Dragon Ball: Sparking! ZERO Powers Up In New 'Goku VS Vegeta' Trailer

@Kaloudz Well, it looks like this one should be a fairly comprehensive look at Dragon Ball Super, which is something that hasn’t gotten much in the way of video game coverage yet. Despite Super being around for quite some time, we’ve never actually seen anything past Resurrection F in video game format. They’ve practically got the whole series to cover! It looks like the game may be covering up to the Broly film, based on the character roster image we’ve seen on the trailer. While it’s a divergent future from GT, it’s very exciting to see it covered. If anything, I’m expecting GT/movie era items to be primed for DLC content, knowing how the Dragon Ball game continuity works (I mean, it’ll likely have years of DLC). I’d love a new saga, a game only saga in this one, but I’d also love them to simply cover the sagas the manga has gotten through since the animated series has ended. We’ve gotten two complete arcs in the manga that haven’t seen any other media representation yet! That’d be totally fresh content to see!

@Kaloudz Yes sir, the manga is still a monthly thing and we’re getting a new animated series later this year. The manga has a different interpretation than the anime of Dragon Ball Super too, so it’s sort of interesting in being different. Of course, Toriyama is more or less an advisor for the manga at this point, but I enjoy it.

I’d really like to have a game that goes from OG Dragon Ball through the end of Super. As much as I like Z, it is a bit rote repeating JUST those arcs when it’s a third of the canon story.

@Kaloudz Your mileage will vary on Super. Personally, I really enjoy it, but I’ll admit it could’ve been done better in a lot of aspects. I like the manga more than the anime, which can be a bit iffy. The Dragon Ball Super movies are excellent though, pure spectacle. Dragon Ball Super is definitely lighter in tone than Z. The Future Trunks arc though is the closest the series got to horror though, and the Moro arc is like mixing Namek and Buu arcs together. Super throws GT out the window and is a separate continuity. Akira Toriyama wasn’t directly involved in GT, but he is front and center with the Super films. He is an advisor on the manga as well. I sort of feel like the anime got cancelled because he apparently wasn’t very happy with the animation quality of it and liberties they took with the story, as it ran concurrent with the manga. If anything, watch the movies for a good time. The more creative stuff is in the manga, but you won’t be disappointed in the films.

@Kaloudz Kai was a remastering of all the sagas, and I’d like to say there was a DVD box set that did the same thing with the original series maybe three years ago. I might be off with time a bit.

With regards to the films, I’d watch them in order: Battle of the Gods, which introduces the purple cat, Resurrection F, which reintroduces Freeza, Broly, which introduces Toriyama’s version of Broly, then Super Hero, which retreads ground on the Red Ribbon Army. Yeah, the films are derivative of older material a bit, but they’re a lot of fun too. Broly is probably the best film of the lot, but they’re all fairly good at what they do. Most fans bemoaned Resurrection F for a while, but I enjoyed it.

@Kaloudz You’ll probably like the Broly one, in that he’s a totally different character in this version. He has a legitimate backstory, they go back to the Freeza Force a little bit and explore Planet Vegeta before it was destroyed. I like those touches personally, even if some people aren’t a fan of Broly (and Bardock getting recontextualized), but I mean the same people don’t like Freeza being thousands of times more powerful than he was in Z either. Lol. Watching the movies, you might feel gaps between Resurrection F and Broly and, well… that’s because the whole Super anime happens between the two, but I’m sure there’s recaps. Personally, I’d recommend the Super manga over the anime, but I can’t fault you if you’d rather watch a show than read the plot. At the very least we definitely didn’t get days of Goku and Freeza powering up in Super like we did with Z. Lol.

Goku has got to be the Japanese Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny or something similar to that. The character is so recognizable. After Dragon Ball Z aired, Toriyama was basically set for life. It’s certainly a surprise he came back to the series for Super, but apparently he always wanted to make high budget films and Dragon Ball’s a definite vehicle for that.

@Kaloudz Oh man, to have access to that kind of money for even an hour would be insane. I think I’d have some fun with it though if I ever have the chance!

