content and same with ABK content until recently. Sony is a company that is only interested in paying for keeping AAA games off Xbox in order to keep the console market dominance and keep milking their users. Sony don't care about other platforms and they don't care about the development costs of third-party games nor about Square Enix needing assistance and selling half of their studios.

@Banjo- Have you actually read the interviews with SE about Sony're role in FF? If FF16 was 3rd party it wouldn't be the same FF16 we have now and the same applies to FF7.

Look i get it when MS do exclusives it timed deals its fine but when Sony do it its bad and corrupt. Sony are doing the things MS are doing or have done. I'm sorry though poor MS the Trillion Dollar Corp who have had to suffer at the hands of big bad Sony who could barely afford the 4B to buy Bungie. Dude MS are not victims here, if they were allowed and the parent side of MS wanted too they could buy up gaming like all of it from Sony to Nintendo to EA to Take Two and so on and after that? They would most likely still be a trillion dollar corp. Sony are no threat to MS no one is, they don't need you defending them.

Boo hoo FF16 a game that would sell poorly on Xbox anyway isn't on it doesn't mean it justifies buying the biggest 3rd part gaming publisher out there. Dude we have Starfield coming this year, its without a doubt one of the biggest games this year no doubt biggest if not for Zelda and it will leave FF16 in the dust and it along with Zelda will be the games people look at 2023 and think off. FF16 doesn't matter to MS because they have something that will do better on Xbox then FF16 ever would on it. Just to be clear though i don't care Starfield is Xbox exclusive, if anything it being exclusive is better as its allowed MS to be heavily involved with it and iron out issues most Bethesda games launch with. My issue is MS are not stopping with these acquisitions and i don't think they will stop until they're forced too. If those emails are true they want Sony outright removed from gaming.

@WallyWest Sony’s record of buying something means Sony platforms only, MS has shared Minecraft and others for years now. But yes any owner should and would have concerns. I am ok with that, but Sony act’s like they don’t do things to cripple competition. They do, and that’s why Jim isn’t in person at the FTC court hearing, to dodge live questions by lawyers. Sony got called out a few times already and they shut up quick, did you notice that? There’s a reason for that, and so all i am saying is, if Sony and Jim had legit concerns they would be more honest and in court at the moment. Not petty white lies as their lead example. Again i am ready for this case to be over, as i just want the games. But i am happy to see ABK being bought by one of the Big 3 and not Amazon or Tencent., i said that from the beginning and i stand by that today. This deal is all about MS getting into mobile with King and very little to do with COD. MS has said with King they will be able to make a mobile storefront and enter the mobile space with is far more money than console. Thats the real win here for MS, Sony is trying to get their mobile strategy in place as well.

@WallyWest Sorry, I can't waste more time.

@Jenkinss where are you listening?

@Moonglow @Kaloudz @Green-Bandit @Microbius That's the takeaway. Jim has travelled around the world lying to the regulators and hiding their anti-competitive practices and documents and now that everything is exposed, he's hiding in his fancy mansion. This is the whole story in a few lines. The deal will be complete soon and then Sony won't be able to keep Zenimax nor ABK games and/or content off Xbox like before.

@Banjo- Shame it was fairly reasoned if a bit snarky response, hell even gave praise to MS and said Starfield being exclusive is for the best but oh well never mind shame 🙄

@teknium_

Of course, listening all day. Sadly they're not broadcasting Jim Ryan's testimony so it's silence right now.

edit sorry I misread your question. I'm listening to the court zoom meeting
https://www.cand.uscourts.gov/ftc-v-microsoft_corp_et_al/

@Green-Bandit Just to be clear i don't take any issue with you, i actually respect your takes and i find you well reasoned so if i'm been snarky i do apologise. I take meds for a medical issue and i was due them today only to not be giving them due to a fault their end, its left me very on edge today hence why i've been more way snaky and yeah ruder then usual on here today. I just wanted to say that before i leave my final response on this thread.

I'm just sick of this hypocrisy i see on here at times. I know its a Xbox site so it will have bias but you would think they're perfect angels going by comments on here and it feels like you can only like Xbox if you give loyalty to MS. You seen me on PQ you know i give fault to Sony if i see it, in fact i praise MS a lot of there. I tend to fault Sony, MS and Nintendo on the sites based on them as i feel that's where they deserve it. Anyway i'm tired and done with arguing over a gaming box.

@Jenkinss thanks for the reply and link!

@Banjo- i agree, plus this would make sure GP has a AAA hitting every 3-4 months which is the vision they have for it. That will make PS look dry at times which will be an advantage for Xbox.

What's wrong with organic growth, Jim? This is as organic as it gets.

