Good to see these enhancements coming but....I’d much rather see 30FPS games boosted to 60. I’ve not got a 120hz display and no intention of buying one for years. Selfish yes but I suspect a lot of people are in the same boat.
It's very hard to see Nintendo leaving the hardware business while they're successful in it. They currently have a big niche of the market to themselves.
In the case of the Switch, actually Hardware sales are profit for them-they stated in their Financial report before Switch even launched that it wouldn't sell at a loss so it will certainly be profitable now, and Nintendo usually do profit from their Hardware. If they were to leave the Hardware business they would give up profits from Console Hardware, profits from peripheral sales and profits from third-party sales (which is basically risk-free money for Nintendo regardless of what users buy on other systems). Even worse, they'd have to give up a huge chunk of their biggest revenue stream as they'd pay Licensing fees to MS/Sony on their first-party games. Simply put, the only way Nintendo would leave the Hardware business if their systems stop selling.
There are plenty of possible Tie ins that could work for both Nintendo and Microsoft.
Xcloud is possible on Switch as long as Microsoft can make it worth Nintendo’s while financially. You could restrict Xcloud on Switch to a selection of games that aren’t on the system but it’s still likely to hit Nintendo’s third-party sales so it will come down to whether the compensation on offer from Microsoft will cover that.
Or maybe we get some Game Pass functionality without Xcloud. There are plenty of games on Game Pass and Switch-the Oris, the Dooms, the Wolfensteins, Hellblade, Minecraft, Skyrim. Maybe GPU subscribers could access them with Nintendo getting ‘per play’ revenue. Works towards MS goal of engagement on many platforms and could generate extra revenue for Nintendo.
Finances aside it could be mutually beneficial. Switch gets extra third party support and Microsoft gets another Avenue for Game Pass Ultimate, including Japan.
In fact being realistic I think it’s more likely we’ll see MS try and leverage the absolute dominance of the Switch in Japan to try and get a foothold there themselves. A Switch port of Master Chief Collection, or even just Halo CE would be great marketing for Halo Infinite (and a big boon for Nintendo Switch Online). Maybe we’ll see ports of older Forza and Gears games to Switch before their new iterations on Xbox.
The other question is Rare Replay. Several games on there are actually 360 games running under emulation. They would probably have to be ported individually to Switch. Doable of course but how much effort would it take and how much cost? How much work to include games like Donkey Kong 64, Diddy Kong Racing and Starfox Adventures that aren’t on Xbox because of licensing issues with Nintendo? Personally I suspect it would be worth it as the Switch Userbase would absolutely lap it up but they would want to get the calculations right.
Could we please use Xbox Live on Switch somehow? Quietly take NSO out?
Lastly that recent Battletoads game is perfect for the Switch.
Took the plunge (get a discount with Currys through work and had a Gift Card from them not delivering something before Christmas). No doubt a luxury product but what the heck.
Yeah I totally understand. I love it, it’s genuinely helped rekindle my love for Gaming because even though my Gaming time is limited, it gives me so much freedom to try games risk free. If I’ve paid for a game I feel obligated to work really hard at it, then if I don’t like it I really feel I’ve wasted my precious time.
However I totally get that it’s not for everyone. In fact being selfish, I’d prefer it not to be for everyone. The more ways there are for people to access Gaming-physical, digital, subscription, a variety of different platforms-the better for the Consumer.
In my ideal world Sony, MS and Nintendo would all have 33.33% of the Console market and then each platforms software sales would be split evenly between the different delivery methods. I want them to work to earn my money and me to have choice of how to give it to them.
I reckon there’s more chance of MS including WiFi so you can buy more games or (drumroll) access the ones you have with Game Pass. Now did we mention the other benefits of Game Pass....
Fair play for fixing it but what on Earth were they thinking?! They haven’t made many missteps recently but doubling the price of a service without any meaningful improvement was just madness.
According to the interviews on Bloomberg MS were interested in Square before launch of the OG XBox. Sony only bought their share in late 2001 after the movie flopped.
That’s definitely where Microsoft could have taught them something. The two companies are light years apart in the Online sphere. They’re light years apart on many other things though-can you imagine MS trying to persuade Nintendo, the firm that hates icing any discounts on its own software, to put Breath of the Wild 2 on Gamepass?
