Help me, pX Community, for I am confused.
I've been trying to work out why Xbox fans would boycott a video game that they want (not that they actually will, given that it's all talk and standard internet rage and we LOVE looking for things to be outraged about now) because it's coming out on another platform as well as the originally announced platform. Also, why they'd get angry enough to sling personal insults my way because of it when I'm on their team. I don't care about the insults and threats - I've written about games for years so somewhat sadly, I'm like Teflon when it comes to that trash - but I'm a bit puzzled by the point of it all.
Just a week ago, they were hyped up, psyched up and ready for wildin' with Remedy's new game. They've frothed at the mouth and smashed controllers to bits in excitement with every new screenshot and even the slimmest sliver of new information about Quantum Break. They put all their stock in the game - usually ignoring the waves of quality games that are being released each week because they're indie titles and obviously can't possibly be good, of course – and then as soon as Microsoft says "oh, and by the way, Windows 10 gamers will be able to play Quantum Break too" they throw a hissy fit and fire up the boycott machine.
For all four people who do eventually pointlessly boycott the game, I admire your will. For the rest of the people who are starting petitions, firing out death threats, and otherwise acting like absolute toolbags…don't let the door tan your arse on the way out. You identify as "gamer" and every tweet you post ends with "#XboxFamily" (as if that means something) and then when a platform holder tries to make more money that'll be poured into the industry AT NO EXPENSE TO YOURSELF, you start crying and make us all look bad.
Nothing has changed for you. No. Nothing. No…I mean it. Really. No. No. Shut up. No. Silence! No. OK, ENOUGH.
Seriously, nothing has changed for you. The game you wanted to play is still coming out for a console that you own. Well alright, something has changed. You now get a free copy of the Windows 10 version of the game to play if you want to. Poor you. The end. Right? Only, it isn't the end. Why? Well, it seems that these people are in the business of constructing strawmen to cover their incredibly obvious agenda, which isn't as hidden as they think.
"The Timing Annoys Me"
The main complaint coming at the Xbox management team says that the timing of the announcement is the problem. The person complaining wouldn't have purchased an Xbox One if he or she knew the game was coming out on Windows 10. It's a fair point.
A fair point, of course, if we ignore the obvious. This specific complaint seems to be coming from people who own other Xbox One games and play them. A quick look at their Twitter accounts shows stacks of annoying Raptr auto-tweets and TrueAchievements updates about their Xbox One games. If we ignore that, I still have a question, and that question is: Why would you buy an Xbox One months before the "only" game you want to play on it comes out, when the prices of games consoles fluctuate so frequently?
If you bought the Xbox One at Christmas, chances are you'd be able to save a few bucks if you'd just waited until the game launched in April. After all, if the argument is to hold water, these people can't have had any enjoyment out of the console so far and indeed purchased it with no exclusive games. Who genuinely keeps a new console in their house for four months until the one game they want to play on it comes out, and does absolutely nothing else with it during that time?
Get real.
"PC Players Get Xbox Live For Free"
Another of the arguments, it seems, is that PC owners will get access to Xbox Live features for free while Xbox One owners have to pay. I can see that argument, if the only feature of Xbox Live that you use is multiplayer gaming and the only game you play is one of the ones that are in the spotlight.
However, if you've played or play a single one of the 100 (102 as of Tuesday) Games with Gold offerings that have been provided since the scheme launched, then the argument fails. Although the games are perceived to be free by some (such as myself, since I wasn't charged any more for the subscription and games just started being added for nothing) they actually aren't. Your Xbox Live subscription provides you with continued access to those games. If you take part in any of the Gold Play Days events where you can download a full title and play it for a weekend, the argument fails. If you purchase a game at 80% off because you have an Xbox Live Gold subscription and fancy something in the Deals with Gold weekly list, the argument fails. Game Preview trials are only available to Xbox Live Gold subscribers too, so if you've trialled Elite: Dangerous, Sheltered, or any of the other games on the service, the argument fails. Also, the argument fails if you enjoy playing your friends online in any of the 275 or so Xbox One titles currently on release around the world that aren't included in this new wave of Xbox One/Windows 10 releases. Play Forza Motorsport 6 against your buddies? Windows 10 gamers can't. How about Halo 5: Guardians? Again, Windows 10 gamers can't. Not only that, but they won't be able to play those games in future (most likely) despite the fact that Quantum Break is coming to Windows 10.
