Rumour: Xbox Exclusive Redfall Could Be Next In Line For A Delay

I mean that’s fine. Halo is keeping me occupied and this last fall created a solid backlog for me. Just make sure it’s done right when it comes out.

Not good at all. Considering Stalker 2 has been delayed and now Redfall might be delayed as well, we're looking at basically nothing in terms of major exclusives on Xbox for the first 10 months of 2022. This will definitely hurt Game Pass unless Microsoft is able to make deals with third-party studios to release more games on the service that will replace them.

Rather a delay than a wonky release.
That said if this slips that doesn't paint a pretty picture for releases this year on the Xbox first party side of things.
With a Redfall delay that would leave just Starfield at the end of the year, and even that could have a delay too.
Now would be a good time for a surprise announcement for 2022 Microsoft...

That's not good. That means there's no first party exclusives for the first 10 months of the year and if Starfield gets delayed then you'll have nothing this year at all.

This could really hurt all the momentum they built last year. Xbox Needs at least 2 first party exclusives this year. We could still see some surprise announcements at E3

Microsoft you really need to sort yourself out.
This means year 2 of Xbox will have no big exclusives until we get to November December
And that is if Starfield makes it.
Now I’m not to fussed as dying light 2 is out soon.

I know people have been critical that Microsoft ONLY seems to release its big exclusives in the holiday season but this time it’s def not their fault. Redfall, starfield, and stalker 2 all for the holidays.

Stalker 2 isn’t MS. They have no control.

@LtSarge I think MS will have to make deals with third-party studios to release their games on Game Pass day one if this is true. I’m expecting Starfield to be delayed to around March 2023, I’d be surprised if it releases this November.

@Dezzy70 What do you mean year 2 without big exclusives for Xbox? Halo Infinite, Forza Horizon 5 and Flight Simulator (don’t care that you think it’s a niche game) released last year, okay only three games but Xbox made up for it by putting a lot of third-party games on Game Pass day one. What big exclusives did Sony release last year? Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart and Returnal, wow two whole games.

@MaccaMUFC Agreed, or at least add some heavy-hitters like they've done with Mass Effect and Hitman this month. I don't know how long it takes for deals to be made with regards to Game Pass, but there's definitely a high likelihood that we won't get as many compelling games during those months compared to the rest of the year, and that's also bad.

@MaccaMUFC
Calm down I mean year 2022 not 2021
And did I even mention the Sony in my text.
And I even put I’m not fussed as dying light 2 is out soon.
I could not have been more mellow really 🙄

@MaccaMUFC
And just for fun, keep it calm I know you not used to being 7th in the premier league.

This Year seems to turn from Xbox has many exclusives to none at all very quickly. If Stafield gets delayed too Playstation will destroy Xbox in 2022. Welp, gotta wait for 2023 then I guess?

@Medic_Alert
Those are my thoughts exactly, Xbox in the end did well this year sales wise especially USA and UK and even the EUROPE the ratio was below 2:1 in console sales at times and FH5 and Halo helped this, exclusives sell consoles a lot of time.
The other 2 seem to have a big 2022 year ahead games wise exclusives.
So the good ground Xbox has made so far could all turn on its head in 2022 and will probably go backwards unfortunately.
They need 2 very very good exclusives in 2022 to keep momentum. They need to manage their game development and studios to perfection.

People need to call the F down. It’s been reported that Starfield is already in the bag and just being polished up. So I don’t see that slipping. And so this slips to the fall? Still got two big games and frankly Starfield is the main game I’m looking forward to all year on any system.

Plus GamePass needs more heavy hitters?!? Look at this month alone and it’s only January. GP will deliver like it has been since the Series X launch.

To be honest it's not a Biggie for me if the big titles get delayed to get them right ,I would hate to see another cyberpunk situation and thanx to game pass my games list is just getting bigger and bigger anyway then there is the games I purchase ,it's not as if Ive got nothing to play while they make it great

@JudaiMasters
Being honest Microsoft leave them themselves open to this, the money and power they have they should have forward planned 2022 cut some clever deals etc, we have had Covid for 2 years now as well so critical risk management should have taken place about 6 months into covid at the latest.

