I have had LG and Sony Oleds
Now have a Q90R 65 inch.
Great gaming tv VRR 4K 120Hz through
One hdmi socket etc.
Main reason is compared to OLEDS the HDR
if set correctly really does shine through
And make difference at 1200nits compared to Oleds around 700 nits.
Figured I'd ask here since the 2 kind of go hand in hand. Do any of you guys have any suggestions for sound? I'd prefer a sound bar/sub setup but willing to go full on 5 or 7 speakers. our game room is about 12' X 12' and I don't mind spending (within reason) to get the best performance /value. I've been reading up on Dolby atmos and traditional surround setups but still torn on what to do. Any suggestions would be appreciated
@redd214 There's plenty of good soundbars from all the major brands, nowadays, but if you ask me, you might want to look into LG's own soundbars first, to maximize compatibility and features. The SK10Y from 2018 is a pretty good choice, but if you still have the money to burn after having bought two C9's (lucky devil... ), then you might want to direct your sights at the newer SL series, which consists of the 8YG, the 9YG, and the 10YG, which is the deluxe edition, and as such, has the most features.
Here's some articles on the various models:
(the first article is both about the C9 and the SL soundbars, so you need to scroll down halfway to read about those)
@MaccaMUFC Glad you found the one that best suits you. As it's the main TV in the house you won't always be worrying about burn in if you leave a news channel or something like that on for long. 🙂
@redd214 let us know how you find the C9s compared to ur old TVs.
I’m finding it ironic that I’ve created this topic when it’s looking like I’m not getting a new TV or a Series X (or a new headset) this year as I’m looking to putting the money towards a new car, putting two grand towards the cost will go a long way to get a better car. My worry now is that the Q90R won’t be available to buy at all next year as it will most likely be discontinued and been reading that the 2020 range isn’t as good.
So it looks like I’ll still be gaming on my Xbox One X and KS8000 for the foreseeable. Playing games like Halo Infinite, Cyberpunk 2077 etc, I should still enjoy them in 4K and HDR on my One X but miss out on better detail, possibly faster FPS, less load times and ray-tracing or I could not play them until I get the Series X? Not exactly third world problems but disappointing and annoying to say the least.
@Nexozi Great so far! Only have 1 up now but the difference, especially the HDR/brightness, vs my old TV's make them worth it thus far! Won't have them both up until I get a new TV stand (need those PS5 dimensions lol!) and update sound in the room.
@Thretosix That's because it's not better than the LG C9 OR the Samsung. Only certain Sony screens are better for gaming, but that's not one of them, so that's more than likely more of a brand preference. If you look at the most recent tests, then 9 out of 10 times, the one that comes out on top is either an LG or Samsung screen.
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@Thretosix No worries, man. And mind you, I didn't mean to imply that it's a bad TV, just that it isn't THE best for next gen consoles. And that's not a personal opinion, it's simply a fact. In this thread, we've gone over practically all current tests from a range of the most reputable web sites and YouTube channels, and as mentioned, the LG and Samsung screens come out on top most often.
So, personally, going by that info, I wouldn't have bought a Sony screen, which is why I assumed that it might also be somewhat of a preference towards the brand (and again: nothing wrong with that in and of itself), because I'd think that if someone is going to spend over a thousand dollars on a TV, that they would do a bit of research first, especially if you buy it for such a specific purpose as next-gen gaming, meaning that we're not just going to compare check lists of "what features does this console have and what type of TV matches/is able to display those", but also which type/brand of TV is the best at handling/displaying those features.
That's actually also what this whole thread is about: to help other people with getting the actual best TV for gaming.
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
Considering the XH90 (or X900H in the US) only ships with HDMI 2.0 right now, it cannot be considered as a TV for Series X. Granted they say an update will come - but whether that's an update to support the full features and improve its 'terrible' (compared to LG and Samsung) Input Lag, we will have to see. For all you know, it could be just a partial upgrade to a single HDMI port that doesn't offer the full bandwidth of HDMI2.1 and until it has been updated and tested, there is absolutely NO way I would recommend something on something that may not be adequate come the release of the next gen console(s) and, if you do want more than 1 of the next gen consoles, may have to keep swapping HDMI cables to get the full benefits for each.
There is a reason that Sony TV's are never 'recommended' and its not because people have 'brand' loyalty (or hatred), its because Sony are 'lagging' (pun intended) behind Sony and LG. For years, their TV's only offered 2 HDMI 2.0 ports compared to their rivals 4, in the best case situations, they were 50% slower on input lag and as for HDR, couldn't compete with Samsung on colour range, black level and peak brightness - the closest that did was the ZD9 - but again sacrificed HDMI ports, input lag etc compared to Samsungs TV's. The went and screwed that up with the next gen Z series by using an IPS panel which meant the blacks were much more grey in favour of trying to offer a wider viewing angle. Even the version of Dolby Vision wasn't the 'full' version that LG offered...
If you want to spend you money on something that is 'adequate' but certainly not the 'best' LCD TV for gaming, then that is your choice - but the purpose here is to advise on the 'best' TV for gaming and right now, that is the C9 without any argument. If OLEDs are not for you, then the best LED is from Samsung and already offer TV's with VRR and a track record of the best input lag in TV's. However, the only TV that I would be OK to recommend is the C9 because that ticks ALL the boxes and with 4 full HDMI 2.1 ports as standard, will be much more future proof and certainly able to cope with more than 1 next gen console. Its not just input lag either as it also has incredibly fast pixel response - faster than the vast majority of gaming monitors. Compared to that, the Sony is barely adequate...