They’re never going to get anywhere near that 250 million combined figure again though. That was before the market they’d been enthusiastically milking with the Wii and DS decided it would rather do most of its gaming on Mobile phones and tablets.
They’re doing very well with the Switch. They’ll be well past 70 million now (sales were 68 million plus at end of September) in less than 4 years and software sales are very impressive.
Glad hat didn’t work out. It certainly wouldn’t have been good for Nintendo. Maybe it would have been for MS but I think they were better trying to form their own identity.
It certainly wouldn’t have been good for gamers. The current state of play with three big competitors on increasingly diverging paths is great for us.
Really want to give Call of the Sea a try at some point but juggling too many other games to get round to it yet. I know, I know, first world problems....
It seems to have stopped its downward price spiral just above what I was waiting for. 😐 Heard stories about the Autosave bug that has put me off too. Thanks for the feedback though, it’s definitely on my wanted list just maybe not right at the top.
Definitely something they need to be looking at. Not a big issue this early on (especially as it isn’t every game anyway) but by this time next year they will need to be able to claim at least parity, ideally more. Good to see them acknowledge the issue rather than stick their head in the sand.
Assassins Creed Unity (staying offline to avoid the update) running at 60FPS looks great. Star Wars Fallen Order the same, really solid Framerate. The original RDR looks very nice but not sure it’s much of a leap over the One X.
😄 Typically the 3-year-old was fascinated with the box. It’s a big box too. However it’s also pretty plush by the standards of game Console boxes so he was not getting his hands on it.
Getting to have a tinker now. Downloads are slooooooow.
It’s certainly been a factor for me. I rarely buy systems at launch. Over my 32 years of owning my own Games devices I’ve only done it 3 times. One of the issues is that everything is expensive at launch. Not just the system but the Games and Accessories.
With Series X I can justify the pre order because Game Pass will give me new games for it anyway, my existing library carries over with significant improvements to the games, and I don’t even have to buy new Controllers.
Would love this. I think they need more Casual stuff on Game Pass. People will dip in for stuff like Quiz games, party games etc as GAAS if they don’t have to shell out for the full games.
Just want to echo those saying that the most exciting thing is the potential for the Halo and Halo 2 Campaigns to run properly, there’s some pretty bad frame rate dips in there.
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Re: These 13 Games Are Getting FPS Boosts On Xbox Series X
Good to see these enhancements coming but....I’d much rather see 30FPS games boosted to 60. I’ve not got a 120hz display and no intention of buying one for years. Selfish yes but I suspect a lot of people are in the same boat.
Re: Rumour: Is The Switch On Phil Spencer's Shelf Teasing An Xbox Collab With Nintendo?
@John117
It's very hard to see Nintendo leaving the hardware business while they're successful in it. They currently have a big niche of the market to themselves.
In the case of the Switch, actually Hardware sales are profit for them-they stated in their Financial report before Switch even launched that it wouldn't sell at a loss so it will certainly be profitable now, and Nintendo usually do profit from their Hardware. If they were to leave the Hardware business they would give up profits from Console Hardware, profits from peripheral sales and profits from third-party sales (which is basically risk-free money for Nintendo regardless of what users buy on other systems). Even worse, they'd have to give up a huge chunk of their biggest revenue stream as they'd pay Licensing fees to MS/Sony on their first-party games. Simply put, the only way Nintendo would leave the Hardware business if their systems stop selling.
Re: Rumour: Is The Switch On Phil Spencer's Shelf Teasing An Xbox Collab With Nintendo?
There are plenty of possible Tie ins that could work for both Nintendo and Microsoft.
Xcloud is possible on Switch as long as Microsoft can make it worth Nintendo’s while financially. You could restrict Xcloud on Switch to a selection of games that aren’t on the system but it’s still likely to hit Nintendo’s third-party sales so it will come down to whether the compensation on offer from Microsoft will cover that.
Or maybe we get some Game Pass functionality without Xcloud. There are plenty of games on Game Pass and Switch-the Oris, the Dooms, the Wolfensteins, Hellblade, Minecraft, Skyrim. Maybe GPU subscribers could access them with Nintendo getting ‘per play’ revenue. Works towards MS goal of engagement on many platforms and could generate extra revenue for Nintendo.
