I completely agree. We don’t have many games for the current generation and you can’t walk into a shop and buy one.
While the last gen really needed an upgrade because of the increasing proliferation of 4K TVs and because the originals were so underpowered, neither of these factors apply now.
I’d say the OG Xbox. Couldn’t hand a chance against PS2 given the momentum Sony had (and that the PS2 had an incredible library) but it was very powerful for its time. So much so that even now, 15-20 years on, you can often see the difference in power when you out the two side by side. It could do 720p, Dolby Digital, had a HDD, and some superb games that wouldn’t have run on any of it’s competitors.
I think there’s an element of insecurity attached to ‘exclusives’ in Gaming. It seems really important to some that they have something others don’t. I don’t get it personally.
Unless he’s got some serious insider information I’m going to go out on a very confident limb here and say he doesn’t know that Phil Spencer is the issue. He doesn’t know who or what is the issue. He doesn’t know if there is an issue beyond modern AAA Video Game development is really difficult, expensive and time consuming. Nobody here does either. But he got some clicks.
I genuinely can’t see the point of a mid gen upgrade this time. These machines aren’t underpowered at launch like XB1 and PS4 were, and they won’t have the hook of 4K Gaming as a ‘selling point.’
It does feel like MS can’t win with this type of things. When they get heavily involved in their acquisitions management they get stuck for being too controlling. If they don’t get involved enough they get stuck for being too hand off.
Teething troubles with some of these bought in studios was inevitable, they just need to take their time and not rush things.
But Extraction and Crossfire X are of no relevance to me. They may be disappointing and if they’re relevant to you, cool, but they don’t affect the grade I’m giving GP. Why would I mark the service down because of two games I’m not bothered about when so far it’s given me 5 games I’m enjoying playing? Stalker 2 was scheduled for April 28 so it slipping doesn’t affect the grade I’m giving either. It’s all subjective.
There’s nothing objective about it. To me it’s an A, to you it could be a C or a D or a Z. What you deem objective criteria (re. ‘high profile third party day 1 gets have all missed the mark’) are actually subjective ones. Judging Game Pass by those games is a subjective criteria, as in fact is whether they’ve ‘missed’ the ‘mark’ (whatever the mark is). There may be people entirely happy with those games and happy with Game Pass as a result. You’re confusing your subjective measurements with objective ones.
It’s perfectly OK for you or anybody else to be disappointed, in the same way it is for me or anyone else to give it an A. That isn’t being a ‘fanboy’ or ‘bias’ it’s a valid opinion based on subjective criteria.
Plenty to go at there. Starfield should be great, I hope the Cyberpunk upgrade fixes the problems as there’s a game in there somewhere. Optimistic for Warhammmer and Scorn. Tunic and Lego Star Wars look like must buys. This list misses a lot on my watch list like Legend of Wright, Somerville, Party Animals and Replaced.
Plenty for me on Switch this year. Haven’t got Arceus yet, and there’s Kirby/Advance Wars/Mario Strikers/Zelda/Klonoa to look forward to.
As for PS5? Not a lot there for me. Maybe I’ll get Horizon and Gran Turismo at some point but TBH I haven’t played much of the first Horizon and GT isn’t my favourite racing series. I’m well catered for elsewhere on that front. Not into God of War, don’t fancy Sifu. Hopefully they’ve more to announce or my PS5 will be getting neglected again unless I dig into my back catalogue.
Easy A. It’s reached the stage where I could happily survive just on GP. It’s encouraged the open-minded side of my gaming personality and got me trying stuff I may not have touched otherwise, or certainly wouldn’t have paid full price for.
I’m pretty certain that the majority of games on Game Pass are not 8-but style games.
If it isn’t for you, that’s fine. One of the good things about the way Game Pass is set up is that you can still buy the games separately. GP is just an option, another way to get access to games. Regardless of what happens in the future though, it’s a great price now, which is what matters
It’s really weird to see people predicting a MS dominated future when they’re so very far away from that. Their competition is very strong and entrenched in the market. Yet this concern comes along at a time when we finally have three strong Console manufacturers with very different strategies, which is a really healthy position for Consumers.
