
Update: Microsoft has commented on the decision to block access to Retail Mode emulators in a statement provided to IGN, while also suggesting that rumours of Nintendo being the reason behind the decision aren't accurate:
"The information currently circulating on Twitter is not accurate. Our actions are based on a long standing policy on content distributed to the Store to ensure alignment with our Microsoft Store Polices. Per 10.13.10, Products that emulate a game system or game platform are not allowed on any device family."
Original story: It's very much an open secret that the Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S have the potential to be fantastic emulation machines, but for obvious reasons, Microsoft isn't eager to tell the world about it. Nevertheless, plenty of people have been taking advantage of these capabilities over the past few years.
There are two ways you can access emulators on these consoles, and one of them is simply through the standard Retail Mode. However, as of this week, it looks like Microsoft has put a total stop to this method:
The other method, which involves signing up as a developer and paying a license fee, does appear to still be working for the time being, although obviously taking advantage of this is something you should only do at your own risk.
We wouldn't be surprised if some Xbox users find a way to temporarily get around these blocks, but ultimately it looks like Microsoft is very keen to clamp down on Retail Mode emulation moving forward. Will this extend to Developer Mode eventually as well? We'll have to wait and see.
What are your thoughts on this? Let us know down in the comments below.
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I've played plenty of old NDS Game Boy PSP games through emulation on my phone and PC. As much as I've enjoyed it I can see it's illegal. So it was bound to be stopped at some point.
@BBB The emulators themselves are usually fine legally, it's how you use them.
and this is why i never bothered going down this route.
This is the main reason I purchased an Xbox. I figured they would be smart enough to just ignore it. Welp. Learned my lesson. Back to japan for consoles…
Time to buy a steam deck then!
What? It's legal and it's, honestly, my way to play my Gamecube and Wii games in 4K. What if you set a second console offline? And why Windows yes and Xbox no?
Emulators are not illegal the ROMs you play on them can be though.
The problem here isnt to do with that its unsecured apps running on the xbox ecosystem. I will question why were they allowed store there in the first place if they were not secure
Sad day for sure.
I have been use dev mode, while it's slower it's usually only takes 1-2 mins to go from retail mode to playing a game.
The response in the Twitter thread basically said Nintendo requested they cut off access in retail mode to emulating their games. I don’t know the validity of that email
But it sounds pretty spot on.
I had no clue this could be done in retail mode, but I have not been paying too much attention. I only knew of the dev mode approach.
Extremely lame given the number of hoops you had to even jump through just to get the retail emulation to work.
Still trying to figure out how Microsoft would be any more responsible for an independent party running a home brew emulator on Xbox than they are for people running them on Windows.
This sucks. I thought Microsoft wouldn't bother with it, but at least I still have my emulators set up in dev mode.
@mousieone Apparently it's Nintendo, the one that just shut Wii U and 3DS shops down, the tyrannical company that is constantly requesting taking these emulators down, which is really sad and hypocritical. The fact that a company that owns Windows accepts Nintendo's claims over code that they don't own is almost unbelievable. I used to love Nintendo deeply but Nintendo is worse every single day.
Technical question to anyone who wants to answer. If you have a emulator already installed on your series x, will it still play or is the ban on all aspects of a emulator?
@themightyant
Emulators are often a form of reverse engineering or using code they don't have permission to use.
@ZuneTattooGuy Emulators don’t have any copyrighted code which is why they are perfectly legal.
@Robocrop_Duster Any emulators that you already have installed will have their license revoked upon the next restart. So no, you’re out of luck.
@Angelus3K
If they are so legal why has Nintendo won many court cases against them?
@Banjo- well it’s their legal right. I can’t fault Nintendo for exercising their rights. You can still use dev mode. Plus MS is looking into legal emulation.
I mean it suck’s but it’s not legally wrong.
@mousieone Nintendo doesn't have any rights over Dolphin etc. or do you mean that it's their right to shut the Wii U and 3DS shops down and leave all those games in limbo? The latter, yes.
@ZuneTattooGuy Very simple. They have taken down ROM sites. Not specifically the emulators. Which are LEGAL.
@mousieone It’s not really their legal right. There was no copyrighted or infringing code being held on the Xbox marketplace.
@Angelus3K Thanks for the clarification.
@Angelus3K
Just like Limewire and Bittorrent are legal programs one can download but 99% of their customers use them illegally
@Angelus3K @Banjo- Japanese emulation laws are different than Western emulation laws. And the Series X/S sold everywhere.
@mousieone
Two out the three main companies emulators target are from Japan
It was fun while it lasted! I enjoyed having my AV cabinet streamlined!
Pi to the rescue!
@ZuneTattooGuy so? Emulation isn’t illegal the laws are different.