Plus, who cares? The price of Xbox Live hasn't gone up for Xbox One owners. I bought Sonic 3 on the Sega Megadrive back in 1995 for £50. My friend missed out at that time, and downloaded it over a decade later to play on Xbox 360 for less than a tenth of that. What my friend paid for a game did not affect my enjoyment of it one iota. The fact that he now owned the game ENHANCED my enjoyment of it in fact, because we could have a conversation about it. The same will happen for me with Quantum Break. I'm not much of a PC gamer, but I'll chat about it with my friends who are. Enhanced enjoyment, because I love gaming and talking about gaming, and I still only pay what I was expecting to pay anyway.
"Microsoft Are Abandoning the Xbox One"
The concerns for the future of the console and Microsoft's focus on it are pretty misguided, too, mainly for the reasons in the Xbox Live complaint.
PC owners don't pay for Xbox Live online play. Xbox One owners do. Xbox Live makes Microsoft a LOT of money. So, why would Microsoft intentionally screw over 19 million Xbox One owners who potentially (not all of them subscribe to Xbox Live Gold, of course) could be paying them on a monthly basis for a service that costs the company a fraction of the sale price and which only incurs new development costs if they decide to add new features? Think about it.
On top of that, there are already a LOT of Windows 10 PCs out there. 19 million people own Xbox One consoles. Windows 10 is installed on 200 million devices as of January 2016. Of course, not all of those machines will be suitable for playing Quantum Break on, but you have to think that at the absolute minimum, Microsoft has just quadrupled the potential player base for the game. And when a less-than-hardcore PC player spins up the game, enjoys it, and fancies playing through it on their couch, what do you think they'll do? Move the PC across or into the lounge? Run a massively long cable to the TV and hope the controller has enough range? Buy a new PC to fit next to the TV? Or will they at the very least consider purchasing an Xbox One? That consideration - no matter how fleeting it may be - is worth a lot of money to Microsoft in the long run, and it costs them very little.
Not only that, but by launching it for Windows 10, they're encouraging uptake of their latest operating system. There are so many upsides for Microsoft with absolutely no real downsides for Xbox One gamers that it just beggar's belief that people can't see it.
It's smart business.
So, what's the real reason for the outrage?
Well, if you haven't worked it out, the anger, the rage, the balled-up fists and wailing, whiny, impotent Tweets all come down to one thing.
Lists.
The ragers want a list of exclusive titles to lord over their PlayStation 4-owning friends (and people they've never met who dare to say something positive about a PlayStation 4 game online) and with Microsoft's announcement, that list becomes shorter in their eyes. Full exclusives become console exclusives. PlayStation 4 fanboys get the idea that their console of choice has suddenly seen an increase in perceived value and Xbox One fanboys suddenly don't have "LOOK AT OUR EXCLUSIVES" to throw back at them.
They can dress it up all they want, but those are the brass tacks of the situation.
For gamers..."true" gamers..."hardcore" gamers (not the people that claim to be those things at every possible turn, but the people who are those things and shut up about it because they're - y'know - playing and discussing games) the game is the important thing, no matter where you play it or who else has access to it. I must have misunderstood. Is it just me that wants to share this superb entertainment medium with as many people as possible? If more people can play a game that looks like it'll be great, that's fantastic, surely? That's more money for the publisher and the developer and a greater chance that they'll make sequels and new shiny things, right? Apparently not.
Gaming isn't about who "wins" and who "loses" every month in the NPD race. It isn't about who paid the least money. It isn't about who gets the best games every month as part of their subscription, nor whether or not you declare yourself to be an "Xbox Loyalist" or constantly declare how "proud" you are to be an Xbox owner or something equally as tragic. On that note, pride is for achievements, your family, and your country. Owning an Xbox One is not an achievement. If it is, then I'm a proud Tassimo owner, a Parker loyalist when it comes to pens and God help anyone that buys me a branded extension cord because I'm in the #UnbrandedExtensionCordFamily. Neither is gaming about whether every tweet you send copies in @XboxP3, @AaronGreenberg and the general Xbox account as if you're desperately hoping for a badge or other tchotchke of recognition for spending money on a product from a multi-billion dollar corporation. They care about you insomuch that you're one of 19 million or so people who bought a product that they produce. If you have some misguided idea that everyone at the company is suddenly your best friend because of that and that every decision they make should be run past you, then you genuinely need assistance because you're a danger to yourself.
