
Well, we've officially moved into the territory where one of the big three Xbox franchises (Halo, Gears, Forza) will no longer be console exclusive - as Horizon 5 plans its PS5 course this spring. I've been preparing myself for this moment for a while now, especially with all of the rumours going around, so this doesn't really feel like a huge blow as an Xbox fan. In fact, I'm totally fine with this three-year old racer moving over to another console — it deserves to get more players at this point — but I'm not sure I'll feel the same way about a day one release.
And, this is where my mixed feelings on this whole multiplatform push come into play. PS5 fans getting older Xbox games doesn't feel like a huge deal, especially in a world where we've enjoyed them on Game Pass for years before they move over. Of course, there's the argument that Microsoft's core franchises could still be kept as Xbox exclusive, and that's a valid argument - but I ultimately fall in the 'more players is a good thing' camp when it comes to titles like FH5.
However, this announcement does feel like it's moved the needle a bit, and it's still going to take time to get used to this new future we're all living in. Yes, I know, Phil Spencer has dropped these "no red lines" comments in recent times, but it definitely feels a little different when something like Forza actually starts to move over. And, I may need a bit more time to get used to a Forza game potentially launching on other platforms day one, which ultimately feels like a real possibility with Horizon 6.
Look, by the time Forza Horizon 6 is real and actually launches, I may have a much different mindset - free from the shackles of console exclusives and happy to see the game reach more players. Still, I can't admit that the prospect doesn't feel a bit weird right now, especially as a huge Forza fan since the very first title on OG Xbox. What Turn 10 and Playground have built over the years has always been a great reason to visit the platform, but we're probably going to have to get used to PS5 (and potentially Switch 2) being an option for these games as well.
At that point, we'll still have Xbox Game Pass to shout from the rooftops about, which is set to become even more valuable now that Microsoft is becoming such a huge video game publisher. Getting all of these titles day one on GPU is nothing to sniff at, and that definitely provides value as an Xbox customer - I'll just have to get used to not being able to champion Forza Horizon as a fantastic reason to buy an Xbox console. PS5 players, you're getting an incredible racer with FH5, and it'll be interesting to see what world we're living in when Forza Horizon 6 comes to town.
Do you have mixed feelings about Forza going to PS5? Or are you firmly in one camp or the other? Keep calm and discuss all of this down below.
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More players will be a huge benefit to the franchise. This is welcome news for me.
Like the PS Exec said
"When Phil and his team are putting amazing content on more platforms, who's the victim? I've been asking a lot of people like 'who's the victim?' and there aren't any, except for people who are just like 'well I want it [games] only where I bought it and that's what I expect'."
There's zero issue with this and it only benefits the studio, the platform, and the game itself. It's win win imo.
@Kaloudz In what way does it benefit the platform? By killing it?
Another user answered you perfectly in the last post, the victims are the Xbox consumers who invested hundreds if not thousands on our digital libraries that will get stuck on an unsustained platform eventually. That’s the concern.
I bought my first Xbox, a series X last year so I could play some of the exclusives I’d missed out on in the past. Halo, Gears of War, etc, then I’d sell the console, satisfied I’d tried them out.
I’m not a driving game fan. At all. So out of curiosity I fired up Horizon 4 on gamepass expecting to play for ten minutes and then delete.
Nearly a year later, I have bought Forza Horizon 2 and 3 on disc, and the ultimate editions of 4 and 5 digitally with no plans to sell the series X.
That said? I will also get Horizon 5 on PS5, possibly even the ultimate edition, and it will also be my preferred platform for Horizon 6 whenever that comes out. I HOPE for day one on there, but I’ll happily play it on gamepass or just buy it outright on X as well as PS5 if it isn’t. Hell, I might buy it for both platforms anyway, just because I’ve enjoyed the series so much. Put your money where your mouth is, right?
Maybe MS will implement cross-play for the Horizon series future releases so XBox and PS5 owners can enjoy the playground together!
It's out years on Xbox and will sell well on playstation and/or switch so they might aswell make a few more quid out of a game I wouldn't say is making much money for them right now exclusively on Xbox!
