Rare's Everwild Is 'Unlike Any Other Game That's Ever Been Made'

Definitely very interested. It was one of the highlights of the July showcase for me.

Oh Greenberg at it again "Unlike any other game that has been made" that puts too much hype and pressure on their team. Poor marketing.

I am sure it will be a great game Sea of Thieves is awesome. But unless they plan on making up a new genre thats a bad comment!

@Jaxx420

Yea Greenberg drives me nuts. 🙄 I love his enthusiasm, but whoa whoa whoa buddy. Lol.

The game has me super intrigued & I hope it turns out to be fantastic. But I hope Greenberg didn’t put too much hype on the game.

@Jaxx420
Totally agree, Microsoft’s PR suits for sort of next generation have been bad and hypocritical and mixed message sending.
They should learn from Nintendo and Sony and keep it quiet and cool.
He should have just said this is a great new IP with full artistic development with Rare and we look forward to showing you more soon.

Though I’m looking forward to the game but it would help if I new my role in the game and what I had to do. Time will tell.

"what is it about?" is a pretty straightforward question that they seem reluctant to answer in a straightforward way. it's becoming annoying.

Unlike anything before.... Hmm, that poses more questions than answers for sure..
I want to look forward to it, but it's quite hard when I don't know much about it...

"unlike anything before"

I'll hold you to that, I bought a Quest because I wanted "new"

@Dezzy70 I wouldn't generalise to all suits. Sometimes Phil Spencer overhypes just a tad, but he's come from being an intern at MS to where he is now, he is mega-passionate about their products, can be forgiven for overhyping a little as he's so personally invested in it.

Greenberg just goes a bit too pot and kettle on everything.

@KelticDevil Intention is there, he's trying to take pressure off the team's comments but at the same time has possibly put more on in the process with that one-liner. Standard Greenberg lol

Can't wait to see gameplay..

"Unlike every other game, ours hasn't been made!"

I think this game is going to be a masterpiece

@roe That is what I was thinking! I want more details!

I love how Microsoft is just letting their teams make whatever they want. It sure wasn’t like that in the awful Mattrick era.

But sometimes giving artists free reign can lead to some pretentious nonsense. Look at some of Kojima’s stuff on PlayStation with the MGS series. Or countless movies over the years.

It’s a bit concerning that we have seen the game twice now & they still haven’t shown what we do in the game. I have high hopes & am very intrigued, but Greenberg needs to calm down a bit. Lol!!

I still get the feeling this is "pretentious arthouse for the sake of arthouse." This is what happens when you give "creatives" money and let them run loose. You get "art". Unfocused "art" that makes sense to artists and little to anyone else. Seems like a game designed in an "environment" and "feelings" without actual goals and objectives.

Every time I see this I think it's a Sony game. They're the ones I associate with the "games without actual purpose or goals but are arty, for artsy people" kind of genres. Maybe it's good for MS to be able to counter Sony dominance in that genre, though I've never got the impression those were great sellers.

For me, this was the low point of the presentation. O'Connor going on in circles without actually saying anything was ripped right out of The Magic Circle.

@KelticDevil
Sorry not on subject but wanted opinions.
Xbox are promoting cross generations, thank you Xbox.
But five months before release of series x they stop selling Xbox one x. Leaving a massive void for the competition to pick away at.
I know a good few people that want an Xbox one x now and not wanting to wait 5 months to get into Xbox. I sold one of my one x to one of them, who has joined game pass and purchased another controller, commission please Microsoft for doing your job 🤣.
None them want a one s. To under powered for their 4K TVs etc, that makes sense.
So if you are promoting cross generations why the hell lose out in sales of the Xbox one x, leave you self open to the competition for 5 months, with nothing to really sell to the gaming public. Even shops internet pages are less and less in Xbox due to this.
And the excuse of Covid and bringing in a new generation manufacturing etc is no dam excuse. Your competition are still sell rather well their current generation 2 consoles, probably helped by Xbox one x discontinued and they are also releasing a next generation console and are not doing cross generations.
Microsoft you seem to send out confusing messages, with words going one way and common sense business going another.