@Green-Bandit @Kaloudz Nurturing Game Pass is the logical thing to do. It's very sad that the only way at the moment for Xbox players to play some Final Fantasy games would be acquiring Square Enix. That won't happen but if it happened you can bet they would hate Microsoft for doing so but not criticise Sony for paying Square Enix to specifically exclude Xbox. Heck, even mobile phones and Switch have Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster Collection. Let's not forget that Bethesda's games arrived one year later because of Sony's deals. How can anyone defend that while bashing Microsoft for acquiring studios? Both Zenimax and ABK wanted to be acquired, anyway.

@Kaloudz Yes it was entirely censored, we have to protect the market leader. To be honest I'm not entirely sure that's what was going on because it was like a few minutes of talking which I kind of missed because I was on the phone, and then an hour of silence (but I think that's what it was). If I'm wrong, we'll hear Lyin' Jim Ryan later. Phil just took the stand so the audio is finally back.

@Jenkinss Keep us posted!

@WallyWest have you forgotten when ps try to get full exclusivity for gta4 before ms step up for timed exclusivity

@Banjo- It's organic Banjo, simply pure organic growth. The best kind!

Have a read https://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-paid-75-million-to-stop-gtaiv-ps3-exclusivity/1100-6262370/

@Kaloudz Just play your backlog until things change, that's what I do 😁.

@J_Mo_Money What this has taught us is that there are alternative, ultimate realities where some people live and where facts don't matter at all.

@Banjo- Sony simply F'ed around, and right now, they are finding out.

@Moonglow I literally said in one of my replies its better Starfield is exclusive due to MS being more involved and getting it out in a better shape then Bethesda normally would.

@Kaloudz I still have to play the second part of Ni No Kuni after loving the first. Now I'm playing Soul Hackers 2, also on Game Pass. On top of that, I have old Final Fantasy games, plus all the Persona and Yakuza games to play on the Game Pass backlog.

@Banjo- 15 min recess, it's pretty much been a slow burn of the FTC trying to get Phil to admit the Switch isn't competition for Xbox/Playstation.

@Jenkinss Thanks for the updates, keep them coming.

@WallyWest i want to first thank you for saying your appreciate most of my takes, i really do try and be fair as i love and own all 3 consoles. So thank you very much for that, secondly i am sorry to hear you are on edge and I certainly hope you get to feeling better. You are a strong person for admitting that and i have nothing but appreciation for that. So please be well soon. I do see you on Push and i know you aren’t always happy with the Sony camp either and i do respect that. Comes down to no console is perfect and that’s why owning at least more than 1 helps. This site or Push or any site these day’s will have loyal one sided fan’s and it’s just the ugly truth of being on here and talking with gamers. I have found some really great people on both here and Push. So much so i have long gone quit many other sites entirely and use these two close to exclusively. Look i say this all the time and i know it’s cheesy or whatever, but video games is entertainment and suppose to be fun. Online arguments about the devices that bring us fun in turn take away from it. The only part of the gaming community that is truly bad is the online console war stuff. It’s ok to have favorites and what not. It’s ok to politely poke fun here and there at the other side. But people are taking it way to far. Your smart, and have a good feel for the industry, use that to give fair and valid feedback. 😊

@Banjo- Phil just said Sony paid for Final Fantasy FFXVI (among other titles) exclusivity, in case there was any doubt. I've seen some nonsense spread regarding that lately.

@Jenkinss That is a very good update. I'm sure that more people are enjoying them. It has been confirmed that Sony pays Square Enix to keep games off Xbox, then. Goodbye to fanboy lies such as games don't sell on Xbox and Square Enix don't want to release their games on Xbox.

@Banjo- Agreed and MS needs to get the Xbox brand to a point that dev’s need them. Have to have their games on the platform. Missing those games is just not a good look for MS or Square in my opinion.

"We have some good stuff cooking"

Well...ok, but that was before we knew the "good stuff" was Fairgame$ and Teletho...err..Marathon.

What I really want to know is what Jim really does think MS's angle is. Most of us know Playstation isn't the target of this, only the most core ponies think it's all about Playstation, and here we have Jim him self saying he's not among them. But I really am curious what Jim sees as MS's angle that's much bigger than PS, and what PS's angle/position is in that presumed future.

@Jenkinss That's not new information is it? Didn't Yoshida already say they shopped it around to "multiple" potential partners before going with Sony?

@Banjo- I don't think that answers any questions we still had. We already knew Sony pays for exclusivity with Square. What we don't know is why Square still doesn't bring things to XB after that exclusivity ends. But Square itself is still a weird part of that, I always go back to DQXI where it was the first game announced for "NX" before "NX" was Switch and then the 3DS and PS4 versions came out and they couldn't talk about Switch due to "adult reasons", then they finally come out with the Switch version which is a complete remake with much more content, then after a 1 year period ported that version to PS and XB both, sold it as a new game, and left the PS original buyers haging dry with a werid version.