„Keep calm and discuss all of this down below.” You can’t seriously think that this is what is going to happen here Ben? Brace yourselves for another massive overreaction comments section, full of doom and gloom (but also clicks). This is another article on this topic. Can we talk more about games coming to Xbox please?
I am of the stance that console exclusives are only bad and have had this stance for years now.
I see the news about Horizon 5 and I'm happy that the days of console exclusives are behind us.
Now if only Sony(and Nintendo) would return the favor and start releasing their exclusives on Xbox(and on PC, in the case of Nintendo), I'd be very happy because it means more people get access to everything, wherever they may play games.
@dskatter Actually FH5 will support cross-play on launch so that’s nice, if they also support cross save I might consider buying it on PS5, now my only regret is that I bought the expansions on Xbox.
@IOI Every platform becomes unsupported eventually. If MS stopped making new consoles tomorrow, how does that devalue your current game library? Plus, digital purchases are just indefinite rentals anyway, they aren’t forever.
Besides, Sony doesn’t make PS3 or Vita consoles anymore, yet I can still download my purchased games for them, even though they’re indefinite rentals for essentially dead platforms.
Also, that’s awesome about cross play, thanks for that info! Cross-save would be AMAZING.
@IOI what is the difference of buying it on Xbox or ps you’re playing the same thing on a plastic box that has the same specs
I'm sure this is the game Sony is going to be paying attention to as it's the first Xbox game on PS that "plays in the same waters" as their own games.
As I've said from day one, my concern about this push is not PS/Nintendo users playing these games. These are great games that more people should play. Even more so when it's a multiplayer live service game like Forza Horizon.
I support the concept of a platform-agnostic future, I don't think this is going to achieve that.
It's the unintended effects that give me pause. We've watched Xbox sales drop 30% quarter after quarter. I'm sure this push will do wonders for Xbox earnings but seems unlikely to boost console numbers. We've also seen third-party publishers look at platform sales and go "We're done" and support becomes dependent on being paid.
Suffice to say, I am really interested in how MS plans on winning the next-gen on "features". This could be more exciting than the actual performance of the thing.
I don't care if PS will get the next game in the series day and date or that the most recent one is coming to PS5, but MS clearly isn't interested in selling consoles if they do the former. More than one thing can be true, people.
@abe_hikura that's been my argument. That isn't console wars, it's just a fact-based observation. Xbox console sales are declining. That's been correlating with day and date releases on multiple platforms.
I simply don’t care at this point. I’ll continue to watch MS gaming flourish while the Xbox brand becomes a subscription slogan.
@IOI
I don't know how we can be a victim when nothing has been taken from us. The exact opposite, now that AKB is a MS company, their games come to GamePass on Day One now.
The only people killing the XB platform are people who get overly dramatic about MS shipping games on other platforms.
Pretty much agree with everything this article talks about. If Xbox users get the game day and date on Game Pass, and a period of exclusivity, then I'm at ease with the idea of iconic franchises going to PlayStation. What irks me is the lack of clear communication from Xbox instead, we're getting snippets from interviews and leakers. The theory of higher revenues from such decisions leading to more investment in studios and Game Pass is one that makes sense, and will help to boost Xbox further, but we need to start seeing evidence of this over time.
Quite simply, if Xbox fail to provide better value for Xbox users, stop day one releases on game pass, or release day and date on other platforms then that's when I have to think about my future with the Xbox brand
I own Series X and PlayStation 5Pro so I’m fine with it (and the inevitable arrival of Starfield, Gears and Halo on ‘rival’ platforms). Im just still not sure what the end game is.
Short term it is easy to see the logic, more ££s. Longer term I’m not so sure - maybe 1.they’ve given up on consoles and beyond this gen will become a third party publisher (gradually winding down console support and Gamepass); or 2. They are confident that next-gen their ‘console’ is 100% PC compatible and they have a plan to transfer game libraries and Gamepass subscriptions to it.
Let's do the economics:
Forza is going to drop onto a Playstation that is probably at least 2 years away from releasing a new Gran Turismo. It is going to make a mountain of money. Later, the MCC is going to release onto a Playstation that has nothing to compare to it except for....COD, which Microsoft also owns. A second mountain of money. Third, really.