Finances aside it could be mutually beneficial. Switch gets extra third party support and Microsoft gets another Avenue for Game Pass Ultimate, including Japan.
In fact being realistic I think it’s more likely we’ll see MS try and leverage the absolute dominance of the Switch in Japan to try and get a foothold there themselves. A Switch port of Master Chief Collection, or even just Halo CE would be great marketing for Halo Infinite (and a big boon for Nintendo Switch Online). Maybe we’ll see ports of older Forza and Gears games to Switch before their new iterations on Xbox.
The other question is Rare Replay. Several games on there are actually 360 games running under emulation. They would probably have to be ported individually to Switch. Doable of course but how much effort would it take and how much cost? How much work to include games like Donkey Kong 64, Diddy Kong Racing and Starfox Adventures that aren’t on Xbox because of licensing issues with Nintendo? Personally I suspect it would be worth it as the Switch Userbase would absolutely lap it up but they would want to get the calculations right.
Could we please use Xbox Live on Switch somehow? Quietly take NSO out?
Lastly that recent Battletoads game is perfect for the Switch.
Re: Xbox Series X Seagate Expansion Card Drops To Lowest UK Price Yet
Took the plunge (get a discount with Currys through work and had a Gift Card from them not delivering something before Christmas). No doubt a luxury product but what the heck.
Re: Guide: All Games With Touch Controls On Xbox Game Pass
Just been playing a bit of Dragon Quest XI and it works. Not great, but serviceable. Wouldn’t fancy it for a lot of games though.
Re: Roundup: Here's What Was Revealed At March's Xbox Indie Showcase
Wow that’s a lot of things. I really didn’t think much of the format though. Too long.
Re: Phil Spencer Says Xbox Could Never Have Designed A Console Like The Nintendo Wii
@__jamiie
Me neither. Great controller at the time, even if it’s obviously been surpassed now.
Re: Phil Spencer Says Xbox Could Never Have Designed A Console Like The Nintendo Wii
@GunValkyrie
Yeah Xbox and Switch are a great combination. If you’re not bothered about Sony exclusives you’re pretty much completely catered for at that point.
Re: Random: The Official Xbox Controller Cake Has Been A Huge Success
I got one of these in January for my (44th) birthday and it was actually really nice. Good to see it’s a success.
Re: Xbox Series X Fix Could Save A 'Large Power Plant's Worth Of Electricity', Says Climate Scientist
Seems a pretty reasonable request TBH. If people change it that’s up to then but makes sense for MS to set the systems to energy-saving as default.
Re: OG Xbox Creator Wants To Know If You'd Buy A New Classic Console
@ThanosReXXX
Agreed 👍
Re: OG Xbox Creator Wants To Know If You'd Buy A New Classic Console
@ThanosReXXX
Yeah I totally understand. I love it, it’s genuinely helped rekindle my love for Gaming because even though my Gaming time is limited, it gives me so much freedom to try games risk free. If I’ve paid for a game I feel obligated to work really hard at it, then if I don’t like it I really feel I’ve wasted my precious time.
However I totally get that it’s not for everyone. In fact being selfish, I’d prefer it not to be for everyone. The more ways there are for people to access Gaming-physical, digital, subscription, a variety of different platforms-the better for the Consumer.
In my ideal world Sony, MS and Nintendo would all have 33.33% of the Console market and then each platforms software sales would be split evenly between the different delivery methods. I want them to work to earn my money and me to have choice of how to give it to them.
Re: OG Xbox Creator Wants To Know If You'd Buy A New Classic Console
@Axlroselm
It gives the impression you think you represent others. Best stick to ‘I’.
Re: OG Xbox Creator Wants To Know If You'd Buy A New Classic Console
@ThanosReXXX
Haha totally understand that. I was just channelling my inner MS exec/Spencer minion. Could see myself in that role. 😀😉
Re: OG Xbox Creator Wants To Know If You'd Buy A New Classic Console
@ThanosReXXX
Well yeah. They could....but....
I reckon there’s more chance of MS including WiFi so you can buy more games or (drumroll) access the ones you have with Game Pass. Now did we mention the other benefits of Game Pass....