Microsoft isn't there to help you win a pointless argument against someone who likes a different thing. They're there to earn money. It may seem hypocritical for a single-format site editor to be saying these things, but though I love the Xbox platform, this just happens to be the job that I was hired for. What we've seen this week - including the weak threats and unoriginal insults that have come my way (FROM XBOX FANS, no less, because obviously I'm on Microsoft's payroll and it's all my fault) - shows that brand loyalty can completely addle the mind, turning into fanaticism and convincing people that they're owed something by that very brand that they adore.
The fact that they start crying like little kids when they don't get it only strengthens the theory.
My advice to these raging crybabies is primarily to get help, but to also shut up and play Quantum Break when it comes out as they were going to originally. Play other games on your Xbox One and enjoy them. Get involved in the ecosystem if you want to improve the brand, sure, but stop with the "platform wars" crap and if you're going to carry on with that nonsense, at least be honest about it.
Looking over the fence constantly to see whether another person has more than you is weak sauce. The only time you should do that in life is to make sure that they have enough.
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I strongly co-sign.
Couldn't agree more! Oh, by the way I took your advice and starting coding on unity and applied to uni! Thanks for the advice Ken!!!
The bottomline is this. Remedy's games, and frankly many other games from different publishers have always been Xbox and PC throughout the brand's life. The 'controversy' over Quantum Break going to PC is the dumbest thing I've seen this gen (and I've seen a lot of dumb sh*t two years into the PS4 and Xbox One generation). As I said in the comment section about the QB bundle, this news was literally stuff I passed over. My reaction was that it was a commonsense decision to release a PC version and that MS had put together a great bundle for people, of which there are plenty, who still haven't bought a current-gen console. Seemed like great news, but what do I see? Nothing but crying and bs, on both sides. Xbox 'fans' crying they're boycotting a game they were hyped for because now more people can enjoy it, PS4 gamers who I'm convinced have just started gaming this gen acting like this hurts Xbox at all, when this stuff has ALWAYS happened throughout Xbox history. Stupidity all the way around. But that's the gaming community today. I'm 'entitled,' I'm an a-hole and I'm part of the problem when I get p*ssed a $60 game I bought is broken day one or when I get infuriated that the $50 a year PSN that I pay for now goes down, but this other kind of behavior is perfectly acceptable. I'm sorry but F**K the entire gaming community. I'm sick of frickin imbeciles acting like legit reasons to be p*ssed means your entitled while then going around defending bs or getting outraged over stuff that has ALWAYS happened like Xbox and PC sharing exclusives. I'm very disenchanted with the industry these days and most of it isn't even because of some of the technical problems that arise, it is the gaming community which includes everybody whether they wave the Xbox, PlayStation or Nintendo flag. They are all A$$HOLES and they are the problem. Grow the f**k up please and stop ruining stuff for everybody else because your head is so far up your corporate mother's rearend that you have no clue of reality.
Sorry for the language and the long rant, but I really have had it with some of the crap. If people want to be idiots and get angry over things like more people enjoying a game because it's one less for some fake console war (I'm sorry to the fanboys that it's one less game for their list of games, 9/10 of which they won't buy), that's fine, but don't go after people who have real, legit concerns about things that have far worse consequences on gaming.
@Nodisentigration Oh, awesome! Best of luck!
@SuperKMx thanks! Appreciate it
@SuperKMx
Thanks for keeping things real as always, Ken. I actually like opinion pieces. Is it possible you and the staff can get more of these out? Back when magazines were the main source of info one of my favorite things was opening to the first page or two and reading the 'Letter from the Editor' or whoever was tabbed with the opening piece for that month.
@Gamer83 Yup, it's something we're planning on doing more of, for sure.
Great job man! It makes me so sad/mad to see all this bull since QB was announced for pc.... oh and bonus points for the title haha.
So yeah, I eat sleep and breathe gaming.. actually more so the older I get. I was always a console only gamer until fairly recently (about a year and a half) and I've been a huge fan of xbox for a long time, so it does definitely get to me a little to see the xbox brand be dragged through the mud as much as it has this generation, although it was entirely their fault with the lead up to it launching. Thankfully all that has been corrected and Phil is really doing great things.. I don't know if it's because I'm a multiplatform gamer through & through but when I see people actually getting Mad that they're making the game available to more people, it blows my mind. I think if anyone should be saying anything, it should be to Sony and Nintendo ! And encouraging them to do the same.
I just wish the fanboys of the world would give other platforms a chance, because one they do and they realize that every platform has something great to offer, all that ridiculous comparing and fanboy arguing disappears. Your only care is you want the best possible experience and you start to care more about the games and less about beating another console.