@Dezzy70 I didn’t mean to come across as aggressive, I suppose I got too excited as I rarely get to put my point across when I know I’m right till you corrected yourself lol Xbox should of made deal to put Dying Light 2 on Game Pass day one as that’s the only game outside Game Pass that I’m looking forward to.

As for United, let’s see how they get on tonight. If it doesn’t go our way then I’ll be going silent for the rest of the weekend or I’d risk being banned on here taking it out on everybody 😂

Now dying light 2 on game pass sounds amazing it will save me £50 for sure.

Well you only playing Villa so you should win really and go up into 6th place.
I went Old Trafford once for football 1985 you beat us 4-2 FA CUP 6th round and that you went onto win the FA CUP that year.

@mousieone I get what you are saying that the devs are not owned by MS... But I do have a feeling that they had to ask for more time, and most likely more money to finish the game up properly. We have all heard that Jeff Grub has said multiple times that MS has Billions set aside for Game Pass game acquisitions.

I am with a lot of people rooting for a dying light 2 to be added to GP day 1. That would for sure make up a lot to me knowing as of now their are no exclusives besides Tunic.

As for Red Fall... They only kinda even had mentioned a released date as, "Coming This Summer". I suggest to them if they are about to delay that game, to give another broad time frame for the new release window and not lock down a set date. That will help keep the pressure off the team and the expectations a tad bit lower for the players.

@somnambulance How were those exclusives “simply not compatible” to what Sony had last year? What did Sony have? Rachet and Clank? ALL three of Microsoft’s exclusives were among the top rated of the year. Plus Psychonauts 2 was a first party game. I don’t think MS could have even asked for a better year.

I speak this as some who owns a PS5 and love it as well. But I spent 90% of my time on Xbox.

I look at the day one launches on GP this month and wonder why I spend money on games at all.

I feel like I’m on Push Square right now, lol. Actually I take that back, it’s friendlier to Xbox people over there.

@Medic_Alert
I hope so I do like big AAA games.
Also to keep momentum up and create a strong competitive environment.

@Medic_Alert The bigger issue is that Sony could potentially steal the spotlight from Microsoft this year if they went ahead and launched their Game Pass competitor in the next couple of months. With no exclusives on Xbox, there's a chance people will turn to PlayStation Game Pass instead. I feel like this year will be more critical to Microsoft than we might think.

Obviously we still don't know anything about what Sony's service will actually be like, but the possibility is still there. Up until now, Microsoft really hasn't been met with that much competition in terms of game subscription services and the momentum for Game Pass has been good. But that could all change now that there are less exclusives coming out and more competition on the market.

It will just be a repeat of 2021 again.
PS5 will dominate the first 6 months and Xbox will come out swinging for the final 6 months.

The biggest issue for Xbox this time around is the question mark of PlayStation's Game Pass rival.
If PlayStation have a serious rival and not just a slightly improved PS Now, then Xbox could find themselves losing a huge selling point, especially for the first 6 months when they have no day one exclusives hitting the service.

If it means the game will be better and it means less crunch for the Devs then I think it's fine.

@LtSarge A Sony GP competitor isn't going to feature day one first-party exclusives, so I don't think they'll be in any better a position than Microsoft currently is with these delays. And the higher-end devices are still vanishing the instant they hit the market, so Sony isn't really going to be dramatically pulling away in terms of hardware sales, either.

Sony and Nintendo will absolutely be stealing attention this year with their big first-party exclusives, but it won't really matter in terms of the larger picture.

@LtSarge I think stealing the spotlight would probably happen anyway with horizon and god of war coming. But I think this last year proved MS is on the upswing and at this point, not in danger of completely floundering. If I’m not desperate for MS to “take the crown” so to speak and am simply excited about the future of Xbox, I’m feeling pretty good moving forward. Within a couple years PS will easily be outselling Xbox by millions, but Xbox will also be doing better than ever with both sales and game offerings.

@Ralizah @Medic_Alert Oh no, I definitely don't think Sony will add first-party games day one on its service. But I mean, imagine if PlayStation Game Pass came out next month and Sony advertised it as a €10/month service where you can play titles such as God of War, Spider-Man, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted, The Last of Us and all these great PlayStation exclusives. Because we all know that that Sony excels over Microsoft when it comes to high-quality first-party exclusives and if they play their cards right, they can march right into Microsoft's territory and claim a lot of ground that has taken years for Microsoft to get. It's all about the timing I think, and with less exclusives coming out on Xbox the coming months, the timing is great for Sony.