@Jaxx420
Sorry not on subject but wanted opinions.
Xbox are promoting cross generations, thank you Xbox.
But five months before release of series x they stop selling Xbox one x. Leaving a massive void for the competition to pick away at.
I know a good few people that want an Xbox one x now and not wanting to wait 5 months to get into Xbox. I sold one of my one x to one of them, who has joined game pass and purchased another controller, commission please Microsoft for doing your job 🤣.
None them want a one s. To under powered for their 4K TVs etc, that makes sense.
So if you are promoting cross generations why the hell lose out in sales of the Xbox one x, leave you self open to the competition for 5 months, with nothing to really sell to the gaming public. Even shops internet pages are less and less in Xbox due to this.
And the excuse of Covid and bringing in a new generation manufacturing etc is no dam excuse. Your competition are still sell rather well their current generation 2 consoles, probably helped by Xbox one x discontinued and they are also releasing a next generation console and are not doing cross generations.
Microsoft you seem to send out confusing messages, with words going one way and common sense business going another.

Before anyone says Microsoft are not into selling consoles think this.
If they sold 100 million consoles that where people new to Xbox and 50 million half subscribed to game pass and purchased controllers etc, that is serious money and subscriptions right there.

@Dezzy70 I would include @BlueOcean and @Tharsman on this. We dont always agree with each other but both them and @KelticDevil have intelligent views on Xbox. More so than I do so may be better suited to advise.

Maybe it's the second Strand type game.

@Dezzy70

I do agree it was odd that they killed off the Xbox One X so soon. But I think it was bc of the possible naming confusion with Series X & them just wanting to completely put the Xbox One generation behind them.

You are right, though. It leaves with with 5 months of just the Xbox One S out there in the wild. I have the S and love it. My backlog is huge, so the S works perfect for me.....for now. I still have an 1080p TV, so the 4k thing is not a problem for me.

I plan on buying a new 4k TV before I get the Series X. And with Game Pass & my physical backlog.....games, games, games.

@Dezzy70 "But five months before release of series x they stop selling Xbox one x."
Preemptive apology for the huge wall of text:

The first year or two of any game console tends to be loaded with games that started production in the previous generation. Sometimes, these games actually get released for both generations (very famously, Nintendo has done that at least twice: Breath of the Wild and Twilight Princess.)

But for the most part, developers want to force players into buying the new hardware so they make these games, that could had easily worked on the previous gen, exclusive to the next gen. This, however, has always come with an odd side effect: hardware sales for current gen consoles tend to slow down to a crawl on that final year.

What Microsoft decided to do to combat this was not just release their in-development games for both consoles, but also make the same disk give you access to both versions of the game. This is a bit of guesswork, but only a bit. The first thing Microsoft did when they announced this tactic, was to reassure consumers that should they buy an Xbox one X or an Xbox One S between then and Series X launch, not only would they continue to get first party games, but also have those same game copies upgrade whenever they decided to upgrade to Series X.

This is good for consumers, and it is also good for Microsoft as it helps them get rid of all the already manufactured consoles by the time the Series X is released. I dare bet MS also prepared by shutting down manufacturing of One X units very early this year. Likely the last batch of produced One X consoles were the Cyberpunk units.

What no one expected was the pandemic, lockdown, and drastic boost on console sales, increasing the rate that inventory sold at, and selling out way ahead of the release of the Series X. I dare bet in their original plans, they would still have a few One X units in stock post launch of the Series X. At this point, its likely re-opening manufacturing is not an option. The assembly lines are likely already dismantled, and even with the current demand there is no warrantee they would be able to sell through all newly produced units. No company want to be stuck with unsold obsolete inventory. Just to clarify: I doubt Microsoft is having trouble manufacturing new One X units due to Covid, they simply had planned to stop production, dismantled their assembly lines, and then had an impossible to predict sales surge.