Personally I couldn't care less if this is coming to PC as well - Its still a 'Console' exclusive. I don't understand why there is so much animosity and anger. At the end of the day, those who own an XB1 can still play this game if they want. What difference does it make that now more people can have the opportunity to play it too?
At the end of the day, I bet the majority of gamers have more multi-platform releases than exclusives anyway. Exclusives are not that big of a deal. Anyone can play any exclusives if they are willing to invest in a console - I own both an XB1 and PS4 so the majority of game releases are available to me. It doesn't make me superior because I can play more exclusives than someone else. It doesn't make the XB1 any less viable as a console because this is now on a PC. Having access to a few games that are not available on another system doesn't make you superior - it means you have a 'different' choice - thats it!!
I won't be buying Quantum Break - at least I don't think I will - not because its now releasing on PC but because the game itself really doesn't appeal. I haven't been impressed by the game play and I certainly don't think a lot to the concept and addition of the 'Live' action episodes. Obviously things could change after its released but at the moment, the game itself is not something I was considering regardless of whether it was an XB1 exclusive or available on ALL systems.
The whole point about games are that they are their for you to play and enjoy. Just because there are a few 'different' choices available to one set of people because of their choice in console, it doesn't make you superior or worse - it just means you have a few different choices!
If selling this game on PC too ensures a continued relationship with Remedy and MS, then it can only be positive for XB1 owners. Lets not forget that this could also work the other way - PC only games coming to XB1...
Fanboy comments and the pathetic 'console' wars actually make me ashamed to consider myself a gamer. In an ideal world, in my opinion, there would be NO exclusives and I include 3rd party ones too. The only differences would be shape of controller and cosmetic differences - like buying a stereo, Bluray/dvd player...
Holy crap, now THAT's an article!
"Looking over the fence constantly to see whether another person has more than you is weak sauce. The only time you should do that in life is to make sure that they have enough."
That was a mic-dropping line if I've ever seen one.
A really nice article. A lot of Xbox games go PC, so Quantum Break making its way on there was no surprise. Killer Instinct will be going to PC soon and like I said on an article on Push Square, if Microsoft thinks this will help them then let em do it. Looking forward to Quantum Break.
I understand your points, but I understand some of the outrage. I dont care about "fanboy exclusive scores" (personally I generally prefer playing on Playstation so that isnt even a consideration) but many of us bought an XBO console purely for exclusives. I bought a XBO at launch so I've already weathered the mandatory Kinect and the many price drops, but now I find out that there was no reason even to buy the system in the first place. I have a good gaming PC, in my living room right next to my XBO. So if all future XBO games are coming to PC, then why would I ever buy another game on the Xbox?
I will try and explain why I think this is bad for the Xbox One. Just my opinion. Sorry for typos and misspellings, bad grammar, lack of punctuation etc etc I am on my phone waiting for a train.
Microsoft budgets money towards Xbox One. You have people who support it. They pay money to develop for it. Market it, produce it, get new developers etc etc. QB was going to be exclusive to the Xbox One. If you recall back in Xbox 360 days they had a ton of exclusives. Next to none were released on PC. The games sold like mad. The new CEO currently, he wasn't CEO at that time but he voted to sell off the Xbox division when it was hot. In releasing QB on PC as well now, I know many see it as a happy opportunity to make more money. This could be the truth. But to me, IMO. It looks like MS is not confident they will make back the cost on the game. This game has been in development quite awhile and has cost a lot of money. To me, IMO, this lack of confidence in Xbox One is forcing this move. This deal is also in my opinion a lack of confidence in Xbox One because I feel that if they just announced the game on PC they would have lost a big percentage of what the projected sales were. They already were not good enough to warrant a exclusive for Xbox one alone. As an example for sales let's use forza 2 that came out in 2007 on the 360. 2 years into the console. It sold in just the year it released 3+ million. An example of sales on Xbox One is Forza 6 that came out 2 years into Xbox One life cycle it has sold 1.2 million. These numbers are just the information I can dig up and they can be construed based on many factors. Microsoft knows exactly the numbers. Just using these numbers to show why I feel a lack of confidence. Also Forza 5 launch title has sold only 2.14 mil. on Xbox one. I think Microsoft announced this deal. Quite vaguely at that, and only to prevent what I think would have been a bunch of pre-order cancellations on Xbox One moved to PC. So what is pretty clear IMO is the Xbox One is struggling. The fact that it's coming out on Xbox One and you get the PC as well. Sound good but it's the same game and it will (if developed properly) perform and look much better on PC. I am just one example but I am not the only one that has decided not to buy the Xbox One game and instead buy the PC game. So I myself represent 1 loss sale. We can speculate the percentage that would be like me. But why bother. Microsoft still has to pay money to produce the Xbox One version of the game. The internals of Xbox One though very PC like are not as simple due to Esram, slower graphics memory. Will the sales of the game cover the process of porting to Xbox One or PC. Only MS knows. I don't think Xbox One will be gone tomorrow. But is the Xbox One covering its budget? I think it is a very good chance Xbox One will become an afterthought. And that is why I believe this is bad news for Xbox One and its budget and its fans. I also feel the required specs are padded on PC so people can use that as a defense when confronted with a much nicer looking version on PC.