So yeah, Sony pays Square, but seemingly (seemingly) for limited time, Square takes the money and runs, and then does??? Probably tries to squeeze money out of MS and Nintendo and EGS next for sloppy seconds exclusivity. A game like XVI seems from all reports to be basically tailor made for GoW fans, so it seems like they made a game to fit the audience rather than anything else. Wonder if it really would have a big market on XB.

I think that's just repackaging info we already knew and tells us nothing we didn't.

@Banjo- 45 minute lunch. It actually got spicier regarding this later, the FTC came back around to something related later and Phil said no, Sony did not pay Square for Final Fantasy exclusivity, and did not pay Bethesda for Ghostwire and Deathloop exclusivity. Sony paid to keep the titles off Xbox. Let that sink in. Sony isn't paying for exclusivity, they are paying to keep titles off Xbox.

I'm wondering if this is going to get picked up by gaming press, or how long it's going to take, because this is actually huge news. You need to do a little math here, but go ahead and look at all the not so graphically intense games coming from Square that are skipping Xbox like Octopath 2, Tactics Ogre Reborn, the FF Pixel Games, the list goes on and on that are coming to Switch and PS5. @FraserG there's your not so anonymous hot news tip of the day.

@Kaloudz That's hilarious, I assumed that was Microsoft's lawyer making him clarify. I wish there were cameras and not just audio!

(paraphrasing from memory) MS's lawyer asked him if they would keep CoD on Playstation, and he said that is their plan, and I guess it was the judge who then jumped in and said no I don't want to hear about a plan it needs to be concrete, and Phil then said it was his testimony that they would keep CoD on Playstation, assuming Sony allows it. This was the very last thing that happened before lunch recess.

@NEStalgia Not at all. After millions of words have been said about something so important, an official confirmation is much more than "repackaging". A single sentence pronounced by an official source (unless the source is lying and this is not the case because Phil wouldn't lie to the judge) is more revealing than the millions of words that have been spread on gaming sites by random people and the hypotheses and rumours that have been spread over the years on Twitter. An official statement like this is the only thing that is worth reading, actually.

Exactly what I have been saying for years! Sony is not paying for exclusivity, the word that should be used is exclusion. Sony don't buy exclusivity deals but exclusion deals. Sony pays for specifically keeping third-party games off Xbox. The official confirmation is very important, indeed @FraserG.

Phil is being very careful with his wording as he should. Microsoft intends to keep Call of Duty on Playstation but Jim said that they won't share the next console development kits in advance because they don't trust ABK. Besides, Sony didn't accept the 10-year deal that Microsoft offered them. Phil can not assure that Call of Duty will be on PS5-6 if Sony is closing all the doors and windows so what he says is that he intends to do so if Sony agrees. It's hilarious that Sony started all this worldwide legal action but they are not letting Call of Duty come to Playstation because they don't trust the people that create Call of Duty! Have you ever heard something at Jim's level before in your life?

@Kaloudz Indeed. Exclusion deals are anti-competitive and illegal in most markets and developed countries. The funny thing is that PS is reporting about Sonic's Birthday DLC but not about the trial.

@NEStalgia First of all kudos to YoshiP for turning around FF14, but the man is full of ***** with that and we both know it. FF16 xbox exclusivity would be prohibitively expensive for the console with 1/3 the playerbase. Square can either help foster a competitive console space as they did briefly around 2018, or do what they've done since, which is basically engage with Sony's abusive monopolistic practices. And if you think that's hyperbole...

What's new is what Phil then said during later questioning, he very explicitly corrected the FTC lawyer and said that Sony is not paying for exclusivity on these games, that Sony is specifically paying them to not ship games to Xbox. Now, think about the conversation around the slew of games shipping to PS5 and Switch like Octopath 2, Tactics Ogre Reborn, etc. "Oh I guess Square, or Japanese devs in general just don't like Xbox." That narrative is now dead. This is literally the reason monopolies are illegal.

@Jenkinss You explained it perfectly and objectively.

@Kaloudz You were spot-on all these months, the questions are revealing Sony's anti-competitive practices, Phil and Microsoft's lawyers are being coherent and rigorous and Jim cried, lied and now is hiding somewhere. The acquisition will be complete soon.

@Jenkinss I am only reading on a twitter thread so I want to check source is right, but did Phil also say to the judge they only bought Zenimax because they learned Sony was trying to pay for Starfield exclusivity?