This will happen again with Gears. Microsoft is going to make BILLIONS of dollars with this strategy. Sony is already doing this with PC, but they aren't likely to make as much money as Microsoft (thus their recent pivot towards live service).
Sony is selling more plastic boxes, but they and Microsoft both know that the economics of the industry have changed.
I’ve accepted that XBOX is basically a glorified third-party at this point, at least from a consumer perspective. I’m fortunate enough to own all the modern major systems so this news doesn’t really bother me. In fact, it’s nice more people will be able to play this amazing game.
My only disappointment is with Microsoft as a whole this generation. We’re over 4 years in and I haven’t gotten a lot of the big games released or announced that I personally buy an XBOX for. A lot of the big games have been acquired studios, which isn’t a bad thing, but I was hoping for more from Halo, Forza, Gears, and some other niche franchises like Banjo, Conker, Psychonauts, and others. As it stands, it’s been a solid generation for XBOX but a bit underwhelming as well. Still excited, just thought we’d have a bit more by now.
@Daniel1221i do agree that they’re messaging us pretty bad and a case by case basis is why it is. But why does it matter if it’s day and date on everything but on game pass game is is what keeps me on Xbox and a lot of people
@armondo36 I think they would’ve ported to Xbox if Xbox sold more consoles but it’s way more valuable to port to pc and for Xbox to port to ps
@NeoRatt to be fair the amount of people who complain is a small percentage of the overall fan base. You only hear them because they’re the most vocal
Just respect our Xbox console purchases decades of loyalty and years of game pass ultimate just giving all Xbox studio NEW games 6 months exclusivity, COD is the exception due to the deal.
NO YOU CANT EVEN DO THAT FOR US XBOXER’S
AND EVEN BE CLEAR
JUST KEEPING US HANGING ON A THREAD
I'm fine with Microsoft releasing games on rival platforms as long as it doesn't make them give up making hardware. Either this or that I have a way of accessing my library of Xbox purchased games (including third parties) on other platforms.
@Prestige-worldwide yes, the same reason why Sony ports to PC: there are more PC users. But don't be surprised if Sony does eventually port to Xbox. Why NOT take another million sales on your biggest games?
I see no problem with microsoft releasing games on other platforms, but I'm not sure I will buy another Xbox in the future. Thanks to game pass, my library is quite small after 4 four years with my series X, so it won't hurt me leaving Xbox behind.
@TheEstablishment Oh agreed I doubt Xbox is just going to say "womp womp. too bad. so sad" but there are still poor outcomes beyond that.
My worry in that scenario is they go "Look your purchases are safe right here on the cloud, ready anytime along as your paying gamepass"
@armondo36 "But don't be surprised if Sony does eventually port to Xbox"
Your not wrong but it's worth noting that right now Sony isn't porting their "new games" (live service titles excluded), they are making sure every possible sale is made on PS5 before launching on PC.
I think once they start launching games day and date on PC and their budgets swell again then they'll start looking at Xbox and Nintendo for "older" titles repeating the cycle again.
I've stayed out of the main article breaking this news to preserve my sanity 🙃.
But here I would like to add that PlayStation players who never played the Horizon games will be in for an absolute treat. FH5 is a fantastic game, enjoy!
At this point I'd suggest that it doesn't make any sense to not have all of Xbox's games on Playstation day 1, when their biggest franchise is now COD and everything is day 1 on PC anyway, why keep anything exclusive to a box which is constantly declining in sales?
The reality is that I've enjoyed many Xbox games over the years but these days none of them on their console, my PC is how I play Xbox games
@abe_hikura and that's fine. I think not getting games day and date is a fair compromise to help people who still want the competition.
@abe_hikura Exactly that I believe is the most likely outcome in a few years, they’ll say “Xbox is at the center of everything we do however we tried out best selling hardware but response from fans hasn’t been as expected” essentially blaming us for not buying it, followed by “but since Xbox is everywhere you don’t need to worry as you can still play your library on the Cloud 💀” or some other corporate BS they’ve been feeding us since 2013.