I’ve personally got them all purchased from the Xbox store. They had a sale on them when Super Hero came out and I couldn’t resist!

Freeza is definitely my favorite antagonist as well. While Zamasu isn’t an antagonist in the films, I think he’s an interesting take on the Dragon Ball villain formula, featured in the anime/manga. I’ll have to admit, as someone that’s followed Super monthly for maybe like eight or nine years, I think, the arcs typically work best when digested in chunks, so I think you’re about to have a great time with it.

@Kaloudz Zamasu is a Supreme Kai, same as… uh… Supreme Kai, but from a different universe, but he goes in some different directions to attempt to achieve his goal. Ironically enough, Goku inspires him to attempt to fulfill his evil ambitions.

Freeza was always my favorite and I’ve always felt Cell was a tad overrated. I read that Toriyama felt burned out on the Androids and Cell arcs and didn’t particularly like drawing things then and decided to embrace tropes his fans wanted, and I’ve sort of used that to justify why I think the arc goes downhill… but hey it’s Dragon Ball, so I still love it.

Honestly, in my older (though not actually old) age, I’ve grown to appreciate the Buu arc more for adding more world building. The Great Saiyaman arc that precedes it is actually one of my favorite arcs in the series because it goes back to a time of goofy humor, which was sorely missing in the Android/Cell arc. Ah, I could wax poetic about Dragon Ball all day. It’s not the best anime/manga, but, man, does it stick with me.

@Kaloudz Yeah, from what I’ve read, Toriyama really liked Android 19 and 20 and wanted to head in a more horror-based direction where Goku is disabled for most of the arc due to a heart attack, but apparently ratings for the manga dropped, so he came up with the idea to make 17 and 18 in an effort to be more trendy to a youthful audience. However, 17 and 18 weren’t gaining much traction either and Toriyama said the story felt sort of aimless, so he started going down the horror road again with Cell, but his editor encouraged him to change directions with the character, which Toriyama admitted he didn’t really like, as he wanted Cell to be more of a lurking shadow than a present character because he didn’t like drawing all the spots for the character. Just remember this is a guy that dropped tails for Saiyans because he was tired of being reminded to draw them. Trunks and Vegeta going Super Saiyan may have been a plot point added due to fan demand too, as it was previously suggested that there would be only one Super Saiyan. But also, again, making characters stay Super Saiyan may have been a vehicle for Toriyama’s laziness as well, as he didn’t like to fill in the character’s hair with ink and Super Saiyan was quicker to draw as a result. You could argue that the Buu arc starts as a response to the Cell arc, but then also gets swayed to improve ratings, and then perhaps that’s why Toriyama stopped Z there and shifted his focus to smaller, more goofy projects. It’s a bit of speculation mixed with some statements, but it’s an interesting story to me, the creation of the story, and how you can sort of see certain elements change post-Freeza, as that saga was far more successful than anyone could have predicted.

The live action film is better off not being talked about. Lol.

@Kaloudz I can totally agree. The whole Cell spots thing, I can totally get. It’s just funny that the guy has admitted in interviews all the things he doesn’t like to do. And I only call him lazy because that’s how he refers to himself! He wrote several times in his own manga that he’d rather play Dragon Quest than draw his manga, which is probably why he never stopped animating for DQ, but retired DB. I get the feeling that he likes to make the art in one image and then have someone else do the rest of the work.

I’m surprised DB isn’t more saturated for kids these days too. I feel like kids know DB more from the games than the actual show or manga now, which isn’t bad, I suppose, but it seems strange.

Lol. I love Buffy too, but man what strange casting! What a strange film. I’m not sure how they thought that one was going to succeed. It’s almost like they didn’t watch it before releasing it. Lol

@Kaloudz I’ve taken this context from the manga, interviews, and guidebooks. Because Dragon Ball is such a big property, there’s basically a scholarly collection of information on the series if you know where to look. I know where to look and I’ve read about all you can read about the series, you could say. Some people scroll on social media in their free time, some people do important things, me… I… uh… scroll on Hookshot media sites and various other forums that make me really good at trivia for nerdy and niche things. Lol. I irritated my wife the other day because I know the last names of all the 90’s Nickelodeon characters as well. She bet me that I didn’t know them all and sort of yelled at me, “Why do you know this?” I said, “Some people know sports statistics. I know Nickelodeon characters, but don’t get me started on Dragon Ball trivia.” I haven’t reread Dragon Ball in a while, but I’ve got the whole manga set. I think I reread it last in like 2016 or so. My son isn’t quite old enough for my wife to let him jump into the series. We started watching the anime one time and an early Bulma shower scene got me yelled at!