Just my opinion.
Whilst I agree with the (very well written and coherent) article content and I feel that there should be no console exclusives at all, I kind of agree with @GrumpyGamr as well. The rant, IMO, is based on fear, a fear that this is Microsoft's last console and that MS is not really behind the Xbone and every dilution of the 'exclusive' catalog is another nail in that coffin. We know that MS made errors with the One, both in design (graphics) and in its marketing and the question is did it sell enough to warrant an Xbox2 or will it turn into a PC in your living room with achievements and a controller and every non exclusive/cross platform game plays into that fear. By the way, PC gamers have that fear already with the whole store scenario. Personally, I don't give a monkey's as long as the machine in my lounge doesn't attempt to take off when the fan kicks in, I can still use Xbox live (whatever they decide to call it) and still game with friends. Oh, and get achievements 😄
The day you really need to start worrying is the day they produce a PC Xbox one and Xbox emulator and a fan less totally silent PC capable of running it with PC/Xbox cross achievements undifferentiated from each other. The day that it doesn't matter WHERE you play a game.
Now I'll just make myself clear before I start going into my point; I disagree with the anger that some Xbox fans are apparently displaying. As this site is the only one I've been on that has talked about Quantum Break being available on Windows 10, I can only take it's word that there have been Xbox fans raging about this news. I will also note that, despite growing up on an Amiga, I do not play games on PC (or Mac or Linux) so a console exclusive to me is still an exclusive.
Now then... I understand the feelings of these supposedly raging Xbox fans. Let me be clear though, I do not understand their actions, their accusations of lying, petitions, and raging; but I can understand the feelings behind it such as anger and disappointment.
As to why I understand this... well, I love exclusives! I prefer it when games are exclusive to a system, even when I don't get to play them as a result. I know that sounds odd, and my explanation for this might not be entirely logical, but it's how I feel. One of the reasons for my love of exclusives comes from how I saw things as a child. I recognised video game companies not by individual developers or the design of a controller, but games and their characters that I associated with them. Nintendo was Mario and Kirby, Sega was Sonic and Ristar, and I enjoyed there being this difference. I played on the different systems not because the systems were different, but because of the different games and their characters; and I would ponder on what I preferred based on their exclusives, or imagine which characters from the respective sides would win a fight or get along. An I guess unlike how others saw this conflict of fans, I saw it as being friendly competitions, differences that were wonderful to have. With video games having a decent impact on my childhood, they kind of defined some of my ideas and views, some even to this day. To me, exclusives helped define two separate sides of one video game community; with differences I appreciated in both.
A more recent case that cemented my love of exclusives was... the Wii. I absolutely love the Nintendo Wii, and it stands as my favourite video game console; primarily due to it's exclusives. An this wasn't just Nintendo exclusives, but also 3rd party exclusives such as the Red Steel games or Tatsunoko vs. Capcom. Sure, some of these are no longer exclusive (such as Muramasa: The Demon Blade and A Boy And His Blob) but I feel that being designed around a singular system at it's initial point helped ensure a better quality for the games than those designed as multi-platform games.
In terms of a purchasing decision, I can also understand the feelings of those currently upset (this does not justify their ranting/actions though). Why did I get an Xbox One? For it's exclusives; Sunset Overdrive, Ori and the Blind Forest, and Fable Legends. Why did I not want a PS4? It's lack of exclusive games I wanted, with the only game that I wanted for the system at the time, Little Big Planet 3, being available on PS3. Again, I don't play on PC, but for those who do I can see how Quantum Break being available on PC after getting an Xbox One can be seen as aggravating.
