Talking Point: Do You Feel Like You're Still Waiting For 'Next-Gen' To Arrive?

Despite both Xbox Series X/S and PS5 being out for years now, it still feels like we are just beginning this generation. We've barely had any current-gen only games which gives the idea that they are being held back by previous-gen consoles. It's why I don't think a PS5 Pro is needed anytime soon.

Most def yeah.
I feel like with development cycles being longer it's supposed to feel longer until this gen has well and truly started, and the expectation amongst gamers for it to have started by now (as it probably has been the generations prior) might be a bit unrealistic, especially regarding covid.
But on the other side totally fair for a consumer to want his box to be worth their money.

Graphics are only slightly improved from the previous generation. But we were promised: 4K, 120pfs & tray tracing. It's disappointing that we cannot get all 3 of these at the same time. But we do have quick resume with the speedy SSD along with quick loading times. I think Starfield and Forza Motorsport will look and feel like next gen though.

I feel that the technology has hit a current high point. The fidelity isn't really exciting anyone any longer. Now it has Switched (get it) back to gameplay and value.

I skipped last gen so it's all new and pretty looking to me. But I don't find it particularly exciting right now. I don't see anything on the horizon that excites me especially that a weaker console cannot do.

I believe Nintendo dictates the future of consoles right now - specially with their next one. If it is a Switch 2 then I expect more people to simply stay with the current one. If they come out with something new and exciting, while keep backwards function on this gen - they will continue to eat away market share until Sony has to pivot.

Yeah i do, but ive sadly felt like that since the X1 launch. X360 was glorious and great days. But nothing for me has really gone that extra step. Ive dabbled on the PS3 and PS4 and feel the same so im not been down on xbox. Found myself playing steamdeck and switch and getting more enjoyment than i ever had. Its like being back in my younger days

Pretty much.

So far we've pretty much not gotten anything that felt like we needed a new generation for.

It seems like nowadays you don't get that really until half or more into the generation because everyone is scared to leave the audience on the previous generation behind.

The last time it felt like a new generation was Xbox to the 360, PS2 to PS3.

Even the cross gen games back them were night and day different.

@cross717
I would even be happy tossing the other things out the window if we could just get proper 120FPS with VRR support. But you have to use a list to find games that even support 120FPS.

And half of those, like Halo Infinite, break if you have VRR on making you have to manually toggle it between games.

Personally I blame covid for lot of the mess in gaming right now and look for another year or two of meh before it changes around. People need be back in the offices to work better and be more efficient.

Thank goodness I'm not member of, The 60 FPS Cult, that seemingly was never able play a game until year or two ago because games were ONLY 30 fps or less. So overall this gen I'm ok with so far. But the "jump on trendy, hipster 60 soapbox" needs to stop, though.

@GuyinPA75 Why blame covid?

The same thing happened last hen when we moved form 360/PS3 to the Xbox One/PS4.

The One X was even announced before games started doing anything that made it seem next gen.

And even then, it was just resolution upgrades we got, primarily on the One X and PS4 Pro.

Developers and publishers do not want to abandon previous generation install bases. And that holds it all back.

Feels about the same tbh. We got a pretty substantial hardware upgrade an yet every game is STILL cross gen nearly.

dev time just takes too long anymore.

@cross717 we are only getting 30fps for starfield which is a complete joke especially on the series x

Na
What is a 9th gen game anyway? I don't get it honestly, can someone explain it?

I've seen nothing on xbox yet ps5 there's been a few games nothing major I imagine forzas going look great hellblade 2 looks like the real next gen exclusive for me

No. Its pretty clear that the giant leap forward is not happening this gen.

Drastically reduced load times will be the defining feature of this gen.

I frankly not sure that the PS5 and XSX are capable of delivering what I would consider a next gen experience.

Even for the games that have only supported current gen consoles the improvements haven't been great. When someone tries to deliver a feature rich experience, visuals suffer.

Look at Jedi Survivor. They added RTGI and it drove internal resolutions so low that there are tons of artifacts on objects in motion. FSR2 can't take a sub-720p image in motion and turn it into 1440p/4K with reasonable fidelity. I find those types of artifacts really distracting so that for me that game is basically unplayable.

Now that the cross-gen period is ending, we are going to see more and more 30fps games as developers try to live within the limitations of the current hardware while delivering "next gen" features and visuals. Even then, I think we will still be seeing compromises.