@Jaxx420 Yes they mentioned that Sony was trying to pay for Starfield exclusivity, I don't remember them saying that was the only reason for the purchase though. The Bethesda exclusivity questioning got really tedious, the FTC lawyer must have asked Phil 1,000 different times about recalling meetings with X Y and Z Bethesda execs about exclusivity over like 30 minutes, I was falling asleep. Finally Phil was like dude we talk about exclusivity every single day, it's impossible to remember specific meetings from 2021. I'm sure I missed some spicy stuff today (believe it or not, I'm working lol) so we'll get a lot of that good stuff in the news stories too.

They're back from break now, but talking about mobile

I believe Phil just said the Xbox/gaming division in total runs at a profit loss but has a commitment to the board to be profitable. (If I heard that correctly, expect that to make headlines today)

@Jenkinss appreciate all the info given that you are working too! A lot of rubbish going around on twitter hard to siphen what is true and what isn't.

I too expect more clangers will have and will still drop today. This is the messiest story in gaming since the crash in the 80s tbh.

@Banjo- But wasn't this always known by "Console exclusive"/"1 year console exclusive" posted on every one of those games, and Yoshida touring talking about PS5 exclusivity and shopping it to different partners?

It was always official Sony pays for those. What we still don't know is what happens AFTER that time period. Phil wasn't talking about that, he was talking about the exclusivity that's already official/public. It tells us nothing about why 7R for example is still not on XB.

@Kaloudz according to the verge this is exactly what Phil said.

“I would raise my hand, I would do whatever it takes,” he told Judge Corley in court. “My commitment is, and my testimony is, that we will continue to ship future versions of Call of Duty on Sony’s PlayStation 5"

He only says 5 which again opens up more questions about future playstation consoles.

@Banjo- @Jenkinss Oh, I did not see that big about exclusion vs exclusivity that was clarified. Is there a link to that part of the transcript of audio anywhere? I'd much like to see that! That's....potentially criminal if true. No wonder Jim's hiding probably in a non-extradition country today if that's he case.

Heck, even Nintendo got nailed for the exclusion thing back in the 90's.

@Jenkinss RE YoshiP, yeah he's full of a lot of Square marketing but I believe him on that one. I fully expect they went to MS and if MS was willing to pay crazy money, they'd have gladly taken the cash. Just like when MS was going to buy square and then square changed the price so high MS didn't want it anymore. It's just how square does things. I've no doubt they went to google (stadia was still a thing then), amazon, apple, any sugar daddy they could hit up, but in the end, only Sony thinks on the same wavelength as them.

@NEStalgia Yoshida didn't exactly say, "Sony keeps Final Fantasy games off Xbox" and that's exactly what we learnt today. That's illegal in most markets and countries for the market leader (monopoly). Yoshida's ambiguity was enough for fanboys denying Sony's involvement. Regarding the future, the agreements are renewed regularly, Phil can't tell you what will happen in the future. He's telling a judge what has happened so far and what is happening right now with Square Enix games that every platform but Xbox gets.

Even if Square Enix offered their games to Microsoft before asking Sony, something that is as likely as Sony publishing games for Xbox, Microsoft wouldn't have paid for keeping games off PS5 because that's exactly the opposite of what they are trying to achieve and would have made future acquisitions even more difficult. The only possible scenario would be Microsoft acquiring Square Enix if Square Enix agreed but Square Enix would not.

@Kaloudz Still, it's very important all the light that you shared. They should stop saying "exclusivity" because it's "exclusion". Bethesda's games were available for PS5 and Windows at the same time. Most likely, PC would have got Starfield but Xbox not. Final Fantasy VII Remake is available on several PC stores but not on Xbox. Square Enix games that can run on Switch are available on Switch. All of them are exclusion deals to keep games off Xbox.

@NEStalgia They would need to go through all of Sony's Exclusivity contracts to find out if it exclusiion or not, they can't take Phil's word as he's most likely guessing as he doesn't have the details of Sony's contracts with Square Enix, Capcom, Konami etc, and if he had proof with Sony's Bethesda timed exclusives then he would of siad so. They would also most likely have to see Nintendo's contracts as well as most of these games that skip xbox also come to Nintendo such as Octopath Traveler 2, Monster Hunter Rise (for a over a year), Tactics Ogre etc

Also when he's talking about exclusion I can only think of one game so far that would possibly be full exclusion from xbox and thats the Final Fantasy 7 Remake, all other games sony have paid for have been timed exclusives only so far so would that class as exclusion? If so then any timed exclusives that Nintnedo and Microsoft pay for would they also class as exclusion? I mean I'm still waiting for SMT 5 on Playstation, so what's the deal with that game, is that exclusion or exclusivity.

When using both them terms we come to a grey area, Sony saying to Square Enix we want Final Fantasy 16 to be on playstation only, is that exclusion or exclusivity? I can't see the difference, they still both mean xbox won't get the game, but one word sounds worse than the other. Sony fans will say its exclusivity, Xbox fans will say its exclusion, that's the only difference.