@xMightyMatt14x I agree, but it's all about keeping the momentum going. Microsoft has said that they want to release at least one exclusive on Game Pass every quarter and it was looking like that was going to be the case this year, but not anymore. It's important to release exclusives on a regular basis in order to keep people subscribed to Game Pass. Otherwise the consumer will just choose another service that has more exclusives, even if they aren't being released day one (i.e. Sony).

@Stoned_Patrol Tunic isn’t their only indie exclusive. Nobody Saves the World and RPG Time are also exclusive. One of which is due on int a couple days. I don’t really talk about indies because they are smaller projects minus Stalker which big.

While I agree with most of what you said; I don’t think the Stalker 2 devs need to ask MS to delay their game. And I would assume that extra cash would mean more exclusivity time which I don’t know if they want.

Why do you guys care about Xbox "losing ground" to Playstation in 2022? Same with some people cheering when MS released Forza 5 and Halo Infinite in November/December and Playstation had nothing. You can't realistically expect no drought periods with games on either platform in this day and age. As for me, I've got a backlog of games that'll last me till 2023 so I'm good either way. Let them take their time and realease an almost complete game (no game releases complete nowadays).

Devs probably saw the lukewarm reception anacrusis received, thought theirs was similar or close in "early access" progress, so decided to delay. Im fine. Plenty of games. Better done right, etc.

@gollumb82 I think people forget MS strategy is Gamepass. While I know Sony is planning something to go with that. MS built the first year of the Series life on the back of the subscription. I know of quite a number of day 1 exclusives going into the service and the recent Hitman game made a huge splash.

Of course, they will need content to feed the subscription; it doesn’t need to be exclusive.

@Medic_Alert Well one argument is that it's much easier to sample these games if you have access to all of them through a service instead of having to buy them individually, even if they're cheap. But that's just one aspect of the service. If they add PS1, PS2 and PS3 games as well then they can attract even more subscribers. And who knows what else they might add. Microsoft likes to add perks such as Crunchyroll and Disney+ to Game Pass, and considering Sony now owns Crunchyroll they can just bundle it in with their Game Pass service.

Also, not all PS exclusives are available in the PS+ Collection. Horizon Zero Dawn, Spider-Man, Shadow of the Colossus, The Last of Us Part II and more aren't on there.

I definitely think this will have an impact on Microsoft because they're in the same market. Like I said before, Microsoft hasn't had much competition against Game Pass and the only company that's able to give them a proper run for their money is Sony.

I hope the delay will fix the woke and the L4D clone vibes. But somehow I doubt it. In any case, I don't really care if Microsoft is publishing the games, as long as i get a steady drip of good day-ones in GP.

@somnambulance Well, I liked those games for PS5 as well but as far as game time, for me it was the complete opposite. With the likes of Forza Horizon 5, Flight Simulator, Psychonauts 2 (which I played on my Series X even just because there technically was no PS5 version), timed exclusives like Death’s Door, and then day one GamePass releases (including Sony’s own The Show), I played my Xbox 80-90% of the time over my PS5. But you do you.

@Medic_Alert
Fair enough. I understand your approach here and I agree it's only for the best in terms of competition. As long as it's not a fanboy thing I can get behind that 😉

I'm sure Redfall and Starfield are not the only triple-A titles Xbox Game Studios had planned for 2022. I guess either Forza Motorsport, Hellblade 2 or both might release this year.

Whats great about xbox is that if their exclusives are pushed back they can still stay afloat by putting some cash down for a big hitter to be added to gamepass to hold people over.
Personally I dont care if games are pushed back. Rather have games released when they're done.

Well this isn't looking good for xbox this year, first the STALKER 2 delay (which isn't an exclusive anyway), no gameplay for starfield which could mean an inevitable delay and if not then its still releasing at the end of the year, and also now a rumoured redfall delay to the end of the year.
So that's nothing confirmed for the first 10 months of this year in terms of big AAA exclusives whilst sony and nintendo have quite a few plus Sony's rebranding of ps now which we know nothing about it so far so it could have day one exclusives.