Forza Horizon 6 will be day 1 PS5, mark my words. There is simply no benefit at all to not doing so. Push Square is now reporting that Fable is rumoured for a day 1 PS5 launch, corroborated by multiple sources on Reddit. The floodgates are open.
@IOI Again a lot of people don't understand. FH5 going multiplatform to PlayStation 5 (and potentially the Nintendo Switch 2) is like giving away Gran Turismo, God of War, Mario, Zelda away to Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo respectively.
And as I said previously, if Xbox consoles are gonna continue to decline then 3rd party companies will start skipping it seeing that there is no value in it. They will instead go to PC, PS5 and Nintendo Switch 2.
PlayStation and Nintendo have no reason to put games on Xbox when their hardware is doing well. PlayStation's main issue is that their games cost way too much money to make so I think PlayStation porting games to PC day 1 will eventually happen down the line. Nintendo is doing its own thing and are successful in their own way and won't go multiplatform. Multiplatform will actually kill Nintendo.
@IOI It's not going to kill the platform at all. Did it kill Xbox by launching on Steam? Would it kill Xbox if this launches (which I think it will) on Switch 2?... O_o
Well, day one release on playstation could happen, still you can argue what's the better deal. 80 euro's per game on playstation or day one on game pass. The choice is yours. I have a game pass subscription, a xbsx and a PS5. No need to buy doom the dark ages on my ps5, because it is on game pass day one.
@Bobski
Don’t be fooled they are playing keep us Xboxers hanging on game, especially when it comes to a potential next generation Xbox.
Just go all in like any other publisher and we know where we are.
Not this pick and choose and maybe when etc.
not sure what games and when, rubbish.
@Bobski as much as I’d like for a new console to be shown I don’t think it’ll be this year maybe next year and I really hope it allows other apps like steam and GoG on it. And I agree I played Indiana jones and enjoyed it, not once was thinking I can’t believe ps is getting this, I got to play it that’s what matters
@Bobski
True it would not take away any enjoyment.
It boils down to if you knew all Xbox studios game where coming to PS5 or PS6 day one or within say 6 months then I could just buy one less console and have the PS5/PS6.
Any other publisher like EA does day one series x and PS5.
Microsoft are just leaving us guessing and probably because they don’t want to loose the Xbox console game pass subscriptions.
@NeoRatt it's not about being a victim it's about xbox sending a message we don't care if our console platform dies, there sales are down, due to going a whole gen with practically nothing and launching this gen with very games then, all the flops followed by all the mixed messaging to the point everyone now knows they plan to release all future games on PS meaning gamepass is the only reason to own an Xbox, but not all games release on GP so third parties are not gonna support a console the platform holder has given up on. And sorry MS don't have enough quality first party games to have them be enticing enough to purchase a console for alone. So they might ***** out some hyper expensive PC like box next gen so they can claim they were not lying about leaving the console space but it will be DOA. As someone who has gotten used to having most of my games available on one device it will suck that I will have to have an XSX taking up space next to my PS6 or gaming PC or what ever I get next gen, it sure as ***** won't be a system that will receive the fewest next gen games which the next Xbox will 10 times fewer than the XSX
@Bobski
I’m subbed until GPU March 2027.
Have a Pro as well.
Getting over the initial it’s not that much better slowly 🤣
it's not going to kill the platform at all. Did it kill Xbox by launching on Steam? Would it kill Xbox if this launches (which I think it will) on Switch 2?... O_o
You are absolutely right, @Kaloudz. Putting their games on Steam did not kill Xbox. What it did do though was negate the need to own an Xbox if you had a PC, or were thinking of getting one, and thus very likely contributed to the decline in sales of the Xbox console, which has resulted in Xbox being on life-support and necessitating them putting their tentpole game (and future games) on the PlayStation.
Let's face it, do you honestly think Microsoft would be doing this is business was hunky dory? Microsoft are doing this because the have to in order to survive. This is Nadella's last throw of the dice after having chosen to keep Xbox going at the beginning of this generation. When Nadella made that decision, he clearly did not foresee just how poorly the Series consoles would sell in comparison to the PS5. I imagine, if Nadella knew back then, what he knows now, that the Series generation would never have taken place at all, which is why I am not 100% certain the there will be a next generation. Nadella may still choose to pull the plug, and take Microsoft gaming fully third-party (and have great success in doing so)...