@NEStalgia Sorry no links or transcripts, it's just me live blogging here listening to this between working, and I have a feeling every news site will completely miss it. According to the stream it's illegal to record it, but I do know it's being rebroadcast on youtube by a few channels. If it's still up later, I'll try to find it (honestly not an easy task in an 8 hour audio only stream) and clip it.

Back to the present - things got interesting again we've moved off mobile, talking about relationships with Sony, Valve, etc.

The most interesting takeaway to me from the mobile question (more than the lack of profitability) was that there's a push to mobile which we all know and are sort of ignoring - the K in ABK. And that while Phil is the man at Xbox, he does answer to Amy Hood who is steering the division (hopefully) towards profitability, and that is towards mobile which is a gaming sector that is actually growing.

@Kaloudz Yeah I don't think he will go back on his word, can't say the same for whoever replaces him in the future though. Been reading the verge live feed and I've got to say I think microsoft have nailed it in court today with their honest answers which hopefully they keep to going forward. If the FTC still try to block after these few days then it's obvious that they are doing it for their own ego.

@Kaloudz I think the CMA will still want to block but are probably lost for words right now and scrambling around for possible loop holes.

I see some people need a dictionary 😂. You pay a third party so they don't publish games on an specific platform, that's an exclusion deal. You pay a third party to create games exclusively for your platform, that's an exclusivity deal.

@UltimateOtaku91 @Banjo- It really depends what exactly Phil said, that's why I'm hoping to see transcript or audio of that, and yes, it depends on what the contracts actually say. But if there's genuine accusation here, that's the kind of thing they really might go after and subpoena for.

But MS has been a little lose on that topic, so it depends how the wording is phrased. If the contract reads console exclusive, for a fixed time, there's nothing illicit. If the contract literally names one specific platform to exclude, that's many shades of illegal. They can exclude Xbox, Nintendo, and Apple Arcade legally i.e. the only fixed gaming device to have the game. They can't allow any platform except one they're trying to damage.

But it depends on exactly how Phil phrased what he said as to how much smoke might lead to fire here.

@Banjo- "dictionary"
That's the thing though, Sony throws their own development assets into these deals. FFXVI they're handling marketing as though they're the publisher, and marketing in the ultra extreme, for some games possibly including XVI they throw in their mocap studios, sound studios, etc as part of the deal thus acting as "part of development". Is that to work around that difference legally as a loophole? Maybe but they do it and are covering themselves legally by doing so.

@NEStalgia this is his comment according to the verge.

"When a competitor is actively signing third-party games to skip our platform, it became more important to us to secure third-party games on our platform, inclusive of Call of Duty"

@NEStalgia Also il ask you this as you're more knowledgeable on these subjects than me, Does a third party publisher have to ship on multiple consoles? Is it illegal for a third party publisher to only make certain games for a specific platform? For Final Fantasy 16 it was only ever going to be able to run on PS5 or Series S/X so Sony saying don't put this game on xbox would that be the same as saying make it exclusive to us, as all sony would of done is name the only other platform it could possibly go to. Is it illegal to pay publishers for a console exclusive but allow it to still release on PC? Again if not then sony signing deals like that would class as "xbox exclusion" but also not be illegal.

If its not illegal to pay publishers for their games then this exclusion talk is not going to go far as its not illegal. I'm sure if it was then something would of been done about it by now surely, unless its like you said and Sony are helping these publishers with development in some capacity and that is a workaround.

@NEStalgia Why do you need the transcription elsewhere? If it's because you don't trust him, you can do like him and hear the trial with your own ears, right? He posted the question and the reply:

the FTC came back around to something related later and Phil said no, Sony did not pay Square for Final Fantasy exclusivity, and did not pay Bethesda for Ghostwire and Deathloop exclusivity. Sony paid to keep the titles off Xbox. Let that sink in. Sony isn't paying for exclusivity, they are paying to keep titles off Xbox.

Phil swore under oath that Sony paid to keep the titles off Xbox. He doesn't need to read Sony's contracts to know that. If he asks Square Enix about why aren't their games coming to Xbox but are coming to every other platform, Square Enix explains why. Because, there must be a reason, must not? For instance, why is Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster Collection on mobile, Switch, PC and PS5 but not on Xbox? Well, because of an exclusion deal.

Regarding the "timed" and so that you and others are posting, it doesn't change anything. Deals with third parties are timed and they are renewed or not. It doesn't turn an exclusion deal into an exclusive deal.