Is it possible what we’re seeing is really concern trolling from Sony fans troubled that they have competition? I don’t remember this fretting about the state of the industry when Nintendo completely dominated in the late 80s, or the PS2 sold 3X Xbox and Gamecube combined.
Better than I initially did. At first I reacted to what seemed like an attempt to monopolise the industry. But then I saw that it puts Xbox absolutely nowhere near a monopoly.
Then when it became apparent that ABK were looking for a buyer and the alternatives were TenCent/Meta/Alphabet/Apple I felt better about it again. Much rather MS than any of them.
Further, given the state of ABK there’s an opportunity for Xbox to really improve things for employees and gamers. So overall it has the potential to be very positive.
Gold is £6.99 a month?! It’s only £38 a year on Cdkeys. This is how these subscription services make their money I suppose, people tick Auto Renew and then forget.
It’s just that they’ve been able to make a lot more because of the less high end components. It did very well in the run up to Christmas (in the U.K. certainly) simply because it was in stock and easy to buy.
Very good price for a new system. I picked a used one up for £184 on Ebay and it’s an amazingly capable system for the price. Probably get one for my eldest birthday in July.
I certainly think you’ll see COD on PS, there’s sufficient value in having it on GP and keeping some content exclusive to Xbox. The family friendly stuff, Crash and Spyro? Maybe that’ll make it across with the Xbox versions as timed exclusives. I certainly think they’ll be on Nintendo with a delay anyway.
“ those on pushsquare and nintendolife see the bigger picture.”
That gave me a proper chuckle. I regularly go on Pushsquare as a multi format gamer as it’s the best place for PlayStation news. But the comments threads are an absolute cesspit of the worst kind of fanboyism. It’s not everyone but there’s a large number of posters who have a great amount of personal value invested in Sony being Number 1 in the Home Console business and react very badly when that is threatened. No other perspective beyond that is possible.
Yeah I don’t think it would be MS and Is rather these companies stay independent than get eaten up by Apple/Google/Ten Cent/even Disney.
My concern is will the big Xbox deals startle the really big boys into thinking they need to gobble up a big share of the market before Microsoft hoovers it all up.
As for MS the only other purchase I can see really benefitting them now would be a big Japanese publisher but that’s often difficult given the structure of a lot of these firms. The ABK deal has solved a lot of their issues with family friendly content, giving them Crash and Spyro (plus Skylanders and Guitar Hero if they wanted to resurrect them) but they still lack Japanese content.
Others have provided the info on what other major players are still operating to illustrate that MS are nowhere near a monopoly. They’ve also clearly explained why it’s better to have big publishers being bought by Microsoft than Apple, Google or (seriously?) Ten Cent. I guess that for some reason you’re very upset by this but those are far worse options.
I could have done with a map if I’m being honest but minor niggle aside a fabulous game. I paid about £7 from the Argentine Xbox store a few months and it’s easily worth twice that.
I agree. I think getting Crash and Spyro also helps with their push for more ‘family friendly’ content so they will go exclusive. But the multiplayer focussed stuff will stay multi platform-the big sell will be having it on Game Pass when PS owners have to pay £70 for a new COD.
I dunno about this one. There are ways to push the COD user base over to Xbox gradually (exclusive content, Game Pass,) without cutting that very large supply of money off. I know that’s what a lot of people thought about Bethesda and ES etc but in this case I’m not convinced it will. Not immediately anyway.
Sony’s PR has been dreadful and they’ve even been ripped apart by the users over on Pushsquare for it. That ‘we believe in generations’ line was extremely foolish when they planned to release almost everything for the first two years of the systems life on PS4. At least MS were honest about bringing games out on older hardware.
What were seeing is a transition similar to last gen where the likes of Watch Dogs, MGSV, Rise of the Tomb Raider, various Assassins Creeds and CODs straddled both generations. Real exclusives aren’t that big of a deal early on in a generation as long as cross gen games see a significant enough improvement to demonstrate the increase in power.
Who ever seriously expected the latest greatest AAA third party games on Game pass? When was that promised?