@Bobski
With some games the pro sort of just seems to sharpen them up a bit etc and keep 60fps.
I play on a top end 65” TV and the differences from PS5 or Series x to PS5 Pro are no way as big as some make out and that includes DF.
Would love them to come round and show me on my set up, without a 200x zoom process.
The best looking Pro came claimed by DF HFW burning shore does not even use PSSR, so that tells you something as well.
I know Xbox have really frustrated me but Sony have frustrated me just as much for different reasons.
@Valhura
Actions should be based on facts not emotions.
Your post is void of facts other than it sounds like you don't like MS first party content and I can agree that MS was light on good content both last generation and to start this generation.
If you are not getting an XB next generation then I am not sure why you feel it necessary to comment on this site anymore. Personally, if I was leaving XB next gen I wouldn't care about coming back to post here.
@Prestige-worldwide
Agreed. But, this is an XB site (In fact PureXbox lol). If people are no longer interested or feel victimized by XB, I would encourage them to "move on" and join the PS or whatever community they want to join next.
People can whine all day, but with how successful MS appears to be with multi-platforming their games I don't see them caring too much what these people are saying. Maybe, it is time they move on and switch to the community they are going to next rather than making whining and toxic posts here.
I would also encourage Pure Xbox to no longer act as if every game that releases on another platform is somehow news. MS is clear. They have no sacred franchises that they won't ship on other devices. To me, these articles qualify as stoking the fire more than being actual news. Let's talk about Doom, Avowed, and the rest of the games we are getting this year. Not a bunch of people crying after decisions have been made.
I genuinely believe that Microsoft will keep all of our purchases safe for a long time after we even care to play them.
Bespoke hardware will be irrelevant after PS6 and Xbox Prime anyway.
@Fishysensei the age of exclusives is not behind us at all. The age of Xbox exclusives is behind us to the pleasure of PlayStation and Nintendo fans.
Interesting release besides NFS Inbound or the Crew. Not my thing but more power/audience access by all means.
Dual sense teiggithrn Impulse triggers would be interesting to see. Does Forza Horizon series have that? I assume so.
Seeing as no MotorStorm/Driveclub and no open world/arcade one to replace it, (WipEout Rush was so bad and a manager format, or game design people didn't want from the series anyway, I'd take a GT4 B spec manager mode not actual manager games), Sony won't, so why not.
More to fill in gaps, more money for Microsoft, I don't see the problem, it's clear why they do it. I don't see an issue, they aren't making an only this controller playable games or otherwise hardware being used, so they aren't hard to port.
Microsoft had GBC games before Rare had GBA games during Microsoft purchase. Sega had Saturn/Dreamcast games and PC releases. No console games on PC rule ever existed. Money is money. Office/Internet Explorer or Edge on any platform. Like none of this is new. XD
Sega fans had 3 platforms to jump to games of to get their Sega IP fix.
Microsoft will keep the console around or push cloud. I don't see the problem they have more options then third parties by having the console around then not. It's up to the customer what they want.
Hardcore use an Xbox. I use mine for it's more then Sony/Nintendo app support, more then I did PC where no need to. Quick resume is cool, back compat. I think Xbox is fine software wise besides eh OS but that's besides the point.
I don't care for PS/Xbox first party in the slightest, but those that do do so more power to you all. Those studios disappointed me so I gave up on all of them yes even Astro it's not what I wanted from the series let alone Sackboy, Ratchet, GT. Xbox I barely care for the Xbox One exclusives yet own a fair amount that did interest me so a fair amount, not this Series/PS5 gen at all.
I have no platform bias I use them all I just prefer Switch and even then I don't think highly of Switch 2 YET. I'm more into retro games/collecting for PS1-4/Xbox to Xbox One and N64 to Switch (DS/PSP/3DS/Vita too) then ever since 2017 when buying those old systems I didn't have to fill in gaps.
Doesn't effect me in the slightest.
2024 was my retro year while modern gaming couldn't care less what released. XD
Too bad Motorsport 8 sucks and Horizon was never my thing.