About your terms jumble, exclusive is for one platform (PS5) and exclusion if for every technically capable platform but Xbox (PS5, PC, Switch and mobile). Sony pays for specifically excluding Xbox, so that is exclusion, not exclusivity. Exclusivity would be one platform only.

He said so loud and clear. He has access to that information since acquiring Zenimax so I don't get why he wouldn't know.

Phil has also said that future Bethesda games may still come to playstation and will be a case by case basis, and he couldn't confirm if Elder Scrolls 6 will be xbox exclusive or not. If it was then surely he would say, this could mean (slim chance) that it will infact be coming to playstation as its an established IP on that platform whilst the new Bethesda games released so far have been new IP's so they were xbox exclusive. Only reason I can see him not saying yet is because of the huge backlash they would get from xbox fans.

@UltimateOtaku91 Thanks. I think that statement is sufficiently vague to mean anything really. He may or may not be referring to general exclusivity deals in a smartly worded sentence. I'm not sure much will come of that investigatively unless MS makes more defined accusations. Though the congresspeople thay were working with could go there.

As for publishers, no they're not required to publish on more than one platform, for legal purposes a vendor. The illegality comes in if one vendor is paying, offering "rebates", manipulating, or coercing via market power to not supply a particular competitor or competitors, however acquiring exclusive rights to distribution is legal. Nintendo was slammed for that in the 90s with their licencing clause that required any game licensed by them to not be made licensable by competitors, determined to be using they're dominant market position to lock out competition from third party producers.

"Console exclusivity" is one of those gray areas. It flies in the face of the spirit of the law but youd be hard pressed to fight it on the letter of the verbiage.

Sony has really slick lawyers so I'd assume they'd have covered the legalese in their contracts. Otoh that's old Sony I don't think Jim and crew are the sharpest tools in the shed and are arrogant. They could have left enough rope. The "its in Japanese" excuse to not submit contracts tells me there's enough to hide that they're worried about and oiling the shredders well.

The fact that they'res prescident with Nintendo in the same industry is significant. Us law is based on case law. Prescident. And there's a very close one already.

@Banjo- Because the exact wording means everything! If it's an explicit claim of a legal no-no that could go somewhere. If it's vague in a way that could mean exclusivity, instead of exclusion specifically it really goes nowhere and I think people are reading more than is useful into it.

Paying for exclusive distribution rights is completely legally ok. Paying to prevent distribution to a competitor means Jim doesn't get to prerecord his next deposition. But the EXACT wording is that matters.

Remember the classic Bill Clinton "that depends on what your definition of "is" is". And his non perjery denial of sex because the act isn't excitedly defined as that. Us court. The EXACT word is everything!

@NEStalgia You replied to yourself just above! Sony doesn't want to show their third-party contracts to the judge. What does that mean? What does mean that the games are all on PS5 and Windows except Final Fantasy XVI that of course will be on Windows soon? When Final Fantasy XVI comes to Windows but not to Xbox it will be another exclusion deal. Those agreements are being renewed in order to keep games off Xbox.

Microsoft have conversations with the publishers, including Square Enix. Square Enix explained to Microsoft why they are not publishing on Xbox. Since Zenimax was acquired, Phil knows 100% sure what happened to Bethesda's games. Phil was asked if Sony paid for exclusivity. Phil answered no, Sony did not pay Square Enix for Final Fantasy exclusivity and did not pay Bethesda for Ghostwire and Deathloop exclusivity. Sony paid to keep the titles off Xbox. In the trial, swearing under oath, I don't know what more evidences you need. The facts and Microsoft are telling exactly the same story. Everything else is Sony fanboyism (not you, you know what I mean).

@Banjo- lol it's hard to keep up!

Yeah it's absolutely shady that Sony is taking an obstructionist route. Obviously it only matters if they get seriously called on something under suspicion but there's definitely more smoke then Canada they're.

That last exchange with Phil you described is definitely pointed though. What's important here is what revelations trigger an investigation into Sony practices and Sony being evasive and obstructionists won't help prevent that.

This isn't CMA. FTC isn't here to protect Sony. They're here for an anti big business agenda. Of they can eat two pheasants with a single bullet they'll go for it. If they lose one pheasant they might go double barrel on the other to bag something to show to their masters.

@NEStalgia Just FYI, that quote from the verge isn't what I'm referring to although it was from around that same time. Sadly the 2 rebroadcasts I was aware of on youtube both ended and didn't keep a recording. Not sure if there will be a court transcript, I'll keep looking for a recording.

@Kaloudz I think it's positive for Microsoft that the judge wants to keep hearing what Phil has to say and that it's negative, very negative, that Jim hasn't shown up. Did he give up yet?

Maybe the FTC just want to be noisy about technology companies and be on the newspapers like some suggested. @Kaloudz So FTC's witness said the opposite of FTC? LOL But isn't Stadia dead, anyway?