The momentum was strong with xbox during the second half of last year and they really needed to keep it going this year, they need to fill the gap with some third party AAA gamepass releases and not just AA, left for dead clones and indies galore.

@UltimateOtaku91 Arguably the two biggest third party AAA of January, Hitman Trilogy and Rainbow Six Extraction, are on GamePass day one so I’d say that angle is off to a great start.

@awp69 well I'm happy with the hitman trilogy but not so much extraction, I'm bored of these 4 player Co op games that are all trying to be left 4 dead and I understand that gamepass is great for keeping up the player base and that's why they are wanting to be on gamepass, I would of much preferred ubisoft added valhalla or far cry 6. Dying light and elden ring are probably the two biggest AAA "single player" games coming next month so should try and get those as well. Gamepass doesn't have to be multiplayer focused.

As you can tell, I prefer single player experiences

I know it’s not exclusive but don’t forget Game Pass should be getting Deathloop this year.

It's ok. Nintendo fans are used to only getting new games on December. Why not Xbox too? Works well, Sony never releases in December...

Plus I'm not interested much in Borderlands: Buffy so far at least until we see more. Death Loop is definitely the Arkane classic game say the moment.

@MaccaMUFC that two whole games killed me lmfao.
@Dezzy70 what a comeback as well, I know Utd showed Villa today what's up

Redfall was stated for 2022!? All we’ve seen is a completely cringe worthy CGI trailer that did nothing to sell the game apart from having Arkanes name slapped on it.

I have to echo some opinions here, this year is looking pretty barren on the Xbox side. I’m not that bothered, but I can see why that’s a big deal for some people. Then again I don’t think it looks that great on the other side either.

@Cherip-the-Ripper
Man Utd let that game slip by, still 7th.
You need Sir Alex back.

This is fine, I've still got about 50 xbox 360 games im boosting to finish anyway, alongside my ps3 4 and 5 collection.

@Fenbops horizon is gonna be good on ps, I expect that ragnarok will slip to 2023 though. Either Xbox or PS side are going to suffer delays and I expect titles earmarked for 2023 like Pragmata, to slip to 2024

For me it's okay if this delay means a better game in the end. Also, Gamepass keeps increasing my backlog so it's not like I've got nothing to play BUT...exclusives are very very important to bring and keep players at your system, even more when Sony and Nintendo have great titles coming this year.

I've been interested in this game since the first sneak peak dropped but thinking it'll get a 2022 release is highly optimistic. Would love to be proven wrong but this feels like one of those games like Bayonetta 3 where an announcement was made early to try and keep momentum going for the system. One of those, 'look what we have on the way for you soon' type of deals, eventhough we all know 'soon' means at least 2 1/2-3 years away.

@Fenbops I expect both Ms and Sony will have a surprise or two for 2022. Hfw is a delayed 2021 game, technically so is Ragnarok (and Cory has a comment that sounded like it may or may not not be 2022, it's done when it's done)... But other than that and GT7 which is less interesting to multiplatform players since we'll no doubt get FM8 sooner than later, that's all we know from them. I bet there's something more. Same for Ms, with a thin lineup of this (maybe) and star field (maybe). But I'm sure they have surprises. One of them probably being FM8. They have literally no serious racer for sale ATM, Sony will have gt this year. I can't see them going to holiday 22 without a new motorsport.

@NEStalgia It's actually crazy to think that the last Forza Motorsport came out in 2017, almost five years ago. What has Turn 10 been up to all this time? Each FM game has only taken two years to develop, so for the newest one to take more than twice that long is weird. It better turn out to be the most revolutionary racing sim the world has ever seen, lol.

@LtSarge I figure it's mostly a business reason. Same as why Pikmin 4 has been finished for 8 years and still not released. Turn 10 is involved in Horizon as well, and they do the Forzatech engine, so they've been busy with that for Horizon (and maybe Fable?) But I'm guessing the actual FM8 has been done or mostly done for a while, but they're holding off, waiting for Sony to release GT7 so they can go last and get the benefit of being the "newer" game and avoid Sony gaining a meaningful marketing foothold in a genre MS depends on.

Either that or Turn 10 has been working on Halo coop 😆

But there isn't a practical reason T10 doesn't have a new motorsport in 5 years and playground has a much bigger fh5 in 3 years to the point that they don't have a motorsport to sell, or on game pass at all, other than the business explanation that they're timing out around the competition.