Anyway this looks really good and exactly the sort of thing that should be getting picked up for GP. Drink box have been a consistently good studio so far and I’m looking forward to playing it.
It helps that it’s absolutely fantastic hardware for the price. Quick, effortless and (on my 1080p tv) capable of some fantastic graphics. I’ve got Series X and PS5 as well and while it doesn’t look as good it’s still hugely impressive.
I think there’s going to be a fair bit of this. The Pandemic effect.
I find it encouraging that MS aren’t rushing these games out the door. If the devs need more time they’re giving it to them. No matter how much that hurts short term it’s essential for the long term credibility of the business.
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Re: Digital Foundry Questions The Need For Mid-Gen Console Upgrades
I completely agree. We don’t have many games for the current generation and you can’t walk into a shop and buy one.
While the last gen really needed an upgrade because of the increasing proliferation of 4K TVs and because the originals were so underpowered, neither of these factors apply now.
Re: Talking Point: Which Is The Most Underrated Xbox Console To Date?
I’d say the OG Xbox. Couldn’t hand a chance against PS2 given the momentum Sony had (and that the PS2 had an incredible library) but it was very powerful for its time. So much so that even now, 15-20 years on, you can often see the difference in power when you out the two side by side. It could do 720p, Dolby Digital, had a HDD, and some superb games that wouldn’t have run on any of it’s competitors.
Re: Best Xbox Exclusives To Play In 2022
@JayJ
I think there’s an element of insecurity attached to ‘exclusives’ in Gaming. It seems really important to some that they have something others don’t. I don’t get it personally.
Re: Best Xbox Exclusives To Play In 2022
@Titntin
It definitely seems to be for some people. I don’t get very motivated by exclusives personally.
Re: Best Xbox Exclusives To Play In 2022
I should have realised the comments would be full of complaining and fanboys listing Playstation games.
But that aside can anyone think of any missed off? I’ve got Recore and Gun Valkyrie. Knights of the Old Republic?
Re: God Of War Creator Slams Xbox Boss's Response To Bethesda Delays
@omegared74
Very well said
Re: God Of War Creator Slams Xbox Boss's Response To Bethesda Delays
Unless he’s got some serious insider information I’m going to go out on a very confident limb here and say he doesn’t know that Phil Spencer is the issue. He doesn’t know who or what is the issue. He doesn’t know if there is an issue beyond modern AAA Video Game development is really difficult, expensive and time consuming. Nobody here does either. But he got some clicks.
Re: Will Chip Shortages Mean No Xbox Series X|S Upgrade This Generation?
I genuinely can’t see the point of a mid gen upgrade this time. These machines aren’t underpowered at launch like XB1 and PS4 were, and they won’t have the hook of 4K Gaming as a ‘selling point.’
Re: Microsoft Is Giving Away Free Gift Cards For The Xbox Spring Sale 2022
Yeah I got £4 this time much to my surprise. Will put it towards Lego Star Wars.
Re: Damning Report Takes Aim At Xbox's State Of Decay 3 Studio
It does feel like MS can’t win with this type of things. When they get heavily involved in their acquisitions management they get stuck for being too controlling. If they don’t get involved enough they get stuck for being too hand off.
Teething troubles with some of these bought in studios was inevitable, they just need to take their time and not rush things.
Re: Talking Point: How Often Do You Play Backwards Compatible Games On Xbox?
Loads. Absolutely loads. I don’t have the fascination with only playing new games hat some gamers have.
Re: Hands On: Is GTA V Worth Buying All Over Again For Xbox Series X|S?
@Medic_Alert
Same here. £8.50 for 60FPS and faster loading times feels like a great deal.
Re: Talking Point: Have You Bought An Xbox Series X|S Expansion Card Yet?
Yes got one in September for just over £160. Worth every penny, especially now I have both S and X Consoles. The hot swapping is a great feature.
Re: Poll: Have You Bought Elden Ring?
Nope. No interest at all.