Re: OG Xbox Creator Wants To Know If You'd Buy A New Classic Console
@Axlroselm
Who is ‘we?’ You mean ‘I’
Re: OG Xbox Creator Wants To Know If You'd Buy A New Classic Console
Yeah I think so. Depends on the game selection. There’s plenty of first party games that could make it worthwhile if they can survive licensing hell.
Re: Phil Spencer Apologises For 'Angst And Emotion' Caused By Xbox Live Gold Price Hike
Fair play for fixing it but what on Earth were they thinking?! They haven’t made many missteps recently but doubling the price of a service without any meaningful improvement was just madness.
Re: Xbox Highlights 30 Console Launch Exclusives Arriving In 2021
Quite a few I’m looking forward to trying there. Looks like a very promising year.
Re: Nintendo 'Laughed Their Asses Off' At Xbox Acquisition Attempt In 2000
@NEStalgia
According to the interviews on Bloomberg MS were interested in Square before launch of the OG XBox. Sony only bought their share in late 2001 after the movie flopped.
Re: Nintendo 'Laughed Their Asses Off' At Xbox Acquisition Attempt In 2000
@Richnj
That’s definitely where Microsoft could have taught them something. The two companies are light years apart in the Online sphere. They’re light years apart on many other things though-can you imagine MS trying to persuade Nintendo, the firm that hates icing any discounts on its own software, to put Breath of the Wild 2 on Gamepass?
Re: Nintendo 'Laughed Their Asses Off' At Xbox Acquisition Attempt In 2000
@Hypnotoad107
They’re never going to get anywhere near that 250 million combined figure again though. That was before the market they’d been enthusiastically milking with the Wii and DS decided it would rather do most of its gaming on Mobile phones and tablets.
They’re doing very well with the Switch. They’ll be well past 70 million now (sales were 68 million plus at end of September) in less than 4 years and software sales are very impressive.
Re: Nintendo 'Laughed Their Asses Off' At Xbox Acquisition Attempt In 2000
Glad hat didn’t work out. It certainly wouldn’t have been good for Nintendo. Maybe it would have been for MS but I think they were better trying to form their own identity.
It certainly wouldn’t have been good for gamers. The current state of play with three big competitors on increasingly diverging paths is great for us.
Re: Five More Games Are Now Available With Xbox Game Pass (Dec 8-9)
Really want to give Call of the Sea a try at some point but juggling too many other games to get round to it yet. I know, I know, first world problems....
Re: Halo Infinite Will Launch In Fall 2021
No surprise here, that’s when I expected it. Gives them time to polish it, build up the hype and make sure they have plenty of systems on the shelves.
Hopefully they can build the library in the meantime by getting stuff like The Medium, The Ascent, Scorn, Second Extinction and Flight Sim out.
Re: Rumour: Could Forza Horizon 5 Arrive In 2021 Before The Next Motorsport?
Oh plzplzplzplzplz
Re: All Optimised For Xbox Series X|S Games Out Now
Anyone who likes Arcade racers really should give Dirt 5 a go. It’s great fun and looks fantastic.
Re: Deals: All 15+ Xbox Series X Games In The Xbox Black Friday Sale 2020
@NEStalgia
It seems to have stopped its downward price spiral just above what I was waiting for. 😐 Heard stories about the Autosave bug that has put me off too. Thanks for the feedback though, it’s definitely on my wanted list just maybe not right at the top.
Re: Phil Spencer Glad People Will 'Actually Get A Console' At The Time Of Halo Infinite's Launch
@Dezzy70
That’s how I see it too. No point rushing now.
Re: Xbox Responds To Reports Of Games Running Better On PS5 Than Series X
Definitely something they need to be looking at. Not a big issue this early on (especially as it isn’t every game anyway) but by this time next year they will need to be able to claim at least parity, ideally more. Good to see them acknowledge the issue rather than stick their head in the sand.
Re: Deals: All 15+ Xbox Series X Games In The Xbox Black Friday Sale 2020
@NEStalgia
Great, thanks for that. I played some of the first one and wasn’t drawn in by the Narrative at all so I don’t see ‘less narrative’ as a minus at all 😉
It’s already down to £33, if it drops below £30 over the next week I’m in.
Re: Talking Point: What December 2020 Xbox Games With Gold Do You Want?
