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As someone who games on all three and mainly digital only, at £250 this is rather tempting.

@mousieone Not stupid or mean at all. And to be honest you hit the nail on the head a bit.

All three do have some true exclusives but its narrow in number. I wasnt clear myself by timed I meant console timed. But again that gets confusing too lol.

Bottom line no matter which console anyone picks be plenty of content to enjoy.

Also dont apologise for having an opinion whole point of a forum!

Friendly debate is good its the arguments recently breaking out between a select few that have made my teeth itch lol

@mousieone Yakuza patch isnt exclusive. Its a timed one that. The Medium is likely timed and no console manufacturer can call Tetris exclusive and keep a straight face.

Last paragraph I fully agree with you on though. Lots more to Xbox than Halo and I expect a lot of the niche titles at TGS being shown as on Xcloud day one as well. Japanese gamers will love the idea of Dragon Quest XI on mobile and tablet.

Bad examples.

This thread was about Xbox at TGS and hardly any comments about it 🤣

1. Xbox has a lot of games. All three do. Did Xbox lack hard hittting first party exclusives last gen perhaps? Thats subjective. They had more than Halo/Forza/Gears thats fact.

2. Spiderman Miles Morales is NOT DLC. Its a standalone game. Will it be shorter in length? Sure but no one has confirmed its $60 either. DLC stands for downloadable content and its getting a physical release so thats that one.

3. They are plastic boxes. What matters is what is played on them. Stop getting so amped up 🤣

Now all that is over. Anyone want to speculate what will be shown? I know it wont be new stuff but I am betting on an xcloud blowout and a look at next gen Yakuza.

@KelticDevil Xbox has games what it needs more of are franchises. They are what generate sales and subscriptions.

I getcha when someone says all Xbox has is Halo Gears and Forza it grinds the gears as the reality is different. But flip the other way and look at the casual gamers they are the three brands they will associate with Xbox. Thats the bit they need to address as franchises make the the most money.

I too remember the 360 fanboys who trolled just as badly sadly. Brings out the siege mentality amongst forum users on the "winning side" when they feel threatened.

Thankfully those trolls/users represent a small portion of their fanbase though. I think most true gamers know console wars is a dead in the water fad and casual gamers dont know it exists. Just that small group in the middle of that, that cannot let go.

@IronMan30 @BlueOcean @KelticDevil I agree with all three of you.

However I do think across this community at least that far too much emphasis on the Push Square community as a representation of the wider Sony fanbase which isnt great. They represent such a small portion.

Can only speak of my friends at least but surprising how many true decent PS fans are multiplat gamers.

@mousieone @Dpullam apologies! I completely missed people mentioned Xcloud before me!

Makes sense though.

I feel like this has been staged to announce an Xcloud release in Japan. Would make perfect sense.

Looking at above comments the handbag fights are coming out too quick here lol and way off topic. Lets not do what other sites do eh? Doesnt make for good conversation!

As for on topic. I am not surprised its got the award. As much as nomination criteria is sketchy this is MS prime time to right any wrongs of last gen now so there is a lot of interest in Series X and what it will bring to the table.

I expect most gamers will assume PS5 will be simply more of the same as Sony dont really need to and havent changed their approach.

MS have changed their approach substantially and for the better.

Not ideal but I am torn whether it is the right thing or not. When they are coming straight out of the blocks with an all digital console as well full disc based bc would no doubt impact adoption.

I can forsee something being integrated into PS Now further down the line if the hype for it is there. Sony are notorious for being reactive and not proactive. Crossplay is an example.

Certainly not competition over as some say. But its nothing to be glossed over either.

@KelticDevil You finally got on to the 4th one! Have to let me know what you think of the lego dlc. I thought it was a right nostalgia trip!

@Tasuki This late in the current gen not a bad thing. Especially as all 3 made from ground up and not just a resolution bump. Really looking forward to Mafia and Tony Hawk.

@Bmartin001 and locking the free next-gen upgrade behind the limited edition. Bit like NBA 2K21.

Ironically the first company I would expect to pull that crap off, EA......isn't.

@Skedaddle https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-05-29-new-ps4-games-must-be-playstation-5-compatible-from-july-sony-tells-devs

Like A Dragon will be one.

So Sony go and pay to have a random character included in a game and Microsoft have (probably) paid for timed exclusivity on a patch.

All getting a bit much of a muchness eh? Haha.

Game looks good though, curious to see how the turn-based gameplay fits in with the general feel of the games.

@BlueOcean When MS have made such a huge deal about not having "generational exclusives" and locking players out based on hardware choice. It would be a huge decison to cancel the Xbox One version.

I question whether it would be unpopular though. I think a lot of players would support a true next-gen Halo. But they may be nervous about whether a game developed with cross-gen in mind from the ground up could move to a true next gen game without further delays to this one.

PS4 - PGA 2K21
Xbox One - Battletoads
Switch - Paper Mario

So on an article about more third party games coming to GP theres more comments about slagging off PS Now vs GP and hardly any about the third party games coming 🤣

... really people? Lol.

Anyone want to have a stab and get the ball rolling on what titles may be coming?

@Tharsman Too much of a big deal is being made out of it because Halo is such a big franchise, under the spotlight.

343i have certainly had some issues and some of it could indeed be down to some co-ordination and management mistakes, but they aren't shying away or sitting in denial about it either, so I think the media needs to move on from it.

I have never been fussed with achievements or trophies not got the time. Just a little bonus when I get one!

499 is the sweet spot. Anything above that will be a struggle.