That can suck for someone that wants to join the Xbox ecosystem today, you would have to settle for an One S. Mind that this is not only true for Microsoft, the PS4 Pro is also nearly impossible to get your hands on. I am sure that unit also halted production already. Sony tends to be a lot more opaque of a company, so I doubt they will tell us anytime soon.

At this time, anyone that wants to jump into either console for a One X or Pro unit, I would say their best odds are to seek through second hand markets like eBay.

@Jaxx420

Thx for the compliment. 👍🏻 I do have my moments of insanity (Mattrick era), but I do love my Xboxes since the OG Xbox came out many years ago. Lol.

OK Now on topic....

I am too old and cynic to take any "unlike any other game that's ever been made" seriously. Peter Molyneux trained me well enough to entirely ignore such absolute extremes. He also showed me that despite disappointment, those over-promised did nothing to impact the sales of the games. Average consumers don't follow these statements.

I think we can tell a few things from what we have been shown on Everwilld:
*This game has to be open world, there is no way what we seen makes sense in a level-based game. Hard zone lines are a possibility, but that not unheard of in open world fantasy games.
*It is beautiful and has fantastic animation

Will there be a story? Will there even be combat? Be sandbox? we just are forest farmers with beasts instead of tractors? who knows, whatever this ends up being, I want to play it. Even if it's just Fantasy Farmer Sim 2022.

@KelticDevil
A top end 4K tv with a one x really does make a difference. I would try not to game at below 4K unless I have to, which being honest some Pro stuff is but they do a very good job of false 4K and make up for it with graphical detail.

@KelticDevil No worries 😁 I got an OG Xbox too and have been multiplat ever since but you guys have been on this site longer than me.

Id like to think my views are on point but I think with a topic like that Im not as invested in the platform to advise. Not in terms of One X sales anyway. I went from a launch Xbox One and skipped to an X so never invested in the One S.

@Dezzy70 I'd say @Tharsman nailed it. I doubt they expected to run out of 1X's in the warehouse before Christmas, but sales went nuts in March leading Switch to look like the first 6 months again, the remaining X's sold out and even PS4 stock fluctuating. They did probably halt 1X production in January. The way manufacturing works today, few companies have dedicated factories. Machinery and equipment companies do, but not consumer products or technology, for the most part. You just lease time to produce a specific sized batch at a factory in China. So you contract them for say 5 weeks thrice a year to produce batches of, say, 200,000 units. Maybe the minimum order is 50,000 units but the per-unit cost is much higher if going smaller. If they calculated well the probably did a production run in December designed to last based on expected sales until next December, and then disposed of all the tooling required to make it and ended the contract with the rent-a-factory (or retained the contract with new tooling to start the run-up to production and convert the line for Series X.) They probably had a specific amount of, say, vapor chambers sitting on pallets that they had to use up.....producing more would mean buying more minimum quantities of those, too. Basically once you plan to wind down production, a decision that would have been made a year ago, you line up all your parts ordering and inventory, to match the expected last production, which you line up to match what you expect to sell by the time you need to free up the warehousing.

The plan was likely: Keep selling 1X through October. Blow them out at budget pricing in November/December along side SeX. Then March happened and everything sold out in 2 weeks. But they can't make more. They already used their parts inventory and ended the contract, the tooling was probably already recycled, back in January, and the same line was probably cranking out parts for XSeX by then (or totally shuttered if it was in Hubei.....)

That does leave an unfortunate 5 month gap with nothing to sell... But it's not something they can really fix. It was an unexpected sales boom that wiped out inventory that was expected to be sitting around and selling on Ebay come January.

Now, why still sell 1S? Because 1S is a "last gen" budget SKU for the budget shoppers that buy the last gen consoles. There's a lower tier market for that, and every company keeps selling the last gen model or a cut down version (Wii Mini, PS3 Super Slim (that thing was terribly made, BTW) for that budget market.

Why not still sell 1X too? It was a $300-400 console and if we believe the rumor mills that places it right around the price point of the budget XSeX model....meaning it was redundant. Nobody would buy a 1X when for roughly the same money you could buy the rumored 1080p XSeX. Can't sell a premium version of a last gen console for the same price as the budget version of the "next gen" console. And they cost too much to make to cut the price much more....so it just makes sense to sell people the (rumored) lower end Series X instead.