One last thing I will add, is that I don't see anything wrong with having pride in people's respective video game community (as in whether they primarily support one of the 3 key console creators, or even 3rd party game companies). I don't see it as any different to supporting a football team, and in some ways, even your example of a country. Again, video games had a rather defining impact on me, sparking my love of the fantasy genre, reading, writing, an interest in history that led to me respecting and being more invested in my country outside of my love for tea; a lot of the things I love and views that I've developed overtime probably lend their thanks to video games (though to be frank, everything you encounter in life will have an impact in your development). The problem comes when said pride leads them to lash out others, much like in the example you've provided, but I certainly wouldn't let the nasty moments stop me being proud in my hobbies and the communities that form around them and their creators.
To conclude, I understand the sentiment, but condone the action. The video game community has shown a nasty side to it once again, but it's nasty side evident in many a community surrounding many other things, and it'd be wrong to let that hinder my enjoyment and pride of the better aspects of said community. I also still plan on getting Quantum Break, and enjoying it on my Xbox One.
Wow.
I wish you wouldn't sit on the fence, Ken, come down on one side or the other, jeez...
I'm sadly not shocked by the junk I've read over the last couple of days regarding this news, and I think that says a lot about the state of the Xbox "community". This, to me, is the very definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face.
"Oh noes, PC gamers can play QB"! So? I don't have gaming PC, and don't want one. I have a console because its easy. I plug it in, bang a disc in and it works. Simples. I spend all day fixing PCs at work, I do not want to come at night and look at another one. Therefore I have an Xbox. I'm not allowed to have a PS4 (cheers wife) but having looked at the games, theres nothing shouting to me from their exclusives list that makes a case for buying one. So, QB then..I'm tempted now to go and preorder, just because I like the look of the premise, and PC gamers make no difference to me. If anything, its like Ken said..If the game sells to 10 million gamers, instead of 5 million (say), then surely DLC.sequels are going to be more likely?
Butthurt gamers are butthurt, and have been since Spectrum/C64 days. Theres nothing new in the world, after all...
I've not bothered to read the BS from whingers over this announcement. TBH I couldn't give a toss. The Xbox is basically a PC running a version of Windows 10. I could see games coming on PC and Xbox once Windows 10 came along and don't see why I should be worried. I'll probably get QB as it looks a good game (pending reviews). If it comes with a 'free' copy for the PC, I doubt I'll bother downloading it. Purely because my PC is old and it'd probably run like a three legged donkey and the fact that I like the simplicity of an xbox. Press on button, insert disc, play.
Worst case scenario, MS decides to drop Xbox and concentrate on PC games, but let's be honest, that ain't gonna happen. They may not have a monopoly over Sony, but they are still selling a truck load of consoles, games, accessories, etc.
I'm still angry someone used my photo at the top of this article without my permission.
@Souldin "Why did I get an Xbox One? For it's exclusives; Sunset Overdrive, Ori and the Blind Forest, and Fable Legends."
Only Sunset Overdrive is 'exclusive' to Xbox One. Ori is available to XB360 and Windows PC. Fable Legends will be available to XB1 and Windows PC and features cross-platform multiplayer between Microsoft Windows and Xbox One.
Granted all 3 are 'console' exclusive in that the only console (brand) you can play these on is the Xbox but the fact is that 2 of these are also on PC.
I don't care if games are 'exclusive' to one console or 'family' (like Microsoft). It really doesn't affect my decision to buy or my enjoyment of a game. I am NOT superior to the nearly 40m gamers that can't play these games. I couldn't care less if a game is enjoyed by 1m, 20m or 100bn people, If I enjoy it and can access it, that's all that matters to me. In my opinion, the more people that can play games, the better. The more people I can discuss this and share experiences the better. Its also better for developers/publishers as it generates more income that can be used for future development projects.
Anyone who thinks this signifies the 'death' of Xbox is greatly mistaken. Games that have sold on Xbox and PC (like Titanfall), the console(s) account for 90+% of game sales. SW:BF sold 98% of its games to console owners. BF4 also sold less to PC owners and ranks 'lowest' in sales - even less than was sold on XB1 which released after the game came out. Its not just FPS games either with games like the Witcher 3 (Franchise originally started on PC) and Fallout 4 both selling more copies on console - even less than per individual console ranking last in terms of sales figures.
So... All these people who are supposedly going to boycott and cancel their pre orders: You're not really helping your system of choice by essentially giving it one less copy sold, are you? Just saying.