I honestly have enjoyed the generation so far. Playing games at 60fps, at higher fidelity than they would had ever been able to on prev gen (if you don't see it, you should go and play those games on a fat Xbox One and compare them again) and lightning fast load times... this generation has been amazing.

Sadly, we are starting to see games not able to provide performance modes, forcing 30fps modes, as they leave prev gens behind. As they no longer see the need to optimize their code to run in prev gen, they now feel its worth it at all to develop 60fps modes.

The closer we get to this mythical "true next gen games" the more I feel I might quit playing on consoles and just buy a PC.

Yes, I am absolutely still waiting for "next-gen" to arrive. Perhaps not so much from a graphical perspective, but just from a simple game design and game mechanics standpoint.

Most games I have played could easily be possible on last-gen machines with a graphical downgrade.

Call me biased, but Tears of the Kingdom, from a gameplay standpoint, has been the most "next-gen" game to arrive in 2023 and it's on a system with the fraction of the power of the Series X and PS5.

Other than loading in Shrines and fast travel, the game has seamless transitions from Sky, Overworld, and Depths: much like what was promised with these flashy new SSD's. The amount of world interactivity has yet to really be seen in AAA games as those games are mostly static

Heck, even Final Fantasy XVI is all flash with little substances in between the spectacle boss fights and lengthy cutscenes.

I feel like there is just so much untapped potential within gaming as developers just continue to develop using "business as usual" techniques from last-gen. What's the point of adding all these extra cores and technology to hardware and SDKs if only a small portion are getting used?

So, yes, I am still waiting for "next-gen" to start.

@cross717 how're you gonna say that when Starfield is 30fps 😂
Will probably be a stunner though, just feel like *****

Sort of. This has been the weirdest console transition from MS. Switch from Wii U was a very clear transition and that didn't even have a huge power jump on the console side (though for the handheld, it was substantial).

I'm happy with Series X, so I guess it's kind of immaterial.

Nope. Quick Resume alone screams Next-gen to me. The Xbox Series X and S are simply faster than any last-gen console.

I look at consoles the same way as PC. Most people don't buy GPUs because of a new game is coming out, they buy to get the best graphics and performance from the games they already play, and both Xbox Series X and S crush Xbox One on those categories with ease.

Also, if people look at Fligh Simulator and don't see next-gen there maybe your bar is way too high.

Forza Horizon 5 looks stunning, it looks beautiful on Xbox One too, but not even close to the level of detail on the Xbox Series X.

Gears 5 running at 120fps with those incredible graphics that only coalition seems to know how to achieve.

Starfield will be one of the largest games ever, an open-world RPG the size of a galaxy running at 4K.

Come on, can't get more next-gen than that.

We are all into next-gen with Xbox Series X|S.

@cross717 Except that even in the PC space it takes a lot of money to achieve that.

And even then, in order to get something close to 4K, 120fps, with ray-tracing requires DLSS 3 - which means, the native resolution isn't 4K, and native framerate isn't 120.

In other words, not even expensive PC hardware runs 4K/120/RT: it takes AI tricks to give the appearance of 4K/120/RT.

Yes, I do. I don't see any "next-gen" games on Xbox or PC.

@InterceptorAlpha Why blame covid?

I'm not trying to be rude or anything. But have you paid attention to how people abused and exploited covid? Not even talking about the politicians but people as a whole. Did everything they could to "work" from home which really was "work" for couple hours tops and got paid for full day. Then factor in how much more difficult is try and not only communicate with a team but be productive with a team as a whole working from home. It's going be a disaster.

Then look at how all the shutdowns in states that are very liberal are also ones that are VERY tech heavy so game development was slowed to a crawl at best. The developers had to stop and then when came back, figure out where left off at.

Covid in all reality put incredible pause on the world. It may be 2023 but in soooooo many ways it is basically 2021 with so many companies time frames that are being forced by stockholders, etc, to show results today. Covid did so much damage to the world will feel and see for many years to come.

Yea, it is big of a mess. Really not think anyone is factoring in any of the above. But they'll still be trendy hipsters and say, "oh it's 30 fps I'm never going to play it, cause makes my eyes bleed and head explode". Even though they played Mario Party 8 hours a day, everyday, while in middle school at 20 fps-30 fps.

@GamingFan4Lyf technically that depends on the game and the specific DLSS technologies being used. You could run a game at true 120fps with DLSS resolution upscaling active, or run it at true 4K with DLSS frame generation active. You don't always have to run both together; I only ever use upscaling, because my monitor will only do 60fps so turning on frame generation results in some atrocious screen tearing.