Getting into NFS games the old ones and it's been fun, not played 2012+ but 2015 reboot was.... Ok not as fun as Undercover or Carbon my open world entries or any of the linear ones.
I could try the Crew but I doubt I'd like it. 2's other vehicles seems like a cool idea but may not be and besides DRM thing as well. I'm not in a rush to play the series.
I have played Forza Horizon 1 and 3 briefly, not my thing. No context for how bad 4 & 5 are from what people have said launch or otherwise and don't want to know.
@Fiendish-Beaver Putting their games on Steam did not kill Xbox. What it did do though was negate the need to own an Xbox if you had a PC, or were thinking of getting one, and thus very likely contributed to the decline in sales of the Xbox console
That's not factually backed up though, because the PS put their games on PC and there's no decline there. It could be said that there's been a decline to some degree due to cloud gaming and the whole "This is an Xbox" campaign. It's second guessing and no one will ever know the reason behind the demographic shifts.
Like I said earlier, people complaining that Xbox will die due to multiplat (because why buy Xbox when you can get Xbox on PS) is mute when it's the same as saying "Why buy a PS or an Xbox when you can get both on PC". We wont know the effects until next gen, and based on what MS have said about the next gen console being the biggest technological leap in any generation, as well as being feature competitive, is enough to be excited for - and we shouldn't be writing them off just yet.
Their next console could absolutely smash it out of the park if they're making lofty claims this early on.
@SMJ I wouldn’t mind them doing as Stadia and giving us a full refund for all those digital purchases!
Even at 50% I’d cash out.
@anoyonmus Microsoft don’t make any money on console sales anyway. It’s just a software delivery system for them. If you buy them on another platform they make just as much money.
It doesn't bother me that yet another 'old' game is releasing on another platform. As an Xbox Console owner, I was able to play it first 'exclusively' in the Console space on Xbox Hardware. I of course know it wasn't actually 'exclusive' to Xbox Hardware as it released on PC and could effectively be played on ANY hardware, except Nintendo/Sony Hardware.
Even if Xbox Hardware were to 'end', my Xbox Digital Library would likely be playable on PC as Microsoft games tend to be 'Play Anywhere'. It maybe a different story with 3rd Party Published games. I would expect more chance with Microsoft preserving my Digital Libraries than Sony who will likely want to resell remakes/remasters for each new Generation and their games are 'locked' to Playstation (you can't play Spider-Man 2 on PC with your PS5 'licence' but can play Starfield on PC if you bought on Xbox) and cloud saves too make it easy to jump between platforms with the Xbox ecosystem.
MS may well release every game on Playstation eventually - but you'll have to wait for it to be Ported, won't have the option to play on a Sub Service 'Day 1' and likely locked to Playstation Hardware ONLY. With Xbox, you may not 'need' to buy their Hardware, but if you do, you get the option of Game Pass, get to play games Day 1, not months or years later, can also play natively on PC or stream to any Cloud enabled devices as well as play on any Xbox. The fact that I 'own' the PC version too if I buy on Xbox means I likely have the best chance of preserving my Digital Library. Console Generations may affect the preservation, but that is far less an issue with PC.
Xbox still seems to be the best place to play Microsoft's Games - they'll likely release first, certainly be in Game Pass and give me more choice on how I wish to 'play'.
Its nothing about being a Forza HORIZON fan (there are no Forza fans anymore, they killed that franchise). Its about being an Xbox console fan and if you are fine with this and everything else going to Xbox which is clearly and 100% happening now.
And you can't be fine with it.
@NeoRatt Not sure what I said that is not factual, Redfall, Flight SIM 2024, Crackdown, Hellblade walking sim borathon. Archaic Starfield. No Halo for 10 years then we get a game with serious multi-player issues, about 30% of the content of a normal game, bland open world with no variation out side or inside, Gears of war franchise gone full bland, fighting toasters, no dark gritty setting, Forza, huge wait for the worst game in the series, terrible decisions made with campaign and MP, fell way short of GT in terms of graphics even though it came out after GT and had a longer Dev cycle, I could go on but you get the picture. Also a platform needs to sell a critical mass of consoles to get third party support, once it does not you have a Dreamcast WiiU situation where both had great exclusives but 3rd party abandoned it. So this is the trajectory Xbox is on. I have been an Xbox gamer since the the OG xbox, I have over 400 owned games in my xbox digital library and close to 150 physical games in my 360 og xbox library. I own an XSX so I really dont think I need your permission to comment on things that directly effect me as an xbox consumer. If you want to stick your head in the sand and think xbox putting their games on PC and PS5 won't reduce sales of xbox when we see the proof in every sales update you do you.
