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"immersive 3D audio" on Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S specifically
I thought 3d audio was a ps5 feature

@Would_you_kindly You thought 3D Audio was a PS5 exclusive feature?!

@Rafie yeah didn't see it mentioned when the series consoles were revealed

@Would_you_kindly I found it really odd that Sony leaned into 3D Audio on PS5 like it was a new and ground-breaking console feature... when even the XB1 VCR offers three types of it! And has for years!

But your comment is an example of how well their marketing has worked on people.

The game was already good on switch it will be even better on series x and s no matter what .

@JetmanUK I'd never heard of it before got a ps5 a few weeks ago & the 3d audio is really cool can tell the difference through my standard TV speakers

@Would_you_kindly
Well like I said Sony have done a good job on marketing their audio features, Xbox a bad job.

XB1 and Series consoles support the following-

For headphones:
Windows Sonic
Dolby Atmos
DTS X
(No proprietary headphone hardware required either!)

For home cinema:
Dolby
DTS
(Numerous versions of the above, plus other modes too).

Xbox is king when it comes to audio, and has been for two generations now, it's just that no one talks about it, or even seems to know. Really weird.

@Would_you_kindly 3D audio has been included with every console since the 360 and PS3. PC had it even further back.

Even the oriognal Xbox had 3D audio if you had the AV cable with SPDIF out.

@InterceptorAlpha Yeah and even further back, Gamecube/XB/PS2.
I think it really came to the forefront more in the XB1 generation with games supporting truly impressive and immersive audio like Atmos, but you are right, it's an old feature.

@JetmanUK Sony claimed the PS5 would support HRTF audio for the headsets (and later for speakers, allegedly). This is works based off the user's head and ear dimensions (Head-related Transfer function). Your head would have to be "modeled' sonically for it to work properly.

I ordered a headset like this about 5 years ago and it was ultimately never released. The product started as a kickstarter and was called "Ossic X," I believe. Could be only the top people in the kickstarter ever received units.

@theduckofdeath I remember this.

Totally off topic, your tag is similar to a nickname I was briefly given in very poor taste years ago. Haha I will leave that there.

@JetmanUK
It’s simple, Sony know how to PR and advertise and make a mountain out of something simple or inferior. To sell their products.
Sony have done this for decades but it caught up with them in TV world which dropped them to third place behind Samsung and LG.

Unfortunately Microsoft don’t seem to advertise Xbox much, even if it’s really good.

There’s a difference between Sony 3D audio and Xbox. PS5 does audio voodoo basically to fool your ears into hearing virtual surround. It does this with just two TV speakers. That’s how I play my series X on my Sony OLED which has the same tech and it’s very cool. But most consoles have have 3D sound of some description through regular headphones for years.

@JetmanUK @Would_you_kindly I always wondered who those marketing gimmicks work on. Now I know TV and audio companies do that all the time, especially Sony, where every "feature" they have, that's normal, is given some trademark name and advertised as unique, when it's a standard feature on every device. Dolby Pro Logic II is the original 3D surround Sound tech and it's been around since the 90's, the surround sound was encoded in the stereo channels. Then DTS. And fancy DSPs have been around in audio separates and Winamp plugins since at least '97. Sound Blaster focused on their version of PC games from the late 90's to late '00.s Consoles have all had it, even NINTENDO for generations. Sony marketed it as a feature of their headphones rather than console for PS4, then made it a big deal on PS5 (even though it didn't support it through HDMI out, only through headphone controller out, until I want to say a firmware update a year in or so.

XB as Jetman said, has had multiple DSPs available on-console since X1 and the basic one since 360. Though Atmos is a plugin you buy on X1...I THINK they included it for free on XSX, but you still have to download the Dolby Atmos app to set it up. It's only a couple dollars/pounds either way. It's all just different specialization DSPs for the audio engine. (Except games that actually have Dolby Atmos baked in. Assassin's Creed Origins I know does, it's not a huge list of games but some are actually sound engineered specifically for Atmos surround.)