Man, I loved coming home after school to watch anime. My sister and I would run home, so we wouldn’t miss Sailor Moon (which I said was for her, but I totally loved it too). We’d watch Dragon Ball and maybe Super Friends? I could be wrong on Super Friends, but I think Super Friends or Thundercats was in the early line-up. I know Gundam and Tenchi were big shows for us too. I want to say Ronin Warriors, The Big O, Outlaw Star, and Rurouni Kenshin were also shows we watched and then we started watching non-TV stuff after that when DVD box sets were a thing in my teenage years. Ah, the nostalgia. Anime was such a niche thing in those days. It’s really odd to me how popular it’s gotten. It was such a different culture in my youth.

I had no idea about that. I’ll have to check that out. I loved the Buffy cast. One of the best ensembles to hit TV and I also love that the show put Cibo Matto on TV to perform Sugar Water.

its nice to know details about the newest DLC for Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot. however, can they fix some issues that i have with the game when playing it on the xbox series X.

one of the first issues that needs to be fixed isn in the DLC 23rd World Tournament. for some reason at times a few of the battles start out of bounds. sometimes, it makes for an interesting fight and sometimes just makes it so your character just gets stuck under the ring.

recently i started having an issue with the DLC of where is starts off with you playing as the wrong Goku. shouldn't the DLC start off with you playing as kid Goku and not the Goku that is registering to participate in the tournament.

another issue they need to fix is when time traveling. for some reason the game doesn't always load properly when returning to the present after replaying one of the stories.

i don't think it should be possible for Goku to be rising on a cloud while in his home. when that happens, he cannot interact with her. that issue has gotten me stuck in other areas as well. at least the door at Goku's house was loaded into memory otherwise he might not have been able to get out.

also at times, certain cut-scenes do not load which makes me have to reload the game. when certain cutscenes do not load or do not load properly, it makes it impossible to progress through the story. (the character that you need to interact with and whatnot).

just imagine exploring the land of the Kais as Goku when you are supposed to be playing as Gohan. the characters are there as they should be waiting to pull out the Z sword, unfortunately they are just frozen in time waiting for the cutscene to load.

after these issues are fixed i hope they add another DLC. one that allows you to play the Guko black storyline.

@Kaloudz Lol. That’s expensive. The whole series is on Crunchy Roll, I believe? It used to be on Hulu, but I’m not sure if it still is.

Oh, man, I can’t even imagine watching Akira at that age. It was probably psychedelic in the way that only children can understand. Like an intense, sort of gory Yellow Submarine. Lol.

I’ve never seen 3x3 Eyes. What’s that one about? I’m intrigued. I used to be a huge anime/manga nut in early teens, dropped it a bit in high school (because, you know, it really sort of was that I didn’t want to get lumped in with the cat ear kids, as silly as that is [the anime culture changed even then!]), but then got nostalgic in my early 20s and went off the deep end with it. Lol. I don’t consume nearly as much anime now, but I’m always down a good recommendation.

@Kaloudz I’m definitely looking into 3x3 Eyes now. I’m definitely interested. I don’t know what it is about that era or anime. I don’t know if it’s nostalgia or what, but I just really prefer what was happening with the genre in those days and I’m looking forward to watching it… if I can find it somewhere!

We are definitely cut from the same cloth! Every time we get into a tangent, we’re talking for days! The magic of Hookshot Media!

@Kaloudz I’m glad forums are still a thing. In a way, going on forums itself makes me feel nostalgic too for a time long ago too. I remember ages ago being a frequenter for the Weezer forums and having voted on songs for their fourth album. To think forums are still such a part of my life is quite wonderful to me. It’s a great place to my friends.