@Jenkinss Ohh, interesting! 🤔 You really deserve a lifetime game pass sub for all this! Really curious what the real wording was. We all wanted that stuff outed by the end of this and I'd love if that were the moment it starts getting examined.

@Kaloudz That would have been hilarious, blaming Microsoft for that, too.

Microsoft should def pull cod off playstation now. Sony had their chance. With all the bs Sony pulled, they don't deserve cod anymore. Eu approved the deal before Sony signed it because all the other 10 year deals were enough. Ftc should do the same.

@UltimateOtaku91 @Kaloudz @Banjo- @NEStalgia you guys are some of the best at forum game. I enjoy all of you as close friends. You wisdom, insight, and thoughts of the industry is my favorite. I changed from Green Bandit to HonestHick. Green Bandit is a hard name to try and use and seem subjective on Push and other sites. I know y’all are smart and would have figured it out, but i just wanted to say thanks for being my friends, thanks for your time to the Push and Pure sites and keeping it real and well Honest. Honesty is something that lacks in todays world, i knew i wanted that word in my tag, not saying i won’t change it ever again. I appreciate y’all so much, i appreciate these sites bringing us gaming news to share thoughts and excitement over and i am sorry we all have to scroll so far down to find good comments to read. Please never leave the site. I truly enjoy seeing and hearing from you. 😊

The case showing how clueless the FTC and CMA are - even the judge is cutting FTC questions because they think they are wasting time.

@Kaloudz Thanks buddy and if we don’t get a quake announcement in 2024 i am going to be upset. I see some say Hexen will be the next ID game, but i don’t think so. Xbox needs a pure shooter, ID has shown what they can do with Doom, they could easily do that with Quake. I look forward to what’s to come. I also look forward to a FTC win next week. It is tilting in favor of MS. Once they have the FTC and the EU the CMA will be an easy work around. Which i still think the CMA will largely fall in line with the EU and America. They would look super petty and uninformed otherwise.

@HonestHick Why thank you completely random new member I have never seen here before!

Seriously though, thanks for the kind words! And I agree, honesty is sorely missing in a world that values cleverness and cunning above all else.

@NEStalgia completely random but i just ranked up and won 5 matches in a row on SF6. I really like that game. So much so, i could care less about MK1, Tekken 8 could pull me in. I am practicing as much as i can and still grinding on Diablo 4.

So let me get this straight, this guy was moaning and crying about losing COD, literally making a federal case out of it, and now he is trying to act like he couldn't care less?

@HonestHick nice! I haven't actually started it lol, my backlog is so huge and my joystick is buried in the corner, so I keep putting it off 😂

Tekken is hard to resist though. Deejay being back in sf6 is a huge draw for me because he's the only character I ever got the whole moveset down with and he just works well for me. But I'm kind of a Tekken guy more than sf so that's a little tempting. Though it's more technical and idk if I have the patience for it now lol. At least the xsx version probably won't be a blurry mess like it was for 7 on x1

@JayJ No, that's backward, this was from an email back then it started. This means he never actually had concerns about cod from the start. It was all an act to regulators to use them to prevent competition. Which we all already assumed, but this confirms it in his own writing.

@NEStalgia Tekken is awesome. Tekken Tag on PS2 was one of my favorite games on the console. Outside of Mario 64, i can’t remember a launch game i played more than Tekken Tag. SF6 is growing on me fast, I thought i would have played 4-5 matches here and there to give me a Diablo 4 break, but i am already over 100 matches played online. Plus decent amount in the other modes. I haven’t played Tekken in so long. I have to stink pretty bad at that. I should give DeeJay a try. At the moment i am using my old favorites of Blanka and Guile. Blanka is super underpowered and yet cause I know 80-90% of the move list i am winning more with him. I really need a fighting stick now buddy. 😊

@Kaloudz Same, Doom is a single player game for me. Quake is something i would play 100’s of hours in the online. If i could have a magic wand that was 5 games i want to happen on Xbox. A Quake reboot would be in that 5. Along with a Gears 1-3 collection and Red Dead 1 remake. 😊

@Kaloudz i am a super fan of Red dead series, even tho part 2’s online is so bad and an attempted cash grab. A lot of people forget western movies have some of the biggest fan bases in the world. At one point Japan watched more westerns than parts of America i read in an article. It was so overdue for someone to do a western in video games right. My dad died when i was in my early 20’s from cancer, he was a HUGE western movie fan. Granted I watched all them, but i am not much of a movie fan as i am a gamer. I’m like 85-90% gamer and 10-15% movie fan. So Red Dead kind of has a special place in my heart that can’t really be reviewed or scored as other games. Is that bias and unfair to other games? Maybe, but i respectfully place Red Dead in unfair terms so i don’t discuss the game online much. Unless i am complaining about the online that rockstar butchered. I would buy a red dead 1 remake pretty fast as you can surely see.