Ms and Sony don't go direct competitive often, even in hardware, but GT/FM is arguably the only direct competition they do share.

@Chaudy the second AAA exclusive could very well be forza, and of course starfield and possible redfall at the end of the year, that's not too bad a trio.
There's also stuff like plaques tale 2, extraction, atomic hearts, nobody saves the world, stalker 2, death loop etc for game pass.
It's not as good a lineup as ps or Nintendo but I don't think it's catastrophic personally, just a little quiet in the first half much like last year.

@NEStalgia we’ll see. My most anticipated game this year is A Plague Tale 2 and that’s hitting Gamepass day 1 even thought it’s multiplat. On the Sony side I’m looking forward to Sifu more than their triple A offerings, other than that I’ll be waiting for price drops.

@somnambulance definitely understand your points but you may be underestimating the amount of games available to Xbox owners on gamepass - it instantly gives you a massive backlog to play if you have missed any great games over the last decade. I agree that we are yet to see the full power of the X console but play bc games at 60 fps while xbox studio games continue to get extra polish is a great trade-off

Awesome. Let’s just not have exclusives this year.

Please delay this. Put anything into it to make it better than Aliens Fireteam Elite, and especially The Anacrusis. What a turd that is.

If it needs to be delayed than that's fine by me. I'm interested in this one, and I'd rather it be released 4-6 months later than being pushed out of the door unfinished, and then need to wait 6-8 months for post-release patches.

Plenty more games for me to play in the meantime.

@NEStalgia @LtSarge Given it's just called "Forza Motorsport" rather than "Forza Motorsport 8", I'd guess the groundwork is being laid for a game that'll be supported the whole Series X|S generation rather than a new entry appearing every few years and be delisted after 4 years.

Sony seems to have a different licensing setup for Gran Turismo where each game is delisted 5 months after the next game releases.

So do people want rushed releases like Cyberpunk now? Xbox released Flight Simulator, Psychonauts 2 (recent acquisition, it's also on PS4 but not on PS5), Halo Infinite and Forza Horizon 5 in 2021. Those are four of the best-rated games of the year. Nintendo haven't released a AAA game in years. They take forever to make a new Mario or Zelda game. Where's Pikmin 4? Metroid Prime 4? Switch doesn't even have an exclusive Zelda or Mario Kart yet! Sony released two games in 2021, a somewhat divisive Returnal and Ratchet & Clank, which is worse than the PS4 game. Yes, they have more and better for 2022 than for 2021 but that doesn't mean that it will destroy Xbox or Game Pass.

To question Game Pass when it's packed with first and third-party AAA games, when the two biggest third-party AAA of January, Hitman Trilogy and Rainbow Six Extraction, join day one with many others like A Plague Tale: Requiem to follow... Also, Deathloop is almost here to stay (as a late acquisition) and likely Forza Motorsport and Starfield will launch this year.

For those "worried" about Series X/S. PS5 shipped 13.4 million as of September 30, 2021 and Series X/S shipped over 12 million as of January 11, 2022. Not to mention that they also serve on Windows and Cloud on day one so they don't depend on consoles as much. This generation is more Xbox 360 than Xbox One for Microsoft.

Every company has drought periods. Nintendo have a semi-permanent drought since they released Switch. Sony have droughts since the PS4 released (nothing in the first year) and on PS5 (most games delayed) because their studios take a very long time to release games and they don't have that many studios.

@LtSarge "Because we all know that Sony excels over Microsoft when it comes to high-quality first-party".

That's your subjective opinion, not what everybody "knows". I couldn't disagree more, in between. Like @Medic_Alert said, Sony's games are usually play once and move on. Except for a few ones, they aren't big sellers either. PS4 was so successful because of the casual crowd, the cheaper price and Xbox One messing launch up. Most people play FIFA, Call of Duty, GTA, Fortnite on PS4. Someone posted the most popular games on PS5 on one of these threads and nothing has changed. About the quality of Sony's games, production values are usually excellent but the gameplay is rough, mediocre at best. I say this as a PS4 owner that was told that the Last of Us was better than Resident Evil and Uncharted better than Tomb Raider. They aren't. People interested in these Sony exclusives have already played them and they might be more interested in the Windows version if it's technically superior than in the same console version years later as part of an upcoming subscription service that won't be as generous as Game Pass. Just look at PS5 software pricing and upgrade fees and the pathetic selection of first-party games on PS Now.