I will definitely be checking it out and I’ll let you know what I think of it. I’ll probably try to watch the anime first.

Ah, the best Dragon Ball game is such a loaded question. I remember a time when Hyper Dimension was the best in the series, but man is that game hard, and Final Bout felt like such a legendary thing to get hold of as well, so that game had such a special feeling to it, even if its rarity was better than the actual game in some ways. I loved the Legacy of Goku games and the remasters of Budokai 1 and 3 on 360 is definitely my most played game in the series. However, all that said, FighterZ is probably the actual “best” game for me. Believe it or not, I never actually played Kakarot! The Xenoverse games never really did it for me and Kakarot looked very similar to me. I never really like Budokai Tenkaichi either, but Sparking Zero looks really cool and I’ll definitely get it.

@Kaloudz I totally agree about the Xenoverse games. They just… they’re annoying in how they’re made. They feel sort of cheaply made too and DLC literally never stops! They’re still putting out Xenoverse 2 DLC, believe it or not!

There’s a handful of old RPGs for the franchise on NES and SNES and GBA, of course. I’ve got a fondness for some of them, though they’re not necessarily great. Legend of the Super Saiyan always cracked me up as a game. You could end up beating the Saiyans without any deaths, so the team flying off to Namek makes zero sense when everyone’s alive and there’s no reason for them to look for the Dragon Balls or Goku can die on Namek and you can still beat Freeza with a high leveled Yamcha or Chaotzu because levels. Lol. It’s a card game rpg though too, so luck is a big thing. I’d personally love to see a Dragon Ball game that’s influenced by Dragon Quest!

@Kaloudz Xenoverse 2 is 8 years old! How many games that old can sustain DLC? It has to be both low cost and have the player base. I’m guessing they do a cheap round of DLC and about 30-50k shell out $5 for it or so and that’s sustainable for the development.

Lol. I played so many old (and some of them very bad) DB games via emulators! That’s taking me back 25 years now! Lol. I just feel that DQ and DB have such a natural crossroads to them that it feels like something that would make sense and potentially be fun for Toriyama.

The GBA, ah… the system I never owned and yet totally legally by legal means played games as they released, if you know what I mean. I loved that little library of games. I still can’t believe what they pulled out of Castlevania and Metroid for that console.

@Kaloudz Bandai makes so many games so quickly that you have to wonder how much overlap there is. When Tekken 8’s demo came out, I remember saying to my wife, you’ve got to wonder how many people worked on this one that worked on a Pac-Man at some point! Lol. I do wonder what the Xeno team is working on right now.

For me, the console that made me see how cruel the console world was was the og Gameboy. I had one of the original ones as a little tyke, but, when Pokemon came out, and everyone started to have a Gameboy, I had this giant brick compared to all these stylish N64 controller colored little bricks that all my friends had. And they got a color screen! Lol. I’ve never been one to purchase iterations of the same console though. My mom didn’t let me then, so I don’t let me now! Lol. But, oh yes, GBA was so strange as a console in that I can’t think of another console that was ported to PC faster than games released. Lol. I played LeafGreen before it even came out. What a weird generation for games.

I loved DQ11, which was the one on Gamepass. I remember loving the demo on Switch and then just sort of forgetting I bought it til COVID and… well, what a time for the backlog! I’d played the NES DQ games and 8, but admittedly I haven’t played them all. 11 was the best turn-based JRPG I’d potentially played since… maybe FF7, honestly. I really sank into it. I really struggle to get 40+ hours into any game, but DQ11 has to be in my top 10 games played of all time. I was around 80 hours into it, if I remember correctly!

@Kaloudz lol. I had the light too and 7 years old me was totally hiding under the covers playing poorly made sequels to my favorite NES games on the regular in those days. I remember Pokemon being sort of a revelation to 10 year old me by being practically a console level title. I got the N64 late, so I wasn’t quite aware of 3D games when it came out! I loved my Super Gameboy too and how you could play Pokemon full screen on the Stadium games. It was such an innocent era.