@Kaloudz yeah Deadwood was really good and then HBO rushed it to end and didn’t make the true final season. Thank you, yeah it’s always tough to see loved ones go.

@HonestHick Yeah that's the thing with FG, is it's really all about knowing how to use the character more than the char's actual power, and that's the good thing with SF is they keep the moveset consistent from the 90's through today. It's been some years since I've played SF2/4 so I probably forget all of DJ's moves but I used to have it all by heart and he was the only character I could really win with, and his moveset just worked for me better than any other. I could do an inconsistently ok Chun, but she's very technical. A meagerly ok Ryu, or Li, but DJ's moves just clicked for me. Plus he's just a fun character.

@NEStalgia he does seem like a fun character. I agree i win with Blanka he don’t win for me. Meaning he is ranked one of the worse in game at the moment. But because i know how to use him so well i am winning at a 50% rate. Guile is a better character but i am a little slower with his move set and have mistakes so i win at a low 40% win rate with him. SF6 is plain fun, i never thought i would turn it on everyday like i do. As for FF16, i might wait for a price drop. I want to play it, just to see what it’s all about. But i don’t have the time for it at the moment with D4 and SF6. If it hit’s $45 i will snag it and throw it in the backlog.

@Kaloudz Agreed. I really wish Rockstar would get a more consistent team on RDR. I know GTA is the cash cow. I know GTA5 is long in tooth. They need a modern GTA game out. But RDR1 isn’t even on PS5 anymore. RDR2 just needs a 60FPS optimization patch and some minor improvements. Seems to me they want to release a whole new game for RDR2 on next gen instead of a patch. A RDR1 remake could easily hit 30-45 million sales. While i understand GTA can hit 100 million sales. RDR needs its own team. No reason why we don’t have a RDR2 patch for PS5/Series X/S

@HonestHick Yeah, that's where I am with 16. I know curiosity requires I buy it when it's cheap enough. If I managed to be convinced to buy the hot dumpster pile that is Forspoken AND the Deluxe upgrade with DLC for $35+12 I know the right sale will grab me for 16. But I also have to go in knowing what it is and what it isn't, despite what some people say. I still think my biggest struggle is going to be the non-stop movies. The skillup review covered everything I've felt but couldn't word about what bothers me about it, but he's not exaggerating about it beingt 75% cut-scenes, the devs specifically said 15 hours of cut-scenes. 15 HOURS of just watching a movie while playing a game?!?! Ugh! Go go from tolerating to liking to loving that game requires just being a super fan of watching TV/movies I think.

I'll get to it but I have so little patience for watching TV IDK where it'll land in my backlog. Especially with Starfield coming soon. NMS consumes me....so I can only imagine what will happen with that and Starfield together.

RDR2 is dead to me until the fix the flipping HDR! But they'll sell us a director's cut with HDR that should have worked in 2018 and 60fps for $70.

@NEStalgia as much as I wish that wasn’t the case, at this point I’ll pay the $70, just give me the RDR2 experience i want. Then if it’s not too much to bother them can we get RDR1 remake? The game isn’t even on PS consoles no more. It will sell a measly 30-45 million copies. Granted GTA6 will do that in 2 weeks haha

@HonestHick RDR1 is a strange case because it looks so good on Xbox BC that IDK what they could even add in a remake other than PS5 support.

@NEStalgia i sure would like to find out. It was widely leaked it was being worked on and then stopped to make sure GTA6 had more hands on. So i would like to think it still exist’s and after GTA6 we might hear more about it. It was a 360/PS3 game, so physics, textures, better weather and day and night settings, more animals in the open world. Etc etc, but it does look good on Xbox for what it is. The fact it’s not on PS5 is a crime for that player base.

@Kaloudz i played Gun on 360. You will really like the story in RDR1. Playing RDR2 set’s it up perfectly. Can’t wait to see where the story goes and what they do with it. I wish GTA6 well, as i will play it for sure. I haven’t played a GTA in a long time. Not sure the online is the kind of online i care about tho. If GTA6 and Quake reboot launched in the same year. I wouldn’t touch GTA6 online over Quake 4 at all. I would beat the single player and go back to the arena in Quake, and yes me and you always can find a way to sneak in Quake to any thread conversation HAHA!!

@Kaloudz oh right Red Dead Revolver. Man that could be an awesome game with today’s console power. Another game i would like to see on today’s hardware is Dark Watch, that was pretty good also on PS2. Come on Capcom, bring that back.

@Kaloudz take a look. It was very cool for its time. I think you might actually like what you see.