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@Thretosix Nope, I'm not. Browse back in the thread, and you'll see. Except maybe for one or two links, all the articles and videos I posted, are the most recent tests. The Digital Foundry video, which is one of the best around, clearly states 2020. And yes, they DO very much state that the C9 is the best all-round choice for gaming, so you can keep on bringing up more arguments, but the point stands, and it's made by people that actually know what they're talking about. I've posted videos of people that have the technical know-how to differentiate, and also of people that actually test and calibrate these screens for a living, so it's safe to say that we can trust what they have to say on the matter.
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
From that Sony link: The HDMI® 2.1 feature 4K @120hzwill be supported by the XBR X900H and Z8H series TVs.
As I stated - at the moment, it is NOT supported but an update is expected to update at least 1 HDMI port to HDMI 2.1 but right now, its not shipping with HDMI 2.1...
If you want to BLINDLY defend your product purchase and even use Sony's own literature to 'defend' your purchase - it helps to actually read the specs and information you are sharing. In its specs, it currently states that 4k 60 is the 'highest' video feed it supports too - of course when they eventually do update - not that Sony are particularly quick on updates - it took a LONG time for their promised 'Dolby Vision' update and even that wasn't the 'full' Dolby Vision support.
I have done my research and still stand by everything I have said. There is absolutely NO way I would recommend a product based on the 'promise' of an update. There is no way I would recommend ANY product that cannot be tested and whether or not Sony have actually caught up with the competition in terms of Input Lag etc. IF and/or When Sony update their TV's and they are tested, see exactly what was updated (whether its just 1 port or more, whether its the full bandwidth HDMI 2.1 or more limited etc) it cannot be considered as one of the best options on the market.
As I said, its got nothing to do with being a Sony branded TV, its has everything to do with the fact that other TV's are better options for gamers and Sony have lagged behind for the entire 4k generation - whether competing with LG on OLEDs or Samsung with LED TV's. You often get 'better' gaming and HDR performance for less money with LG or Samsung and pay more for 'equivalent' Sony products. The purpose was to identify which TV's are the 'BEST' for gaming - not ones that maybe adequate for gaming - even if they are great at watching sports or watching movies - maybe even slightly better with the motion controls but you don't need (or want) motion smoothing in video games as that increase input lag too and shouldn't be necessary either...
Until that TV gets updated and can be tested, it cannot be considered suitable for next gen at all!
@J1mmmmo I’m currently not after a new TV right now but I certainly will be sometime next year when I get the Series X. I’ll take the LG NANO91 into account when deciding which TV I want as it’s always going to be either LG or Samsung. The 65” is reasonably priced for its size and for the features it has, I’d definitely consider getting it right now if I could depending how it compares to the Q90R for blacks, input lag etc.
@BlueOcean LG and Samsung are out on top again for another year. As @ThanosReXXX mentioned a while ago and is backed up by digital foundry the C9 is the best and better value than the CX. The main reason to get a CX is the smaller size. At 48" it'll fit easier on desks so can use it for consoles and PC.
Reddit seems to really be against LG nanocell TVs:
So would be interesting to get owners takes on the TV. Have you seen any ghosting or blb?
Talking about Sony TVs, this guy compares the Hisense H9G to Sony A8G OLED using Uncharted 4:
For the price of the Sony it should be destroying the Hisense.
@J1mmmmo Burn-in is becoming less and less of an issue, due to more countermeasures being added all the time, in newer screens, so that should never be a reason to not buy any modern OLED or QLED TV. It should be about picture quality, blacks/contrast values, HDR and lowest input latency. We're talking about a TV for gaming here, after all...
So, overall, LG's OLED screens are the best for gaming, closely followed by Samsung's QLED's, as the Digital Foundry tests once again show.
Just a reminder that C9 supports HDMI 2.1 and 120 FPS on all four HDMI ports. The only thing that C9 doesn't support is HDR10+ but HDR10 and Dolby Vision. HDR10+ was pioneered by Samsung but both Sony and LG say that it's not necessary because the same can be achieved by tone mapping features. Microsoft said that they will apply HDR to backwards compatible games. HDR is going to be a big thing next generation.
20th Century Fox, Panasonic, and Samsung developed HDR10+ but Dolby Vision is much better. The interesting thing is that 20th Century Fox, now owned by Disney, is ditching HDR10+ in favour of Dolby Vision so HDR10+ is probably doomed. HDR10, supported by all HDR TVs as far as I know, will remain but the royalty cost for Dolby Vision is less than $3 per TV. In my opinion, it looks good for Dolby Vision and I wonder if Xbox Series X and PS5 games will support both HDR10 and Dolby Vision. Does anyone know about Xbox One S/X or PS4/Pro games that support Dolby Vision?
@Nexozi Yes, that's right. LG C9 is number 1 one more year and the TV that we both chose if I remember correctly.
@ThanosReXXX The C9 is no doubt the best gaming TV for this gen and the next but the burn-in issue is still a real risk no matter how many countermeasures it has, even LG say its a possibility but they have to say that to cover their own arses. The C9 has only been out over a year so it’s still too early to say it doesn’t suffer any problems, for all we know problems such as image retention and faded pixels may arise in the next year or so.
I watch a lot of TV that have static logos on-screen like Sky Sports News, football, F1, boxing, UFC etc as well as playing games that have static HUDs so I know if I bought a C9 I’m going to have problems within the first 2 or 3 years, especially the amount the time the TV will be used on a daily basis.
The C9 has only been out over a year so it’s still too early to say it doesn’t suffer any problems, for all we know problems such as image retention and faded pixels may arise in the next year or so.
The C9 actually uses C8 panels with better hardware and better anti-image-retention protection. I haven't heard many people complaining about C8 or C7 on the TV forums that I've read and C9 is better protected.
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