But....that 5 month gap.

@Jaxx420

Yea you have some great views & it’s nice to have people like you in the Xbox & Pure Xbox community. 👍🏻

As Xbox fans, we don’t always agree on stuff, but you always have great points & keep it civil (which I lack at the last point sometimes. Lol), which is great!

Edit - spelling errors. Damn iPhone! Lol.

@NEStalgia
Agree with your words and opinion.
And yes the five month gap is not great for business. They are losing out on sales and game pass adoption etc.
More concerning is the internet shop adds are almost making Xbox look like its disappearing not to return.

@Dezzy70 I said others may have more insightful views but you did ask me so I will answer.

I am not sure the competition really will eat at the sales over the next 5 months. Sales for both are now starting to hit that typical stagnation period where gamers know the new ones are on the way.

MS approach is radically different to Sony but I wouldnt say its wrong. They discontinued the One X to avoid point of sale confusion. Telling gamers to pick from 3 4k consoles and on paper one of the new ones having lesser specs than the One X? (I say on paper as it isnt reality) Would get confusing for the average casual gamer in a store no?

Their direction is not wrong its just different, somewhat PC-centric and more about an ecosystem than one individual piece of hardware.

@KelticDevil Hah I do the same when I post on my phone.

Thats the key thing here we keep it civil. Other forums sadly do not.

@Jaxx420
That is a good response thank you.
For me though that direction does not do the studio or the game justice and stretches the studio to thinly. I would have loved 343 to make just a massive open world story Halo for series x only and no multiplayer or nothing else. Instead you can see they are stretched to hell with this five year development poor buggers.
Make it work one Xbox one and series x a bit better and pc and multiplayer this and that and co op and forge and war zone. It will end up a jack of all trades and a master of none.
As where Sony say go make HZD 2 just for the PS5 no multiplayer and focus on a massive beautiful next generation open world story telling game. You may say well that’s just limited single player story, but it will be the master of next generation phase one games in 2021 and will review better and sell more.

@Jaxx420

Very true!

@Dezzy70

Xbox will never release a Halo game without multiplayer. Nor should they. That would be death to them.

Sony makes great single player, 3rd person, story focused action/adventure games. And they let 3rd parties handle the multiplayer games, I guess? But Microsoft can never do that bc of their legacy. Gears of War fans would flip out with no multiplayer. Once again, as they should.

Sony is the king of playing games for 15-20 hours (give or take) and then it sits on your shelf to collect dust. Microsoft offers up both single player & multiplayer games. They just have different strategies.

I’m not saying one is better than the other. They are just different. As consumers, we just have to vote with our wallet.

Me? I prefer Microsoft’s approach with their backwards compatibility, Game Pass, & diversity in their games line-up. Some people may feel differently, obviously.

I sincerely hope this turns out to be good. As a avid Rare fan back in the N64 days, it breaks my heart how rubbish they are now. Rare haven't made a good game since perfect dark on the N64 over 20 years ago. They made great avatars on the the 360 though. Just a shadow company now. We all have to be honest here Nintendo knew when to sell rare. miyamoto knew they were finished as a talent. 250million was a huge price for xbox avatar makers.

@KelticDevil
That cool and it’s good I guess we have choices. Perhaps I’m just a single player story telling gamer, which I guess I am.
Apart from the odd Mario kart on line.
I suppose I just want a Halo like say HZD Or RDR2 massive open world and story in the Halo Universe, setting open world and story standards to new heights and taking full adventure of next generation 12tflop SSD beast, not just a bit of up scaling and clever stuff.
Never mind maybe one day 🤣

@Jaxx420 Thing is @Dezzy70 is being very pessimistic about Xbox lately.