Either way if MS didn’t think there was something there legally they wouldn’t have taken it off retail. MS has the legal power to go toe to toe with the Ninjas, MS isn’t. And MS left access to it in dev mode. That tells me there was something legally there.
I hate DEV mode. Every single time I switch back and forth it freezes on the bootup screen and I get a heart attack thinking I'm going to brick my console.
That should NOT happen.
@OrfeasDourvas
You are not a Dev so you shouldn't need to be in there to begin with
@mousieone
everything is legal until you are caught
@ZuneTattooGuy How do you know if I'm a dev or not? And tons of people use DEV mode to sideload apps. You don't need to be a developer to access it.
Totally sucks that they didn't care for 2 years and now they do.
That hurt. I have the consoles/computers and the original games, and I very much prefer to play on original hardware but upscaled/widescreen graphics was heaven.
@OrfeasDourvas I get nervous too! Apparently Xbox insider program owners must avoid dev mode completely because of bricking the console.
Once I exited dev mode it deleted all my Xbox games on the internal ssd drive lol I stopped using dev mode for a long time after that... Do you have to pull the plug to reset your console when it freezes? Mine usually stalls for 30 seconds or so on the normal Xbox boot up screen once I have left dev mode and the console reboots. Another thing Dev mode unfortunately deletes screenshots and clears recently looked at items in the store which is annoying.
@MagicCat For me, it almost always leads to a freeze. I usually hold the power button for a few seconds and then it does a little thing where it turns on and off. After that, it usually boots normally but it's too scary every time.
Totally not worth it unless you have a dedicated unit just for DEV mode.
I don't understand how, with all the games coming out, how anyone has time to play old classic games?
Instead of playing old games I've beaten a million times I am more of a fan of playing new indie games that have a retro feel
@OrfeasDourvas So would you recommend getting a second Series X|S? I wonder if they'll do the same to developer mode. It seems unlikely, though.
PS2 emulator in retail mode still works.
@Banjo- I guess it's one of the most cost effective ways to go about it.
I don't think they can alter DEV mode at all but you never know...
For now we know it's safe when retail is and if there ever was a plan to disable it on DEV, wouldn't it be now?
I think you'd be safe with a Series S strictly on DEV mode for emulation.
@OrfeasDourvas Yes, I think so. And the CPU is basically the same, so Series S is good for being in developer mode for emulation.
emulation on the wii is pretty good
@dreadful It cause everyone and their moms kept bring it up. If people left it be and didn’t blast to the world that it was possible… It would have continued to go unnoticed.
I'm glad they do that i don't see the point in buying a series s or x to make it a emulators box of old systems. Goodbye emulation box it was only a gimmick.
@Xiovanni Precisely.
It's always Nintendo when it comes to this sort of thing
@Robocrop_Duster ms disabled the apps remotely
Well that just plain stinks. This was easily one of the best features on Xbox. What a disappointment.
@ZuneTattooGuy
It's not that hard to understand. Some people just like to play the classics every now and then and Xbox proved to be a convenient modern place to do so for many of these titles that otherwise are difficult to play today.
New games are great too but there's nothing wrong with wanting to experience older titles as well.
@Korgon Actually, those "retro indie" games he is referring to are usually rubbish compared to the true classics and, even the ones that are good, are no substitute.
@Banjo-
Agreed. Rarely have I played a "spiritual successor" that has come close to whatever their trying to emulate.
I’ve never used this but after the dismal version of Goldeneye that they chose to release I recently started looking at how to get the XBLA version to run on Series X. Sadly I never got around to giving it a go and it looks like that avenue is now closed off. Don’t get me wrong, I’d more than happily pay for a ‘legal’ release of that game, but I can’t see that ever happening.
@Banjo- As soon as they made those Emu's available in retail mode this was always going to happen.
For all those looking for alternatives. Check out ETAPrime on youtube. If it plays it, he's probably reviewed it. Also look into Launchbox/Bigbox. Best way to experience retro games imo.
@Feffster I agree. I managed to install it on Series X and play the first half in 00 Agent. Actually, I played the three difficulty levels. Rare's remaster is awesome, I hope it's finally released officially because Code Mystics' version for Xbox is awful. I'm super disappointed and I'll have to find another way to finish my playthrough. This remaster shows how good the original game is and I don't think that Code Mystics' version can give the right impression.
@GarbonZoni I may get a Series S just for that.
@Banjo- Agreed. lol at the idea of playing yet another generic "retro indie" as opposed to something as glorious as Super Mario World, Mario 64, or indeed Banjo Kazooie
@Banjo- I recently tried the XBLA version on my SteamDeck, and it's incredible. Basically just the Goldeneye remaster we've always wanted - very true to the source material, but with a slick coat of paint and 60fps. It's excellent, and exactly what should have been released on GamePass.
