Xbox's Forza Motorsport 'Probably' Delayed Into Second Half Of 2023

Yeah this is certain after the xbox direct "coming 2023". I think Forza and Starfield Will both release in the second half.

But tbh at this point it's fine. They've already released HiFi Rush which the community is loving. Plus Redfall releases in May and looks fantastic. So that's still 4 very promising and potentially high quality first party games. You can also see the Bethesda acquisition paying off, that's 3 games from them this year.

I thought so too but in the roadmap (which seems chronologic) it is posted between RedFall (May 2nd) and Starfield (First half 23)

https://images.purexbox.com/f270ce526138c/heres-a-look-at-the-updated-xbox-game-studios-roadmap-for-2023-and-beyond-2.large.jpg

if it needs time it needs it.

however its poor form that its looking like 2 of 3 are going to be delayed.

@Lupaie79 This is a fan-made roadmap aimed at giving us a rough idea of the schedule! MS hasn't provided any sort of official roadmap.
Hopefully we get Forza & Starfield dates soon.

@Lupaie79 starfield highly likely to be delayed too, so it would still fall between the two.

I just hope they find the time to make a few more courses - only 20 is a bit disappointing to me.
It would be nice if it were end of summer, but I'd guess end of year now.
What happened to only teasing games which would be out within 6 months?

Regardless, this looks to be an exceptional title.

@Titntin 20 'environments' does not mean just 20 courses as those 'environments' can have different track layouts. They talked about Laguna Seca for example and the 'old' course that has long since gone, but can now be 'driven' in Forza because they can 'digitally' recreate that old layout. Therefore you could have 4 or 5 'different' courses per 'environment'. All it means is that they can create a 'single' environment, all the detail etc and have 'multiple' track layouts - inc driving them all in the reverse direction. I can't remember how many 'different' courses Maple Valley offered in 'previous' games but there were quite a few different layouts varying in length.

These are also 'not' static courses either as you have dynamic time of day and dynamic weather. So whether you are driving on a hot sunny afternoon or cold damp night-time, the track should look and feel quite different even if you are driving exactly the same car, same tyres etc.

So I wouldn't be too concerned with the number of environments just yet, that isn't an indication of the number of 'courses' you could potentially see - even if they are all based at the 'same' Race Track, same 'environment'...

I do wonder if all these delays to xbox games especially this, Fable and Starfield are down to the devs struggling to get the games working on the series S on time. I know the series S is capable but maybe its just taking devs longer to get it to a state that's acceptable.

First Starfield, now Forza. Sign of things to come!!?? You watch, Xbox 2023 will be like 2022!!! 2 exclusives an everyone saying 2024!!!! 2024 will be Xbox year!!! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@BAMozzy Thanks for your clarification. I certainly hope each environment has multiple courses, as having plenty of circuits to race is key to long term enjoyment of any racing sim.

I appreciate dynamic weather etc, but that's not enough to claim its a new course, its just dynamic weather and lighting. If that's the criteria, then this and GT7 would both have infinite tracks!
I was hoping for a bit more detail than 'environments'.
GT7 has 34 Locations / 42 Tracks / 97 Layouts.
I'd like to see similar figures for forza instead of just the 20 locations figure.

Regardless, it did look great eh?

@Sebatrox I feel bad. I meant to Play Grid Legends..

Was it good - worth my time? Thanks for the info

All of the others games except Forza Motorsport had release dates so it was kind of obvious. It's a shame honestly but I reckon if Starfield still releases in the first half of 2023, it will at least remove some of the sting from the Forza Delay.

Delay after delay after delay. and everyone just swallows it up? I'm not surprised they are delaying so much if they don't receive any criticism from fans for it.
I think at the very least Microsoft should simply shut up with its games announcements until it's 100% certain when they can launch it. But then people will probably complain Xbox has no games...

@BBB Yes, they aren't exactly honest are they over it, instead it's a insider hearing about it in the grape vine..

I think honesty from Microsoft would go a long way at this point. But then they may be worried about share prices being impacted.