@GuyinPA75

That was a lot of words to ignore the whole point of my comment. Did you even read past the opening sentence? 🤦

You're blaming covid for them doing the same thing during the last transition period when covid wasn't a thing.

Yes. In fact it feels like we’re going backwards with sub 1080p resolutions and 30fps in recent games (FF16 etc).

I can’t think of 1 game across either the PS5 or X that has impressed me like an Uncharted 2 did at the time. I’ve seen some good looking games (Ratchet and Clank, Callisto Protocol) but nothing stunning.

The problem with this gen is resolution

Going from 1080p to 1440-4k is very taxing, also add rt, better shadows, better textures, lod, lightning, etc is way too much for the old 2070 super / amd 6700

But i love this gen, 60fps and ssd is awesome being a old time pc gamer, i can finally enjoy this consoles

@somnambulance I’m glad you enjoyed FF16. I’m near the end and think for the most part it has looked dog poo and runs even worse. A 10 hour game made into a 60+ hour one with fetch quests imbedded into the main quest and game design from the PS3 era. It also has some of the worst pacing and most boring side quests I’ve ever seen. I’ve been working through them while watching YouTube while characters drone on for 10 minutes. The only fun part of the game are the big battles and they are few and far between.

@InterceptorAlpha I agree. I remember being blown away by PS1, N64, PS2 and PS3.

Since then, it's been a case of really having to look to see the difference between generations.

I'm surprised this is even a question.

You have to remember though, the console space has changed so dramatically. There aren't any hard set generations anymore. So I guess it's not surprising some of you are still waiting for "next gen". Defining what that means is different for everyone also

I personally don't feel like I'm still waiting for anything. I think it's been here for years already. To the point where these consoles are already feeling behind on performance, if we were to judge "next gen" purely on looks and how well games run.

I'm not someone who's always demanding innovation in design, and quite cynically I think game design already peaked long ago, sure there will be things here and there that surprise people but, I don't think we'll ever see consistent landmark changes like we did in the late 90's and 00's.

Next gen for me was quick loading times.

@Markatron84 I’m aware.

I was addressing a comment regarding disappointment of not being able to get 4K/120/ray-tracing at the same time on current-gen consoles.

Something not even the most expensive PC hardware can accomplish without having to rely on AI tricks in the form of something like DLSS 3.

Basically putting expectations in check.

To be honest, I really like my SeriesX.

Yes it's true that there aren't many games that are exclusive, so the next gen wow factor is minimal, but I think it has enough to feel very next gen compared to the previous gen.

For starters, Microsoft Flight Sim and Plague Tale look excellent and "next gen" in their own ways, and Forza Horizon 4 and 5 running at 4k60 both look stunning and pretty next gen compared to anything the previous gen could produce.

For me personally I love the backwards compatibility and the resolution bump and FPS boost the SeriesX provides.

Even though I have a more powerful PC, the SeriesX very much feels next gen in its own way - the combination of backwards compatibility on steroids, quick resume, fast loading times, and just the overall convenience of a console makes it feel like a perfect gaming machine.

I particularly love playing everything from 360 classics to the Yakuza series, enhanced, as well us current titles performing brilliantly like Forza.

@GamingFan4Lyf Agreed.

I still think the SeriesX represents amazing value for money, and especially closer to its launch when GPU prices were really high, it was widely recognised how much you were getting for your money.

But be that as it may, it's a £450 console, so yes expectations really do need to be firmly checked when comparing it to the capabilities of high gaming PCs costing £2000+.

It's perhaps a case of marketing blurb backfiring a bit, with many people who aren't tech experts, believing the console could and should be outputting 4k 120hz with raytracing

Yeah. Be it Xbox or Playstation it hasn't started yet.

@Raffles I completely agree. Console makers really needed to keep some of the marketing language in check.

The only game I know of on Series X that is true 4K/120Hz is Ori and the Will of the Wisps.

@GamingFan4Lyf I know. Just adding a bit more info/context regarding DLSS 😊

I'll also reaffirm yours and @Raffles comments by giving some examples of how much of a pipe dream 4K/120fps with RT on Series X is. I spent ~£2500 on a PC. First, on Spider-Man: Miles Morales, I got a stable 1440p/60fps with high graphics and RT settings and DLSS 3 upscaling set to quality. Then, on Hitman 3, with comparable settings, I get a mostly stable 60fps, except in larger open areas specifically in the Mendoza level where it will drop to 40-45fps. Frame generation would help but, as I said before, I only have a 60hz monitor.