Microsoft discontinued Xbox One X and Xbox One S All-Digital Edition because they didn't expect Xbox One X to be sold out so soon (before similarly branded Series X) and because they still make Xbox One S (as a consumer-friendly decision because it has disc drive and Xbox One SAD doesn't). Let's remember that this year they have sold over 50% more consoles in spite of being Xbox One's last year. That's why Xbox One X is sold out. They still produce Xbox One S because, perhaps, they intend to put xCloud on it.

I don't know about every Microsoft's suit but Phil Spencer is the opposite of a "suit" and nobody at Sony is as good and positive for the brand as he is. Aaron Greenberg is cheekier and a bit reckless but Phil is at the same level as Nintendo's best. He's a gamer and he's pure class.

EDIT: I wrote this before reading @Tharsman and @NEStalgia but I see now that they agree.

@Grot Journey was a letdown for me. I got the collector's edition and I enjoyed Flow and Flower more.

@BlueOcean
I just have the hump because I wanted a true series x next generation Halo built for the last five years for just series x. PC scaling and little tricks no where near make up for a true next generation experience on the beast the series x is. Whilst they have cross generations for the next two years it will be like a generation and a half, not true next generation.
The idea of a next generation consoles or console is to detail and hone in on that consoles power as it is a static target and you are developing for that power alone.
Anyway let them continue for the next two years with cross generations, PC etc etc.
Maybe after that we might see the beasts power that the suits go on about.

@Dezzy70 Halo Infinite is a cross-gen game like Twilight Princess, Breath of the Wild or any third-party game of the last to current generation period. You should be happy that Microsoft apparently backtracked and every big first-party game will be Series X-exclusive except Halo Infinite and Flight Simulator. They even updated the games cards and eliminated "Xbox One" from them. Rest assured that Series X will be used at it fullest sooner than anticipated. And please remember that PS5 doesn't have a next-gen game yet, Spider-Man is a PS4 semi-sequel with half the content. Halo Infinite is more than that.

@Jaxx420 @NEStalgia One side effect is that people wanting a powerful Xbox console in 2020 will wait for Series X.

@DavLFC I couldn't disagree more, Rare has made awesome 360 games plus Sea of Thieves on Xbox One and Nintendo took no part in development anyway.

On topic, I can't say much about Everwild even being a Rare fan. I would have preferred a Banjo-Kazooie game after Sea of Thieves but I expect Everwild to be a good game regardless, whatever it is.

@BlueOcean
I don’t have to worry about Sony and their studios and games as time and time again on PS4 they have delivered for me, maybe personal taste. And for me I know HZD 2 will deliver in spades and give me a first phase next generation experience I want in 2021.
Not some half backed cross generations game made for the Xbox one but for next generation.

@Dezzy70 "Not some half backed cross generations game".

Spider-Man is not even that and Horizon 2 won't be ready for 2021. Because you are totally disappointed on Xbox, you should forget about it already and just move to PS5 which is what you really like. That's fine and you'll be happier. No console should give you so much frustration.

@BlueOcean
I have all three consoles and all Xbox since day one so I’m not a fanboy.
Just like said disappointed in the direction Microsoft had taken for next generation.
And correct I will have a PS5 day one.
And for the first time ever in the history of Xbox not an Xbox on day one.
That tells you something from a 50 year old gamer that has been with Xbox since day one on day one with every console of Xbox.
I loved the 360 days, simply the best Xbox has ever been.

@Dezzy70 you are placing too much emphasis on a launch title.

Overall, both consoles long term are going to have an amazing catalogue of games. Your decision to get one at launch should not be decided by the graphics of one title.

Halo has and always will be, about how it plays. Is it a major graphical leap? No. Will it be awesome to play an open-world Halo? Absolutely.

Microsoft haven't misled anyone with this. It is not another Crackdown 3 situation, they will have crafted an amazing world that will attempt to hook back in fans of the older Halo games, no complaints about that.