Re: Video: Here's 30 Minutes Of Cyberpunk 2077 Gameplay On Xbox Series X
@themightyant
😀 (Fozzie Bear voice) wokka wokka wokka 😉
Re: Talking Point: How Good Of A Start Has Xbox Game Pass Had In 2022?
@Bleachedsmiles
But Extraction and Crossfire X are of no relevance to me. They may be disappointing and if they’re relevant to you, cool, but they don’t affect the grade I’m giving GP. Why would I mark the service down because of two games I’m not bothered about when so far it’s given me 5 games I’m enjoying playing? Stalker 2 was scheduled for April 28 so it slipping doesn’t affect the grade I’m giving either. It’s all subjective.
Re: These Eight Games Are Coming To Xbox Game Pass (February 15-28)
Not a lot for me there after a really good January. I usually give Madden a go but that’s about all I’m likely to play there.
Re: Video: Here's 30 Minutes Of Cyberpunk 2077 Gameplay On Xbox Series X
@themightyant
Yeah I’m with you, I’ll wait for a detailed breakdown. It still looks very empty to me.
Re: Talking Point: How Good Of A Start Has Xbox Game Pass Had In 2022?
@Bleachedsmiles
There’s nothing objective about it. To me it’s an A, to you it could be a C or a D or a Z. What you deem objective criteria (re. ‘high profile third party day 1 gets have all missed the mark’) are actually subjective ones. Judging Game Pass by those games is a subjective criteria, as in fact is whether they’ve ‘missed’ the ‘mark’ (whatever the mark is). There may be people entirely happy with those games and happy with Game Pass as a result. You’re confusing your subjective measurements with objective ones.
It’s perfectly OK for you or anybody else to be disappointed, in the same way it is for me or anyone else to give it an A. That isn’t being a ‘fanboy’ or ‘bias’ it’s a valid opinion based on subjective criteria.
Re: Talking Point: How Good Of A Start Has Xbox Game Pass Had In 2022?
@Bleachedsmiles
I gave it an A because of the Indies. The indie scene is where most of the interesting stuff is these days.
Re: Feature: 30 Xbox Series X|S Games To Look Forward To In 2022
Plenty to go at there. Starfield should be great, I hope the Cyberpunk upgrade fixes the problems as there’s a game in there somewhere. Optimistic for Warhammmer and Scorn. Tunic and Lego Star Wars look like must buys. This list misses a lot on my watch list like Legend of Wright, Somerville, Party Animals and Replaced.
Plenty for me on Switch this year. Haven’t got Arceus yet, and there’s Kirby/Advance Wars/Mario Strikers/Zelda/Klonoa to look forward to.
As for PS5? Not a lot there for me. Maybe I’ll get Horizon and Gran Turismo at some point but TBH I haven’t played much of the first Horizon and GT isn’t my favourite racing series. I’m well catered for elsewhere on that front. Not into God of War, don’t fancy Sifu. Hopefully they’ve more to announce or my PS5 will be getting neglected again unless I dig into my back catalogue.
Re: Talking Point: How Good Of A Start Has Xbox Game Pass Had In 2022?
Easy A. It’s reached the stage where I could happily survive just on GP. It’s encouraged the open-minded side of my gaming personality and got me trying stuff I may not have touched otherwise, or certainly wouldn’t have paid full price for.
Re: Klonoa Phantasy Reverie Series Is Bringing The 90s PS1 Classic To Xbox
Very neat platformers. Very nice to see them back.
Re: Phil Spencer "Wouldn't Take No For An Answer" When Creating Xbox Game Pass
@GuyinPA75
I’m pretty certain that the majority of games on Game Pass are not 8-but style games.
If it isn’t for you, that’s fine. One of the good things about the way Game Pass is set up is that you can still buy the games separately. GP is just an option, another way to get access to games. Regardless of what happens in the future though, it’s a great price now, which is what matters
Re: Xbox Is Trying To 'Undercut And Dominate' The Games Industry, Argues TV Host
It’s really weird to see people predicting a MS dominated future when they’re so very far away from that. Their competition is very strong and entrenched in the market. Yet this concern comes along at a time when we finally have three strong Console manufacturers with very different strategies, which is a really healthy position for Consumers.