So @cross717 you're not getting 4K/120fps with RT on Series X, ever.

It just shows how the relationship between old engines and console performance. Until the new engines work well with the console we will still be getting last gen performance. Unreal 5 is just starting to roll out and when that happens - boom next gen…

@Markatron84 I don’t think people realize how expensive 4K really is. I mean if people want to see more complex rendering techniques to define “next-gen” resolution is going to have to take a hit.

There is a reason DLSS, FSR, etc. were even created. There is a reason Frame Generation is being researched and improved.

Sure an Nvidia 4090 is a beast of a GPU, but it still has to compromise somewhere to get desired look and performance and needs AI to push things to their “limit”

@GamingFan4Lyf precisely. I think that - despite the console manufacturers' prior claims - people complaining about consoles not hitting specific resolution and/or framerate targets need to decide where their priorities lie and temper their expectations; if the resolution goes up, framerate takes hit a hit and vice versa. You get what you pay for.

And at the very least be thankful that consoles nowadays even have the option of prioritising between the two.

@Markatron84
And that's what is so disappointing. I'm not so much in graphics anymore like I used to be in the past. So this generation, the hardware makers sold us on 120fps, which I was really hoping for to see in more and more games along with 4K, and RT. I do feel that the higher the fps, the better the game feels. I even bought a new 4K TV with 120fps back in the middle of 2020 in preparation for Series X... But you're right, I'll never get all of what was promised together, I'll have to pick and choose providing the game supports them.

I'm not really sure. I haven't looked up from my Switch in eleven months.

@cross717 the other thing for people to consider is maybe not buying into the hype of "next-gen". In however many years, when Microsoft and Sony inevitably start to harp on about their next consoles being capable of 8K or 240fps, people shouldn't go in expecting every game to be some cutting edge gorgeous super smooth opus. Instead, pay attention to the other things; greatly improved loading times, quick resume and the vast strides made in the performance and compatibility of legacy games were all huge and significant steps beyond what was possible on the last generation of Xbox and collectively worth upgrading to a Series X|S for, in my opinion.

There's a couple of games for me on ps5 for me that are definitely nexgen can't speak to the xbox side.

@InterceptorAlpha So you're saying none of my "lot of words" have no value or cause or reason to the current state of the gaming industry at the moment? That's ok. But I truly believe those "lot of words" hold more truth than many realize.

Another reason is the Series S. I've said it many times on this site that it was huge mistake and absolutely holding the Series X back. The Series S is a cash grab with sole purpose to be a game pass machine. An inferior one at that.

There is no ‘next gen’ anymore and hasn’t been for a number of years. We have been cross gen for a long time and what we see now are just upgrades. The days of the leap from 8bit to 16bit etc disappeared long ago.

The leaps between generations are only going to get smaller and smaller.

Doubt we will ever have that significant jump from PS2/Xbox to the HD era with the PS3/360 ever again.

I dont even think about that, i just play the games i want to play and try to enjoy them.

Same as others, just enjoying the games. Not so bothered about "noticeable changes". I think the upgrades on loading and some performance an visuals is more than enough for me to justify my series X. I just see it has having done some upgrades to my pc when got some money laying around.

Its not been a strong showing in terms of technical prowess this gen. I've played a few PS5 games that I thought were current gen, but not that many, and I'm afraid even fewer on the Xbox.

I'm a little concerned that the xbox policy of ensuring all games work on all their platforms does not help production of titles that will push the limits, and developers will instead develop for the lowest common denominator instead. Its the same situation that holds back seeing astonishing PC titles, where there are still few titles which genuinely show the ultimate power of that platform.
I hope that we will start to see changes to this in the coming year, but Starfield coming out @30fps is not heralding a new dawn of gaming tech for me.
At least there are still fantastic games, even if they don't show off what your box can do, and I guess that's the most important thing.

Flight Simulator is the most current-gen game on Xbox or PS. The higher resolution, frame rate, short loading times and, most of all, Quick Resume make me feel like yes, I'm playing current-gen games on Series X. Xbox One X is the most powerful console of the last generation and it couldn't handle this performance in spite of an awesome GPU. That said, the graphics differences were more noticeable on Xbox 360 and PS3. I would say that the biggest difference was between PS1 and PS2 and between N64 and Gamecube. Back to Xbox, Sea of Thieves has some of the most beautiful graphics I've ever seen but it never went beyond 30fps on Xbox One X, while it's 60fps and even 120fps on Series X. We will get more new games soon.