@Dezzy70 Oh, Samsung and LG are no better, that's not what dropped them to third place, absurd prices and outdated tech is what did that.

@Scenes the stereo pseudo-surround thing isn't new or uncommon, but usually it's present on the audio product, not the playback transport. I suppose Sony's somewhat unique putting it on console, but that feature is usually already available on the TV, soundbar AVR you're using to playback anyway, and it's better there since it's calibrated for the speaker cones themselves.

@NEStalgia
That is sort of what I meant in TV world.
They make a mountain out of something that is simple and price it high and it’s nothing special or even inferior.

@Scenes Incorrect. This has been a feature as far back as the 360 for 3D headphone. The Xbox One and later specifically have options for your to turn on 3D headphone. Again, this is not new. Even my Switch can do it.

@Dezzy70 To be fair, the playing field is even, Microsoft does the same thing non-stop with special proprietary names for completely normal things in the software world. They're just better at convincing people it's ACTUALLY something unique and innovative by implementing it in some bespoke way

@uptownsoul It's still more than double the performance of the NSW....that costs more....

@Would_you_kindly 3d audio was a thing since windows sonic for headphones on the xbox one. Sony’s “3d audio” is just marketing for using that same technology

@NEStalgia
Well I’m enjoying the quick resume feature
Got 4 games on the go currently and jump start back in seconds were I left off.

@themightyant
This audio is all tricks and just changing sounds and frequencies.
You can’t beat a Dolby Atmos true set up or Dolby Digital with all the real speakers, especially behind you, the rear set of speakers.
I have this set up for series x and nothing compares as it is real not fake rubbish.
Same goes with movies.
Have tired all the fake ones that are supposed to give you that but they just naff.

@themightyant Hilariously, when I played Returnal, this was not even a feature, because they had failed at that point to roll out the firmware that actually allowed it to work via HDMI, so it only mattered via plugging headphones into the controller, which I do not do, so for early adopters of the only game that uses it, most of them couldn't use the feature

@Dezzy70 I technically agree about real speakers, BUT, there's also complexity to potential. You only have two earholes, you hear everything through two speakers anyway. It's the HRTF mentioned above, how sound from different directions is frequency and latency adjusted by the room treatments and the shape of your ear/head that your brain interprets as different locations and positions. Perfect would require one of those molded headsets that were discussed above, but while "fake" 3D audio isn't quite there yet, ultimately, "fake" and "actual multipoint audio" aren't actually different if theoretically processed correctly so it enters our organic STEREO microphones with the correctly adjusted and delayed frequencies. The only thing multiple speakers actually do is skip having to know how to process that, and let noggins do it in analog. Eventually the "fake" will be good enough to not matter. Or we'll evolve to grow more earholes to meet our evolutionary necessities of media consumption.

@uptownsoul True, but they expect it of Steam Deck and "gaming laptops" so same difference, really.

@themightyant It's funny that you mention a dedicated audio chip. Last gen Xbox One had a dedicated audio chip. It was supposed to make the load on the CPU lighter, which may have made a performance difference... if Xbox was the lead platform... which was almost never the case.

@uptownsoul 6-8 may be an overstatement, but I don't think it's expected to be a 2 year disposable toy either, and frankly there's no reason t believe 6 years from now aaa's won't run on it. Games are more scalable than ever, by design, and, heck, today's biggest games cost more than is realistic to make, and don't even use the current hardware.

@themightyant
The full speaker set up is just as amazing with the PS5 as well as Series x.
The Switch is another matter it’s a case of put rubbish in you get rubbish out when it comes to full stage sound quality.

@NEStalgia you’re getting confused. Can you point me to other TVs that through the use of tv stereo speakers alone give the same quality virtual surround effect that Sony pioneered in their TVs and than through PS5 adds that capability to any TV? It’s really cool. You may not like it. But be great if Xbox had something similar. I get this is an Xbox site and yah boo PlayStation but credit where credit is due. It’s cool.