Is it possible what we’re seeing is really concern trolling from Sony fans troubled that they have competition? I don’t remember this fretting about the state of the industry when Nintendo completely dominated in the late 80s, or the PS2 sold 3X Xbox and Gamecube combined.
It just doesn’t add up.
Re: Xbox Is Trying To 'Undercut And Dominate' The Games Industry, Argues TV Host
I have no idea who this person is or why his opinion (a misguided one judging by this article) is one I should consider.
Re: Talking Point: 10 Days Later, How Are You Feeling About The Activision Blizzard Acquisition?
Better than I initially did. At first I reacted to what seemed like an attempt to monopolise the industry. But then I saw that it puts Xbox absolutely nowhere near a monopoly.
Then when it became apparent that ABK were looking for a buyer and the alternatives were TenCent/Meta/Alphabet/Apple I felt better about it again. Much rather MS than any of them.
Further, given the state of ABK there’s an opportunity for Xbox to really improve things for employees and gamers. So overall it has the potential to be very positive.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy With February 2022's Xbox Games With Gold?
@awp69
I was thinking that. Just do a cheaper no frills Online-only subscription and maybe nudge a few more people towards GP
Re: Xbox Games With Gold For February 2022 Announced
Broken Sword definitely looks worth a try, not sure about the rest
Re: Xbox Games With Gold For February 2022 Announced
@Dezzy70
Gold is £6.99 a month?! It’s only £38 a year on Cdkeys. This is how these subscription services make their money I suppose, people tick Auto Renew and then forget.
Re: Xbox Series S Deal Drops Console To Its Lowest Price Yet In UK
@UltimateOtaku91
It’s just that they’ve been able to make a lot more because of the less high end components. It did very well in the run up to Christmas (in the U.K. certainly) simply because it was in stock and easy to buy.
Re: Xbox Series S Deal Drops Console To Its Lowest Price Yet In UK
Very good price for a new system. I picked a used one up for £184 on Ebay and it’s an amazingly capable system for the price. Probably get one for my eldest birthday in July.
Re: Feature: Alright, It's Time For Xbox To Make A Smash Bros. Game
Before that, as it’s a much easier win, they could add Xbox characters and tracks to the existing Crash Tram Racing engine
Re: Xbox Boss 'Trusts' Nintendo & PlayStation, More Concerned About 'Other Tech Competitors'
@RadioHedgeFund
I certainly think you’ll see COD on PS, there’s sufficient value in having it on GP and keeping some content exclusive to Xbox. The family friendly stuff, Crash and Spyro? Maybe that’ll make it across with the Xbox versions as timed exclusives. I certainly think they’ll be on Nintendo with a delay anyway.
Re: Xbox Boss 'Trusts' Nintendo & PlayStation, More Concerned About 'Other Tech Competitors'
@UltimateOtaku91
“ those on pushsquare and nintendolife see the bigger picture.”
That gave me a proper chuckle. I regularly go on Pushsquare as a multi format gamer as it’s the best place for PlayStation news. But the comments threads are an absolute cesspit of the worst kind of fanboyism. It’s not everyone but there’s a large number of posters who have a great amount of personal value invested in Sony being Number 1 in the Home Console business and react very badly when that is threatened. No other perspective beyond that is possible.
Re: Financial Times Predicts EA To Be Next In Line For A Major Takeover
@xMightyMatt14x
Yeah I don’t think it would be MS and Is rather these companies stay independent than get eaten up by Apple/Google/Ten Cent/even Disney.
My concern is will the big Xbox deals startle the really big boys into thinking they need to gobble up a big share of the market before Microsoft hoovers it all up.
As for MS the only other purchase I can see really benefitting them now would be a big Japanese publisher but that’s often difficult given the structure of a lot of these firms. The ABK deal has solved a lot of their issues with family friendly content, giving them Crash and Spyro (plus Skylanders and Guitar Hero if they wanted to resurrect them) but they still lack Japanese content.
Re: Financial Times Predicts EA To Be Next In Line For A Major Takeover
@UltimateOtaku91
By Gaming revenue adding ABK puts Microsoft third behind Tencent and Sony.