No, I think "Next Gen" has arrived. Little to no loading times, quick resume features, most games are looking and feeling better than ever.

An example of a game that is truly "Next Gen" would be Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart. It wouldn't run properly on "Last Gen" consoles or lower end PCs. Digital Foundry has proven that.

@themightyant

Agree lines between gens are thinner, especially on the graphics front, but this has been amplified due to the mid-gen consoles last gen.

I don't personally think the lines between gens is much thinner given the leap from PS3 to PS4 was similarly small. You are right, though, that mid-gen consoles did smooth out the curve, making it harder to notice the difference across gens.

At the end, though, gens are usually way more differentiated not by the power, but by evolution in game design, as well as a few things that just were not possible before. The biggest leap ever was the introduction of pixel shaders in the X360/PS3 generation, something that we didnt see in real action until mid-gen (compare how amazing Halo 4 looks compared to Halo 3.

We will never see another leap of that visual magnitude, I don't think. Ray tracing has the potential to do that, but it is still in its infancy and we are getting gradual steps. By the time its making a big difference, we will have seen plenty of iterations, so there wont be any single giant leap. Wont ever be as incredible as the leap into pixel shaders.

Things we can expect to make huge differences are more in the game design department. Larger areas thanks to higher memory pools, faster transitions and more complex open world experiences thanks to faster storage solutions and technologies like Direct Storage, and way more natural procedural animation techniques thanks to more CPU processing power. Characters that move more organically and react more realistically to the world around them, etc. Still, all of this will be gradual, and has been going on for the last decade and a half.

I just hope devs stop designing above the specs just because of how amazing a static screenshot can look. I will be extremely disappointed if we fall back again on a 30fps standard.

@NorthwestEagle That's the best thing about Xbox and the worst about Nintendo and Sony, for me. Xbox is a combination of the best of the console and PC worlds

Yes. So far the only true next gen game I've experienced is flight simulator. everything else feels like if I turn off the ray tracing and drop it to 30fps it would work on a stock ps4/xbox one.

Honestly I think console gaming is going to be just like PC gaming has been for a long time. There's no real "generations" and just a slow improvement in various areas year on year.

The stark differences of the "retro" eras is gone.

What is next-gen? Even the newly announced shiny PS5 Pro (due in holiday season 2024) is expected to feature a graphics card based on PC midrange of current generation AMD Radeon 7800/7700. The current "next-gen" consoles realeased in 2020 feature the main processor that is already 3 generations old (ZEN2 vs upcoming ZEN5) and graphics that is 1 generation old (RDNA2)... Next-gen is thus midrange PC standard

Both camps Sony and Microsoft have failed this generation of consoles with false promises of Direct Storage and other next generation features before release. Furthermore a "pro" version would cement me being a PC gamer going forward.

I have both consoles. So far, the only game that gave me next-gen vibes was the Demon Souls remake. Other than that, still waiting.

There lingering questions that remain 3 years into this gen:

1. Which titles actually use DirectStorage?
2. How optimized are 3rd party games for Series X?
3. Is the Series S|X SDK performant?
4. Will mess shaders be utilized in-engine in this generation?

People seem to have forgotten COVID set everything back. The chip shortage alone created havoc worldwide. I think a lot of devs had to scramble just to bring games to market in a timely manner.

For expectations of engine changes sure. For features I turn off aka HDR, motion blur, film grain, ray tracing for proper performance. XD

If the game design doesn't I'll never have to upgrade. New hardware should mean new ideas/less restrictions yet 3+ years and well..... It takes times but still not seeing it. That or I mean Indies, no hardware to push, better ideas sometimes, sometimes older AAA were still untouched ideas and better than Indies (unique ideas sure, nostalgia yeah no thanks). Sure I'll get some games later like Ride 5 maybe or certain others but otherwise I have no care to upgrade to current gen at all. Same reason I barely used PS4/Xbox One when family had them. I use them more regularly now not just because oh their old but it's because I saw enough games to get for it/bargain trips or new game trips have been worth it in some years when they were relevant and now not.

Covid and other things aside of new consoles, engine tweaks, whatever of abandoning old gen and still old gen elements in the games because of course they did. As if their delays didn't mean they could you know chance things to be less limited yet they somewhat still were. I mean open worlds sure but smaller scale games like why?