@BAMozzy, different types of games though, the MMORPG PC market is huge125. Million active steam accounts (people who have purchased in the last two weeks - I bet Xbox and PS4 would kill for those sorts of numbers). The estimate is 200 million plus PC gamers in China alone, I think Nvidia had Several hundred million user optimisation for gaming using their cards. In my opinion, the next 'under the tv' box will run PC & Xbox games, will be like a steam box (different grades for different purses - the more you pay the better the graphics - greater draw distance etc.) and lose the Xbox logo. It will be a Windows xx box and just be called a Microsoft Console. The lines are already blurring and we are only a couple of years into the market for the Xbox one.
@sorethumbed Of course certain games are big on PC's - Like League of Legends. However the big games that are released on multiple formats tend to sell 90%+ of their games to console owners.
Part of the reason that Consoles are popular is the fact that they are a one-off payment. In online gaming, it also gives everyone a level playing field too. On PC you can be up against people with double (or more) the frame rate and better visuals too which obviously gives them an advantage over others. The resolution maybe not so much but it can't hurt if you can see the opposition slightly better against some backdrops but the frame rate is a distinct advantage.
China has not had consoles for a long time and therefore its not a fair example to use. The only way they could game was on PC and that is why its by far the most popular. The Chinese haven't exactly had the choice and its only a year or so since consoles were allowed to be sold.
The lines between console and PC have been blurred for a long time now. Last gen, the consoles added media apps as well as an internet browser. The architecture of Consoles have also been very similar to PC's too and haven't changed in this gen - The PS4 in particular is like the majority of PC's in its architecture.
The Xbox is a 'brand' and recognised. I doubt that we will see that name disappear. the XB1 may not be selling as well as the PS4 but it is still selling better than the XB360 was at the same point. It is still profitable for MS. I think we are more likely to see an XB'2' than not but I do think we will see more PC/Xbox exclusives and cross platform gaming.
@BAMozzy, I think the launch of Fable Legends is a 'toe in the water' for how well Xplatform will work. For instance, language. Let's face it, the PC gaming world is a no holds barred environment compared to live, which code of conduct will prevail? If the communities don't tear each other to shreds then I think MS will push the integration harder. From a developers perspective, it works as well. As with all things, time will tell. My money is on the cost reductions it would bring being a fair driver.
@BAMozzy I did note that as I don't play on PC, a console exclusive is effectively a regular exclusive, as such Fable Legends and Ori and the Blind Forest are effectively Xbox One exclusives to me. Likewise, the first two exclusive games on PS4 that appeal to me are the PS Vita ported games of Tearaway and Gravity Rush; on the basis that I don't own or play on a PS Vita. I make note of this though, as there will be those who do happen to own both an Xbox One and play on a PC.
In a sense, I guess one could say that Microsoft's Windows 10 is effectively the equivalent to Sony and Nintendo having handhelds, to which some of their games and IPs are shared across multiple platforms but under the same umbrella.
As noted within my comment, I love the existence of exclusives, but it's not something I use as some sense of superiority. Exclusives help differentiate the respective systems further, and in turn give a greater difference to those who experience those systems (as well as a greater identity to that specific system). I personally like that aspect, and enjoy talking with those whose gaming experiences differ to mine, much like how you enjoy discussing with those who've played the same game as you. To each their own as it were (though naturally, this does mean I don't also enjoy discussing with people about games we have both played, just that I can find the opposite to be the case as well).
I'm seeing some of the same fear mongering here that I saw at other places last gen. MS is not about to drop the Xbox brand just because it shares some games with PC, this has happened throughout the existence of Xbox and it's not going to stop any time soon. Now, with the way the industry is changing maybe MS does move on. But until that day arrives I don't see the point worrying about it. Xbox One is out-pacing the 360 so I'm a little tired of hearing how it's a failure and seeing all the panic over a business practice that isn't exactly new to MS.
@Souldin I wasn't having a go at you but pointing out that some of those exclusives are also available on PC - much like Quantum Break will be.
I have both a PS4 and XB1 (as well as a PS3 and XB360). Often though discussing games that others haven't played and can't play limits conversation though...
Don't think anyone here is panicking or fear mongering, just commenting on the inevitability (and fear of) change. For people who toy with equipment running at the edge of what's possible, many gamers are extremely conservative.
@GrumpyGamr "I am just one example but I am not the only one that has decided not to buy the Xbox One game and instead buy the PC game. So I myself represent 1 loss sale"
With respect, no you don't. You aren't buying it on Xbox One, but you're buying it on PC. Microsoft is still the publisher on both platforms. Therefore, that's not a lost sale in any way. That's actually the system and reason for the dual release working as it should. You have the choice and are purchasing the version that suits you best.