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2022/01/18/sony-still-a-bigger-company-than-microsoft/
Others have provided the info on what other major players are still operating to illustrate that MS are nowhere near a monopoly. They’ve also clearly explained why it’s better to have big publishers being bought by Microsoft than Apple, Google or (seriously?) Ten Cent. I guess that for some reason you’re very upset by this but those are far worse options.
Re: Financial Times Predicts EA To Be Next In Line For A Major Takeover
@UltimateOtaku91
Microsoft are absolutely nowhere near ‘just buying the games industry.’ They won’t even be it’s biggest player after buying Activision.
Re: Financial Times Predicts EA To Be Next In Line For A Major Takeover
If EA gets sold I can’t see it being Xbox that buys them. Probably one of the tech giants who’s looking for a foothold in Gaming.
Re: Review: Death’s Door - One Of 2021's Best Games, Now On Xbox Game Pass
I could have done with a map if I’m being honest but minor niggle aside a fabulous game. I paid about £7 from the Argentine Xbox store a few months and it’s easily worth twice that.
Re: Some Activision Games Will Still Release On PlayStation, Claims Report
@Craigyy
I agree. I think getting Crash and Spyro also helps with their push for more ‘family friendly’ content so they will go exclusive. But the multiplayer focussed stuff will stay multi platform-the big sell will be having it on Game Pass when PS owners have to pay £70 for a new COD.
Re: Some Activision Games Will Still Release On PlayStation, Claims Report
@Mauzuri
Why would they force their developers to make games they don’t want to make? That sounds like an absolutely terrible idea.
Re: Talking Point: Will Call Of Duty Become An Xbox Exclusive In The Future?
I dunno about this one. There are ways to push the COD user base over to Xbox gradually (exclusive content, Game Pass,) without cutting that very large supply of money off. I know that’s what a lot of people thought about Bethesda and ES etc but in this case I’m not convinced it will. Not immediately anyway.
Re: Microsoft Is Buying Activision Blizzard, Reportedly For $70 Billion
The one day I don’t check Gaming news we get one of the biggest, most surprising bits of Gaming news ever….
Re: Xbox Exec 'Doesn't Know' If FPS Boost Will Return In The Future
Ahhhh, how I wish the first 3 Horizon games had got a Boost
Re: Microsoft Is Officially No Longer Manufacturing Xbox One Consoles
@Dezzy70
Sony’s PR has been dreadful and they’ve even been ripped apart by the users over on Pushsquare for it. That ‘we believe in generations’ line was extremely foolish when they planned to release almost everything for the first two years of the systems life on PS4. At least MS were honest about bringing games out on older hardware.
What were seeing is a transition similar to last gen where the likes of Watch Dogs, MGSV, Rise of the Tomb Raider, various Assassins Creeds and CODs straddled both generations. Real exclusives aren’t that big of a deal early on in a generation as long as cross gen games see a significant enough improvement to demonstrate the increase in power.
Re: Nobody Saves The World Extended Gameplay Revealed, Coming To Xbox Game Pass
Who ever seriously expected the latest greatest AAA third party games on Game pass? When was that promised?
Anyway this looks really good and exactly the sort of thing that should be getting picked up for GP. Drink box have been a consistently good studio so far and I’m looking forward to playing it.
Re: Roundup: Here's What The Critics Are Saying About The Anacrusis
It doesn’t look great TBH
Re: Reaction: Sony Continuing PS4 Production Shows The Xbox Series S Was A Great Move
It helps that it’s absolutely fantastic hardware for the price. Quick, effortless and (on my 1080p tv) capable of some fantastic graphics. I’ve got Series X and PS5 as well and while it doesn’t look as good it’s still hugely impressive.
Re: Bad News, Stalker 2 Has Been Delayed To December 2022
I think there’s going to be a fair bit of this. The Pandemic effect.
I find it encouraging that MS aren’t rushing these games out the door. If the devs need more time they’re giving it to them. No matter how much that hurts short term it’s essential for the long term credibility of the business.