The internet was so different back then. It was both more impersonal, but also I feel like it was easier to connect at the same time. By the time MySpace caught on for me in high school, I’d say I had more digital friends than physical. I remember way, way back, I was in an AOL Megaman MMO that was AIM based. Sort of junk tech, but it was such an odd and unique home brewed thing. It’s funny to think, given how prevalent internet is in all of our lives now, but the intense stigma there was about kids like us spending time online. Honestly, the people that wagged their finger seem to be more social media addicted than the forum dwellers 25 years later! Oh, but I can’t remark on others too much because I spent more time on RuneScape my freshman year than most people spend online total in a decade. Lol. And when it went 3D and became what is now known as RuneScape classic, my friends and I all abandoned the game in protest of the update. Looking back at it, what an antique that 3D update was!

I just don’t really have time for gaming much these days. Between kids, work, commute, dealing with the whole family drama cycle, I’m lucky now if I get 10 hours of game time a week, so as much as I’d love to play through JRPGs, I just… don’t anymore unless they’re absolutely essential to me like FF7 Rebirth. I wish I had time for the Personas, but I don’t think that’ll happen unless we get a more bite sized one in a dead gaming season. Maybe Metaphor will be the one? I did start P4 ages ago on PS3? I think it was PS3. A friend of mine loaned me a copy and I started it and played for a while, but never seemed to get anywhere with it. P5 I started right after DQ11, but I was burnt out of JRPGs at the time, after blasting through the Witcher 3, FF7R, FF15, and DQ11 one after the other. Only in COVID could something like that happen! I do recommend DQ11, but beware, it’s a loooooong game. It dwarfs most JRPGs. It’s not quite Persona length, but it’s not far from it. Y’know, Like a Dragon’s another series I feel like I want to experience, but know I never will.

@Kaloudz Oh, man, I forgot about the headphones. It’s crazy how uncomfortable gaming stuff was in the 90’s. The kids nowadays have got it so cozy. Lol. I was late to the N64 because I had to save up my own money to buy it. It took me three Christmases of saving for it. Thankfully, I didn’t spend my Christmas money yet from the year I first saw the 64. Lol. The moment I saw Goldeneye, I knew I needed the console. My parents were so proud of me for saving that they bought me a couple games when I bought the console, which was cool. Getting the 64 was definitely a highlight of my life before the age of 10.

I agree about RuneScape with the tutorial. My friend and I were waxing nostalgic about the game a couple of months ago and I found out it’s got a phone app, but the tutorial totally killed me. Lol. I’ll have to look into those social experiences. I’ve never heard of most of them.

I’ve been thinking about starting Like a Dragon for a while. I love everything I’ve seen about it, but it’s just fitting in the time for it. I always get lured in by new releases, so I tend to let the backlog be the backlog a lot of the time and I’m lazy about working on it. Maybe this summer will be slower for new releases that I’m interested in, so I sink into this one. I mean, honestly, this summer’s release schedule seems practically empty at the moment.

I’ve not watched the whole show, but I read the books after completing the game. I really quite enjoy the Witcher lore and am quite excited at what’s next for the series. I agree that it’s goofy to have multiple endings if there can be “only one.” I like how Mass Effect let you sort of craft your own story three games in… even with how that ending went. That’s crazy. I didn’t even know they were making I Am Legend 2, but that’s a baffling decision.

@Kaloudz Lol. I suppose that’s true. They’ve either got to keep Will Smith alive or risk putting Chris Pratt in the film because he’s in literally every movie now. It certainly feels like this is a generation where they sort of forgot to replace a lot of the top name movie stars and they’re either keeping a small crop or letting the existing ones go for far longer than they used to.

DB->DBZ Kai->DB Super->DB Super Heroes film is the official canon now. While GT hasn’t been officially announced as something that was de-canonized, they’d really have to pull some kind of weird logic to have it fit in now. I doubt they’d end Super with some giant power nerf to Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Piccolo, especially because we’re only chronologically like two or three years before the start of GT now. Super Heroes is essentially a film sequel to the DBS Broly film, which is itself a sequel to the manga in the Universal Survival arc. Technically, there’s two arcs in-between Broly and Super Heroes, but they’re manga only. Super gets a little goofy as a continuity because technically the manga is the official continuity. The anime sped past the manga at some point and just went off on its own trajectory, but while having the same major plot points. It’s strange.