@Utena-mobile I've got a loft full of gaming equipment I no longer use. What I'm advocating is 'one ring to bind them all' then I don't have to 'in the darkness find them'. At the moment, you have a console with a console o/s and a side order of Windows 10. I want the machine that flips that, sits under my TV and does the lot. God forbid, someone might even write a PS emulator for it 😀😀
It wouldn't be a PC, it wouldn't be an Xbox, it would be a games console.
My PC is a bit dated spec wise but still has enough grunt to run this. I will buy the Xbox Version as i prefer to sit down in comfort and play, but knowing i have the PC version as well is an added bonus. What with cross platform saves it all sounds good to me.
I think it would be great if every cross platform game worked like that. That it didn't matter where I used something, progress would be saved
I'm not getting it either, for no other reason than I overspent at Christmas. Purchasing is off the agenda till April at least so it's back catalog and F2P till then. Looks like it might be a blast though.
On the topic though, I find it hilarious, they'll be giving the guy death threats next. Sad peeps.
@Gamer83
You are right. The generation has been THE WORST, in my opinion, when it comes to the gaming community. I think it stems from gaming being so popular now & the internet being so toxic that it leads to an awful combination of too many idiotic gamers with way too much to say & an easy unpunishable forum to say it on.
And it goes that way for everybody. If I hear one more PS4 fanboy (the same ones who owned a 360 last-gen) rip the Xbox & talk about how dominant sales are....blah, blah, blah, I am going to lose it.
And these idiot Xbox owners freaking out about Quantum Break going to PC, verbally attacking people, including death threats......pathetic.
And heaven forbid I tell a Nintendo fan that I think the Wii U blows. I may end up with a Happy Meal Toy (a.k.a. Amiibos) thrown at my skull.
It's one of the reasons this website is the ONLY site that I comment in. While we all may not agree on everything, the community is usually pretty solid.
@SuperKMx
Great article! I completely agree with everything you said. I have been pretty hard on Sony fanboys this generation (sometimes, even for good reason! Lol.), but these "Xbox fans" who are giving you crap about your views on this subject need to go take a long walk off a short cliff.
Like you, I just don't understand the big deal about this. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion (no matter how short sighted it may be), but there is no excuse for acting like a complete douchebag maniac like these Xbox fanboys are. I love my Xbox more than most, but these people are a couple apples short of a fruit salad, so to speak.
@Gamer83 @SuperKMx
Sorry for the multiple posts guys. I typed that on my cell and, for some reason, it submitted multiple times. Ugh.
I frequent Push Square and Nintendo Life regularly but I keep coming back to this site for the editorial pieces as they always give me something to think about. Great article as usual. Stay classy gentlemen.
@KelticDevil
Haha, happy meal toys! That made my day
Can't wait for QB, looks phenomenal! A free PC copy too, awww yeess!
@A_BabyRed_Yoshi
Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. Lol.
@KelticDevil
Happy Meal toys perfectly describes those Amiibos. However, I will say if Nintendo sorts out the stock issues it's had for some Amiibos it's a brilliant money-making idea. In fact, the best idea Nintendo has had in a long time. The best since the motion control gimmick it introduced in 2006, which suckered in millions of people, myself included. The Wii did have a lot of good games though so I wasn't disappointed with my purchase.
The issue is not about fanboyism (if that is a word) but the fact that QB was sold as an "Exclusive" and less than two months before launch Microsoft changed tact and now it is an XB1 and Win10 exclusive.
I accept that the gaming community, as is the way with other, social media communities, like football, fashion, and celebrity lifestyles,all have a very vocal often toxic minority that "flame" situations. Whilst I cannot deny their passion for their respective hobbies, it takes the conversation away from the original point that MS moved the goalposts at a very late stage and to some, that is simply not "gentlemenly" regardless of perceived benefits
@Dewbers OK, but why? Why does moving the goalposts make a difference? How does it affect people?
@SuperKMx
I would suggest that it is primarily two things. The principle of the matter and the emotional attachment people have to their respective console / ecosystem. I would also add that it may also be contributed to the length of time something is advertised as an exclusive. If for 3 years all you hear is that it is only coming to your gaming platform then you build up anticipation, purchase decisions are made, only to be told at the 11th hour that what you had been "sold/told" is now no longer the case. People rightly become "miffed" I guess it is consumerism.
@Utena-mobile
Interesting. I wonder how they market that? will have to google that.
is the PR spin "Console exclusive" which isn't technically wrong I guess
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