Sorry not for me next generation Xbox series x. Have all the other Xbox consoles though and on day one. With the not so good Xbox one generation and this cross generations holding back the series x for two years I will wait and see.
I hope they succeed as they had it rough this generation as competition is good for us gamers. But I have a feeling it will be a very similar story to this current generation. Which will probably be enough to keep them going in the business and keep competition going. This generation they messed up with bad DMR decisions and direction and lack of exclusives.
Rather than take a simple straight next generation leap they are messing around again with cross generations etc. They really could have done with a standard simple generation transition and showed the beast and Halo in true real next gen fashion. Even the UK voted 84% in favour of PS5, ok only a survey but there is no smoke without fire. And UK is one of Xbox best counties. And PS5 got that vote due to PS4 exclusives and truest in the brand and studios.

@Dezzy70 "This generation they messed up with bad DMR decision".

What? Microsoft has the best digital rights management of the three. Are you serious?

@Jaxx420 It's a bit weird to predict Xbox's doom in the UK because of a cross-gen launch game but who knows what's wrong with him 😂.

@BlueOcean
I meant at the beginning when they where going to have DRM no lending game’s and always connected to internet. I know they did a 180 but that hurt them long term and with a lack of generation exclusives. As the competition took advantage with no DRM and no always on internet. And showed them how console exclusives should be on a 2tflop console with studios with very extensive talents.
Halo looks not even on par with some of these PS4 exclusive open world games. Even far cry new dawn on Xbox one x looks better. That’s what you get for developing cross generations on a weak Xbox one s.
And miss managing next generation and stretching your studio all over the place with so so much to do.

Like I said you guys are great.
I have the hump with Microsoft’s decisions for cross generations. I wanted that series x Halo open world story only with all the beasts power.

I’m and old fiancée and when I had Halo in the original Xbox my mates would come and play it a go wow, look at this console define for realer game and that generation, gameplay, open environments and very good graphics for that time. Now us old gits wanted that full feeling and experience again with the full series x power but not tarted up a bit because of cross generations.
Even the younger generation who I know as have kids who are avid gamers and are very graphically intense went what the hell its and one game.

All I can say is. I was expecting next generations version of what happened to gods of war this generation on PS4 and Pro.
I now different games but it was truly defining and visually amazing all round and the environments.
You don’t sell a beast of a console for a good price and take your defining game like HALO and go half arsed at it. But that cross generations for you and spreading your poor studio to thinly.

@Dezzy70 In all honesty, and I'm saying this politely and not in a patronising way - you need to relax with it and just enjoy the games.

I get it - you want it to be all singing and all dancing and it isn't and there's some dissapointment there but just sit back and think, it will still be a cracking game to -play- keyword there.

I guarantee you, if you are a Halo fan you will likely enjoy the title.

@Jaxx420
It’s true I do need to relax and thank you for being honest.
I’m just disappointed a-bit about it all.
Will I get a series x and play it. Not sure yet will wait and hopefully see more and better gameplay. But at the moment no, but time will tell. With out going on again, we know what I was wanting and I’m just kicking off because I didn’t get it, not a you good people but at Microsoft.

@BlueOcean I never said Nintendo had a hand in rare development. I'm just saying compared to their n64 heyday. That rare arent one of the big boys anymore. Heck even the upcoming battletoads , used a different developer from themselves!!This much is obvious. Most of their original talented staff made timsplitters all them years ago. Or are working for playtonic making yooka laylee games now. Are you seriously suggesting rare are now the force they once where? Banjo. Conker. Goldeneye. Perfect dark blast, corps, killer instinct , donkey kong, jet force gemini? In the n64 days they were the best in the world.

@DavLFC It would take me 1 hour to answer that properly 😁.

@BlueOcean ????

@DavLFC whens the last time you played a genuinely great Banjo game? Ms have a big hand in Rare development because they have to!. Nintendo would leave them to their own devices. Because at that time rare were actually top tier.

@Jaxx420
Isn't Sea of Thieves its own genre, though? The question is, can they do it again?

@gingataisen No Pirates of the Burning Sea was the first Priate MMO game back in 2008.

So if they were making their own genre it would be a first for them. I dont think it will be though. Just Greenberg being Greenberg. I think it will either be a Breath of the Wild-esque RPG, or another MMO.