Lol. Thanks for saving my time. I’ve been sick, so I’ve not been gaming for a bit, but good to know.

I had soooo many fond memories of Goldeneye. I had to have beaten it three dozen times. I even played through it on both Xbox AND Switch for the rerelease. It still holds up, in my opinion. My family developed all kinds of homebrew rules for it to keep it fair. We had “no screen peeking” and “wait until everyone has a gun” as house rules for the game. Back in the N64 days, we were more game renters than owners in my home. We owned a couple games, but mostly rented. We’d rent something every Friday along with a movie or two and get a pizza. My family was pretty routine about things. Lol.

@Kaloudz Ah, I miss Alan Rickman as well. Such an icon of an actor. And Kurt Russell too! We simply don’t have actors like that hitting the big time these days. It truly does feel like Hollywood is an isolated pool now. In my illness today, I was watching Fellowship of the Ring, and I was definitely getting that old man, “they don’t make ‘em like this anymore, son” bent to how I was watching the film. Lol. And also I couldn’t stop thinking about Merry’s actor’s role in Lost. Man, between those two things and Quantum Break, you’d think he’d be a bigger actor.

Lol. Oh yes. I forgot about no Oddjob as a rule! If you snuck in as Oddjob, you’d have to play as Baron Samedi the next match for easy headshots. Not quite sure what they were thinking with the Baron’s character model. His hat is considered part of his head. Ridiculous. We also played similar rules in Monopoly at my cousin’s house, so we adopted the fines go in the center rule too! My wife doesn’t really like Monopoly, so she wouldn’t notice the change in the rules. It’s almost time I introduce my son to that game. I feel he would resonate with it very deeply…

Lol. I’m reserving potential grinding for FF7 Rebirth. Final Fantasy, I’ll always make an exception for those titles to do some unnecessary gameplay in spite of my typical rule to avoid any gaming grind. I decided to purchase Banishers today, so hopefully that’s just a good old fashioned story game with more action that forced rpg mechanics.

Yes, you can skip GT if you like and the Z movies. You can skip Dragon Ball Heroes too, which is confusingly similarly titled to Dragon Ball Super Hero. Or you could watch them if you just want more, of course. At this point, Heroes has already done the goofy proposition of making GT and Super as separate realities that have interacted because… anime video game logic. Lol. I personally just view GT as filler. It’s not my favorite, but it’s also not part of the real timeline. Toei has mostly done that confusion to themselves though since they’ve acknowledged both as being in the DB continuity, despite the fact that Toriyama sort of implied he made Super to cancel out GT and make a Dragon Ball continuation that exists in his continuity. Interestingly enough, there is another odd piece of the puzzle too. There was a Korean MMO called Dragon Ball Online that is technically canon too, as Toriyama personally developed the characters and concepts for it. He tends to restructure some ideas he’s had, but he’s acknowledged that the lore in Online is probably along the lines of where things would go if we ever hit a point of future in the series beyond the main cast.

The Dragon Ball fandom sort of cracks me up, to be honest. One of the funniest things I find about them is how few of them realize that the series was intended as a comedy and still carries the comedy tropes. Sure, it has its serious moments, but clearly Toriyama sees Dragon Ball in a more silly way than the fans realize. I mean, Super Saiyan 3 was designed as a parody of the manga itself and Toriyama himself said he didn’t make anyone else have the form because it’s ugly. Lol. You can’t make this stuff up! Yet the fans want SSJ3 Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan, Radditz, etc. And they want it to be serious! I would admit, I’m most curious what a Super Saiyan 3 Nappa would be like though. How much hair would come from bald, you’ve got to wonder!