@Banjo- "Its legal but i'm using it for illegal means" That's basically what you're saying. Here's the thing emulators might be legal but almost everyone using them are using them for the illegal side to them. Its like Torrenting that's actually legal but everyone who does it is doing the illegal side hence why ISP's try to block the sites. I can imagine MS don't want its users pirating games easily on Xbox with it seemingly looking like MS don't care that they do.
I never understood why everyone got so excited by the emulation on the Xbox. They were always going to end the party. It was a carrot to get people to buy the series S and now they’ve slammed the door.
Sony still get hammered for doing similar back with BC stuff. Removing the Linux stuff too.
I use steam deck for my emulation and I’d be gutted if they removed my an ability to do so.
I actually own all the games I emulate but that’s because I collect games.
To the person who said “why do people play old games and not new ones” because many style of games never get new games….
Ssx 3 has no games since even close to be like it.
Wave race GC ditto.
Burnout 3….
Buffy the video game…
Loads of classic monster jam games…
James Bond games…
Def Jam…
Not everyone plays 16 bit games and many of the ps2/GC era classic are simply not made any more.
I’d take most of those games over modern online monsters. Fun “arcade” style games don’t exist. When they do they are online only. Back then these games had hours and hours of solo player content. Many have never been close to being surpassed 3 gens on.
@WallyWest Why do you say that I'm using them for illegal purposes when I've explained that I ripped my own Gamecube and Wii discs?
@Raffles Absolutely! Rare's remaster is awesome, i hope that it gets released officially someday. On the other topic, it's like those people think that if the technology is emulated, the game is as good. Nope, we have had many retro games emulating older technologies but what matters is the games themselves and if they aren't good, they aren't good, no matter if they look 16-bit, 32-bit or 64-bit. Actually, emulating old technologies is sometimes just an excuse to create poor graphics and mediocre gameplay on a modern engine.
As a person, who does not have any xbox series console (I got only "xbox one s" , "xbox 360" and decent pc) I do hope that microsoft may stop shooting itself in the foot...
Emulation freedom was (one of the main) the reason for milions of gamers to chose microsoft over sony.
I hope wrong decision will be taken back in future...
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I wonder if it was for trying to impress regulators and/or court members of the merge?
Millions of gamers chose Xbox for emulation is quite a reach. I think most chose it because of Gamepass.
It's fair enough what MS have done. Goes against their policies and the vast majority will use illegal roms. PC is still the defacto emulation platform if you're serious about it rather than faffing about with the Series X. Or get a Steam deck or pocket retroid or similar.
...which will end up gathering dust once you realise most of those games you loved ain't as good as you thought once the nostalgia wears off.
@Banjo- Nintendo was never a lovable company. We loved Nintendo because we loved their content and hardware risks, and we never knew better back in the pre-internet days that the company was rotten to the core in the 80's perked up with Iwata in the 00's, and is now back to it's origins.
RE the legality though, on thing to keep in mind is a lot depends on jurisdiction, IDK if UK has anything similar (but I'd be surprised if they didn't) but the US has the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (raises middle finger) made in the late 90's by a technology illiterate government clueless about anything tech just signing off on whatever the at the time big tech companies (which back then mainly meant MS and a burgeoning Google), which makes reverse engineering or decrypting anything legal. That means NES, SNES, GB, GBA, N64 ROMs, PS1/Saturn ISOs are legal to rip if you own the license. Everything after that (PS2, Wii, GCN) are not as they are encrypted, meaning the decryption of them to execute them is illegal.
That's probably also the legality in question with the EMUs. If any are using actual system boot roms, or are doing the decrypting of an ISO/ROM they're automatically illegal code in the US technically.
I don't actually do emu....I just bought a Retroid for remote play/cloud, and it's kind of eye opening just how casual so many people are about all this emulation, where there's whole hardware ecosystems revolving mostly around just playing pirated games from decades past.... PC emu never really made my sympathize with the industry but seeing how there's a whole hardware INDUSTRY around devices to do nothing but play pirated old games, makes me kind of realize Nintendo and friends have a slight point. It's not so much about even the old games being stolen, it's about how its taking customers of modern games and giving them a free alternate by just copying their previous stuff. They kind of do have a point, this isn't like running ZSNES in 1998 anymore, it's BUSINESS, running on copying someone else's stuff from 30 years ago.
Still, I didn't know Xbox even did emus like this in retail, and it sounds like it would have been a shaky oversight from the start. It doesn't sound like the best way to do emu, when there's a huge emu scene on android, windows and IOS already, Steam Deck, any old laptop or tablet or phone, or the dedicated devices with TV out like Retroid sounds like a better route if you're big into emu.
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