@Grumblevolcano Maybe. It's better than getting Forza Motorsport 8: Deluxe half a gen later, lol. Then again GT tried escaping numbers with Sport and it didn't do it any favors. It would be nice to move on from the whole 4 year desisting thing. Forza has had, literally, the worst licensing deal in the history of gaming since it's inception, and I have no idea how they negotiated anything that badly. Who boxes themselves in with a video game you can only sell for 4 years when you have generations that run 7+?

But it's still awkward that they have no entry of one of their 4 flagship franchises to sell at all right now, and the competitor is launching theirs. I still wouldn't doubt FM8/FM8D/whatever is in the can and waiting for GT to release first.

@NEStalgia Yep, I'd rather see numbers or an additional word for history clearness. Killer Instinct 3 is Killer Instinct. If the rumoured "reboot" is true, Killer Instinct 4 will also be Killer Instinct. So there will be four Killer Instinct games (Gold is a port of 2) and three of them are called Killer Instinct. Ridiculous.

I agree about Forza Motorsport, Microsoft need better licence deals for Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon.

@Banjo- Surface Pro (2017)

I'd like to think MS learned their lesson. But it's MS and naming....that's unlikely....

@mousieone
Sorry I know it has been a while since you made your comment reply towards me. All I really wanted to say is that even if the Stalker 2 devs did ask MS for more money (because they obviously did have to get more time to finish the game). You said something like, "more money would be more time being exclusive (on the Xbox)".
And that is not how the deal is or would work. Games can have a projected time to be complete, and sometimes the corporate side of game studios will stand by that date no matter if a game is done or not and just expect to push out a patch that will hopefully finish a game or polish out the bugs... which never seems to work out as smoothly as hoped for haha.
But the exclusivity time for Stalker 2 was agreed on when they first struck the deal with MS. It is only going to be a 3 month exclusive. That feels like way too short of a exclusivity window honestly. Sony fan boys will be mocking that they will just get the game in a couple of months and that it is not a Xbox game (which yes it is not an Xbox game, but the reason a platform invests in a game and makes a deal for exclusivity is to market a game and make it seem like it is exclusive. That is the hope anyways)
I wish Xbox would have gotten to make it like a 6 month exclusive for giving the studio such a big push back in release dae and more money. Looking forward to hearing the deloper drama when this game finally does make it out.

@Stoned_Patrol with all due respect, I don’t think you understand business. Money is as much of a contract term as the exclusivity agreement. MS agrees to x amount of dollars for x amount of exclusivity. They aren’t a bank that you can just get more money out of the ATM. Not to mention, if one side fails on their obligation, that leaves plenty of room for a “contract renegotiation” i.e. being unable to put the game out. No they can’t just ask for more money.

If you don’t believe me look up contract renegotiation.

@mousieone LoL I am not a complete *****, ou aren't schooling anyone with that comment. The game was delayed 8 months roughly... I would imagine having a studio running in full production for 8 months would cost some money right? So mabe the studio themselves are the ones eating that cost, obviously Xbox is not funding the entire cost of production because they literally only have a 3 month exclusivity of Stalker 2.

From what I am getting from you, you think that Xbox is going to get the game exclusive for longer now that the game was pushed back? Maybe we are just miss understanding each other... But yeah their is no way the length of exclusivity changes for Stalker 2 now

@Stoned_Patrol you might check yourself before spewing out whatever that was. I was respectful towards you and you came back at me with vile. I will choose to ignore that for now.

No, I said if the Stalker 2 devs wants more money to finish the project from MS that might include more exclusivity. I say this because the original amount they got only included so much exclusivity. Asking for more money would more than likely require a contract renegotiation or a new one. The original contract only included so much money. Getting more means more concessions. That’s how that works.

Now they could continue to delay the game, not try to get more money from MS, then put it out later. The same exclusivity rules would apply. Like right now no matter when the game releases, all rules are the same. But asking for more money more than likely isn’t an option if they don’t want to extend more exclusivity to Xbox.