@UltimateOtaku91 if that is the case they need to release on Series X than Series S when it is ready. I want a AAA Xbox 1st party title to pay sometime this generation. This Nov will be 3 years it has been out and all we have is a bunch of indies.

@S1ayeR74
I don't think fans are just swallowing it up. Everyone i am sure are disappointed. But what do you want people to do? The only thing i can say is that if delayed to second half of the year then it had better not have game breaking bugs and the quality had better be high. That would concern me much more. We have seen truly nextgen games delayed over and over again this past two years. This is nothing new.

@Titntin I know Dynamic weather doesn't make a 'new' track layout, but it does change the way you can drive that track and different times of day alter the way the track looks too.

Most 'racing' games tend to have very 'static' tracks - the only way to really change up the way each track 'drives' is by switching to different car categories because the track is 'always' the same time of day and weather. But racing at 'night' for example does look and feel different to racing the same track in the daytime. It may not be a 'different' layout, but its a different looking 'backdrop' and lighting is very different too creating a 'different' race experience.

You could race the 'same' course in the 'same' car at different times of the day and different weather conditions that would change how the track 'feels' to drive, how the grip changes, how it 'rubbers in' etc as well as how the course 'looks', where the Sun is 'blinding' or the track is very 'dark', where it maybe 'damp' or dry etc...

It may not have as many 'unique' courses as some at Launch, but each may offer more variations of conditions that 'change' your approach to each race. Other games, each course is pretty much the 'same' every time you race it, but here, you could race the same 'layout' and have very different looking/feeling track to race around...

@BAMozzy Thanks for this. I'm already playing GT7, and others, with dynamic weather and different times of day, so I'm not unaware of how the changes affect driving, and I fully agree that they can change the experience of each track. Sticking with GT7 (closest comparator) you can change the time of day and weather conditions for each track, and also choose if the weather changes conditions during racing, such as starting in the rain but becoming sunny and drying out. So we can already experience these differences, only over more tracks. Motorsport is not offering something new with this, or 'more variations of conditions' as you have suggested.
Much as I appreciate dynamic day night and weather, its not nearly as different or interesting as driving a completely different track, at least not to me, which is why I'm more interested in getting plenty of track variety.
In this instance less is definitely not more, which is why I'd like to know how many tracks we will get.

I'm not disparaging the game which I expect to be brilliant, I'm just surprised they didnt give us such an important metric.

Disappointing but I have no doubt it'll be worth the wait. Definitely my most anticipated of the year thus far

@Sebatrox Thanks for more info - you've sold me on it! Sadly, I'm a big fan of gyro steering, so I cant play it on GP and will need to pick it up on PS instead. I need to wait for a sale
I'm gutted Xbox doesn't have a gyro.

@Kezelpaso oh dang you’re right. I really thought it was an original

@grumpypotato Not sure what that means tbh!
At least your not eating chips, which would surely make you a cannibal )

@grumpypotato Fantastic, learn something new every day. I had no idea a 'gyro' could be a 'wrap'!
I'm in the UK and several decades ago a 'gyro' was the money order you used to receive if you were receiving state benefits....

@NeoRatt This is new for a games console generation, because Microsoft has promised so much already, and failed to deliver on most of it. Also their is plenty fans can do, stop paying Microsoft money for one, express complaints on Twitter etc directly to Microsoft. Don’t roll over and take it claiming you can’t do anything about it, that’s why they get away with it.

I think it’s time Microsoft were drawn in their delays, and mismanagement looking at Halo. They need to do better and know how to, otherwise they’ll get no where again this gen. Sony has stuck to its same formula and has sold consoles and got its games out, Microsoft has changed a lot this time claiming it’ll mean more and better games, but we’ve instead had lots and lots of delays.

@themightyant There is a small cushion. They still have another DLC coming for FH5 before then anyways. I know they aren't the same, but after seeing the Halo disaster, I hope they take their times with this.

Looks spectacular, so no problem waiting a little longer.