The thing is Sony doesn't have many new games to begin with, and they're all coming to PC. As long as you get your Xbox games and purchases are respected like they have guaranteed, and Game Pass grants access to all first-party games, all the Xbox stuff is good, cheaper and is available sooner on Xbox and PC, and if PC didn't kill Xbox, PS won't. Never ever.
Since Play Anywhere started, all Xbox games are on PC on day one. These ports are for the die-hard PS fans that won't consider Xbox nor PC even when they're a better deal, and I'm sure Microsoft sees it this way. They basically said it, that some gamers won't play their games elsewhere, so financially it makes sense to bring them to their favourite console, especially now that they are the biggest publisher.
One last thing about the mixed messaging, haven't you realised that Sony and Nintendo don't communicate at all? All the radical strategy changes from Sony this generation were unexpected, and Nintendo is the most secretive company. Is it a mistake being honest when asked, knowing that plans may change? Yes, probably. On this topic, stick to the case by case basis with no red lines.
Wow! Seriously, @Kaloudz? Sony have put literally a handful of games on to Steam. Microsoft put every game on the PC. There is literally no comparison...
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I'm not fine actually. U give the most exclusive to sony U basically got nothing except money.
If U want to port, why port such as ORI or sunset quantum break, record first?
@Kaloudz Xbox is the victim when less people buy the next gen console because it has no exclusive games.
@RadioHedgeFund the sensible thing to do at this point is for MS to pull out of hardware and sell, sell, sell on third party hardware. It’s a gold mine of IP.
Despite the warnings nearly 2 years’ ago, it’s insane to see Forza Horizon 5 on my wish list on PS Store.
I used to have a Series X and sold it to concentrate on PS and PC when it became clear they were pulling out/going full slate. It was a shame but in the UK very few people have Xbox and I didn’t want to pump more money into a dying console.
I have mixed feelings about the whole thing… makes financial sense for MS to go full slate and share all the great games they have and make lots of money. I can however see that long term Xbox fans feel mugged off.
I’ve FH5 on Xbox PC and will double dip on PS5.
I think the future of Microsoft Gaming is secure but Xbox hardware is gone. I think that is OK.
Just my views.
@Fiendish-Beaver Of course the comparison is fair. Sony will continue to put their games on PC as time flies by. It's no secret that MS and PS are gearing up to chew into the ever-expanding PC market.
@JH64 Sorry but I think you're wrong. I don't see why people would even think, given all that MS has done these past few years, they'd be leaving the market any time soon. That's just not going to happen.
@Isolte Haha, I think me and you could do this till the day we're on deckchairs bud. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree and see where time takes us lol.
It's not a fair comparison, @Kaloudz, and you are smart enough to know it! You are clutching at straws in an attempt to justify what Microsoft are doing. Microsoft are doing it because the console side of their business is failing, and they need to diversify in order to survive. Sony are doing it because they need to recoup the costs of their game development.
Microsoft are doing it with every game day and date. Sony are doing it with some games and are doing it with mostly years between release on the PlayStation and then on the PC.
It is as comparable as black and white, though I guess you would say black and white are the same because they are both colours... 😉
@Fiendish-Beaver I mean, technically, black isn't a colour
But like above my good friend, I'm going to have to agree to disagree, and suggest seeing where time takes us. As always though bro, I appreciate that you can hold a good conversation despite sitting on opposite sides of the spectrum from myself.
Agree to disagree, @Kaloudz. I'm good with that. So long as we agree that I am right...! 🤣
@Fiendish-Beaver 🤣🤣🤣 You're right about one thing, beavers can be fiendish.
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