@InterceptorAlpha you’re wrong. You’re talking about headphones. I’m talking about no headphones with the same effect coming from your TV speakers that anyone in the room can hear without wearing headphones. Xbox does not have this. Neither does switch.

Xbox is really impressive regarding audio, Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos on top of many formats with Windows Sonic and Dolby for Headphones as headphones options. Also, Xbox was the first console to support VRR, Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos. PS5's 3D Audio was clever marketing just like when Sony marketed peak CPU and GPU figures when they know that the PS5 CPU throttles the GPU and vice versa, they can't reach peak figures at the same time, therefore the marketed TFLOPS were a scam since it couldn't be possible unless the CPU hadn't anything to work on. Also, like Dezzy70 said, nothing matches a real setup, even if it's just Dolby Surround 5.1 but a real Dolby Atmos setup is even better because of the physical speakers and the progression among them. It's technically impossible for a virtual setup to be better than a physical setup with rear speakers.

Back on topic, I honestly find it harder and harder to play games on Switch instead of Series X, even first-party games struggle on Switch and most of the Nintendo magic that I love has been lost over the years, with many of the franchises in a coma, anyway.

@Scenes You're talking about generic virtual surround sound.

Yes they both do it. You just set the console to surround sound. Man Sony's marketing be getting people confused again.

@Scenes Xbox supports Dolby Atmos physically (complete speakers setup), virtually (TVs and soundbars that support Dolby Atmos) and on headphones. Dolby Atmos is, according to most experts, the best 3D sound system.

@Savage_Joe I knew there were special headphones with 3d audio but I'd never heard of something making standard stereo speakers use it I guess that was just some clever marketing

@themightyant yeah I remember now they talked about the dedicated audio chip when they did the Dev rundown & how it frees up resources by doing all the audio stuff directly from it

@Scenes it's not a console war thing. It's literally a common feature on many tvs for many years under many manufacturer specific. It's just digital processing. Some sound bars do have multiple drivers pointed strategically to bounce sound around. But that tech goes back to the Bose 901 from the 60s. Dolby Pro Logic also did that in the 90s. Anything saying it's "pioneering" is marketing. Not just Sony. Samsung is just as bad.

@Would_you_kindly there's no such thing as 3d headphones other then ones with the processing built in instead of in the source (console, receiver etc.)

There were some pc competitive gamer cans years back that bad multiple drivers in each cup for directionality. You plugged them into the analog 5.1 outputs on a sound card. It was cool but gimmicky. The sound was massively exaggerated and poor quality but it was loved by eSports gamers to increase kills.

@NEStalgia what about the 3d pulse wireless headset if that doesn't have 3d audio then it's blatant false advertising lol

@Would_you_kindly It does, but it just has the 3d processor inside because the PS4 itself doesn't (in hardware or software). But PSVR does have it onboard and thus doesn't need the external processing in the pulse when playing vr, all audio in psvr uses the onboard 3d.

@InterceptorAlpha I don’t get what’s so hard to understand? If I play a game on Xbox through a regular TV. The sound that comes out the TV speakers is stereo. It’s not virtual surround. Whereas if you play the same game on PS5 the TV speakers become virtual surround. The Xbox does not do that. It can do that with headphones but not regular stereo speakers. Show me where the Xbox can do that?

@Banjo- it does. But the games have to support Dolby atmos of which there aren’t that many and you have to have an atmos compatible set up or atmos sound bar.

It doesn’t turn regular the regular stero speakers in any TV into virtual surround. PS5 does that. It’s cool. It would be great if Xbox did that some day. But right now it doesn’t.

FINALLY! Excited to see this coming to Xbox! Y'all will love it. It's a great game. I still have a sealed copy on Switch so guess it'll stay sealed now

I can't wait to play this game. I never picked it up for the switch, but I can see myself spending many, many fun hours with this MHR on gamepass.

Will be enjoying it on my 65" LG C2 !!