@Kaloudz I remember watching my mom watch Lost and she’d record the episodes and rewatch them before the next episode aired and I thought it seemed like an inconvenient way to watch a show, so I put it off for a while. But then the first time I watched the show, I dove right in and sort of only took sleep breaks when I was watching it, as I was on a break from school and work when I took it on. It’s the quickest I’d ever binged something. But I loved it. I’ve seen the whole series three times now. It’s definitely a contender for being my favorite show as well. For me, X-Files, Supernatural, and Lost are right up there, and sometimes The Walking Dead comes up to being in the same realm. My kids are still quite young and they are really resilient in not wanting to watch anything grown up. They’ve seen all the Ghibli films, but my son tells me he’s too young to see Star Wars. Lol.

Fortunately my kids don’t have much interest in Fortnite or TikTok. They don’t know what TikTok is yet. My son likes the Lego Fortnite thing, but he doesn’t really stick to it. Mario Odyssey is more his thing at the moment, but he’s hit that point where it’s “too hard” for him, so that’s annoying.

Oh man, the 7 Remake is fantastic. It’s a total remake of the first disk of the original game. It’s faithful in some ways, but also totally off the wall and meta. It’s a game that is self-aware on what remakes typically are, so it is rather cheeky about being one. Hopefully they eventually come to Xbox, so you can try them out.

That’s ironic that you say that since it was argued that the animation quality of Super is what caused them to pull the plug on the series and switch to films. I will agree though. I remember thinking it was really crisp and bright as a series. I know a lot of people are critical of Super, but I really do love it. Lol to the canon arguments. It’s super convoluted in Dragon Ball fandom. It’s such a serious and passionate fanbase for a mostly light hearted parody of its genre.

Yes, Super Saiyan 3 is the one that has a power drain. I do find it funny that it was intentionally designed as something ugly as an internal joke by Toriyama and then the writers and fans went hardcore with it being such a “serious” power up to the point where most 90’s and 2000’s fan mangas have these hilarious amalgamations of Super Saiyan 3 and 4 as Super Saiyan 5 and 6, etc. Gohan, at the end of the Cell saga, had outclassed Goku, but the whole anti-plot armor of Gohan being a slacker in his training is used over and over again in the series. They make it ambiguous if Gohan surpasses Goku in the Buu arc. If canon is a heated debate in Dragon Ball discussion, power level debates are on fire in the fandom. Lol. Things get significantly trickier in Super too because power level gets to be a more complicated thing. In fact, you could argue that Super intentionally eggs on the fans with regards to the topic. Theres several characters now where fans don’t quite know how to rank them now and it drives the fanbase crazy. It has to be intentional. Lol.

@Kaloudz I totally agree with regards to Supernatural. The last season in general was a trainwreck, but so was season 8 and 9 of X-Files. I can find reasons to justify why it went sour grapes, but that’s just me trying to rationalize one of my favorite shows from a lawn chair perspective when in reality, there probably wasn’t any big problem going on other than they ran out of steam with it. Man, that last episode is certainly one of the worst finales though. See, with Lost, I felt the same way. The first time, I thought they were dead, but then changed my mind the second time. I really wish they’d get the cast back together for something fun.

You and me both brother. Team Tifa for life. They’ve set up that things could change, that things could be fate, but either way, there are differences. It’s certainly more fleshed out. It loses some of the archaic charm of the original, but it pushes the series forward in such a nostalgic way. I can’t wait for it to come out.

The power levels are mostly Goku > Vegeta > Gohan > Buu > Piccolo > Future Trunks > the rest. Goten and Trunks are almost non-characters in Super. Unfortunately, Gohan and Piccolo are pretty minor too. It’s almost like there are instances toward the later half of Super where the large cast is acknowledged, but it’s sort of the Goku and Vegeta show.

Krillen was always sort of a coward lol, but he had more opportunities in Z to be a cool character. I can honestly say Super tones down the blood a lot. The Broly movie has some brutal choreography though. The most directly violent arc in Super is ironically the manga only Galactic Prisoner arc. I’d love to see them bring the gore back for that arc. There were a few startling moments in that arc, given the tone of the rest of Super.

@Kaloudz My friend, I don’t see your response. Have you accidentally deleted it?