Also the nostalgia marketing and eh design hasn't helped me care either on either platform. I don't fall for it. My favourite games the past few years have been ones I've researched and never played before on literally old consoles, only a handful are new games on old/current gen I've played on old gen. Family have access to current gen. I don't care to upgrade the price/benefits aren't compelling to me. Even Dualsense features let alone Quick Resume (more so digital and I have no digital on Xbox so....... I can't use it as a disk owner) are fine but I don't care enough to use them.

Even then Switch is fine it's a PS3/360 handheld with some good first party (I don't play the casual ones that have bad update paths so..... not denying those are bad. I don't buy a Nintendo system for the Mario/Zelda I play the other IPs so my expectations are different), Vita third parties I wanted but is it more exciting then I was for the Wii U in 2018 no.... no it wasn't. Granted I'm buying only games I don't own on it (old games from older or PS3/360/PS4/Xbox One/current gen). But still it's a few handheld. It's just not as exciting as the Wii U was for me. That or the Wii U being my first return to Nintendo was more magical I guess but eh just something about the Wii U was more exciting as dual screens and gyro improvements to me. Same with Vita and it's features. For how failed they were I was surprised how good they were to use and play games with.

For game design to actually feel next gen it hasn't so I'm still on old gen (sure not much will happen there but I mean sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't but good ideas = that regardless of hardware but we get eh ideas so.....). I mean PS4/Xbox One of a bit better than last gen sure. Better textures than 1080p + ok textures depending on the design but mostly 720p games. But this time around PS3/360 gen part 3 has made me just so uninterested. I haven't cared since 2016+ for Sony to actually make games I can actual care to buy. Xbox I mean it sits there and I play third parties or the exclusives I rethought about.

But otherwise 2016+ I bought 2 Vitas 1 in 2017 (2000 model), another in 2022 (OLED 1000 model), a Wii U Deluxe in 2018, a New 3DS XL in 2020, a Switch in 2021 Christmas, a N64 a few months ago and 2 games. I have a GBA SP in mind if it's available still and for a reasonable price to get access to GB games (got an OG DS for GBA games I got inbetween around 2020 or so) besides a GB OG (too expensive).

Bought so much sixth/seventh game console and handheld games I literally haven't cared.

Even 2023 I bought the 2022 games I didn't get around to on PS4 as many of them were well Square games (and some AAs/Indies I just got on PS4 as well because that's the copies they had) besides the odd on Xbox One like Demon Turf physical (digital elsewhere thanks Smart Delivery), FM6 to complete the series need FM1 still, Ride 2 was a copy I got like Ride 1 on 360 not 8th gen. I like owning it and the 2020+ 8th gen games to see how they run how bad are the last gen versions and decent I'd say they haven't disappointed me at all whether the Square 2022 releases, Grid Legends, Biomutant runs as bad as FM7 does on Xbox One X it's hilarious for load times. But the others on PS4 nah reasonable times I'd say, ok performance some have hitched but thrown me off no not at all. Even Wanted Dead runs how I'd expect for a game of it's type and less buggy then Devil's Third and I beat that game twice and it's playable on Wii U no updates to either games.

So yeah I've had my first and third parties or second party deals but enough for me to care to upgrade to PS5/Series consoles no. The benefits are worth it no doubt I can tell but I'm not disappointed or that eager to spend hundreds on those consoles than I have old games or old consoles.

The enhancements are there no doubt but the UI, the folders are just (give me PS4 folders not the Xbox One style groups on all PS5/Switch to seriously I hate these).

The game design needs to change or I don't care. I know buying a new console means your likely to access them then old gen I get that but I mean if we don't even see it anyway eh not that much a sacrifice I find.

Sure they aren't as enhanced and some have upgrades but am I missing out no.

I felt the same way with the PS3 to the PS4 I used it a fair amount even before I collected more for my PS3 let alone played a few titles on PS4 sure but most of the time I knew from 2016+ 8th onwards wasn't for me so I went collecting old consoles and games as well as third parties and been happy to do that with any Indies, AAs or the odd very particular AAAs every since.

Once mortal kombat 1 is out next gen has started for me

@GuyinPA75 People like you are everything that is wrong with our nonsense, modern, capitalist culture.

@thebizniznizbiz I try to do my best.

@bpomber Agreed. It can FEEL next gen with the load times and frame rates (if I'm lucky with my S).

But the Matrix demo was the only thing I've seen that LOOKED immediately next gen, to these old peepers anyway.