Don’t have high hopes anymore but Caste of Illusion 360 would be nice.
Re: Deals: All 15+ Xbox Series X Games In The Xbox Black Friday Sale 2020
@NEStalgia
Is it any good?
Re: Talking Point: Which Back Compat Games Have Been Improved The Most By The Xbox Series X?
@norwichred
Sadly no (lights candle)
Re: Talking Point: Which Back Compat Games Have Been Improved The Most By The Xbox Series X?
@SpacemanJupiter
Yeah it was remastered for the 360 which is the version now running on Series X. Definitely didn’t look like that on the N64.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Dark_(2010_video_game)?wprov=sfti1
Re: Talking Point: Which Back Compat Games Have Been Improved The Most By The Xbox Series X?
Assassins Creed Unity (staying offline to avoid the update) running at 60FPS looks great. Star Wars Fallen Order the same, really solid Framerate. The original RDR looks very nice but not sure it’s much of a leap over the One X.
Re: Looking Back At The Original Xbox Launch On Its 19th Anniversary
@ianerye13
Hello Indonesia! Welcome on board 😄👍👍
Re: Review: Assassin's Creed Valhalla - The Best Entry To Date, And A Series X Showpiece
Gah, don’t tempt me. Not a huge AC fan but I fancy it as a technical showcase. Thing is, it’s a UBI Soft game. It’ll be £20 by Summer.
Re: Four New Games Are Now Available With Xbox Game Pass (Nov 10)
Not bothered about Destiny but very much looking forward to the others.
Re: Happy Xbox Series X|S Launch! Have You Received Yours?
@NEStalgia
😄 Typically the 3-year-old was fascinated with the box. It’s a big box too. However it’s also pretty plush by the standards of game Console boxes so he was not getting his hands on it.
Getting to have a tinker now. Downloads are slooooooow.
Re: Happy Xbox Series X|S Launch! Have You Received Yours?
Just arrived!! 😁😁😁
However so did the kids back from School and Nursery 😐😐😐
Later maybe....
Re: Talking Point: What Will You Be Playing First On Xbox Series X|S?
Forza Horizon 4
Tetris Effect Connected
Gears 5
Star Wars Fallen Order
Gears Tactics
Planet Coaster
Grand Theft Auto IV (sue me)
Re: Xbox Boss Suggests PS5 Represents A Heavy Financial Investment
It’s certainly been a factor for me. I rarely buy systems at launch. Over my 32 years of owning my own Games devices I’ve only done it 3 times. One of the issues is that everything is expensive at launch. Not just the system but the Games and Accessories.
With Series X I can justify the pre order because Game Pass will give me new games for it anyway, my existing library carries over with significant improvements to the games, and I don’t even have to buy new Controllers.
Re: Halo: MCC Senior Producer Reveals More About The Next-Gen Update
Will Halo 2 run well? The Framerate drops horribly in some parts of the Campaign even on a One X.
Re: Gallery: This Is What The Xbox Series X Looks Like Next To The PS5
As it is I prefer XBSX. The issue for me with PS5 is the size, I think the design itself will look really good in a Slim revision
Re: Guide: How To Complete All Xbox Game Pass Quests In 2020
@FraserG
Thanks for asking. Yes I did, randomly on the fifth different level where I got 300 coins it suddenly worked 🧐😄
Re: Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Hints At The Potential Return Of 1 VS. 100
Would love this. I think they need more Casual stuff on Game Pass. People will dip in for stuff like Quiz games, party games etc as GAAS if they don’t have to shell out for the full games.
Re: Guide: How To Complete All Xbox Game Pass Quests In 2020
Anybody tried the NSLT one and get it to work? I’ve done three separate levels getting 300+ on each one and it keeps saying I’m 88% done 🤷♂️
Re: Halo: The Master Chief Collection To Receive 120FPS Upgrade On Xbox Series X|S
Just want to echo those saying that the most exciting thing is the potential for the Halo and Halo 2 Campaigns to run properly, there’s some pretty bad frame rate dips in there.
Re: Hardware Review: 8BitDo SN30 Pro - An Excellent Way To Get Into Xbox Cloud Gaming
Shame it doesn’t work on the Xbox, Id have been very tempted by one of these. 8Bitdo make good stuff.