That said I think price worries Sony more than MS at the minute.

Its a real a shame a thread about a genuine trend of the big three finding their own direction to go down is being clogged up by console war comments.

The console war is dead. Let it rest in peace 🤣

@BlueOcean Confuse red and green and close colours like blue/purple and green/brown

Thankfully can still see vibrant colours.

@BlueOcean I ended up going with the CX on sale but couldnt agree more.

I am colour blind. And even for me it was a massive leap.

Chill. Play games. Forget what another person picks for a plastic box to play them on.

Reading all the above comments thinking whatever happened to are the games simply going to be fun to play....

I must be stuck in a time warp.

@Tharsman With you on that. Would love a next gen Metro.

@Tharsman THQ Nordic are going in hard. Crucially on devs mainly doing single player titles.

I just hope they dont turn into another Zenimax and let the Devs keep their creative freedom. 4a games are awesome and Metro series was so well crafted.

@NEStalgia Couldnt agree more. Nice to see a balanced view!

@xMightyMatt14x Dusk Golem is mainly a youtuber.

He wont know. One quick google shows he is even claiming PS5 is struggling to run Resi Village at 1080p. He is after hits.

It may turn out to be cheaper but I would take anything these "insiders" post with a pinch of salt most of the time.

@ThanosReXXX if their first party portfolio increases substantially may be beneficial to you and me as they never get removed.

I am in the same camp as you, but if the first party releases start to stack may be worth it in the long run.

@Bmartin001 They are very averse to hardware from other nations sadly. Even PS4 struggles vs switch, they are obsessed with portability.

I think Xcloud will break out over there once they release it though.

@BlueOcean The EU Commissioner is also a well known disliker of some of the big tech companies practices as well so this could get interesting.

There will be enough backlash it will get overturned. But there will be publishers still looking to make a quick buck from this, free upgrades certainly won't be universal.

This doesn't surprise me at all.

The worst that will happen is it will put a few people off getting it at launch and will get it later.

Even if it drives people toward Xcloud perhaps, Microsoft wins from that.

@Tharsman I think PS Plus will get overhauled a bit, but time will tell on that.

@Cyberbotv2 If PS4 and Xbox One sell better it will still increase PS Plus/Game Pass subscribers so money gets made.

Early adopters mainly will buy them and that's who you tend to target at launch anyway.

@KelticDevil I think he may have been being sarcastic he isnt one of the usual nutjobs.

@duhsoares21 Lost Legacy was a standalone spinoff. Not DLC. DLC is content attached to the original game.

But again its weak to be throwing your launch behind it. Sony needed more too.

@BlueOcean I wouldnt really complain too much about the PS5 launch lineup as this is a thread about Xbox but ill put it out there - I think their launch lineup is weak as well.

I just think Halo has had a lot more development time than other first party titles and should have been ready and weakens the lineup overall. Not to mention a huge marketing opportunity pushed back.

Again I may be wrong but like anything on a forum - opinion. I wouldnt say anyone else was wrong for saying the opposite to me.

@Tharsman At one point it was communicated as Spiderman remastered with some extra Miles Morales content. That was the miscommunication.

Again. I dont disagree though. No gameplay cant judge it.

My point was third party games and patches wont be enough to entice too many Playstation only gamers over to Xbox at launch. Halo is a big loss for that.

That being said. It begs another question. Do Microsoft care as much as they would have in a previous gen? With Xcloud launching I am not so sure as they can grab some of those gamers that way anyway.

@BlueOcean It is console war spin. No one knows anything about the game length yet to call it DLC. People are bashing it as DLC because of some poor comms by Insomniac initially that has been jumped on.

But I am neutral with it. I dont think its enough for Sonys launch either but besides the point.

Launching your console for me needs a flagship launch title on it. A killer app. Those invested in the PS4 are not too likely to move over/upgrade just for third party games or games with next gen patches.

But I dont disagree with you. The big games of 2020 are all third party. And thats a problem for both companies launching new machines to be honest.

In a rosy coloured world they should launch next Spring. But its business they cant ignore the holiday season I guess. Launching in the holidays with a weak first party lineup is better than not launching in the holidays.

@BlueOcean I didnt mention PS5. And Miles Morales isnt DLC. Thats the latest term used in console war spin. I am not taking part in that no time for it I am getting both so console wars are lost on me 😂

I think both launch lineups are relatively weak which is to be expected we are smack bang in the middle of a pandemic. Most first party games on both sides have suffered delays. Horizon, GT, Forza, possibly Fable too.

Why this is poor is this is a game that has been in development since Halo 5's release. It should have been ready. It wasnt there is no sugar coating that for me. But as with anything. Its my opinion and nothing more.

Series X enhanced games are great but should not be used to market the console launch. A lot of existing owners have played them there needs to be a flagship title to entice them to upgrade. Gears Tactics I am on the fence with. Flight Simulator is geared towards the PC crowd.

@Tharsman You would expect at least one first party game to launch with it though.

MS have been doing so many things right but this is just poor. Especially as the game has been in development for several years.

Game Pass catalogue and third party will carry them through launch but one of their flagship first party games should have been ready.

@KelticDevil EA cant even commit to Smart Delivery without complicating it.

Wonder if its WB Games...

The poll is so tight right now, contrast there. I think most with the time will do a playthrough on all three.

I'm not gonna have that luxury I don't think so tossup between Nomad and Street Kid.

Probably toss a coin on release day!

@Menchi how they havent yet is beyond me.

Might give it a try