@BAMozzy

It is still the same environment. FM7 has 30 different environments and GT7 has 34 environments Turn 10 could have done more in 6 years.

@Kohaku FM7 had 30 cause it was built on the foundation of FM5 and 6. This FM seems to be a reboot of franchise so they are basically starting completely fresh, so they don’t have that foundation especially since they are adding Ray Tracing which means everything has to be rebuilt… GT7 biggest criticism was that it was just GTSport with some fresh paint wasn’t something that really took advantage of the PS5.

@themightyant Exactomendo. That show real from 2020 was it? Showing all these games and they are either delayed or still in development.

Need anybody think to bring some cheese ?

I not disappointed at all, because I was spot on and had that expectation since last June 2022
Redfall before June 2023
Forza September 2023
Starfield November 2023
And it makes business sense, don’t forget there are very good third party multi-platform games that release as well.

Sadly not on xbox 1.

@S1ayeR74
I don't give MS much money right now because they haven't shipped a lot of new games. Whining on Twitter accomplishes nothing for anyone.

As for Sony, during covid they delivered a bunch of games based on existing game engines. all they really did was slightly improve the engines for Horizon, GoW, GT, and Spider-man. And even Horizon, GT, and GoW were delayed at least once. Spider-man MM wasn't even a full length experience. So, ya, it becomes easy to deliver on time. Studios like Naughty Dog Sucker Punch are probably working on completely new stuff. Where have they been? Very Quiet.

And look at third parties too.... Almost every completely new third party AAA game in the past 2+ years has seen one or more major delays. This is not new to anyone.

That said I do agree MS has been worse then almost all others. But, there is a reality out there that this is a norm right now through the whole industry.

@NeoRatt Whilst Sony may have used old engines, so have others still using UE4, still Insomniac managed to make SS with ray tracing.
The issue with MS is over promising, showing all tense show reels with games that are still to appear 3 years later.

@S1ayeR74
The UE4 Engine is a multi-purpose games engine unlike the engine for Horizon, Spider-man, and God of War which is a specific purpose game engine. They should not be compared to each other.

The Horizon engine was probably expanded upon to do Forbidden West for sure. But, the scope of that expansion is not the same as starting a new game from scratch in UE. That is an apples to oranges comparison.

As for ray tracing in Spider-man... You do realize that ray tracing is a standard function of the video processors right? All they have to do is turn it on. The hard part about ray tracing is its processing cost on the video processor. If the game is already taxing on a video processor ray tracing is a lot of effort, but if it is not then it wouldn't be. Spider-man probably taxed older video cards in the previous gen, but with the new console processors, more memory, and higher end video processing the Spider-man engine probably had no problem handling ray tracing.

Also, if Sony studios are so great then why has Twisted Metal and Naughty Dog not released or even showed a new game this generation yet? I would bet both ventured into a completely new territory this time and are building game engines from the ground up.

@NeoRatt So the games engine doesn't do anything for ray tracing. Hmm I believe games engines would show otherwise to that opinion of yours. UE5 being one example. I think you'll find it's not as easy as just 'turning it on'. That's a pure over simplification and ignoring facts to promote a narrative.
Regardless Sony has released several games whilst Microsoft has released 2 big ones I can recall and nothing in 2022. I don't own a PS5 and have currently no wish to, I'm resisting that for now, and Sony has had the same challenges with Covid etc. MS needs to start delivering in its games it showcased 3 years ago was it, and sort out its delays.
Anyway I look forward to MS 'continuing' delivering in its promises of big first party games.

@S1ayeR74
Here is a video 10 months ago on how to turn on ray tracing for Witcher 3 on PC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=desW8C3Rc1M

proving this is functionality available in the video cards for free.

Sony has released more games then MS this generation, but if you look at both company's first party releases there is not much difference between the number of games and their ratings on Metacritic. The real difference between the two companies is numbers of remakes and remasters. While Sony has released just as many remakes and remasters as new games, MS has released no remakes or remasters yet this generation.